EU4 - Development Diary - 21st of April 2016: Meet the Team + 1.17

[Xinkc]

What about upgrading ships? I find it wierd that every time I upgrade a ship they take the old crew out the back and shoot them.

Really? I thought it was normal to treat sailors used to old ships like race horses with broken legs.

But.... native uprisings by penguins with 11 ferocity!

Anyways, I would appreciate it if we could get a DD about why all tech groups have the same ships.

 

[berhaven]

There are IMHO a few things that should be improved/tweaked:

• AI diplomacy should consider the impact of helping a minor ally going to offensive war against a member of trade league lead by another ally just as it does when an ally attack another ally. Or at least have a diplo/reputation malus in doing so.
• The ledger is now somehow dated and unflexible. I would enjoy much more possible chances of analisys.
• The mechanics of diplo relations is worth a rethinking. My view is that a country should have a diplo "points" indicator based on a combination of prestige, legitimacy, power projection and strength. This pool should be spend in creating diplo relations each with a cost based on different actions, and diplo strength of target. In simple words I am not satisfied with the fact that in game terms guarentee to knights has the same relation cost of having alliance, RM and alla accesses with OE.

 

[Paweud]

You sir are a brave man, much braver than I could ever claim to be. I wish you the best of luck.

Isn't she a woman?

 

[FrontLine1111]

So it looks like it will be 1.17 when we are partially given what we bought in Mare Nostrum. I'll believe it when I see it though.

 

[CharlesVvonHabsburg]

Could you please maybe tweak Tuscany/Florence's tradition of papal influence to something more useful, because I find that most of the time either you or the Papal State are going to not like eachother

 

[ChildeR]

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[Demetrios]

Explains a lot, in my campaign (with mods) Sweden's debt went out of control, like crazy.

Here's a quick idea for EU4, how about adding Antarctica.
Antarctica was discovered by James Cook in 1773, which co-inside with EU4 timetable.
Add some interesting events of expeditions as well.

Cook never discovered Antarctica; while he did pass beyond the Antarctic Circle, he never got within 100 miles of the continent due to the sea ice being too dangerous to go forward.

The first authenticated sighting of Antarctica was in 1820, but there are three contenders for that, depending on if they actually saw the continent or just offshore glaciers near the coast.

 

[nuNo!]

Suggestions:
- It would be nice to have some sort of basic filtering in the ledger book. Sometimes I just want to see the status for some competing nations and not every single nation.
- I find it very cumbersome to see how much I am paying for maintenance from a particular province. It would be nice to have a ledger page that would clearly show "how much each province costs me" vs "how much it is generating".
- Can we also have a ledger page that shows how many loans each nations has?
- I can't seem to be able to stop the maritime raids that are plaguing my Mediterranean shore, regardless of how many ships i have hunting for pirates or patrolling.
- The message filtering doesn't seem to be working very well. The nations I set to receive messages from, sometimes they are not displayed.

 

[Lee Saxon]

At least some of that stuff, like the bugs, looks like it really ought to be more of a 1.16.4 than a 1.17. I'm assuming that's not a majority of 1.17...

 

[Trin Tragula]

At least some of that stuff, like the bugs, looks like it really ought to be more of a 1.16.4 than a 1.17. I'm assuming that's not a majority of 1.17...

Every other full patch since i joined here at least has been a bug fix and balance patch for an expansion. Its how its supposed to be and this is too. Thats not the full changelog of course

 

[GenericUser]

What a Somalia unification decision?

 

[CharlesVvonHabsburg]

I have to suggestions for future patches. Maybe change Florence/Tuscany's papal influence tradition and make it so you cant have The Test Act and Declaration of Indulgence Act at the same time, since the things they entail contradict each other.

 

[Gangsta]

i think [the decision to put Hungarian and Romanian in the same group] very offending for both culture. Add finally just once accurate culture group for Hungary, transylvanian ok however that not separate culture they are hungarians, you could add some uralian culture to that and finnish. It would be more accurate to create a hungarian-polish culture group than this current because, as both country had same kings, personal unions and because of long term friendship traditions, folklor music, dress more identical than with any other cultures.

Additionally, really, what the hell romanian culture doing in this game? they not called themself like that at least until the 18-19th century, would be more accurate to call them wallachian-moldavian, yes its possible to form romania in the game, forming that country should change wallachian culture to romanian.

 

[lyk251]

My Suggestions: Change Trade system
- all provinces member of sea trade node is coastal or island .
- only have 2 end node : 1- venice , 2-Chengdu
- important trade node : have 1-2 outgoing , have 4-6 incoming
- other trade node : have 3-4 outgoing , have 3-4 incoming
- change trade routes :
+ all inland trade node (between 2 end node ) prioritize flow from 1 to 2
+ all sea trade node (between 2 end node ) prioritize flow from 2 to 1
- made real demand of trade goods
ex: demand of grain depend on number of land unit , slaves , naval supplies...

 

[TheDungen]

make a dev diary about how many weed you guys consumed until you made a decision that hungarian and romanian will be in same culture group. i think this very offending for both culture. Add finally just once accurate culture group for Hungary, transylvanian ok however that not separate culture they are hungarians, you could add some uralian culture to that and finnish. It would be more accurate to create a hungarian-polish culture group than this current because, as both country had same kings, personal unions and because of long term friendship traditions, folklor music, dress more identical than with any other cultures.

Additionally, really, what the hell romanian culture doing in this game? they not called themself like that at least until the 18-19th century, would be more accurate to call them wallachian-moldavian, yes its possible to form romania in the game, forming that country should change wallachian culture to romanian.

Pretty sure Romanians have never called themselves Vlach, that is a slavic term.
And culture is about more than language. Finnish and Hungarian have nothing in common aside from having a distantly related language.

 

[grommile]

Additionally, really, what the hell romanian culture doing in this game? they not called themself like that at least until the 18-19th century, would be more accurate to call them wallachian-moldavian, yes its possible to form romania in the game, forming that country should change wallachian culture to romanian.

From Wikipedia, with citations to period sources, regarding the ethnonym "Romanian":

Other first-hand evidence about the name Romanians used to call themselves comes from authors having lived in Transylvania and/or Romanian principalities: the Transylvanian Saxon Johann Lebel confirms in 1542 that common Romanians call themselves "Romuini",[9] Orichovius (Stanislaw Orzechowski) notes as late as 1554 that "in their own language, Romanians are called Romini, after the Romans, and Walachs in Polish, after the Italians",[10] Anton Verancsics writes around 1570 that Romanians living in Transylvania, Moldavia and Walachia call themselves Romans (Romanians)[11] and Martinus Szent-Ivany cites in 1699 Romanian expressions: "Sie noi sentem Rumeni" (modern standard Romanian "Și noi suntem români") and "Noi sentem di sange Rumena" (in modern standard Romanian "Noi suntem de sânge român")[12]
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And regarding the toponym "Romania":

The earliest preserved document written in the Romanian language is a 1521 letter that notifies the mayor of Brașov about an imminent attack by the Turks. This document is also notable for having the first occurrence of "Romanian" in a Romanian text, Wallachia being called here the Romanian Land—Țeara Rumânească (Țeara < Latin Terra = land). As in the case of the ethnonym "român/rumân", Romanian documents use both forms, Țara Românească and Țara Rumânească, for the country name.​

Wallachia is a Latin-based exonym for the area, derived from the ethnic exonym Vlach.

... I appear to be arguing myself into suggesting that Romania should be in-game from the start date, occupying the space currently labelled "Wallachia".

 

[Martin_Mortyry]

... I appear to be arguing myself into suggesting that Romania should be in-game from the start date, occupying the space currently labelled "Wallachia".

Stop the argument then, it would be really unhealthy for the gameplay, and I can already hear the outcry of that suggestion.

Orichovius (Stanislaw Orzechowski) notes as late as 1554 that "in their own language, Romanians are called Romini, after the Romans, and Walachs in Polish, after the Italians"

Hah, that makes a lot more sense than it sounds like, actually! I wonder, does Wołoszczyzna(Wallachia) come from Włochy(Italy) or is it the other way around?

 

[Nassau]

Yeah naval missions.. bit tedious atm. Why not allow us to make a string of naval missions which the explores goes through in one go.

 

[ppigor]

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/The EU4-Team

Please remake Shinto religion as a part of Pagan group, and syncretic faith like Tengri.
Japan has combined Shinto+Mahayana religion as a state one.

Next, please add estates for those countries that do not have them,
like Celestial Empire or Siberian Clan Council, etc.

And how about inland water fleet actions on a rivers and Caspian sea,
maybe with addition a new ships type (boat/shallop/canoe/etc)?

 

[TheDungen]

Stop the argument then, it would be really unhealthy for the gameplay, and I can already hear the outcry of that suggestion.

Hah, that makes a lot more sense than it sounds like, actually! I wonder, does Wołoszczyzna(Wallachia) come from Włochy(Italy) or is it the other way around?

My guess is that they both came from a common root word that means Romans.