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Ok, I'm happy to believe that. Just slightly confused by the quote I copied from the Wiki about the AI ignoring ZoC.

As an aside, is the Wiki run by Paradox i.e. it isn't some fan's opinion, it's the way the game works?

The Wiki is supported by Paradox but it is not official Paradox output. It is player made and curated, I think, by @Meneth who can probably tell you a bit more about that than I can.
 
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The Wiki is supported by Paradox but it is not official Paradox output. It is player made and curated, I think, by @Meneth who can probably tell you a bit more about that than I can.
The wikis are owned by Paradox, and administrated by me.
The content is largely written by players. It is usually accurate (though can often be potentially outdated, in which case the article/section will be clearly marked as such).
Though since it is largely player-written, it is indeed from time to time wrong.
If you encounter a claim on the wikis you believe to be wrong, feel free to correct it with a source in your edit summary (E.G., a link to a dev post, or a description of where in the game files it can be found). If it can't be sourced, it is generally better to mark the claim as "verification needed"; this can be done with the "sup" template:
{{sup|Why the claim might be wrong, or simply "verification needed|the claim in the text}}

Hope that helps. If anyone has any further questions, make sure to highlight me (using "@Meneth") or quote me. I don't normally follow this thread, so otherwise I'm unlikely to see your post.
 
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Are Netherland separatist rebels still a thing in 1.18?

It's now 1608, Austria holds the low countries (from the BI), and I haven't seen hide nor hare of any rebels. Playing as France, I've been anxiously awaiting those guys appearance, so that I can laugh at Austria!
 
Without "cheating" and closing/opening the game to trigger a diplomacy switch around is there any way to stop a rival from supporting independence in my vassal?

I'm playing Brandenburg aiming to form Prussia and have vasellised the Teutonic Order. I was reducing their disloyalty after force vasellising when England rivalled me and supported their independence. Regardless of +200 relations and numerous placating rulers etc they stay at 100% Liberty desire due to having 237% my strength due to the support independence treaty.

I set my attitude towards England to friendly, improved relations and gifted my way to to +50 relations with them with them and got the Teutonic Orders opinion to +200, but they've insisted on remaining my rival and supporting this independence for nearly thirty years now.
 
Without "cheating" and closing/opening the game to trigger a diplomacy switch around is there any way to stop a rival from supporting independence in my vassal?

I'm playing Brandenburg aiming to form Prussia and have vasellised the Teutonic Order. I was reducing their disloyalty after force vasellising when England rivalled me and supported their independence. Regardless of +200 relations and numerous placating rulers etc they stay at 100% Liberty desire due to having 237% my strength due to the support independence treaty.

I set my attitude towards England to friendly, improved relations and gifted my way to to +50 relations with them with them and got the Teutonic Orders opinion to +200, but they've insisted on remaining my rival and supporting this independence for nearly thirty years now.

You need to go to war with anybody supporting them (and win the war) so that you can end the support. Once the support has gone, spend prestige if you have to so that you can bring their Liberty Desire down below 50% and they should remain loyal as they will not enter into another support independence treaty unless they are already disloyal.
 
You need to go to war with anybody supporting them (and win the war) so that you can end the support. Once the support has gone, spend prestige if you have to so that you can bring their Liberty Desire down below 50% and they should remain loyal as they will not enter into another support independence treaty unless they are already disloyal.

That sounds bloody inconvenient. You'd think after supporting independence for several decades and the Teutons doing nothing about it, while both countries have positive relations with me theyd give up
 
That sounds bloody inconvenient. You'd think after supporting independence for several decades and the Teutons doing nothing about it, while both countries have positive relations with me theyd give up

If England have you as a rival then how have you got relations to positive? That sounds unlikely with normal modifiers at play.
 
If England have you as a rival then how have you got relations to positive? That sounds unlikely with normal modifiers at play.

He's probably referencing the Teutons subject there, not England rivals.
 
If England have you as a rival then how have you got relations to positive? That sounds unlikely with normal modifiers at play.

Maxed out improve relations, enemy of enemy bonus, same religion, gifts. Took some effort but it was floating between +25 and +50 depending on events, economics etc.

He's probably referencing the Teutons subject there, not England rivals.

Nope, rival England. I think I was rivalled by virtue of the fact I was the only eligible target, other than the rival malus there were no negative relations modifiers and a few positive ones which meant with effort improving relations, gifts etc I could drag it into the green
 
Maxed out improve relations, enemy of enemy bonus, same religion, gifts. Took some effort but it was floating between +25 and +50 depending on events, economics etc.

Then they might unrival you on a reload or if they lose a big war to someone else but that doesn't guarantee they'll stop supporting your vassal's independence. Maybe go to war with one of their allies if that will be easier and quicker?
 
Then they might unrival you on a reload or if they lose a big war to someone else but that doesn't guarantee they'll stop supporting your vassal's independence. Maybe go to war with one of their allies if that will be easier and quicker?

A reload sorted the problem, they rivalled Denmark instead and withdrew the support independence, just feels a bit gamey to solve the problem that way. I half wanted them to just declare the independence war because I'd have curb stomped them and ended the problem in short order.
 
I just watched Marco Antonio's Ottoman record breaker WC on YouTube where he used a "overseas" strategy for conquering all of Asia. Once he did that he moved his capital to India (reasonably), but then he also got rid of all provinces in Anatolia and Europe in order to use the same strategy but this time for Europe. According to the Wiki, an oversea province is the one where the capital is not on the same continent and if a province is not directly connected to the main land.

So my question is why did he sold and liberated all the land in EU and Anatolia? Wouldn't it be enough to just move the capital to any place other than Europe? Why getting rid of the territory ? In case you don't understand what happened there, he had a small vassal Aq Qunly if I remember correctly that severed the link between Anatolia and literally everything on the east from that point.
 
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I just watched Marco Antonio's Ottoman record breaker WC on YouTube where he used a "overseas" strategy for conquering all of Asia. Once he did that he moved his capital to India (reasonably), but then he also got rid of all provinces in Anatolia and Europe in order to use the same strategy but this time for Europe. According to the Wiki, an oversea province is the one where the capital is not on the same continent and if a province is not directly connected to the main land.

So my question is why did he sold and liberated all the land in EU and Anatolia? Wouldn't it be enough to just move the capital to any place other than Europe? Why getting rid of the territory ? In case you don't understand what happened there, he had a small vassal Aq Qunly if I remember correctly that severed the link between Anatolia and literally everything on the east from that point.
It used to be that in order to move your capital to another continent, it had to be the last province you owned in that continent. Thus, to move his capital to India, he had to get rid of all his other European holdings.

Note that with Patch 1.16, States and Territories have replaced the "distant overseas" feature that he was using for reduced coring costs.
 
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It used to be that in order to move your capital to another continent, it had to be the last province you owned in that continent. Thus, to move his capital to India, he had to get rid of all his other European holdings.

Note that with Patch 1.16, States and Territories have replaced the "distant overseas" feature that he was using for reduced coring costs.

It seems that I'm not up to date. I checked the Wiki page and the -50% core cost (for overseas provinces) is now gone? So the entire strategy no longer works?
 
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It seems that I'm not up to date. I checked the Wiki page and the -50% core cost (for overseas provinces) is now gone? So the entire strategy no longer works?

Territorial cores are still half price compared to the cost of a full core, and for WC you will mostly be making territorial cores, even on your home continent.

However, that 'half price' is a multiplier, whereas the -50% cost for distant overseas used to stack additively with other mods, making it easy to hit the floor of -90% coring cost. That makes all the difference.
 
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It seems that I'm not up to date. I checked the Wiki page and the -50% core cost (for overseas provinces) is now gone? So the entire strategy no longer works?
As Incompetent said.
Strategy of separating Capital from other continent (by vassals or other nations) is completely obsolete, as is moving capital to reduce coring costs in other continents.
But if you play a patch before 1.16, it would still work.
 
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