Home Trending Latest threads New posts Developer diaries

A House United: America in the Civil War and Beyond

Jump to latest Follow Reply
  • We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
If the Americans and the British can figure out how to divide the world between them, the rest of the great powers would become incredibly uneasy. And Japan and china must be crapping themselves.

Interesting to see what the effect of an American 'protectorate'/colony will have in the late African wars of the 19th century and the world war coming up.
 
Mmm. That is indeed a very threatening display of amity.
 
William Randolph Hearst for President!!! :cool:

Welcome back Jape. I'll check back in four months for the next update! :p
 
Given how relentlessly miserable Liberia became when left to it's own devices, including such joys as the euphemistic 'forced labour scandal' (Slavery) across most of the plantations and DB King being elected president by more votes than there were people in the country, it's hard to see how an American protectorate will be any worse.

The test will be when Liberia decides it doesn't want to be a protectorate anymore and wants to chart it's own course, I am expecting boatloads of hypocrisy and ineptly veiled racism at that point.
 
Great to see this back Jape! :)

Fascinating work as always, I'm awe of how much character you can get out a single incident, though I suppose Liberia is unusual in it's historic connections with the United States.
 
TheButterflyComposer said:
If the Americans and the British can figure out how to divide the world between them, the rest of the great powers would become incredibly uneasy. And Japan and china must be crapping themselves.

Interesting to see what the effect of an American 'protectorate'/colony will have in the late African wars of the 19th century and the world war coming up.
Click to expand...

The treaties are far from the start of a full alliance but Anglo-American relations are probably at their best since the Civil War. Right now Japan and China have bigger issues than Westminster greenlighting some USN coaling stations in the Pacific.

Liberia does shift things a bit. Question will satiate American imperialists or only encourage them further?

stnylan said:
Mmm. That is indeed a very threatening display of amity.
Click to expand...

I'm not totally sure what you're referring too.

volksmarschall said:
William Randolph Hearst for President!!! :cool:

Welcome back Jape. I'll check back in four months for the next update! :p
Click to expand...

Ho ho. I do have plans for Hearst.

El Pip said:
Given how relentlessly miserable Liberia became when left to it's own devices, including such joys as the euphemistic 'forced labour scandal' (Slavery) across most of the plantations and DB King being elected president by more votes than there were people in the country, it's hard to see how an American protectorate will be any worse.

The test will be when Liberia decides it doesn't want to be a protectorate anymore and wants to chart it's own course, I am expecting boatloads of hypocrisy and ineptly veiled racism at that point.
Click to expand...

For native Liberians its probably a net win as the protectorate has been marketed as a progressive moral project and Roosevelt is sincerely championing it. Slavery will not be tolerated for instance. However intentions don't equal utopia, it will have many of the hallmarks of vanilla colonialism. Then there's the issue of the Americo-Liberians of pro and anti-Washington stripes and the new (hardly huge) influx of African-Americans. Many of the old elite will quickly merge into the new system, their plantations and businesses benefiting from the new connections, that is until Firestone Rubber comes calling with land deeds signed by the Governor-General.

As to future independence, despite the reality of the deal, Barclay and other Commonwealth men still ultimately see the protectorate as temporary. How long the 'insulation' should last will be a key debate topic. Within a few decades you may see something similar to the INC develop, with US-educated Americo-Liberians pushing for re-independence.

RossN said:
Great to see this back Jape! :)

Fascinating work as always, I'm awe of how much character you can get out a single incident, though I suppose Liberia is unusual in it's historic connections with the United States.
Click to expand...

Thank you. I had my eye on Liberia as a possible avenue for American colonialism since Cuba gained independence in the 1860s.
 
@Jape - friendly relations between UK and USA being something of a threat to the rest of the world.

It was a somehwat obscure comment I admit.
 
Jape said:
The treaties are far from the start of a full alliance but Anglo-American relations are probably at their best since the Civil War.
Click to expand...

Better than what they had OTL, for both sides. The advantages of the two allying together are immense, especially as it was becoming recognised (not right now but by 1905) that of all the great powers, the British and the Americans were becoming a class of their own. If they could figure out how to reconcile Canada and the rest of the British territory in the Americas with the US demand of sole interest in the continent, and even something like how they feel about the Pacific would be very helpful to both in the 20th c. Hell, if the Americans do go imperialist, it's even in their interests to keep both empires up and running as a beacon of enlightened values. If an alliance were to occur and relations to get very friendly, it would be interesting to see UK/US reactions to the conflicts between Germany, France and Russia.

Jape said:
Liberia does shift things a bit. Question will satiate American imperialists or only encourage them further?
Click to expand...

I feel like as interesting as that would be to explore, it's beyond the tiny American government of the time. And trying to change that without extreme circumstance (like the Great Depression or World Wars) would be difficult at this time. Though...I guess you could try and figure out a way of doing it.

stnylan said:
@Jape - friendly relations between UK and USA being something of a threat to the rest of the world.
Click to expand...

Probably not a threat persay, but certainly the most powerful alliance in the world. Very bad for weak colonial targets and independence movements in either empire, as well as any trading nation trying to get a good deal out of them.as for large wars, I wonder...the First World War would probably start in some similar way, because France, Germany, Austria Hungary and Russia all need to fight for various reasons that have not been changed by this AAR. But with its international and global position secure, would Britain be as eager to join the war immediately or would they wait in the wings with the rest of Northern Europe and watch to see what happens? Would the US? All very interesting.
 
I am afraid ladies and gentlemen this AAR is well and truly dead.

My computer has kicked the bucket in quite spectacular fashion, as in its currently in a bin. Luckily I have a laptop and raiding my savings a new shiny PC is en route. However I didn't back up any of my game saves. I have once resurrected this AAR before by basically recreating the in-game situation after some effort but at that point the story was only twenty years in. It is now close to forty. I don't have it in me to do that with any success and with an excellent USAAR currently ongoing written by volk as well I have thrown in the towel.

I am very sorry to those loyal readers who have stuck with this AAR through its up, downs and numerous hiatuses but House United has ceased to be. Frankly I think this was my finest effort on these forums and was very upset when I realised it was done for but that's life. I thank you for your support.


However...

I do intend to return with a new Vicky 2 AAR in the near future. I'm thinking either:

  • Italy
  • Japan
  • Sweden

Though I'm also open to other suggestions, so any thoughts are very much welcome.

Again thank you and apologies.
 
I'm really very sorry to hear that Jape, but as a past veteran of computer shenanigans (notably my previous AAR) I can definitely relate. :(

I think either Japan or Italy could be absolutely fascinating, partly because I've recently fought them and would like to see them do well. :)

For alternate suggestions the Heavenly Kingdom could be very interesting, though perhaps lethally hard.
 
The excuses you make young Master Jape, they get more contrived each time. Commiserations on being failed by technology and I don't envy you the faff of having to reinstall everything, hopefully like the 6 Million Dollar man it can all be rebuilt stronger, faster and better.

I have nothing useful to add on future games, the one thing I have learnt is that it has to be something that actually interests the writer as that is vital in keeping up morale when the initial buzz of starting something new fades.
 
I guess...Italy? Not interested in Japan cos we cover that in class too much. Russia might be fun though.

I suppose this new American Imperial thing just sort of blew up in their faces and they quietly sold themsevles back to various colonial powers. Then...oh I don't know, super Churchill fixed everything.
 
That is a great shame. Hope the new PC is a great success.
 
Drat! Technology ruining a great story, as always.
Certainly on board for whatever your next AAR is; I'd incline towards either an Italian or Japanese one but could see a Swedish one being neat too.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back