Werewolf Lite CCCLXXXIX: Reversal of Fortunes

[JCan]

One thing immediately sticks out - Euro has yet to have his vote on a meaningful candidate at deadline.

Same can be said for Griffin and Slinky.

 

[Wagonlitz]

One thing immediately sticks out - Euro has yet to have his vote on a meaningful candidate at deadline.

He voted Health day 1.

 

[JCan]

He voted Health day 1.

Ah, true. Same for Slinky, and Griffin voted for baddie alynkio.
Oversight on my part. Apologies.

 

[JCan]

aramael and jeray appear to have the poorest voting records overall.

 

[aramael]

aramael and jeray appear to have the poorest voting records overall.

In my defense, that's mostly because I really suck at this. I even get out-foxed by the EUIV diplomatic AI.

 

[Black_Griffin]

aramael and jeray appear to have the poorest voting records overall.

On the other hand, she was voted by a baddie (not me, I'm an honest weregriffin), so possibly some goodie points for her

 

[JCan]

jeray's posts so far:

I can get on board with lynching Yakman.

Vote Yakman

Unvote Yakman
Vote Audren

Better?

Vote Claude LC

It seems possible that there was a wolf in the Health-Alynkio-Audren TIE I made, then Alynkio jumped on Audren for self-preservation, then Claude voted Audren to make sure a packmate wasn't lynched.

Have more confidence in yourself, experience really doesn't count for much.


Don't blindly follow EURO in the grounds he knows what he is doing. He does, but you don't know the real point of his machinations and whether aedan really should be lynched.

I think Health, Alynkio, and Claude are all equally good candidates for now. Personally I lean towards lynching inactive people if all else is equal, so I'm staying on Claude.

This was a nonsense case. As Aedan already explained, there are multiple good players on right now, including EURO himself, so lynching good players on the basis they are probably wolves will just as likely take out the village's most important assets as lynch a wolf. I expect EURO knows this and was either making a silly case for fun, or making a trap of some sort. That trap, even if he did not intend it, was seeing which players hop on the case because it was easy and had the dignity of EURO backing it. The players that did hop on it are probably wolves, similar to how last game the player's that hopped on Aedan's JCan case were likely to be wolves. That brings me to Arkasas.



Despite it being a crap case, Arakasas still voted for aedan. Black Griffin did too, but he's new so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he is new and probably assumed veteran players have a great deal better ability at identifying wolves. Black Griffin also unvoted later too. Arkasas should really have known better though. For that reason, I'll

Vote Arkasas

Is the case on me just that I've made cases on people who turned out to be villagers? Because if so, I hold out they were all reasonable cases but just turned out unlucky. They've all made sense, and while none were perfect, it's hard to make a perfect case with little information to go off of early on.

Honestly, every post aedan has made has been detrimental to the village. It makes me think he may not be a baddie because if he were, he'd probably be throwing in some token analysis against his packmates. But messing up in every post he's made is a very villager-y thing to do. Although I wouldn't put it above aedan to do a revolutionary strategy where he acts so wolfish he must be a villager, but is actually a wolf playing everyone.

Your posts were perfectly reasonable at the time, but in hindsight, everything you've done has been detrimental. And sure, lynching zombie players is good, but not as good as lynching wolves. It's just suspicious that everything you've said is either defending yourself, pro-lynching a villager, or defending a wolf. Although that definitely does not make you a certain wolf, I'm in a similar position myself.

 

[jeray2000]

Vote aedan

I don't have a vote yet, I don't see anyone else making good cases, I'm not certain about aedan, but he does come off as suspicious.

 

[JCan]

Well, I'd best vote as I'm going to have little time towards deadline.

Not sure what to make of the Euro / aedan tiff. Either could be a baddie, or both and the whole thing is smoke and mirrors, or neither.

'litz stuck a key vote on a wolf twice. Health helped lynch alynkio.
Whether either of those are treacherous is hard to say, but I doubtful 'litz would act that way, especially considering the late vote to lynch alynkio. Health might be another matter.

aramael was targeted by alynkio - so not really a good candidate for now.

jeray has a crap voting record, but little in the way of suspicious posts.

Griffin and Slinky are my go to cases for today I reckon. I'm going to plump for Slinky. Little overall activity and a not-overly-impactful voting history. Perhaps flying under the radar.

Vote Slinky


Let's see who follows me this time...

 

[Slinky]

On the other hand, she was voted by a baddie (not me, I'm an honest weregriffin), so possibly some goodie points for her

This made me immidiately think Black_Griffin is working with Aramael, but this

How about Euro, Griffin and Aedan for the remaining wolves.
.....

makes me not so sure. Looking at the voting record I am also not convinced Black_Griffin and Aramael are packmates. Especially alynkio's switch from Black_Griffin to Aramael (post 177) makes no sense in that regard.

I am thinking I have a bit off a case of tunnel vision regarding Aramael. So I have decided to vote for someone else today, though I still consider Aramael my main suspect. If that makes any sense to anyone else but me. If it doesn't let me know and I'll try to clarify further

 

[marty99]

He posted in the OT or somewhere the other day, I think.

marty takes breaks. We all take breaks, except aedan, so that he can keep his Lite-joining streak, which is a pride thing I guess. I just came back from a break. Breaks are good. Fear not!

Also, GM, find more people who aren't on break.

I'll be back when the House of Representatives issues articles of impeachment against the President of the United States. (If that doesn't force the GOP's hand, I don't know what will. Call your local congressman today.)

 

[aedan777]

Votes on me remain a poor move. I think Euro has been rather flakey and inconsistent so far. On day two he comes out immediately against me for a flimsy pretext, that doesn't even implicate me specifically. Then he easily drops any pressure against me, not because of my actual arguments, but because of a side comment about role PMs. Now today he's back on the aedan train for no real reason, and with no mention of the previous comment he implied cleared me. He's also been completely unwilling to consider other candidates today, which is also not usual for Euro. I don't know why he's chosen me as his lynch target, but he's not gone about this in a way that indicates he's a villager. Therefore I think Euro is a wolf. He's also avoided scrutiny and votes in previous days.

Vote Euro

 

[Slinky]

I am on board the EUROO7 express. His pushing for the tie was not in our best interest. WIth the seer dead you don't want multiple people lynched.

Vote EUROO7

 

[Wagonlitz]

I am on board the EUROO7 express. His pushing for the tie was not in our best interest. WIth the seer dead you don't want multiple people lynched.

Vote EUROO7

How was the TIE not in our interest? It allows us to bring down the amount of suspects faster than the wolves can hunt.

Also I'm not sure I agree with the case on EURO. On one hand he indeed is suspicious and how he's played reminds me quite a lot about how he played last game---on the other hand EURO always plays chaotically.

 

[aedan777]

How was the TIE not in our interest? It allows us to bring down the amount of suspects faster than the wolves can hunt.

Also I'm not sure I agree with the case on EURO. On one hand he indeed is suspicious and how he's played reminds me quite a lot about how he played last game---on the other hand EURO always plays chaotically.

There's chaotic Euro, and there's unhelpful detrimental Euro. They look similar, but chaotic Euro usually can be seen to be maneuvering for more activity. See his initial push against me this game to get activity from me, which I normally avoid doing for the first couple days. But Voting you yesterday for questioning him, despite you voting a wolf twice, and staying on you was unhelpful and pointless, as is his sudden push against me today for flimsy pretexts, without any mention of the prior comment he implied cleared me. This is Euro using his reputation to cover up harmful activity against the village.

 

[Wagonlitz]

There's chaotic Euro, and there's unhelpful detrimental Euro. They look similar, but chaotic Euro usually can be seen to be maneuvering for more activity. See his initial push against me this game to get activity from me, which I normally avoid doing for the first couple days. But Voting you yesterday for questioning him, despite you voting a wolf twice, and staying on you was unhelpful and pointless, as is his sudden push against me today for flimsy pretexts, without any mention of the prior comment he implied cleared me. This is Euro using his reputation to cover up harmful activity against the village.

You might have a good point there. I'm still not convinced though---albeit I've never been great at reading EURO.

 

[Health]

Right so who is alive.

Wagonlitz - leaning more toward a goodie due to the fact that he pushed alnykio into the contention not only once, but twice. Baddielitz wouldn't be that willing to throw a fellow baddie under the bus without a strong reason.
EUROO7 as Logan - bein EURO. Not much else to say, he did manage to entrap alynkio, but I'm not sure whether that was a clever ruse or a random accident.
aramael as Ginger - leaning more towards a baddie. Votes aren't that spectacular, but that applies for most of us. Seems a bit odd.
jeray2000 - similar to aramael. Has spoken a bit, but the text has neither been empty nor has it had anything useful.
Health - not gonna give opinions on myself.
aedan777 - interesting argument with EURO, which led to the bagging of the first baddie. Didn't fall into the "trap" set by EURO, but given that aedan is a "smart cookie" as EURO put it, I wouldn't expect him to be caught by something that easy. Could be either good or bad.
Black_Griffin as a weregriffin - not really sure, seems a bit too quiet. Could be either, but something about him seems like a baddie.
Slinky - active to an extent. Has never had his vote lead to a lynching. Could be either.
JCan - active, looking for baddies. Just what I'd expect from a fen dweller. A true model for other East Anglians to follow. Can-cans is probably one of the most active players the game actually currently has. His votes are standard for this game and he has everyone of his votes stick. Might be a little bit too good to be true, but I don't think that he would've thrown alynkio under the bus that quickly. Leaning more towards a goodie.

Jeray seems as good as any of my suspects at this point so...

VOTE JERAY

I am on board the EUROO7 express. His pushing for the tie was not in our best interest. WIth the seer dead you don't want multiple people lynched.

Vote EUROO7

As far as I could see yesterday, EURO wasn't that pining for a TIE. He seemed more interested in lynching Arky.

@F72Voyager Could we get a count?

 

[F72Voyager]

Current Votecount:

aedan777 - 2: EUROO7(277), jeray2000(308)
Jeray - 2: aramael(278), Health(317)
EUROO7 - 3: Black_Griffin(292), aedan777(312), Slinky(313)
Slinky - 1: JCan(309)

Not Voted - 1: @Wagonlitz

DEADLINE in 27 minutes!!
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[aramael]

This is Euro using his reputation to cover up harmful activity against the village.

Hi, I'm EUROO7. We haven't met.

Works for me.

Vote EUROO7

 

[aramael]

Oops.

Unvote Jeray
Vote EUROO7