[Interest Check][Submod] Dynamic Latin Empire

[Planita]

I've been seeing Byzantium collapse quite often with CK2Plus and that got me thinking. Rather than existing only after the Fourth Crusade, there should be an option to form the Latin Empire if Byzantium collapses or if a non-Christian takes Constantinople and a Crusade takes it back. My thinking goes that if the ERE falls, the Pope would want to a) shore up Christianity in the east and b) have an edge over Orthodoxy. So I was thinking about possible making a sub-mod including the following:

• Formable Latin Empire: Must (be non-Greek?) control Constantinople, be Catholic, and have appropriate prestige and piety. In addition the Byzantine Empire must have collapsed and lingering around.
• When formed the Byzantium title is destroyed but any independent greek orthodox ruler can restore the Empire with requirements.
• After a period of time another decision can be made to create de-jure lands for the Latin Empire.

I am not sure about how the CB could be acquired. Perhaps the Pope can call for it or a powerful Catholic king can do it himself.

Thoughts? criticism? This may be my first so any tips or advice would also be appreciated.

 

[Hausi7447]

Sounds good, if you need any help with naming and such, just PM me

 

[OdinX]

I've been seeing Byzantium collapse quite often with CK2Plus and that got me thinking. Rather than existing only after the Fourth Crusade, there should be an option to form the Latin Empire if Byzantium collapses or if a non-Christian takes Constantinople and a Crusade takes it back. My thinking goes that if the ERE falls, the Pope would want to a) shore up Christianity in the east and b) have an edge over Orthodoxy. So I was thinking about possible making a sub-mod including the following:

• Formable Latin Empire: Must (be non-Greek?) control Constantinople, be Catholic, and have appropriate prestige and piety. In addition the Byzantine Empire must have collapsed and lingering around.
• When formed the Byzantium title is destroyed but any independent greek orthodox ruler can restore the Empire with requirements.
• After a period of time another decision can be made to create de-jure lands for the Latin Empire.

I am not sure about how the CB could be acquired. Perhaps the Pope can call for it or a powerful Catholic king can do it himself.

Thoughts? criticism? This may be my first so any tips or advice would also be appreciated.

Should it be limited to only Catholic? How about if the schism never happens and there is a Pathriarch Supreme for Chalcedon?

 

[Planita]

Should it be limited to only Catholic? How about if the schism never happens and there is a Pathriarch Supreme for Chalcedon?

I doubt it would happen at that point because the Latin-Greek conflict has already been resolved.

 

[OdinX]

I doubt it would happen at that point because the Latin-Greek conflict has already been resolved.

It can happen though as it's happened in my own game; the byzantines collapsing before a Patriarch Supreme can be named.

 

[Planita]

It can happen though as it's happened in my own game; the byzantines collapsing before a Patriarch Supreme can be named.

Yes that may happen. Probably have Chalcedonian and the Patriarch Supreme does not exist.

 

[Fathuran]

The ability to create the Latin Empire title is in vanilla and it's pretty much as you said already.

The vanilla Latin Empire creation requirements are as follows:
*Catholic religion or Catholic heresy.
*Neither Byzantine Empire nor Roman Empire exists.
*Control Kaliopolis and Thrake.

I'm surprised if this wasn't already in CK+ but it's been a while since I played.

 

[Planita]

The ability to create the Latin Empire title is in vanilla and it's pretty much as you said already.

The vanilla Latin Empire creation requirements are as follows:
*Catholic religion or Catholic heresy.
*Neither Byzantine Empire nor Roman Empire exists.
*Control Kaliopolis and Thrake.

I'm surprised if this wasn't already in CK+ but it's been a while since I played.

Huh okay. The main issue with this though is that the title is given back to the last emperor within a few weeks which makes it hard with my idea. I think I may redo this idea as a better way to deal with a Byzantine collapse.

 

[Byzan]

Will the mod touch upon the Patriarchates?