The robots' creators do view them as people though. Especially if synths.
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Only Materialists can consider robots as people (by giving them full rights). Non-materialists and especially Spiritualists only see them as objects, and as such aren't subjects to our morality
Thing is there is still a leap between "I don't think you are a full person" and "Die monstrosity!". Yet even pacifistic and xenophilic spiritualists make this leap.
Spiritualists don't consider them as alive and see them as just a bunch of dangerous toasters throwing threats (and since there is a whole crisis about the AI revolting, they can be seen as right).
To non-materialists, they are nothing more than objects or cattle. To spiritualists, they are a threat that must be systematically eliminated.
I think it's more to due with the spiritualists looking at making creations that imitate life like that as a mockery of the lives that actually living creatures have, hence they want to get rid of them.
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Not only to spiritualists, either. The fanatic materialist FE sees them as a terrible threat, too. Always found that interesting lol
I would like to think there is a bit more nuance to the matter than everyone rabidly hating on the AI. Spiritualist fallen empires diplomatically recognize a fully synthetic empire as being composed of sentient beings (they slur at you for commiting species wide suicide, which wouldn't make sense if you they didn't assume you're concious and hearing it). Technology text to synthetics seems to indicate self-awareness is pretty clear in the case of synthetic pops too.
In the end what I want to say I doubt it would be so clear cut for a whole society that they would approve of aggressive dissassembly of seemingly sentient beings.
It's open for interpretation, but this is something a secondary ethos should resolve, to show just what kind of spiritualist are we dealing with here. I don't consider a society xenophilic if it rabidly disassembles synthetic populations of entire planets, with no possible alternative. And synthetic happiness shows they very much object to being disassembled. Easiest sollution if you can't stand them would be either to isolate or to exile, something even purifiers can do to the hated xenos. Yet all spiritualists (even xenophilic!) can do is destroy the AI without mercy.
Nah, synths and robots are abominations that must be destroyed. Even if they are vessels of their creators' souls they are still abominations.
An upload simply creates a copy. I understand the Spiritualists, but there is no need to freak out.
It's not a copy. For the spiritualists, you can't copy a soul. You're creating a monstruosity, which must be erased immediately.
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I could say something about A.H. not considering Jews to be people. Which I just did.
Just because a group doesn't consider another as people doesn't mean they aren't!!! #stopsynthholocaust
"Spiritualists" are so narrow in Stellaris, it hurts. What about Universal Cybernetic Churches from Zindell's "Requiem for Homo Sapiens"? Many of their branches are as fanatic spiritualist as humans could be. While being cybernized AF.
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Spiritualist ethos isn't about religion or faith in all its forms. It is about the "mind over matter" idea. Spiritualists believe that the consiousness isn't and can't be created by matter interactions, moreover that the reality is created by perception. It is a different approach to ontology rather than materialism.
So spiritualists problem with synthetics isn't because they believe that life can be only organic. If they meet silicon-based life they don't mind it. The problem is in "creating consiousness" that materialist claim to do. According to spiritualists, synths just simulate their consiousness they are philosophical zombies not real sentient creatures. Moreover, synths are blasphemy that delude others. They behave so much like the real beings that one can think that they are real and that the consiousness can be created.
Btw you can create a machine cult in stellaris. If you used to be spiritualist and build lots of tempels then embrased materialism, your pops will continue to use these tempels, becoming more materialists. They can worship robots and believe in literally souls that can be transfered from biological to synthetical body and they are materialists.
That's the problem, if you can't tell synths from non-synths how can you claim the former don't have "soul"(conciousness, whatever) while the latter do? Bonus question: why Stellaris spiritualists don't see bio-ascencion path as the same blasphemy? Just because that path replaces less molecules in subjects' bodies than synth path? that's ridiculous.
They probably can via psionics. But it seems to be more like an axiom. Artificial beings are not consiousness as consiousness can't be created through matter interactions.