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This comment would allude to the cinematic universe pack being gone, leaving only the reds.
Yes, but since it was said by a wolf, why should we trust it? Although it makes sense with 2*(3+1) packs and a sorc for the game this size.

The untimely demise of the doctor is also an oddity.
Yes.

Provided the above, I'd advise against contacting johho for the time being, he's by no means clear from the main threat that is the reds.
Fine by me. In fact, let's make a deal. Noone contacts me, noone eats me?

But with these simplistic rules it's not like there are 24 minor traited goodies that all would come rushing to a JL spokesperson.
 
Many of these such correspondences lack both. I mean, why is a doctor a spinoff series?

Because saving the player is effectively like having the series continue on in spin-off form.

Can't you think creatively?
 
Because saving the player is effectively like having the series continue on in spin-off form.

Can't you think creatively?

wouldn't that be a reboot?
 
Brutal - A Werewolf with this trait will kill the last person to vote to lynch them. If lynched by leader, will kill leader.
Quick reminder for the uninitiated.
 
all players
  1. .Health is House MD
  2. .Arkasas is 19 Kids and Counting: The Duggar Story
  3. .BlackCrown is Twitch Livestream of Bob Ross's The Joy of Painting
  4. .Claude is How I Met Your Mother
  5. .Audren is I Love Lucy reruns
  6. .Aedan is Here Comes Honey Boo Boo
  7. .Hax is Breaking Bad
  8. .Jeray is My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
  9. .Daleksbane is Dr. Who
  10. .k-59 is 30 Rock
  11. .Jackson is Psych
  12. .Black_Griffin is Mad Men
  13. .Sleepyhead is Better Off Ted
  14. .De Chatillon is Tales from the Crypt
  15. .Johho is Due South
  16. .the_hdk is Firefly
  17. .Cliges is M*A*S*H after Winchester replaced Frank Burns but before Radar left
  18. .Eternaly Lost is Stargate SG1
  19. .[Panzer Commader] Cliges is Buffy the Vampire Slayer
  20. .Steed is The Adventures of Black Beauty
  21. .[esemesas] Jeray is The Great British Bake-Off
  22. .alynkio is Game of Thrones
  23. .punkbob is The Wire*
  24. .DeathByWombat is Burn Notice
  25. .Gen. Skobelev is a popular children's show "Nasse-setä"
  26. .Tamius is University Challenge
  27. .Beamed is The Americans

Remaining players:

Health is House MD
BlackCrown is Twitch Livestream of Bob Ross's The Joy of Painting
Claude is How I Met Your Mother
Audren is I Love Lucy reruns
Daleksbane is Dr. Who
Black_Griffin is Mad Men
Sleepyhead is Better Off Ted
Johho is Due South
Eternaly Lost is Stargate SG1
[Panzer Commader] Cliges is Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Steed is The Adventures of Black Beauty
punkbob is The Wire*
DeathByWombat is Burn Notice
Gen. Skobelev is a popular children's show "Nasse-setä"
Beamed is The Americans
 
villager
sorcerer
Cinematic Universe werewolf
Sophomore werewolf
priest
cultist
doctor


DAY 0/NIGHT 1
Steed: 6
Steed [152]
Gen. Skobelev [153]
Audren [128 Jacksonian Missionary -> 155]
the_hdk [160]
Health [162]
punkbob [172 Cliges -> 175 Beamed -> 177]

BlackCrown: 4
Hax [109]
Daleksbane [110]
BlackCrown [111]
Beamed [117 Hax -> 135]

Jacksonian Missionary: 4
deathbywombat [127]
Jacksonian Missionary [138]
Beefjerky [113 Jacksonian Missionary -> 136 Canadian_95_RTS -> 143]
jeray2000 [156 jeray2000 -> 180]

Cliges: 2
Cliges [149]
Canadian_95_RTS [150]

Sleepyhead: 2
Sleepyhead [157]
Clit [169]

k-59: 2
alynkio [171]
k-59 [176]

Beamed: 1
Arkasas [118]

Hax: 1
Eternaly_Lost [114]

De Chatillôn: 1
De Chatillôn [123]

aedan777: 1
aedan777 [178]


not voted: 3
Claude LC
johho888
tamius


Steed wins hunter trait.

NIGHT 1

Hax the villager is hunted.

DAY 1/NIGHT 2
tamius23: 5
Daleksbane [185]
BlackCrown [187]
Canadian_95_RTS [223]
punkbob [272]
Clit [184 tamius23 -> 188 Health -> 270 Beefjerky -> 278]

Clit: 5
Beefjerky [221]
johho888 [236]
Sleepyhead [191 Daleksbane -> 269]
Audren [189 BlackCrown -> 213 Jacksonian Missionary -> 241 Health -> 271]
Jacksonian Missionary [190 BlackCrown -> 257 Beefjerky -> 276]

Audren: 3
deathbywombat [201]
Beamed [212]
Arkasas [199 Clit -> 263]

Health: 2
Claude LC [243]
k-59 [279]

Beefjerky: 2
Eternaly_Lost [230]
aedan777 [251]

Eternaly_Lost: 2
jeray2000 [219]
Gen. Skobelev [231]

aedan777: 2
De Chatillôn [233]
the_hdk [239]

Claude LC: 2
Steed [238]
Health [240]

Jacksonian Missionary: 1
Cliges [214]

Canadian_95_RTS: 1
tamius23 [183 johho888 -> 235]

De Chatillôn: 1
alynkio [224 punkbob -> 248]


Clit the villager is lynched.
tamius23 the sorcerer is lynched.


NIGHT 2

There is no hunt (=aedan777 gets hunted but is saved by blessed).

DAY 2/NIGHT 3
De Chatillôn: 5
k-59 [330]
johho888 [331]
Health [340]
alynkio [327 Beamed -> 352]
Beefjerky [292 Jacksonian Missionary -> 325 Sleepyhead -> 353]

k-59: 5
Gen. Skobelev [304]
Daleksbane [308]
Arkasas [335]
Steed [344]
Claude LC [350 De Chatillôn -> 354]

Beefjerky: 5
BlackCrown [302]
the_hdk [323]
aedan777 [336]
Sleepyhead [309 Audren -> 342]
Jacksonian Missionary [326 deathbywombat -> 334 De Chatillôn -> 355]

Jacksonian Missionary: 2
punkbob [288]
Beamed [291]

Sleepyhead: 2
Cliges [314]
Audren [299 jeray 2000 -> 316]

johho888: 1
deathbywombat [298]

jeray2000: 1
Eternaly_Lost [307]

Health: 1
De Chatillôn [317]


not voted: 2
Canadian_95_RTS []
jeray2000 []


k-59 the Blessed Cinematic Universe werewolf is lynched.
Beefjerky the villager is lynched.
De Chatillôn the priest is lynched.


NIGHT 3

aedan777 the formerly blessed priest is hunted.

DAY 3/NIGHT 4
alynkio: 8
Gen. Skobelev [384]
Audren [388 alynkio -> 397 Cliges -> 398]
the_hdk [406]
johho888 [412]
Eternaly_Lost [402 johho888 -> 414]
Jacksonian Missionary [375 Cliges -> 416 Eternaly_Lost -> 418]
Sleepyhead [403 BlackCrown -> 421]
Claude LC [422]

johho888: 5
BlackCrown [367]
Daleksbane [374]
Beamed [381]
Steed [389]
deathbywombat [393]

Canadian_95_RTS: 3
Health [387]
Cliges [391]
Arkasas [411]

Audren: 1
alynkio [399]


not voted: 3
Canadian_95_RTS []
jeray2000 []
punkbob []


alynkio the cultist is lynched.


NIGHT 4

Jacksonian Missionary the hunter werewolf of Cinematic Universe pack is hunted.

DAY 4/NIGHT 5
Arkasas: 5
the_hdk [491]
johho888 [502]
Claude LC [508]
Cliges [510]
Audren [446 Cliges -> 495 Health -> 524]

Audren: 4
Steed [489]
Arkasas [492]
Eternaly_Lost [494]
punkbob [513 Arkasas -> 523]

johho888: 3
BlackCrown [440]
Beamed [460]
Daleksbane [473]

Health: 1
deathbywombat [468]

Cliges: 1
jeray2000 [453]

Canadian_95_RTS: 1
Gen. Skobelev [465]

deathbywombat: 1
Sleepyhead [469]

the_hdk: 1
Health [493 Audren -> 521]


not voted: 1
Canadian_95_RTS []


Arkasas the Sophomore werewolf is lynched.

NIGHT 5

There is no hunt. (=the_hdk attacked johho888 but doctor protection saved him.)

DAY 5/NIGHT 6
PRE-OUTING[583]

Health: 5
Audren [540]
BlackCrown [546]
the_hdk [557]
Canadian_95_RTS [562]
Beamed [571]

Beamed: 2
Gen. Skobelev [555]
Sleepyhead [575]

Cliges: 2
jeray2000 [548 Health -> 563]
Steed [564]

Audren: 1
Daleksbane [542]

Steed: 1
deathbywombat [565]

jeray2000: 1
Eternaly_Lost [568]

the_hdk: 1
johho888 [543 Health -> 573]


not voted: 4
Health []
punkbob []
Claude LC []
Cliges []



DEADLINE


the_hdk: 10
johho888 [543 Health -> 573 the_hdk -> 583]
punkbob [584]
Sleepyhead [575 Beamed -> 586]
Beamed [571 Health -> 587]
Cliges [590]
Canadian_95_RTS [562 Health -> 592]
Claude LC [593]
Daleksbane [542 Audren -> 594]
Eternaly_Lost [568 jeray2000 -> 595]
jeray2000 [548 Health -> 563 Cliges -> 599]

Health: 3
Audren [540]
BlackCrown [546]
the_hdk [557]

Beamed: 1
Gen. Skobelev [555]

Cliges: 1
Steed [564]

Steed: 1
deathbywombat [565]

not voted: 1
Health []


the_hdk the brutal Cinematic Universe werewolf is lynched.
jeray2000 the doctor is brutalized by the_hdk.

NIGHT 6

There is no hunt.
 
Nasse-setauml_zpsegw6gfli.jpg


Allright you little baboons. What did we have yesterday? Let's see - we got rid of "firefly?" Uncle Nasse hates those buzzing little bugs, they always seem to fly around him on summer when he tries to catch some sleep or enjoy lying down in grass after performing too many magic tricks.

So let's see what the_hdk was doing in the game.

Day 0: voting to give the hunter to Steed. But looks like most of the known baddies were scattered around so I suppose there didn't seem to be concerted effort to get the trait.

Day 1: voting Aedan the priest (with second vote) when Tamius had 3 votes, Cliges, Audren and Eternaly_Lost had 2 votes and a lot of 1-vote candidates.

Day 2: voted jeray (again second vote) with Jacksonian on 3, k-59 & Sleepyhead on 2 and few 1-vote candidates. Directly raising candidate against JM & k-59?

Day 3: wild Johho wagon is rolling and the_hdk votes alynkio the cultist as alternative candidate. He picks alynkio over Black_Griffin, Panzer Commader, Audren & BlackCrown (and obviously it wasn't to save Johho as Johho outed the_hdk) after being attacked).

Day 4: puts first vote on Arkasas. Again Johho had been run up before this but other than that the voting was very spread out, with Health having single vote on the_hdk. In the end Arkasas the red wolf was lynched.

Day 5: the_hdk is merrily onboard the Health train. No traction on the_hdk until Johho speaks out and even then it requires outing to get people to vote the_hdk.

Eh. Not that much from there (and that's even assuming the dark red pack isn't dead). Anyways, even if the dark reds are still around the red pack is bigger threat. Dark reds have lost 3 wolves while the reds have lost wolf and (presumably) cultist.


To be a little more specific I PMd four players and made obscure claims like the first one Daleksbane posted just to see if/how people would react. Only got one response and no backing in the thread (but interestingly hdk showed up in the thread at about the same time). In a way I can understand that because hdk's voting records are pretty solid and I couldn't really build a good case on him.

In the old forums any such packmate shenanigans would have been prevented by the good old ticking of "notify when recipient has read the PM" box. *sigh*


Sorry about the confusion. The doctor and meantime comment were meant to be the same.

Still doesn't make it more understandable. ;)


No one died in the night

well I hope the reds get ya :)

@EUROO7, will another pack immediately take over hunting if one pack dies (yes yes I know it usually does but Euro does have fiddled with the rules a bit in this game anyways)? I wouldn't necessarily trust the word of dead wolf exactly. And it would need non-ABAB hunting pattern if the hunt was failed because pack died. Though as Johho said, 3+1 pack size would make sense and 3 wolves from dark reds are dead, so..


Another no hunt night? Seriously?

Yeah, there seems to be rather high amount of them. At least two are explained (aedan blessed and jeray2000 scalpelling around Johho).


Not much new from yesterday regarding the red pack to my eyes unfortunately. Health missed a vote and his switch attempt on the night Arkasas was lynched is still rather valid reason. He was run ridiculously high yesterday so I'd expect there to be wolf voters on him (whether packmates throwing him under the bus or going for the easy lynch) and already he's stacking up votes today. I think I'll repeat my vote from yesterday since he didn't get much traction earlier and the reasons still stand for voting him.

vote Beamed

bad voting record, not that much explanation for his votes and voting major alternative candidates for Arkasas and alynkio.
 
Health: 2
Audren [609]
BlackCrown [612]

Beamed: 1
Gen. Skobelev [633]


not voted: 12
Health []
deathbywombat []
Steed []
johho888 []
punkbob []
Sleepyhead []
Beamed []
Cliges []
Canadian_95_RTS []
Claude LC []
Daleksbane []
Eternaly_Lost []
 
@EUROO7, will another pack immediately take over hunting if one pack dies (yes yes I know it usually does but Euro does have fiddled with the rules a bit in this game anyways)?
If one pack is eliminated, its hunt nights are taken by the remaining pack(s).
 
Allrighty so that rules out the (unlikely event) of no-hunt being explained by pack going extinct.
 
15 players remaining. Presumably, 4 goodie power roles remain: Seer, van helsing, guardian angel, and leader. I would assume each of those 4 power roles are uncursable. Also there's a possibility the seer picked up an apprentice, as aedan is the only possible player who could have been an apprentice and usually there's two or sometimes even three at the start of a game this size. (Assuming tamius didn't have a starting apprentice or pick up another player on a night 0 scan, which would be very unlikely but possible.)

Allrighty so that rules out the (unlikely event) of no-hunt being explained by pack going extinct.

Presuming, of course, the non-eliminated pack had a standing hunt order set up.
 
The PMs about the_hdk went out just after I voted him the first time in case someone wants to know exactly which votes were pre-outing and pre-anybody-else-knew.

Focusing on the red pack to see who had any interactions with them (voting wise, I don't have time to go through the thread).

Arkasas was a red wolf and I think (but we don't know for sure) alynkio was a red cultist

Claude LC [] - Important vote on Arkasas, unlikely Red
Cliges [] - Important vote on Arkasas, unlikely Red
johho888 [] - early vote on Arkasas so unlikely Red at that time at least. Could possibly have been turned last night assuming the GA didn't hear the call.
Audren [] - cast the deciding vote that lynched Arkasas. But in doing so he also saved himself so no goodie points there. OTOH Arkasas was on Audren for much of that day so maybe not a Red after all. Arkasas was on Audren also two days before - that doesn't really look like a packmate. Helped lynch alynkio. I'd say probably not Red.

Canadian_95_RTS [] - Arkasas seemed to push for him over alynkio as a candidate vs johho. But he was a zombie risking autolynch so might have been a sell-out.

Gen. Skobelev [] - First to vote alynkio and IIRC made the case for it. Since we don't know for sure alynkio's pack we can't rule him out but he wouldn't be my first pick for Red, partly because votings and partly because behaviour in the thread.
Eternaly_Lost [] - on Audren vs Arkasas, initially on johho but then changed to alynkio. Not my first pick for a Red but not impossible.

punkbob [] - Pushed Arkasas into lead but then sniped to get a Arkasas-Audren TIE. no vote on the alynkio day. Not sure what to make of that snipe. Tenatively goodie?
Sleepyhead [] - Late vote on alynkio (after he already had the lead), throw-away on the Arkasas day.

deathbywombat [] - abysmal voting records (throw-aways) on the days that matters regarding Reds. Could well be a Red.
Health [] - was on Canadian on the alynkio/johho day. Throw-away on Arkasas day. Could well be a Red. Not likely packmate of BlackCrown though.
Steed [] - on johho vs alynkio, on Audren vs Arkasas. Almost too bad to be a likely Red... Also we might need (fear) his gun.
BlackCrown [] - on johho vs alynkio, on johho vs Arkasas/Audren. Almost too bad to be a likely Red...
Beamed [] - on johho vs alynkio, on johho vs Arkasas/Audren. Almost too bad to be a likely Red...
Daleksbane [] - on johho vs alynkio, on johho vs Arkasas/Audren. Almost too bad to be a likely Red...
 
Oh... So I'm not dead because of an outing. Right, I'll need some time to try and analyze the situation. Note to self. Add low lying woodlands as a place to not get drunk in.