The Golden Age of Television [A Big Werewolf Event, C C X V I I ]

[jeray2000]

Good game everyone. Thanks for hosting EURO.

 

[Team Wombat]

Nice job, village, especially Black Crown for serving as my liasion with the JL. Fairly efficient game on the part of the village. Sorry I played like an idiot voting-wise (in my defense, early voting kinda screws your voting efficiency up a bit AND I was trying to keep the fact that I figured out who the seer was early in the game under wraps.

I guessed that BC was a scanner turn two (because of his claims to be suspicious of johho - I thought that he was a scanner trying to warn us that johho was a baddie without knowing how Paradox does JLs), and was in contact with him all game after initially telling him to keep his head down. Hopefully I helped guide the JL well. I didn't tell you, BC, but I sent a message to Gen. Skobelev during the game, telling him that you claimed van helsing after you mentioned you shot jackson. I did this because I thought I caught you in a lie re: the Jackson hunt and didn't realize EURO's rules regarding hunts and hunter/van helsing shots being the same, and also thought that skobie was an obvious villager because he was killing wolves so efficiently. (Turns out he was killing only CU wolves and that I am an idiot.) Not sure why his pack didn't act on that info - maybe he correctly thought that BC had used all your powers. But I nearly got the JL killed (and probably would have had the wolves followed the BC/Beamed connection).

I was genuinely terrified when E_L made the tenuous connection between BC and Daleksbane - I had the seer pegged as one of BC, Beamed, or Daleksbane because they were voting so closely together. Fortunately, we got lucky and Daleksbane, not Skobie, fell under suspicion.

Also thought the game was over after we shot Audren - was expecting Skobie to be the last hunter werewolf for symmetry's sake. Oh well, a game with surprises.

PMs will follow for posterity's sake, should anyone care to read them. Thanks for hosting, EURO - was an excellently GMed game.

 

[Team Wombat]

PMs with BlackCrown:

Hey BC,

Saying you have a "feeling" that someone is a baddie for little to no stated reason is pretty much an admission that you know he is a baddie (presumably a wolf, as it is unlikely we have other priests roaming about) because you scanned him. You're ridiculously lucky I'm a villager (although with precisely 0 special powers so I could conceivably be cursed on a no hunt night), because you'd be a dead man walking next turn or in two turns if I was a baddie. As it is, sleepyhead, johho, and a couple of the other players know their work well and will probably go BC-hunting if one of them is a baddie.

I might be wrong about your role (in which case disregard this message and simply note my claimed allegiance/role), but I'm 60-75% certain I'm correct here. And please, for God's sake do not confirm to a presumably unscanned person (unless you did scan me, of course, but even then I could be a cultist from your perspective) that you are the seer if I am indeed correct in my assumption.

Not the seer

Sigh... I knew it - it's too obvious you scanned johho and he presumably came up as a baddie of some stripe. Well, if johho survives today's lynch, then you have your van helsing shot which you should use to immediately shoot and kill johho - if you don't die first by (WW hunt). You can set what is known as a conditional hunt in your role PM to EURO: If johho survives the night, I use my hunt power to shoot and kill him.

You're new to the way the game is played on these forums, so I'll introduce the concept of JLs. Basically, a JL is a group of people who are cleared. Usually, JLs are composed of double scanned people (scanned by priest AND seer) or major goodie roles (such as doctors, seers, and guardian angels). They work together to coordinate protection so that the goodies can work together and guard each other/scan likely targets.

Now, as van helsing, you can do one of two things to facilitate the formation of a JL: 1) You can either say definitively in thread, usually in RED: johho is a wolf/cultist. and if he has a trait like blessed or hunter, reveal that too. IF YOU DO THIS, you want to do this very close to deadline (i.e., make an announcement no earlier than 30 minutes, more likely 15 minutes, from deadline that johho is a baddie) to make coordination between packs impossible. Then you should tell all the goodies to make contact with you. Only trust major role claimants definitely (doctor, seer, guardian angel, maybe leader as well, as it looks like leaders can only be good in this game according to EURO's ruleset) Or: you can shoot johho directly as van helsing, and then tell all the goodies that they should contact you with what role they have.

I am uncleared, so do not share ANY further information about ANYONE with me. I'll put an early vote tomorrow morning on johho in an attempt to draw a hunt - a villager is worthless compared to a van helsing, from the villager's perspective.

Also, sorry for seeming prickly or bossy. But there are players who will be, um, rather brutal if you don't follow certain unwritten rules/metas of the forum. Welcome to Paradox WW - good to have you!

1 quick note - if you scanned johho as a brutal, shoot him and do not out him.

Ok, forgive my curiosity, but... if you're really the van helsing like you claimed (and then retracted by post edit), then...

1) you presumably scanned johho and he came up baddie.
2) you had and still have a shot to kill johho tonight

What am I missing? Are you really the van helsing and scanned someone else (perhaps the seer) and he scanned johho? Or did you not use your shot because you forgot to do so?

Shot Jackson.

Ok, yesterday spooked me (didn't realize hunts and hunter/van helsing shots were one and the same) but I'm fully in your corner now. 3 no hunt nights, only one of them unaccounted for. Wow...

Seer has contacted me by Proxy, that was how I found out about Jackson. Audren and Sleepy are village, but, Audren is Cursed. That is all the info I have. Health and Johho are both likely, but so far unconfirmed WW

Noted.

Again, as you know, the less I know about who is actually seer/other roles the better - since I'm a plain villager and there's been 2 no hunt nights and thus the possibility of 2 cursed turns. Less likely with Audren's cursed status, but still a possibility. There's usually about 1 cursed/blessed for every 8-15 players, so there are likely 2-3 cursed people in the game (audren, 1-2 others maybe) and 2-3 blessed (aedan, k-59, 1 other maybe)

Interesting about audren being cursed - he'd have to be your vh scan, as there's no other way to reveal hidden traits.

I'm relatively sure skobie is a goodie. Have feelings about many of the others at this point, but not 100% sure on anyone else.

Seer has confirmed you a villager.

Noted.

Again, as you know, the less I know about who is actually seer/other roles the better - since I'm a plain villager and there's been 2 no hunt nights and thus the possibility of 2 cursed turns. Less likely with Audren's cursed status, but still a possibility. There's usually about 1 cursed/blessed for every 8-15 players, so there are likely 2-3 cursed people in the game (audren, 1-2 others maybe) and 2-3 blessed (aedan, k-59, 1 other maybe)

Interesting about audren being cursed - he'd have to be your vh scan, as there's no other way to reveal hidden traits.

I'm relatively sure skobie is a goodie. Have feelings about many of the others at this point, but not 100% sure on anyone else.

Oh. That brutal thing is annoying.

(irrelevant PMs with EURO)

Should I invite all who have been confirmed good? That might allow for town to act together without wolf interference

No, please do not do that.

Even those players who have been scanned are only half cleared - myself included. In theory, sleepy (who I presume was seer-scanned) could be a cultist. This doesn't take into account the no-hunt nights, of which there have been 2 so far. And we know for certain Audren is cursed, which means he could have been turned on any of the no hunt nights. Which means that he could have been a villager at the time of the scan, was hunted on one of the no hunt nights, and is now a wolf (that is what cursed does).

We've only seen one sorcerer and one cultist go down, and chances are that there's one cultist more out there - and seers can't scan for priests. The reason why this is so is that most GMs, for balance reasons, tend to set up games where 1/3 of the players are baddies. Standard pack composition for a game this size is 3 wolves, 1 cultist, and 1 unaligned baddie (tamius). As we can be almost assured that there are two packs (the CU pack had 3 wolves, too large for a 3 pack game, and we've seen another pack - the Sophomores), it is likely that the starting baddies were 6 wolves, 2 cultists (alynkio), and one sorcerer (tamius). Which means that there is almost certainly 1 more cultist out there who can't be scanned. This setup would also explain why EURO wanted 27 players exactly - hits the 1/3 baddie rule exactly and makes for a balanced game. This setup would also explain hdk's comment about the reds winning - he was referencing his pack being eliminated.

Only known major roles (seer, priest (who is dead), apprentice, van helsing, leader, and guardian angel) should be invited to a conversation amongst themselves, as they can't be turned. I'm assuming that you are already in contact with the seer and his apprentice (the "proxy"). If you know any of the others, great. (I've also assumed for a couple turns that some combination of beamed/daleksbane is the seer/apprentice combo who you are in contact with, because they voted in lockstep re: johho with you for a couple turns and because more experienced players would almost certainly not ask to let half-scanned players into a JL. Again, please do not confirm if I'm right.)

I'd recommend a scan of steed or Eternaly Lost at this point, in that order. Johho seems fairly well cleared at this point (he exposed hdk and helped nail arky), and his posts definitely seem reasonable to me. (A bit curious to know why exactly we were so eager to lynch him.) I guess him being cursed is a possibility, but it seems to me a fairly unlikely one.

Not really convinced on the Health, but he's definitely preferable to Beamed if I'm correct that Beamed is one of your contacts. I'll hold my vote in reserve for now. Still would prefer steed or E_L if possible.

Of freaking course someone would figure out you, beamed, and Dalek were linked eventually. Wasn't expecting it to be E_L, though.

Actually, Daley is just as much of a mystery to me.

Damn. E_L actually has a decent case, then. I think I'll follow it.

He is most likely Seer however. The Seer themself has mostly spoken through the Proxy

Eternal seems to be shifting blame on to me for tomorrow's lynch, I believe him to be either Cultist or WW

Who is almost certainly beamed. Damn it...

Hey, Almost Certainlies have killed before

Just to make sure - you shot jackson, correct?

Yep

I'd say E_L is likely goodie - he didn't know that jackson was shot by you. A sophomore wolf would have known that.

known that you shot jackson, that is

Even so, he might be relying on town not knowing it, in the hopes of getting me lynched

true. His analysis is sound, two new players voting together is suspicious, and I still think steed is more likely wolf, though

Yeah, now would be a VERY good time to ask if Daleksbane is the seer. If he is not, that's the case I'm going for. If he is, we'll have to save him.

Asked the Proxy for fonfirmation

Wait a sec, you're the van helsing who shot jackson and the proxy didn't even tell you who the seer was?

Anyway, I voted Daleksbane, will switch off later - it's a two vote swing instead of 1) if we find out Daleksbane is the seer and I have to switch off.

He was withholding in case of cursed

Who, Daleksbane? You can't be cursed! Van helsing is not a cursable role. At the very least he can tell you what he is - you don't have to tell me.

Less than 10 minutes left. Am I saving Daleksbane or not, assuming he picks up 2 more votes?

Proxy is offline, I assume that it's safe to keep your vote on Dalek

Any Snipe would give away their WW status

kk will hold my vote where it is then

NICE!

I'm honestly suprised I'm not dead yet

As am I, to be honest. Thought that E_L post would be a death sentence for at least one of you. AND the wolves keep picking terrible hunts, to boot. I absolutely love it.

That was a great day in that we know at least one of the other cursed - possibly the only other cursed, as Audren is still on the board - AND Health's death and turning explains one of the two unaccounted for no-hunt nights. (Audren is almost guaranteed not to be turned yet, as he's been going after health for a while now.) One more day like that and we can practically coast to victory. Fingers crossed that our seer found a wolfie.

They may have kept me around as a possible back up plan in case one of them gets voted up. I think we should look towards the votes on Beamed

Maybe. Gen. Skobelev, Cliges, and Daleksbane are the 3 who voted Beamed.

The three who are alive, that is. Claude died, was a villager.

An Odd choice, they should have gone after someone on Health

let me know if the seer scanned a wolf, will vote after i know

I owe you an apology - I got my read of Skobie totally, completely, embarassingly wrong.

If Skobie doesn't surrender, I'd highly recommend telling steed to shoot Audren. We already know Audren is cursed, and he'd probably be a very likely hunt target on night 6 because he went after health so strongly. Also, Audren went after punkbob (cultist, alignment unknown) rather than daleksbane (red), and there's a decent possibility alynkio was originally linked to the red pack and punkbob was linked to the CU pack.

Can Steed be trusted?

I'm hoping that this is just unnecessary worry and that skobie is the last wolf. But right now, you, the seer (and his proxy, assuming he exists), and the person who was scanned night 7 are the only players who can be fully trusted. Fortunately, that's nearly enough for a majority (that would be 4 out of 9 cleared players) where you can just outvote everyone to victory. If the seer isn't hunted, within one turn it will be enough where you can form a majority and simply vote to victory. And the seer, as long as he remains alive, can make sure that one more person is trustworthy each night. Punkbob should be the last cultist.

In answer to your original question, Steed can't be trusted, assuming he hasn't been night 7 scanned or is the proxy or actual seer (which I assume he hasn't or isn't, if what you're saying is true). But if he won't follow jl orders, you can be pretty much assured that he is a baddie. And if there is a no-hunt night that night instead of a hunter shot, you'll know exactly why and we can kill what would almost certainly be the last 2 baddies with one stone. You don't even have to tell him why you want the shot fired at audren - just say the JL needs him to use his hunter shot on Audren if skobie doesn't turn out to be the last wolf. (This also assumes you told the truth about audren being a cursed, but I highly doubt that's something you'd lie about.)

Of course steed may not even be online (he doesn't appear to have been online yesterday) in which case this is all moot, anyway.

Nice renaming of the conversation

Yeah. This game turns me into an arrogant bastard. But arrogance, when successful, has its perks.

We also shouldn't have to worry about cultists which is good

Very true.

Nice job, BC. Glad your first game was a victory - you played pretty well for a beginner.

 

[Team Wombat]

PMs with Skobie:

Hey skobie. I'm sure your a goodie and explanation for BC is needed, but I have 10 more minutes for lunch and can't be on at deadline. Black crown claimed van helsing to me, erased that message but later claimed he shot Jackson. BC is a baddie. If I die you have this info now. Sending you PM's in a bit.

Damn it phone won't let me share PM's. Anyway, an early outing is not in the village's interest while the wolves are still killing one another. Will send PM's once I get back to an actual computer

Euro just said in the thread that he won't distinguish between wolf hunts, hunter shots or van Helsing executions in the updates - and actually he said it few days ago already. So the claim could very well be true since he went about it in so weird fashion in the thread?

So how fresh player is BC? If he's new I guess he could be very confused but might be telling the truth. However, if that's the case (and I don't really see why he would lie about something like that - unless we go with conspiracy theory where cultist contacts presumed JL member [2 priests dead so almost guaranteed to not get scanned] and claims the hunt was van Helsing/hunter shot)* then there was either blessed, turned or doc protection. Also, if BC is telling the truth then we can't be sure of the 2-pack setup, either.

But I guess you can dig a little deeper to see if there's anything more to hear from him. If it's hoax maybe something will slip. But if he's indeed telling the truth then outing van Helsing wouldn't be the best thing to do. Anyways, I doubt I can be online on deadline.

*I wouldn't consider such conspiracy theory outlandish from Euro, Split or some others - but a new player? Nah.

Sorry - i freaked and thought bc was lying and that i would be hunted. Think he's telling the truth tho.

I would have freaked out too had he contacted me like that out of the blue. What he wrote in the thread afterwards plus what Euro said made it much more likely he's just confused, though.

 

[BlackCrown]

PMs with Skobie:

Selling me out to the wolves are you?

 

[Team Wombat]

Also, wolves, not to be sour about dying just before the end, but... why pick me for the last hunt target? I was a highly unlikely seer for many reasons.

 

[Team Wombat]

Selling me out to the wolves are you?

No, I thought you were a baddie that didn't know the ruleset and lied about Jackson's death being a van helsing "shot" because the update came "jackson was hunted." Just a case of temporary idiocy on my part.

 

[BlackCrown]

No, I thought you were a baddie that didn't know the ruleset and lied about Jackson's death being a van helsing "shot" because the update came "jackson was hunted." Just a case of temporary idiocy on my part.

I know, besides, I could have gone about it in a different way.

 

[EUROO7]

Also, wolves, not to be sour about dying just before the end, but... why pick me for the last hunt target? I was a highly unlikely seer for many reasons.

The stated reason was that you might be the seer.

 

[EUROO7]

Allrighty so is BlackCrown the seer? If not, then he got the wolf name pretty quickly from the seer which indicates seer is deathbywombat most likely. Would explain his panic in the BlackCrown discourse.

Hunt deathbywombat.

But as always I'm pretty horrible at finding seers so switch the hunt as deemed best, of course.

 

[BlackCrown]

Ha, your plan backfired Wombat

 

[Team Wombat]

Ha, your plan backfired Wombat

better me than the actual seer, i suppose. I'll take a moral victory.

 

[Beamed]

better me than the actual seer, i suppose. I'll take a moral victory.

Your help was probably instrumental to us winning the game, yeah.

 

[EUROO7]

(irrelevant PMs with EURO)

Mystery!

 

[Cliges]

I had no PM from anyone.

It was solitary game.

 

[Sleepyhead]

GG all!

Well, that was abrupt. Why was I shot, @BlackCrown @Steed

Because I wanted it, and you were VH scanned since early on. Was pretty sure that Skobie was the last red, but just in case he wasn't I thought it prudent to off the most likely turned player. Beamed was about to scan you and I considered it a waste. Plus, How I Met Your Mother is a crappy show.

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

Oh, it's over. Congrats to the winners and thank to GM. I got to say Beamed stayed well below "likely seer"-radar so well done. As to why BlackCrown wasn't shot - he was used van Helsing, not the seer and we needed to find seer. So when that didn't happen -> game over. Wasn't helped much that I couldn't be online around deadline so there were few rather questionable hunts. Though I suppose 2 docs and 2 priests didn't exactly help the wolf cause but quite a few cursed ones offsets that.

Selling me out to the wolves are you?

Be happy that you were so cluelessly confused goodie in the thread or I would have done as Wombat wanted and outed you.







Epilogue

After having the children's tv show "Nasse-setä" cancelled Uncle Nasse was hit by severe depression. Saddened by the loss of his job he turned to alcohol as his answer. And Nasse wasn't the only one unhappy with the decision. People were widely wondering why beloved Nasse-setä had been cancelled. The only ones rejoicing were elitists who for some perverse reason thought Nasse-setä hadn't been art but merely cheap and disgusting entertainment. However, those were the kind of people to control the budget so Nasse had to go.

Several years later, however, sun shone to the social outcast as a budget travel agent contacted him and offered Uncle Nasse a new job. He was to be a babysitter for children of Finnish tourists in Spain!

Has Uncle Nasse found finally happiness despite working with children? Nobody knows but at least he's found the cheap cuba libres Iberia has to offer.

 

[Hax]

Thanks for hosting EURO and congrats to the winners!

 

[BlackCrown]

Hadn't mentioned it but, thanks to everyone who participated in the game. And especially thanks to Euro for being an amazing GM, your day by day reports were great to read.

 

[Steed]

Thanks for GMing Euro