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I'll set the fertilizer.
Danke Audren. Feels weird playing a WW game in forever.
That's not my fault! Or maybe it was? I've made a lot of mistakes playing this damn game.
Wonder if I could make a montage?
Obvious wolf.
Shameful display. Should we look into that last minute switch that was attempted?
It's barely better than random, but it is better than random, and there's going to be random cases still Day 2.
Explain what? Trying to make a vote switch or why I was the one picking the mark?
Actually I'm not sure I agree it's better than random, since it's a quite poor case which follows the beaten track of "he lynched a villager, must be a wolf" which almost always is wrong. And is something wolves like to say, though villagers have been known to do it too.
My vote was about as random as you can make it short of going full LK or Rngesus. I am offended that you think there was any logic to itWHY WON"T YOU ACCEPT THE WORD OF SAURON??
Also, VOTE AEDAN, same as person above.
Why not?
Is this a thing now?
Vote Wagon
With several frontrunners, why did you feel that a voteswitch was necessary? You could have just made a case for or against any of the popular candidates. Furthermore, you yourself were not in danger, so a voteswitch would not have saved your own fur.
Your behavior seems rather wolfish, and it is a tactic that many wolves have used in the past (suggest an "innocent" voteswitch to divert attention away from a mate).
Many villagers have used it too. Marty for instance used it really often as a villager (and as a wolf too). And it is something which catches wolves, which you should know as you've seen it in action.Is this a thing now?
Vote Wagon
With several frontrunners, why did you feel that a voteswitch was necessary? You could have just made a case for or against any of the popular candidates. Furthermore, you yourself were not in danger, so a voteswitch would not have saved your own fur.
Your behavior seems rather wolfish, and it is a tactic that many wolves have used in the past (suggest an "innocent" voteswitch to divert attention away from a mate).
And the reason I proposed it was given how stale everything was. People seemed content with the front runners and as such there was a good chance they were villagers---hence it's better to look elsewhere. And lo and behold two of them are now dead and turned out to be villagers.
The village wins by getting information and then using that. Hence we need to generate information. Pushing through a vote switch generates information as people are forced to decide whether to switch or not.
And that yesterday did provide some---among other things that Audren just sat on his hands.
Both would be nice.
But you yourself very consciously did not add to the discussion when votes started being counted, such as your vote on which made a tie, a 'Threeway' as you put it. You also suggested a vote switch rather early, before noon, in fact, leaving the wolves several hours to formulate a response. You also picked Claude, who did muddy the waters as you said, but nevertheless, he had no votes on him at the time of his switch. It was a risky choice, and it led to the death of Aedan .
Now the only question from my point of view is, would a wolf take the risk of doing such a volatile thing? And yes, I do think so. If you had a packmate in the running or thought that the tie couldn't hold and was worried about your own image if you were left as a voter for it, then a vote switch wouldn't be the worst option.
Vote Wagon
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1) I wasn't around.
2) I didn't feel like turning away from lynching aedan.
That being said, I don't like the reasoning for voting Wagon today. Seems too "easy." It's not like vote switches aren't uncommon. Whether they work or not is another story, but I don't think it's suspicious.
The act justifies itself.
My vote was about as random as you can make it short of going full LK or Rngesus. I am offended that you think there was any logic to it
If you are a villager, I believe you. But you may be a wolf and chose not to vote a packmate, in which case it wouldn't be completely random. It's not a strong case, but I think it's better than the case on Wagon for making a vote switch. Vote switches have been successful before, and I think this group may be too inactive to have tried to switch later.
Ok, let me try and gather my thoughts about yesterday's proceedings. Honestly though by glancing over it, Day 1 was pretty standard besides the unusual lynch target.
Most of Day 1 is a lot of RP and commonplace movement and tie creating. So I think for today I'll go in the direction of someone who was clearly around for the deadline, but actively chose not to participate in the voting while still posting in the thread to give off the impression of contributing. So for now I think the best case at the moment is for Audren, who stayed on after pushing Aedan forward but then stayed put while posting fluff.
Vote Audren
Mehh, I just find it better to try to keep players like Aedan and I alive because if we are villagers we will be much more beneficial to the village and gives us a better chance of winning.
Sigh... This logic that he voted the lynched villager on Day 1 doesn't mean anything. The odds are that we'll lynch a villager due to sheer chance. And for him not being a candidate needs to brew a couple days before that becomes a sign of wolfishness. Still, at least you put effort into this vote, which I won't be able to say for half the people.
This is the vote count around Mid-Day, and while there was a lot of switching around the candidates remained the same. So I think the odds of there being a wolf close to being lynched is fairly high and if we can nab one of those wolves then we can find packmates with all the vote switching we had at the deadline. If anyone wants to make a colored votecount and keep it updated that would be fantastic as it would help us greatly down the road.
Weird, never known Wagon for questioning Ties being made mid day on Day 1. Especially after making a threeway tie. Something small but not too note worthy. And honestly right now Wagon's behavior hasn't been suspicious, as vote switches are his bread and butter on Day 1. If he continues with deadline shenanigans however it's almost a surefire sign he's a wolf.
Most of Day 1 is a lot of RP and commonplace movement and tie creating. So I think for today I'll go in the direction of someone who was clearly around for the deadline, but actively chose not to participate in the voting while still posting in the thread to give off the impression of contributing. So for now I think the best case at the moment is for Audren, who stayed on after pushing Aedan forward but then stayed put while posting fluff.
Vote Audren
A mildly interesting day of fighting, my fellow Franks. Praise the Lord that I still draw breath! Notes!
By the time Ogier the Dane called on the village to vote Claude for creating a 4 way tie, the 4 way tie had since been broken and the count was thus.
Aedan - 4 (Ark, Ram, Cld, Aud)
Alynkio - 4 (Aed, K-59, JCan, Cap)
Livingston - 2 (Lost, Wagon)
JCan - 2 (Lynk, Ith)
Capage - 2 (Jer, LK)
Arkasas - 1 (Living)
Audren - 1 (Jax)
So really Aedan and I were the primary candidates even though JCan and Livingston had received some attention earlier. I certainly didn't want to die, and Aedan is a pretty good wolf-catcher so I figured the village would be better off with him alive. Thus, I was very happy when Wagon proposed the vote-switch to Claude and eagerly took him up on the offer. Much to my dismay, no one else seemed particularly interested in killing Claude. Claude himself was understandably less than excited at the prospect and switched his vote to Wagon. Wagon then proceeded to call on Audren, JCan, and Capage specifically to switch their votes to Claude. None of the above obliged, and JCan's suspicions were apparently aroused enough that he switched off me to vote Wagon. At this point, I abandoned hope of surviving the day without killing Aedan in the process and reluctantly stuck the knife into my beloved Yseult (it did help that Aedan himself was voting me). Wagon seems to have missed JCan's move away from me and mistakenly believed Aedan and I to be tied. He elected to break what he understood to be a tie in my favor by voting Aedan. The final tally was...
Aedan - 5 (Ark, Ram, Aud, Lynk, Wagon)
Alynkio - 3 (Aed, K-59, Cap)
Capage -2 (Jer, LK)
Wagon - 2 (Cld, JCan)
JCan - 1 (Ith)
Arkasas - 1 (Living)
Audren - 1 (Jax)
Livingston - 1 (Lost)
What conclusions can we draw from this? As of right now on day 2, probably not very many hard ones. I am pleased Wagon chose me over Aedan, but he is a noted tie breaker, so I think that trying to kill Wagon only makes sense right now if you're convinced that he and I are packmates. The reactions to Aedan's death are somewhat interesting as well. Jackson (who's post seems earnest) is sad that reputed wolf-catcher Aedan is dead (but probably wasn't around near deadline and couldn't prevent it). Audren, however, is unrepentant which is potentially interesting. I also find it curious that the Claude switch basically fell flat, though maybe this just means that not that many people were around at deadline yesterday.
Mr. Jeray, if we're going to go after Aedan voters... I was acting in self-preservation, Wagon thought he was tie-breaking, and Ramius admits that his vote was totally random. Arkasas and Audren seem like better starting places. I found Ramius' ways mysterious and suspicious when I first encountered them, but at this point, I can't seriously look at Ramius and see a wolf.
Haven't heard much from Ithvan, Capage, Arky, K-59, Lostie, or Claude. Interested to hear new takes.
By the time Ogier the Dane called on the village to vote Claude for creating a 4 way tie, the 4 way tie had since been broken and the count was thus.
Aedan - 4 (Ark, Ram, Cld, Aud)
Alynkio - 4 (Aed, K-59, JCan, Cap)
Livingston - 2 (Lost, Wagon)
JCan - 2 (Lynk, Ith)
Capage - 2 (Jer, LK)
Arkasas - 1 (Living)
Audren - 1 (Jax)
So really Aedan and I were the primary candidates even though JCan and Livingston had received some attention earlier. I certainly didn't want to die, and Aedan is a pretty good wolf-catcher so I figured the village would be better off with him alive. Thus, I was very happy when Wagon proposed the vote-switch to Claude and eagerly took him up on the offer. Much to my dismay, no one else seemed particularly interested in killing Claude. Claude himself was understandably less than excited at the prospect and switched his vote to Wagon. Wagon then proceeded to call on Audren, JCan, and Capage specifically to switch their votes to Claude. None of the above obliged, and JCan's suspicions were apparently aroused enough that he switched off me to vote Wagon. At this point, I abandoned hope of surviving the day without killing Aedan in the process and reluctantly stuck the knife into my beloved Yseult (it did help that Aedan himself was voting me). Wagon seems to have missed JCan's move away from me and mistakenly believed Aedan and I to be tied. He elected to break what he understood to be a tie in my favor by voting Aedan. The final tally was...
Aedan - 5 (Ark, Ram, Aud, Lynk, Wagon)
Alynkio - 3 (Aed, K-59, Cap)
Capage -2 (Jer, LK)
Wagon - 2 (Cld, JCan)
JCan - 1 (Ith)
Arkasas - 1 (Living)
Audren - 1 (Jax)
Livingston - 1 (Lost)
What conclusions can we draw from this? As of right now on day 2, probably not very many hard ones. I am pleased Wagon chose me over Aedan, but he is a noted tie breaker, so I think that trying to kill Wagon only makes sense right now if you're convinced that he and I are packmates. The reactions to Aedan's death are somewhat interesting as well. Jackson (who's post seems earnest) is sad that reputed wolf-catcher Aedan is dead (but probably wasn't around near deadline and couldn't prevent it). Audren, however, is unrepentant which is potentially interesting. I also find it curious that the Claude switch basically fell flat, though maybe this just means that not that many people were around at deadline yesterday.
Mr. Jeray, if we're going to go after Aedan voters... I was acting in self-preservation, Wagon thought he was tie-breaking, and Ramius admits that his vote was totally random. Arkasas and Audren seem like better starting places. I found Ramius' ways mysterious and suspicious when I first encountered them, but at this point, I can't seriously look at Ramius and see a wolf.
Haven't heard much from Ithvan, Capage, Arky, K-59, Lostie, or Claude. Interested to hear new takes.
I think putting pressure on Audren is not a bad idea if he really was around 'round deadline-time.
Other than that, if my Lite skills aren't horribly rusty I'd say this was a reasonably standard day 1, although the voteswitch didn't gain traction and we ended up lynching a rather useful player. IMO we could definitely run up the more experienced players who've voted aedan.
Another option is to forgo judgment for now and focus on players who haven't gotten any attention yet. And in fact, that is what I will do right now.
Vote Eternally_Lost
Other than that, if my Lite skills aren't horribly rusty I'd say this was a reasonably standard day 1, although the voteswitch didn't gain traction and we ended up lynching a rather useful player. IMO we could definitely run up the more experienced players who've voted aedan.
Another option is to forgo judgment for now and focus on players who haven't gotten any attention yet. And in fact, that is what I will do right now.
Vote Eternally_Lost
I already answered the former. For the latter then I choose Claude due to making that fourway, since making large TIEs is wolfish since it primarily benefits wolves and makes it easier for a wolf to drop out of the running.
And again I only picked somebody because nobody else wanted to.
What do you mean with not adding to the disucssion? And how was it early I suggested the switch? I suggested is with 45 minutes to deadline as seen below. If you thikn that is hours to deadline then you need a new watch. Did you miss Cliges moving the deadline hours ahead of what it initially was?
And how was picking Claude risky? When I chose him nobody had more than 4 votes. And most of the people with votes were the ones who had been up all day. So I pretty much had to pick somebody with no votes. And it actually was close to succeeding. One of two more people voting Claude and he would have hung.
What image would I worry about?
How does the candidates remaining the same give a high chance of there having been a wolf among them? If anything it indicates the opposite.
Firstly 2 hours to deadline is not mid day. Secondly I have done it before. I question when people make too large TIEs, since that's only helping the baddies.
I left like right after I made that "it's your packmate" comment. I didn't stick around for deadline cause I had to work. I doubt I would've switched, to be fair, but the case on me lurking is unsound.
I could very well see yesterday's vote result being the actions of a wolf-pack to remove a good player with a lynch rather then a hunt. I don't think the first two votes on Aedan were done by the wolves, but I would be shocked to discovered at least one of the later 3 votes are wolves, and I think we might even have 2 wolves among those number.
I am going to start with the one I deem most wolfish of those three.
Vote Alynkio
I am going to start with the one I deem most wolfish of those three.
Vote Alynkio
It may be prudent to look at some of the folk in the former fourway that didn't receive much attention, mainly Livingstone and JCan. Livingstone I think can be excused by this return (like why I unvoted him), but JCan seemed curiously able to shed his votes. I wouldn't mind taking a look at him.
VOTE JCAN
VOTE JCAN