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First of all thank you,

Secondly.

Uuuh.

As Dwarfnator said there are pre computed pairings done at the moment because it is loads of work for that one halfbreed your player character (/Turalyon, Alleria, Vereesa and rhonin) will create at some point and then if that thing marries a dwarf? or a gnome? an orc?
It just goes out of control.

But for reference sake if i ever have the time to, mebe half the ear size, change the one colored eyes into more human like ones with whites and colored irises (will look silly as fuck because the female elf eyes are HUGE) and mix in some of the human face graphics (slightly larger noses, some hairs from each, not the silly eyebrows etc.

Same can be done with draenei-orc with just making a blue orc and work in parts of the draenei forehead plating and tentacles for a cheap and easy solution (rather than a green (not always green even) draenei with tusks).

Isn't there just a way to make the icon where you see the faces larger, so that you can see bigger parts of the human/dwarf/orc etc..
 
Isn't there just a way to make the icon where you see the faces larger, so that you can see bigger parts of the human/dwarf/orc etc..
COULD,

That is all UI coding, i could make the heads twice the size they are and get 304x304 pixels to work with instead of 152x152 which is insanely annoying at times.
But then i would also have to move the spouse and child frames somewhere and that would push out the trait and martial, stewardship, learning,diplomacy bars, flag bar, etc and ultimately cover a lot more of the screen with just UI window.

it would also be a bitch and i would have to re-do literally all the work done so far and also not be able to use ANY vanilla resources since they would be the wrong size.

So COULD is the triggerword.

Should is what stops us.

There is a reason no one tries to do that.
 
Should the children of Anveena have some special traits, she is the avatar of sunwell anyway.
Dont think so, she is unlikely to survive longer than a year or so.
Either sacrificed by trolls, eaten by ghouls, used to restore the sunwell, absorbed by the void, imprissoned in a crystal for as crystal meth mana for elven junkies etc.
 
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Dont think so, she is unlikely to survive longer than a year or so.
Either sacrificed by trolls, eaten by ghouls, used to restore the sunwell, absorbed by the void, imprissoned in a crystal for as crystal meth mana for elven junkies etc.


But this is crusader kings and anything could happen, would be really entertaining for her to completely by chance of course, lead an adventurer party and conquer Orgrimmar.
 
But this is crusader kings and anything could happen, would be really entertaining for her to completely by chance of course, lead an adventurer party and conquer Orgrimmar.
Highly unlikely tho, even if she actually exists as a character (and not just a line of text in the elf ruler event "restore the sunwell" ), everyone from elves to trolls to the evil powers of the world will race to sacrifice her to gain the power themselves.

And since she cant really use the power herself in any usefull way she is closer to the flag in CTF than a player.
 
But this is crusader kings and anything could happen, would be really entertaining for her to completely by chance of course, lead an adventurer party and conquer Orgrimmar.
Well that what I want to tell them if everything is exactly as lore and can't be changed by the decision of the player, I would rather play World of Warcraft, what if I don't want Arthas become Lick King? What if I decide not to kill Sylvanas? Even if player don't do any thing, things will happen itself, Thrall can die from sickness or not even born. What if I don't like the look of Ash Bringer and want a lance instead?

@^: If you are a landed mage and she some how end up in you courtier, you still can make her a powerfull mage, right?
 
Well that what I want to tell them if everything is exactly as lore and can't be changed by the decision of the player, I would rather play World of Warcraft, what if I don't want Arthas become Lick King? What if I decide not to kill Sylvanas? Even if player don't do any thing, things will happen itself, Thrall can die from sickness or not even born. What if I don't like the look of Ash Bringer and want a lance instead?
Didnt say it wouldnt >.>

I said it was unlikely a pure font of magical energy would stay alive in a world where everyone wants to eat it for the power.

And on the ashbringer; yer aiming 3 low.
Y not the Stormbringer from infusing the crystal with elemental energies instead of holy?
Y not the Deathbringer of necromantic magic, raising all it kills instead of turning them to dust?
Y not the whateverbringer of druidism? Void? Fel energies? Arcane? Blood of various things? Locking a demon in it? Locking Hakkar in it? Binding a loa into it?

Loads of posibilities.
 
Didnt say it wouldnt >.>

I said it was unlikely a pure font of magical energy would stay alive in a world where everyone wants to eat it for the power.

And on the ashbringer; yer aiming 3 low.
Y not the Stormbringer from infusing the crystal with elemental energies instead of holy?
Y not the Deathbringer of necromantic magic, raising all it kills instead of turning them to dust?
Y not the whateverbringer of druidism? Void? Fel energies? Arcane? Blood of various things? Locking a demon in it? Locking Hakkar in it? Binding a loa into it?

Loads of posibilities.
Well, everything need progress and they are not player, how would they know she the sunwell avatar, the people who know need to plot to some how have her in their courtiers, maybe 1 day or 10 years, who know? Maybe at that time she already have grand children, or involved in some other event, like become an undead, join some secret cults, or the ploter die in progress because ha make someone hate him?

Mostly, her fate depend on the player.
 
Well, everything need progress and they are not player, how would they know she the sunwell avatar, the people who know need to plot to some how have her in their courtiers, maybe 1 day or 10 years, who know? Maybe at that time she already have grand children, or involved in some other event, like become an undead, join some secret cults, or the ploter die in progress because ha make someone hate him?

Mostly, her fate depend on the player.
And that is why i argued for not having her have a public trait saying "this person is the avatar of the sunwell".
If they DONT know, which they by lore dont, who the avatar is then you shouldnt be able to find out just by clicking all the courtiers below Stratholme or wherever she spawns.
Well she uses human graphics, she is just a special character.

Edit: on the topic of Anveena, much more fun it its not Anveena and just some random courtier who gets a hidden trait "Avatar of the sunwell" and that person needs to be found by the High elf ruler in order to restore the sunwell.

Not just seeing the event trigger and go to lordy ruler>strath ruler>courtiers>anveena>right click>restore sunwell.
And if Anveena is always Anveena the avatar of the sunwell, she wont live long.
Because either the player will be elves and speedrun to restore the sunwell before they turn into wretched, be trolls and kill/sacrifice her for the power and the added bonus of having the elven kingdom fall apart as internal strife over magic tears it apart with wretched rebellions.
If the player is the scourge they would either kill her and raise her for her power or just absorb her.
Ant twilight or void cultist would offer her to the void gods for favour (since even the Naaru who are pure holy energy can be turned, whats to say Anveena cant become a demi-void god as she holds the power of the sunwell?).
There are no benefits for anyone to let her live.

It all ends up with the two chocies of she is hidden and thus not actually Anveena but just a random courtier with a hidden trait, a la sandbox and lore accuracy of not knowing who the avatar is beforehand which will probably kill or turn her
Or if she is Anveena the character and then the discovery time is 0 leading to the above "strath>courtier>right click>restore sunwell" chain.

With the first one you cant do your "anveena leads the party to conquer orgrimmar" since she wont be Anveena the character but she might avoid discovery for a while.
With the second she is anveena the character but her survival time is 0 since there are no benefits to leave her alive and it will just lead to someone else finding her and sacrificing her for a buff.
Not to mention that the elves will hate you.

There might still be a courtier named Anveena Teague.
But the chance of her becoming the avatar of the sunwell should not be 100%

As for her children having special traits because of her being the avatar.
Probably not, her being infused with energy does not mean her children would gain any of it.
The whole point of her sacrifice was that all the energy went back into the sunwell, if her children also have a part of it then you would need to sacrifice them as well.
 
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And that is why i argued for not having her have a public trait saying "this person is the avatar of the sunwell".
If they DONT know, which they by lore dont, who the avatar is then you shouldnt be able to find out just by clicking all the courtiers below Stratholme or wherever she spawns.

And if Anveena is always Anveena the avatar of the sunwell, she wont live long.
Because either the player will be elves and speedrun to restore the sunwell before they turn into wretched, be trolls and kill/sacrifice her for the power and the added bonus of having the elven kingdom fall apart as internal strife over magic tears it apart with wretched rebellions.
If the player is the scourge they would either kill her and raise her for her power or just absorb her.
Ant twilight or void cultist would offer her to the void gods for favour (since even the Naaru who are pure holy energy can be turned, whats to say Anveena cant become a demi-void god as she holds the power of the sunwell?).
There are no benefits for anyone to let her live.

It all ends up with the two chocies of she is hidden and thus not actually Anveena but just a random courtier with a hidden trait, a la sandbox and lore accuracy of not knowing who the avatar is beforehand which will probably kill or turn her
Or if she is Anveena the character and then the discovery time is 0 leading to the above "strath>courtier>right click>restore sunwell" chain.

With the first one you cant do your "anveena leads the party to conquer orgrimmar" since she wont be Anveena the character but she might avoid discovery for a while.
With the second she is anveena the character but her survival time is 0 since there are no benefits to leave her alive and it will just lead to someone else finding her and sacrificing her for a buff.
Not to mention that the elves will hate you.

There might still be a courtier named Anveena Teague.
But the chance of her becoming the avatar of the sunwell should not be 100%

As for her children having special traits because of her being the avatar.
Probably not, her being infused with energy does not mean her children would gain any of it.
The whole point of her sacrifice was that all the energy went back into the sunwell, if her children also have a part of it then you would need to sacrifice them as well.

Hum, i think it's must be like GoT mod on dragon egg thing, you know as a player if ppl have one but you can't just steal from him, you can't easily fool a player coz the story already happened, so you must create mechanics which players must do to get what his want.
Maybe you need to know Korialstrasz well or be his friend to learn about her, or something must happen in your domain to know about her, but the players must have the choice to change the fate of the world.
And it's not about Anveena ( i rly don't care much ) but about every important event in the game.
 
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Hum, i think it's must be like GoT mod on dragon egg think, you know as a player if ppl have one but you can't just steal from him, you can't easily fool a player coz the story already happened, so you must create mechanics which players must do to get what his want.
Maybe you need to know Korialstrasz well or be his friend to learn about her, or something must happen in you domain to know about her, but the players must have the choice to change the fate of the world.
And it's not about Anveena ( i rly don't care much ) but about every important event in the game.
Well yeah, the issue in this case is mostly that its a whole person and not an item or trait.
Stopping people from just creating a plot to assassinate Anveena and thereby ruining quel'thalas forever is quite hard (and annoying) to stop.
 
Well yeah, the issue in this case is mostly that its a whole person and not an item or trait.
Stopping people from just creating a plot to assassinate Anveena and thereby ruining quel'thalas forever is quite hard (and annoying) to stop.
I don't remember if it's said what happen to her if she is killed, so if nothing has be said from the blizz it's up to you guys, maybe her just remateralizes in a random court with other form maybe another race.
 
I don't remember if it's said what happen to her if she is killed, so if nothing has be said from the blizz it's up to you guys, maybe her just remateralizes in a random court with other form maybe another race.
That leads to anveena not strictly being Anveena the human avatar of the sunwell character and closer to random courtier gets a secret flag.
 
@^ do you know what can we do what her beside retorte the sunwell? What if she end up become next Lich King? But wait, what situation that she can be born? Kel'thuzad may die from "accident " from early game, right?
 
@KhoiDangDang have right - in CK2 scenarios can be too random for "simulation of lore". Mod should go way like a original CK2; "look for ways to implement similar motives and actions".
This is the actual intent so far. The current event scripting philosophy is that events are biased to happen as they did historically (If you started with the War3 bookmark and the events of War3 didnt happen at all, that'd kinda suck) but that doesnt mean they'll happen exactly as they did. Especially after a player gets invovled.
 
There are some situations in the Warhammer mod and game of throne mod that you should avoid is the description of items or artifacts or some traits, In Warhammer my character is Imperium but He is a Grail religion when he becomes knight or grail knight, the description of the traits is all about the Bretonnia, I really feel dissatisfy. The description should be general than detail.