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Ddraig5400

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What do you think of the 9th Panzer?

They're not bad, from what I can see:
- phase A, they lack any big guns, relying on light tanks and half tracks.
- phase B, they get plenty of veteran units, with some elite stugs on top.
- phase C, they get a number of elite units, with elite Pz.Gren's, Tigers and 88's.

From what I can see, they get gradually more powerful over the course of the game. Although it feels something's missing. What do others think?
 
They're kind of like someone took the Hitlerjugend and then took out all of the good tanks, the Jagdpanzer, and the MLRSes in exchange for a better income. Not the most flattering comparison, but I don't like the design of the Hitlerjugend*, so I don't think that's a bad thing. Alternately, they also share no small amount of DNA with the Zircus; similar income, armor, and infantry.

As a player, I love the mechanized-esque "I get decent mediums in the tank tab without getting hosed in the infantry tab" style of division, so I like playing them. I also think the spotter Pz4 is a nice touch, since it lets you get offboard artillery that becomes a medium tank when you're out of howitzer shells, further making them a division that tends to have a lot of Pz4s.

All in all, a solidly designed, middle of the pack Axis armored division. The worst I'll say of them is that they're a little redundant. There's not so many divisions out yet that I object to the similarities to existing divisions yet, though.

*From a game design perspective. They're a perfectly playable and effective division from the perspective of someone playing them.
 
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the swarm of pz2 are a pain to deal with if they can reliably get close. It's basically the deck for cult of the autocannon.

Among the axis deck the 9pz basically have the weakness late game, but still competitive with the Allies if you can manage your jpz4 and tiger well. Early game depend on your ability to get in close with your panzer2.
 
Been wondering why the Flak 41 is using the same stats and model of a Flak 18,36 and 37.

The Pzgr 39 round fired by the 88L74 Flak 41 had superior performance than that of the 88L56 Flak ;its performance was slightly less than that of the 88L71 Pak 43.


The 9th PzDv's Flak 41 caught my eye.
 
Those Stug 3 cards in phase B seem out of place though. I don't see why anyone would ever have them in the 9th Panzer deck.

In phase C they have a harder time dealing with Jumbos than most.
 
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I really like the versatility and good cheap units- a rarity in German armored decks. The panzer II luchs and panzer I are wonderful value if used en masse and the vet marder is a lot better value than say the beute firefly for dealing with enemy early armor. They even have a close combat unit in phase A and an elite mortar track for winning infantry fights.
 
It is super trash division. Like all german tank decks but worse because there are no phase B super tanks.

The whole point of 9 pzdiv is that your light tanks are very fast and can take a lot of ground given the chance but it will never happen against good players, they all get destroyed.

But imo all german tank decks are beyond repair in 1v1.
 
I think its a decent division that doesn't click. Similar concept to the Third Canadian for me. I think Vulkan said its a good division- if you don't run any of their unique stuff (pz. Is, luchs, and other stuff) but I think everyone is trying to run their new stuff to see their usage.
 
Kaziglu said:
Those Stug 3 cards in phase B seem out of place though. I don't see why anyone would ever have them in the 9th Panzer deck.

In phase C they have a harder time dealing with Jumbos than most.
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They are 2 star vet and can become 3 easily. They will beat hellcats and most other non vet vehicles within 1000 meters. I take 2 cards in my deck because they are very efficient with smart play.
 
One thing that gets overlooked when evaluating 9.PzD is that it is one of the few divisions that has a hard counter to AVRE in phase A in a form of Marder that is rather fast and has one veterancy star. In 1v1 setting it is huge advantage, because autocannons will shred Scots infantry otherwise while HT mortars will neutralize those AT guns.
 
fufubear said:
They are 2 star vet and can become 3 easily. They will beat hellcats and most other non vet vehicles within 1000 meters. I take 2 cards in my deck because they are very efficient with smart play.
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Sure but on the other hand the elite Command Pz 4 are better in most ways except for that three star possibility. You get much so much more for the money.
 
The Lehr gets 2, the other two get 1. So, in the Schelle- the only case where it's a side-by-side choice- it is an availability trade-off to get the elite command version.

On the other hand if you want quantity, the non-Bef H comes at 4 per card and the J 5 per card. If I'm running out of Pz4s in phase B, I'd just take one card of the command Pz4 and one card of a non-command Pz4 instead of two cards of command Pz4s, rather than switch to the Stug.

YMMV, because there's inarguably advantages to each of the four options, but I agree with Kaziglu that the Stug 3 is kind of pointless for the Schnelle. I don't know if I'd take it even at 140 points, but I'm definitely not paying 150 for it.

Ddraig5400 said:
They get their elite command panzers in c.
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Which division are you talking about? All three of the divisions I named get theirs in B. Off the top of my head, I can't recall a single division that gets elite command panzers but not until C.
 
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dmdelor said:
The Lehr gets 2, the other two get 1. So, in the Schelle- the only case where it's a side-by-side choice- it is an availability trade-off to get the elite command version.

YMMV, because there's inarguably advantages to each of the four options, but I agree with Kaziglu that the Stug 3 is kind of pointless for the Schnelle. I don't know if I'd take it even at 140 points, but I'm definitely not paying 150 for it.



Which division are you talking about? All three of the divisions I named get theirs in B. Off the top of my head, I can't recall a single division that gets elite command panzers but not until C.
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From memory, schnelle gets two veteran in B and two elite in C.
 
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