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HOI4 Dev Diary - 1.5.2 Update #1

Hi everyone! I hope you are enjoying Waking the Tiger :) With the 1.5.1 patch released last week the team has now started on 1.5.2. Today won't really be a big diary, but I figured we could highlight some of the changes every week as they are done rather than have a diary break while the patch work is ongoing. The idea is that 1.5.2 will be available as an opt-in beta on Friday (barring QA veto), but we will be rolling out updates to it until its ready for release. Real release is at least 2 weeks away.

Making organizing commanders easier
People seem to really like our fantastic future tech dubbed “Drag-and-drop” (pending trademark registry), so based on community feedback we have decided to implement this in more places. You can now reorganize your armies and army groups by simple dragging them around (we are working on a similar thing for the theater overview to allow it there also).

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XP gain on commanders and divisions
There have been a lot of conflicting feedback on how fast your commanders level up and gain traits. Some say it’s much too fast and some say its prohibitively slow. We did a quick fix for 1.5.1 to try and smooth out the progression curve, but realized we really needed to do something more radical. The issue is that its very playstyle dependent since XP is rewarded for every hour in combat. This essentially means that if you play well, pull off encirclements, use concentration of force or overrun the enemy you get very little XP compared to someone who is just throwing bodies at the enemy to slowly wear them down. To deal with this we are changing how you gain XP:
  • Overruns (blocking retreating enemy paths) and shattered divisions (enemy that cannot escape) gives you a flat xp reward per unit that is destroyed.
  • The rate of XP gain per hour is reduced over time with max penalty at 1 month long battle (-90%)
  • The more damage you do relative to the enemy the better XP reward you get to compensate for those combats being relatively short (up to a 4x difference)
Hopefully these changes should help balance the radical differences between long and short battles and reward players who play smart while not negatively impacting the brute force method too much. We’ll be relying on feedback on how this feels during the open beta process to see how it pans out.


Multiplayer desyncs
Looking at statistics from our backend 1.5.1 seems to have improved things and it’s now back to the same level as before Tiger was released. However we still see reports, so we have developed some new tools to help us as well as potentially fixed more cases. We are hopeful about improvements here as well for 1.5.2. Again, we’ll be relying on feedback in the open beta later for this as well.


Doctrine cost changes
With the infamous doctrine-swapping-for-free exploit gone we felt that the cost of switching was perhaps a bit too high now, scaring people from changing up things. To make that a fairer choice starting level of land doctrines now cost half of what they used to (so in line with other techs), making a switch still a serious tradeoff you need to think of, but not as delaying is it is now. The reason it’s not just free is at the heart of HOI4. You step into the shoes of the nation at a historical point in time, so you should need to deal with their current situation. Switching army wide doctrine is one of those things, just like division templates or low war support or stability.


Polish and German border changes
Though some effort was made to adjust states to make german historical WW1 borders possible, as this thread shows, things were still not completely up to scratch. I (Bratyn) decided to put in some of my personal development time to brush up on my map-painting skillz and improve upon what we had already done.

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1. The two Polish provinces slightly south-east of Danzig, 6347 and 6321, which previously formed a weird protrusion into Prussia, have now been reshaped with a more east-west horizontal border, with the northern province (6347) being added to the Danzig state. Once Danzig is taken by Germany, this now creates proper borders for Eastern Prussia.
2. I made a minor adjustment to ‘flatten’ the border in the little bit jutting out around Strzelno (I felt it was too pronounced).
3. The two Polish provinces on the tip of Silesia, 506 and 6464, have been reduced in size and remodeled, with the freed-up space going to the provinces around them, as well as a new province (13205) created for the Krakow state. A new state has been created (“Voivodeship Silesia”), to which provinces 506 and 6464 have been added, making it possible to transfer this state via events to Germany, much in the same way as is already done with Poznan and Danzig.
4. While I was at it, I figured I’d fix a personal pet peeve, as well. I reassigned provinces to states all over Eastern Germany, ensuring that the borders between these states now follow the Oder river. I also redrew the borders of the provinces (3514, 3572, 6595, 9535, 11415, and 11517) to follow the Neisse river (which is not shown on the HOI4 map), as well as those of province 6282 (Stettin). This now makes it possible to recreate proper modern-day eastern German borders, for those of us who enjoy that kind of thing.

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All of this also involved relocating some industry, air bases, and population from certain states to others, but this should not have much effect on gameplay. Unfortunately, the end result does mean that savegames will have… An unfortunate gap in the map where Voivodeship Silesia is located. Starting a new game when signing up to the Beta or when switching to the patch is recommended, as not doing so may result in some weird stuff (such as units present in those provinces beforehand being perpetually stuck there). This is also the reason why we tend to be conservative with making map-changes, and this is unfortunately unlikely to change.

Glorious end result:

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Hats! The people want Hats!
In our ongoing efforts to increase the number of great hats in the game, we have decided to add Paul von Lettow Vorbeck to the German lineup. Best known for his campaign in German East Africa during the Great War, von Lettow-Vorbeck is available for recruitment through a decision after the Kaiser has returned. Given the terrain he fought in during the war, we decided to give him the Jungle Rat trait as well as a pretty good logistics score.

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There are of course also a slew of smaller change and fixes we have had time to do, but we’ll leave that for the eventual changelog. If your pet peeve was not mentioned check out last weeks diary covering the main areas we will be working on as this diary was to highlight stuff we had already done.

Next week we will have another update as well as showing off a really really cool thing for modders we have been working with on the side. Stay tuned!
 
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yeh naval revamp will be in 1.6 i assume, alongside the next expansion and some revamped vanilla focus trees, probably US and UK
 
This is represented; the state has an equal number of available building slots as Oberschlesien, but I moved one CIV from Krakow into Voivodeship Silesia. I believe the region contained 80% of the heavy industry of Upper Silesia, so this should be more or less appropriate, relative to Oberschlesien. If someone makes a good argument, I could see a potential case for cannibalising Krakow for more industry, in favour of Polish Silesia.
That's good enough I think. But my question was about resources, not factories ;)

If what is now Oberschleisen province has 38 steel and 13 aluminium, the new state should get a fair share of that.

It is still unclear if steel resource in-game is supposed to represent iron ore deposits, steel mills or a combination of both. In any case, there's a strong argument that the new state should have at least small amounts of steel and even trickle aluminium (likely increasing total amount of steel Poland has access to). Also see this excellent thread by @billcorr for reference.

The most important economic asset was the enormous coal-mining industry and its ancillary businesses, but the area yielded iron, zinc, and lead as well. The "Industrial Triangle" on the eastern side of the plebiscite zone—between the cities of Beuthen (Bytom), Kattowitz (Katowice), and Gleiwitz (Gliwice) was the heart of this large industrial complex.

On the basis of the reports of a League commission and those of its experts, the Council awarded the greater part of the Upper Silesian industrial district to Poland. Poland obtained almost exactly half of the 1,950,000 inhabitants, viz., 965,000, but not quite a third of the territory, i.e., only 3,214.26 km² (1,255 mi²) out of 10,950.89 km² (4,265 mi²) but more than 80% of the heavy industry of the region
 
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Have you guys thought of adding more generals for Germany and other majors overall?

What if generals had political affiliations? Or is that going too deep/making it more complicated?
 
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Those XP changes alone will do a lot for me and how I play, and should also benefit smaller factions more which can't just push on with massive manpower and roll in XP/traits. Now even small nations can have skilled generals, just not backed up by the massive manpower pools which is fine. Everyone can learn, no matter their size. Fair!
 
XP gain on commanders and divisions
  • Overruns (blocking retreating enemy paths) and shattered divisions (enemy that cannot escape) gives you a flat xp reward per unit that is destroyed.
  • The rate of XP gain per hour is reduced over time with max penalty at 1 month long battle (-90%)
  • The more damage you do relative to the enemy the better XP reward you get to compensate for those combats being relatively short (up to a 4x difference)

These changes alone are outstanding, I hope they apply to divisional experience as well.
 
These changes alone are outstanding, I hope they apply to divisional experience as well.
I am almost certain that Leader XP and Army XP is generated linearly based on Divisional XP. But indeed, it would be nice to have a dev confirm if that's the case.
 
Yeah, but now you can`t represent historical occupation pattern in balkans... :p
Not sure our map file can contain enough colors to represent that.

Have you guys thought of adding more generals for Germany and other majors overall?

What if generals had political affiliations? Or is that going too deep/making it more complicated?
It would be cool, but I fear it might be going too "deep" as you say.
Get into modding and do it yourself ;o)
 
I am almost certain that Leader XP and Army XP is generated linearly based on Divisional XP. But indeed, it would be nice to have a dev confirm if that's the case.

UNIT_EXPERIENCE_PER_COMBAT_HOUR = 0.0001
ARMY_LEADER_XP_GAIN_PER_UNIT_IN_COMBAT = 0.06
BASE_LEADER_TRAIT_GAIN_XP = 0.5
There is also the fact that Experience thresholds for divisions is ( 0, 0.1 , 0.3, 0.75 and 0.9) and as such you need 0.45 experience to get to the seasoned over regulars.
Some of the defines.
 
Doth mine eyes deceve me? they FIXED PRUSSIA?!

well if your doing that fix Eupen malmedy and north schleswig! also make some adjustments in France for cleaner expansion (both for the Reich and German Empire)
 
Have you guys thought of adding more generals for Germany and other majors overall?

What if generals had political affiliations? Or is that going too deep/making it more complicated?

Not to mention minors need more Generals and Field Marshals: having 2 Generals and zero Field Marshals as Finland doesn't an Army Group make. Really hope Mannerheim gets added as soon as possible, even though odds are more likely one will have to wait for a Nordic DLC for this.
 
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Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck added :)

This is a very good update:)