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[QUOTE="Hax, post: 24995265, member: 116120”]
How many times did I get scanned and spied upon?[/QUOTE]
I think I saw a spy report on you that sounded like a dud. You werent seer scanned as far as I know.
 
Bear scanned Hax night 7 and so between that and the guild's priest scan I thought he was 100% a goodie :O

I think the Christmas day victory condition was a nice idea, but it was too long to really make a difference. I think more like 12 days would have worked better and you could have done a 12 days of Christmas theme :O
 
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Thanks for hosting Panzer! I hope I didn't disappoint you with the lack of PM conversations. :)

How many times did I get scanned and spied upon?

Not at all! You were still the most active person in the game. Didn't reach the heights of the exhibition game but then I don't think anything ever will again :p

You were only scanned twice iirc, also once more with inf powers and once Horny claimed to scan you but obviously he didn't actually have any powers. You were spied on once I think. I'll have to check again once I get back to my laptop
 
Hax was priest scanned, that I do know.

In a normal game, that would've been your demise. :mad:
 
Thanks mr Panzer and GG for the winners.

Bad luck having Jeray as lover because somehow he managed to get almost lynched very soon :D.

Also when I died I was absolutely convinced about Aedan and Hax being baddies because I think that they, as goodies, wouldn't vote against me knowing that my story was, by any means, true. I frankly didn't understand the village there, to lynch a player when he's a very very likely villager (three players, in this case!) is never a good idea, even for protecting the sacred act of the outing. The players should always try to win ahead of everything else. Anyway there was no way to survive after that so even in the best case it was a waste.
 
And here I had Hax down as a near certain goodie, barring possible guild lying to me. Well that was unfortunate. Though I think I made a few more mistakes than that, especially in opposing the Caillean lynch on the day I got hunted seems like a really bad move in hindsight.

Anyway, I think the guild scan on me actually ended up being helpful since I now had access to more powers/people than I otherwise would've. I would've been dead anyway since Hax scanned me on the same night, but my SA only told me it was sorc without telling the source. What did I do that day to attract two scans at once? Especially since I would've had myself down as unlikely to be targetted by wolves because of the Nikk vote from before I became apprentice.

In case anyone's interested, this was the seer scan list:
0:hohoho, village, dead
1:k-59, villager
2:me, villager, turned apprentice later after GM realized mistake
3: Dedonus, villager
4:Capibara, wolf, dead
5:horny99, villager
6:Johho died, no scan :(
7: Hax, villager
8: distilled

Kind of curious what people thought about the alternative win condition (making it to the 25th). The sense I got from reading the game was that the village was pushing for that early and seriously hurt their chances by doing so, but I'd be interested in hearing player's thoughts on it. Did it play into many player's decisions or was it mostly ignored?
I basically ignored it, especially after we had a day or two with more than 2 dead people it was basically impossible to get there anymore.
 
Thanks mr Panzer and GG for the winners.

Bad luck having Jeray as lover because somehow he managed to get almost lynched very soon :D.

Also when I died I was absolutely convinced about Aedan and Hax being baddies because I think that they, as goodies, wouldn't vote against me knowing that my story was, by any means, true. I frankly didn't understand the village there, to lynch a player when he's a very very likely villager (three players, in this case!) is never a good idea, even for protecting the sacred act of the outing. The players should always try to win ahead of everything else. Anyway there was no way to survive after that so even in the best case it was a waste.
I legitimately thought Jeray had a strong possibility of being a wolf of the other pack. You were obviously a goodie, but that didn't really matter when the three of you were connected by being lovers.
 
BTW, was it supposed to be possible for the distiller to jsut screw over a player completely by distilling him every single night? I would expect that kind of thing would have a "don't target the same guy twice in a row" clause to stop a player from effectively getting stripped of all his powers because he keeps getting distilled all the time.
 
Thanks mr Panzer and GG for the winners.

Bad luck having Jeray as lover because somehow he managed to get almost lynched very soon :D.

Also when I died I was absolutely convinced about Aedan and Hax being baddies because I think that they, as goodies, wouldn't vote against me knowing that my story was, by any means, true. I frankly didn't understand the village there, to lynch a player when he's a very very likely villager (three players, in this case!) is never a good idea, even for protecting the sacred act of the outing. The players should always try to win ahead of everything else. Anyway there was no way to survive after that so even in the best case it was a waste.
No.

What you did was cheat, not game-technically but mental-judgement cheat. The only way to prevent people cheating through outings in future games is to smack down on it hard and fast. So long as fake outings are ALWAYS a death sentence, fewer people will do it, and it will only ever be a desperate move. Let one fake outer go, and the next person will think 'well my sob story is slightly worse than De Chatillon's but it's still pretty good, don't kill me!'.
 
BTW, was it supposed to be possible for the distiller to jsut screw over a player completely by distilling him every single night? I would expect that kind of thing would have a "don't target the same guy twice in a row" clause to stop a player from effectively getting stripped of all his powers because he keeps getting distilled all the time.
I admit, I hated it too.
 
No.

What you did was cheat, not game-technically but mental-judgement cheat. The only way to prevent people cheating through outings in future games is to smack down on it hard and fast. So long as fake outings are ALWAYS a death sentence, fewer people will do it, and it will only ever be a desperate move. Let one fake outer go, and the next person will think 'well my sob story is slightly worse than De Chatillon's but it's still pretty good, don't kill me!'.

It wasn't cheat by any mean.

And I don't agree with you, if I lynch or not someone depends of the fact that he convinces me with his story or not at that moment. That's the game. I guess I didn't convince enough people and that's ok, but there shouldn't be sacred things in a survival game if you play by the rules. In fact one of the rules of the game is that your game shouldn't depend of other games. Not in the past, neither in the future. So if you lynch someone thinking about "what will happen in future games if I let a player alive" is technically more against the rules than the fake outing.
 
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No.

What you did was cheat, not game-technically but mental-judgement cheat. The only way to prevent people cheating through outings in future games is to smack down on it hard and fast. So long as fake outings are ALWAYS a death sentence, fewer people will do it, and it will only ever be a desperate move. Let one fake outer go, and the next person will think 'well my sob story is slightly worse than De Chatillon's but it's still pretty good, don't kill me!'.
So we consider possible events in future games when determining the lynch target? That doesn't seem like it's the best thing the village could do if it wants to win this game. Fake outtings usually deserve punishment(because a goodie normally has no reason to make them), unless there's a good reason for the village not to lynch as was the case here. We should make the lynch that brings the village closer to victory, not lynch for meta-game reasons because someone might use it again in future games.

And to all the people that picked lover: why? What was the gain from getting yourself an extra way to die?
 
BTW, was it supposed to be possible for the distiller to jsut screw over a player completely by distilling him every single night? I would expect that kind of thing would have a "don't target the same guy twice in a row" clause to stop a player from effectively getting stripped of all his powers because he keeps getting distilled all the time.

I admit, I hated it too.
Those nights were legendary. We were doing shots, wine, beers, cocktails and we were singing songs, playing games, gossiping and just having a jolly good time together :)
 
So we consider possible events in future games when determining the lynch target? That doesn't seem like it's the best thing the village could do if it wants to win this game. Fake outtings usually deserve punishment(because a goodie normally has no reason to make them), unless there's a good reason for the village not to lynch as was the case here. We should make the lynch that brings the village closer to victory, not lynch for meta-game reasons because someone might use it again in future games.

And to all the people that picked lover: why? What was the gain from getting yourself an extra way to die?

I agree 100% with you. By the other way I picked lover because I had few points and I thought that could be funny :D. Well, I should say that all the situation created was somehow funny, trying to survive after a fake outing was a challenge. But I guess that I regretted the lover thing and I won't do it again :p
 
So we consider possible events in future games when determining the lynch target? That doesn't seem like it's the best thing the village could do if it wants to win this game. Fake outtings usually deserve punishment(because a goodie normally has no reason to make them), unless there's a good reason for the village not to lynch as was the case here. We should make the lynch that brings the village closer to victory, not lynch for meta-game reasons because someone might use it again in future games.

And to all the people that picked lover: why? What was the gain from getting yourself an extra way to die?
The fake outing was way at the start of this game. It needed punishing here, too. You think Sleepy would have hesitated to fake-out someone if we showed he could get away with it?

edited to add: and no, it's not fully rational only, I admit it.

Cheaters must be punished because they are cheaters, not only because it is immediately rational. But because the mind that will pursue cheaters even beyond reason is a far stronger tool at suppressing cheats.
 
The fake outing was way at the start of this game. It needed punishing here, too. You think Sleepy would have hesitated to fake-out someone if we showed he could get away with it?

edited to add: and no, it's not fully rational only, I admit it.

Cheaters must be punished because they are cheaters, not only because it is immediately rational. But because the mind that will pursue cheaters even beyond reason is a far stronger tool at suppressing cheats.

Again, it wasn't cheating at all and you have not the right to call me cheater. Next thing is to say that someone lying about being a villager in this game is a cheater too.
 
This was probably my first WW win, as a baddie and where De Chat difdid try to trick me
 
This game was a lot of fun while I was alive, and was still fun to follow even after I died. Thanks for hosting, Panzer!

Amused that the only baddie who voiced opposition to killing DeChat was a zombie. Simply killing the DeChat voters 1 by 1 would have been a fairly effective strategy.

In!
This time I swear I will stay active

Adamgerd the hunter alderman with a rival is zombie hunted by Cymsdale
He takes down his attacker with him, Cymsdale the zombie hunter + normal hunter villager

*facepalm*
 
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