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I have not actually ever seen any evidence for Japanese having particularly good optics, beyond that they tended to use large apartures and large base length rangefinders. If anything the technical mission reports talk poorly about lense quality (IIRC). Rangefinders, for example, also need stabilization (Japanese didn't have more than few experimental gyroscopes, unlike USN, so this had to be done manually, probably a seperate operator trying to keep a sight on visible horizon), vibration free mountings and anti-glare coating.
They never mounted effective fire-control radar aboard ship. They had couple of different air warning sets, a surface search set, and a surface search set jury rigged as a kind of make belive fire-control radar, but with too inaccurate parameters for the job.
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I do not understand why the article claims Japanese did not use computers, perhaps it's some definition issue? But then, Americans called their battleship main battery suites Rangekeepers, Computer Mark 1 was for the 5" guns. In any case, Japanese first purchased Barr & Stroud fire-control tables ("computers") off Britain in early '20s. All their 10 gun heavy cruisers had a fire-control table as built, the old battleships got one as modernized (IIRC, Type 92 on all accounts) and Yamato had the most comprehensive one (IIRC, Type 98). I see no reason to think it lost any to it's contemporary British versions of the Admiralty Fire Control Table (neither made the extensive use servomotors, gyroscope and IIRC synchros like the Americans did), which on HMS Belfast looks like this:
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"In history"? Definitely not. The cold-war-refitted Iowa's would annihilate it, because they were equipped with cruise missiles and advance ship to ship missiles.
As to whethe it would destroy contemporary battleships, it's hard to say.
The Yamato was kept in Truk during guadalcanal for good reason. The Japanese themself mocked her hotel Yamato.
Also notice how work on the Shinano stoped when Yamato had her trials.
I would put my money on any other somewhat modern American, British, French, Italian or German Battleship in a one vs one. Yamato shooting trials been so bad that I would even put my money on the Nagato. (I exaggerate here a bit)
Also notice how work on the Shinano stoped when Yamato had her trials.
I would put my money on any other somewhat modern American, British, French, Italian or German Battleship in a one vs one. Yamato shooting trials been so bad that I would even put my money on the Nagato. (I exaggerate here a bit)
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Dont be such a smartass. Op said BB vs BB. Yamato and Musashi been sunk by aircraft and to be fair it took alot of ordonance to knock them out. Their torpedo belts been amazing and they ate alot of 500 kg bombs. What cracked them been near misses by bombs which ruptured their underwater torpedo belt and armor.
Musashi took(propably) more than 25 torpedo hits and more than 35 bomb hits and near hits.She was attacked in 4 waves by more than 250 aircraft.
The POW was spent after 3 torpedo hits for example.
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In history is a pretty universal term, there's rail guns now. A cruiser armed with a rail gun would annihilate Yamato.
A Galleon with a kinetic shield generator and a black hole launcher would anihilate your cruiser.
And here's Nagato's Type 92 Shagekiban for comparison (as stated before, also shared by the 10 gun heavy cruisers and the other old battleships), supposedly similar to the transferred Barr & Stroud tech:
It was actually a Zero Punctuation reference from a pain killer review.
Alas. Just think of those armour plates we saw and imagine the destruction that 14-18 inch shells cause!
US Iowa class BBs most valuable asset is its War Room - a technological marvel for the age designed to allow the admiral to control the battle space and the assets of its assigned Task Force air wings. In reality, its AAA suite is far more likely to open fire than its main guns.
The US built 4 Iowa BB and 24 Essex class carriers. The Black Dragon, US New Jersey, would not close on Yamato; but the air wing of the carrier Task Force it controlled would sink both of these ‘super’ battleships long before they came into range. Which is exactly what happened historically.
There is a reason Yamamoto is quoted as saying that Japan would have been better off taking the money and resources poured into Yamato and building 1,000 Zeros.
Having said that, I’ll take the four Iowa’s with their 16” .50 cal Mark VII naval rifles and superlative fire control radar against the two massive Yamato’s and their powerful 18” rifles will give odds. Which would never happen, otherwise USS Montana would be sitting in San Diego right now.
The US built 4 Iowa BB and 24 Essex class carriers. The Black Dragon, US New Jersey, would not close on Yamato; but the air wing of the carrier Task Force it controlled would sink both of these ‘super’ battleships long before they came into range. Which is exactly what happened historically.
There is a reason Yamamoto is quoted as saying that Japan would have been better off taking the money and resources poured into Yamato and building 1,000 Zeros.
Having said that, I’ll take the four Iowa’s with their 16” .50 cal Mark VII naval rifles and superlative fire control radar against the two massive Yamato’s and their powerful 18” rifles will give odds. Which would never happen, otherwise USS Montana would be sitting in San Diego right now.
1000 Zeros would have been even more useless than the Yamatos.Not to mention lack of avitation fuel, pilots and different materials used.
Escort vessels instead would have been resources better spent like the Etorofu class. Considering crews and steel used you certainly get like 50-100 of those for Yamato/Musashi. Or another batch of Akizuki destroyers.
Cruise missiles and anti ship missiles are not designed to deal with battleship grade armored plates. They're designed for modern day ships that at best have a light cruiser level of protection