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Chapter 72: Death Comes Faster Than You Think (14 January – 23 November 898)
Chapter 72: Death Comes Faster Than You Think (14 January – 23 November 898)

Previously, on Blut und Schlacht death prowls the world; it comes in equal measure and with no mercy for the young and the old, the powerful and the weak, the good and the evil – often with no warning; but who will be taken next? Eilif thinks he has found a war to satisfy his Council – but can he secure the votes when the critical time comes? Tyueykezhut seeks to subjugate Barsbek the Liberator – but have his plans been compromised by the unexpected death of Saksa the Monster, leaving Barsbek to focus on him alone? And Hakon seems to be rather enjoying his ‘banishment by marriage’, having set himself up as an adventurer in Britannia.

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January-February 898

Old Hrörekr, still the Lawspeaker and convenor of the Þing, reported its wisdom and advice to the king as soon as it had concluded.

“Excellent, I will look to prosecute a conquest of Orsha next and let Tyuey make his own way against Barsbek.”

Eilif ordered the Huscarl Company over to Smaleskja, to form the focal point for the proposed mustering of levies and vassal allies for the campaign against Curonia. Subject of course to Council approval. Jarl Tyueykezhut’s large host (commanded by his new heir Shaman Kezhevat) was by then in Mozhasysk and heading to Bryansk, where one of Barsbek’s Chiefs had sent a small advance party, that seemed to be looping around to the north-east.

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A few weeks later, Eilif reviewed the tasks he had the council working on. As always, the Queen Mother remained in Constantinople, working hard to drag Garðarikian technology out of primitivism. The rest remained at important tasks: the Chancellor in Narva attempting to contrive a claim (in case Dyre stubbornly refused to die in custody); the Steward trying to settle Norse tribes-people in Ladoga; the Queen and Seeress bringing the light of Odin to Luki; while the Marshal was still in Pskov, having successfully seen to the arrest of Dyre. His work there was now done, so he was brought back to the capital to train the troops.

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The beginning of February brought the Yaroslavian army into contact with the regiment from Novgorod Seversky: they had been unable to escape before Tyuey’s men fell upon them. First blood to the wily Jarl!

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Agents in Mari reported on 7 February that the new High Chief Kinyak sought to build a war chest. Whether it may be for a reunification war or for some other adventure was of course unknown – but an attempt to rebuild Saksa’s realm was the most likely purpose.

During that cold February, tangible evidence of the march of new learning into Garðariki was revealed. Light infantry training in Ladoga improved [to Level 1] – very important in the ‘second county’ of the realm, which had a large levy, most of which was light infantry. And knowledge of castle infrastructure improved in Torzhok [also to Level 1], meaning improved buildings could be constructed – if Eilif were to assemble the money or prestige to build them. He was getting there, but really needed ships first to gain enough of those quickly enough, as his father had.

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Word came through that Barsbek had begun to call his vassals into the war with Tyuey by 20 February but by the 24th, the Yaroslavian commander Shaman Kezhevat had killed half of the detachment from Novgorod Seversky in Bryansk and sent the rest fleeing to the south, for relatively small loss. A good start for Tyuey’s campaign.

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March 898

By 17 March, the Huscarls were in Vyazma and nearing Smaleskja. Eilif was impatient and had called the full Council (with the Queen Mother’s proxy) to meet in Nygarðr. It was time to confirm the Council’s support for war with Curonia to conquer Orsha.

Eilif had been burned many times recently and assumed nothing. It was with some anxiety that he put the matter to a formal vote.

“All those who approve of war with High Chief Yudki for the conquest of Orsha, say ‘aye’” said the king quietly, after the Chancellor had read out the consequences of declaring war should they win, lose or be forced into a White Peace.

One by one, starting with Chancellor Tyuey to his right, each member gave a firm ‘aye’, finishing with his wife, the Queen and Seeress Ingrid, seated to his left. The vote was unanimous.

At last, Eilif thought, I have my war of conquest. Now I just have to win the thing. Though the memories of the disastrous war on Karelia remained etched on his memory, despite the later revenge of the raids there. So much could go wrong.

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“Hrolfr, summon my levies immediately and have then all gather in Smaleskja,” Hrolfr nodded – it was a well-worn routine. “Tyuey, issue formal calls to arms to all my vassals. But I will not expect you to divert from your war on Barsbek, even if you are prepared to honour the call.”

“Most gracious, My King. I will consider my position and reply in due course.” Hrolfr and Grimr, both present at the meeting, made the same pledge. All believed they would very likely respond in the affirmative (they always had in the past), but appreciated the niceties being observed.

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The first to reply was Tyuey himself, six days later. His note was short but welcome:

“Of course I will honour my obligation and my troops are yours should you require them.”

By that time, his main army was in Novgorod Seversky, putting it to siege. Barsbek’s main army, less than half the Yaroslavians’ strength, had arrived in Sugrov (having returned from the discontinued invasion of Mari). They were aiming to pass around Kezhevat and were heading for Bryansk. It would be a game of cat-and-mouse, by the looks of it.

The first Curonian troops were sighted in Orsha – a small company wisely retreating north-west towards Lepiel, no doubt to join up with compatriots coming from further west.

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Eilif’s reply to Tyuey was similarly brief, but thankful.

“You do me great honour, Jarl Tyueykezhut. I appreciate your offer but leave you free to continue your fight with Barsbek, in which I wish you the best of luck.”

The rest of the responses came in between 24 March and 1 April. As expected, Hrolfr and Grimr both agreed to send their forces – by now quite large levies. Grimr’s in particular, being so close, would be very useful in the initial stages. But a pleasant surprise was that Vihavald of Ingria, despite a slightly negative disposition towards Eilif, for the first time in many a year summoned the Ingrian levy to the cause! And Eilif’s nephew Buðli also proved his worth, mustering his by now fair-sized levy for the fight. All four were directed to concentrate their forces on the main army, which was assembling around the Huscarls, who by now were in Smaleskja, with Grimr’s main regiment.

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As arranged, Tyuey was left with free rein to pursue his own business. This time Tihomir of Luki declined to come this time, though his response the previous time mitigated any ill-will that might have otherwise been engendered. All in all, Eilif was very well pleased: all that hard work to keep a good reputation and relationships with his vassals was paying off in their support for the just war of conquest on Orsha, which all agreed was rightfully a part of Garðariki. [Though perhaps not anyone outside the realm!]

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April 898

On 21 April, reports were received that High Chief Yudki had begun to call his own vassals to arms, starting with Chieftess Saule of Grodno. Word was that Saule had accepted that day and Chief Sarunas of Lepiel did on 25 April. The Christian Chief Kerpycius of Podlasie reportedly declined, however.

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As this news filtered in, momentous tidings came from far to the West: King Rögnvaldr the Victorious of Noregr, who was fighting a war of conquest against Scotland, had apparently been captured in battle and was now the prisoner of King Hugh the Fat of Scotland! It seemed he had been badly wounded in the process. Hugh now had Rögnvaldr over the proverbial barrel [100% war score]. Surely he would force the Norwegians into a shameful peace as a result?

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By 26 April, Eilif’s advance guard, consisting of the Huscarls (led by Þorsteinn) and Grimr’s main Smaleskjan company, had arrived in Orsha to begin the siege there. More of Eilif’s personal levies and those of the vassals who had answered the call remained further back. Small contingents of Curonian troops had begun to assemble in Lepiel. Tyuey and Barsbek conducted opposing sieges in each others’ territory.

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May 898

In early May, events in the two wars – with Curonia and Chernigov – began to pick up in pace. In the west, Chief Kerpycius, despite reports to the contrary, seemed to have joined his liege after all – and commanded over 1,400 men, who he now marched east across Latgale towards Polotsk, threatening to outflank the attack on Orsha and strike at the Garðarikian heartland. Unlike in previous campaigns, Eilif – a formidable enough military man – had accompanied his forces to the front. He did not intend to engage in combat but had decided he should coordinate the movements of the various forces moving separately around the kingdom. The main-guard of almost 2,000 troops was by now in Smaleskja, due to arrive in Orsha between 8 and 28 May. In the south, Shaman Kezhevat had completed the Yaroslavian occupation of Novgorod Seversky and now marched back to confront the Chernigovans in Bryansk, in what he hoped would be the decisive battle of the war.

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Ch72 Q1: Chief Kerpycius. Kerpycius declined Yudki’s call to arms and is not listed as a combatant in the war score screen. But he is in the field, commanding a ‘Curonian’ army. At first I thought this might just be him as a commander or marshal (I checked and he is one of Yudki’s commanders) in charge of forces, not necessarily his own troops. But checking his character screen, it shows him as ‘defending against King Eilif the Just in Garðarikian Conquest of Orsha’. The mouseover didn’t actually specify whether his own levy was present. What is the experts’ read of what is happening here? Just Kerpycius in his capacity as a commander, or would his levies also be participating?

A couple of weeks after his capture, Rögnvaldr had been released by Hugh the Fat! There was no report of a ransom having been paid. But in addition to his recent maiming, Rögnvaldr had apparently returned stressed – and without his balls! Rather than forcing a peace on Noregr, King Hugh had practiced the same barbarity on Rögnvaldr as had been inflicted on Rurik back in Italy after he was captured on a raid. What was it with these Christians? They called themselves Kings and Dukes but were nothing but honourless heathen savages. Rögnvaldr had been brought low by this but the war continued. Only time would tell if Hugh had squandered an opportunity to end it on favourable terms.

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In more news from the west of Europa, Hakon had popped up with his host in the Irish county of Connachta, plundering it and capturing many prisoners in the process, which he would ransom off in following days and weeks. The ugly brute was still trying to kill Sölvi Sverkersson, now one of Eilif’s commanders in the Curonian War.

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And Hintsa the Spider of Häme was trying to shore up his position – whether against potential Swedish or Garðarikian aggression – by forming an alliance with Kemi.

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As the month drew to a close, both wars were hotting up. The main army under Þorsteinn, numbering almost 3,000 including both of Grimr’s companies, was investing Orsha. Sölvi had command of the remaining forces, which were assembling in Smaleskja. The detachments of Vihavald, Hrolfr and Buðli were now ordered to report to him. Once assembled, they would deal with the Curonians who already had a small advance guard in Vitebsk (one of Grimr’s two counties), where their main force was heading under Kerpycius. In the south, the Battle of Bryansk had started on 24 May. By 30 May, the Yaroslavians seemed to be getting the upper hand, with double the enemy's numbers and Chernigovan morale falling, their right flank in retreat.

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By that time, the siege of Orsha was about one-third complete: with the enemy garrison ten-to-one, it was predicted the siege would be over in about another three or four weeks. While tempted to assault, Þorsteinn was under orders to avoid unnecessary casualties.

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June 898

The complex campaigns went to the next level in June. On 13 June, Orsha fell. The Curonians had almost 1,600 men concentrated in Vitebsk - but instead of besieging it, they headed on towards Toropets, in the Holmgarðian heartland, with another contingent following on from Polotsk. Buðli was in Torzhok and heading – unwittingly – into an ambush in Toropets, where they would be outnumbered three-to-one. Specific move orders could not be issued [otherwise I would have halted them in Torzhok]. The best that could be done was to cancel the order to join Sölvi in Smaleskja and hope they might find a way around the Curonians. Sölvi still waited for the Ingrian and Vladimiran regiments to join him before he would have the strength to attack Kerpycius himself. With Orsha secured, Eilif ordered Þorsteinn to now march north to Vitebsk: Kerpycius would be gone four days before they would arrive, but they might intercept the Curonian rear-guard and could then be in a position to follow up against Kerpycius if necessary.

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In the south, the Battle of Bryansk had taken an unexpected turn. Even though the Yaroslavians still had the advantage in overall numbers, the Chernigovan centre seemed to have defeated their opposite division and had now seen off the Yaroslavian left flank as well. It came down to a battle between the enemy’s centre and Shaman Kezhevat’s left flank – but Yaroslavian morale had plummeted.

Ten days later, Buðli’s levy was in Toropets and making for Vyazma – but they would be too late. The Curonians would hit them before they could escape. Eilif hoped it was not too much of a slaughter, as he had come to respect his nephew for remaining a loyal and uncomplaining Jarl. Perhaps he may delay Kerpycius long enough for Sölvi and then Þorsteinn to catch them. Conversely, the enemy’s rear-guard would be caught in Vitebsk before they could escape: a river defence would not be enough for them to resist around seven times their number. In Bryansk, Tyuey’s men had been defeated, despite outnumbering their enemy by well over two-to-one. Kezhevat was no longer in command, with Chief Setyamka leading the retreat. Tyuey had suffered his first real defeat since he had been subjugated by Rurik years before.

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Ch72 Q2. Battle of Bryansk. It must have been one of those battles where a very strong centre manages to win against three more evenly sized divisions, and while the Chernigovans didn’t have a large advantage in heavy infantry, they had started with 300 light cavalry and 85 heavy cavalry – perhaps they had made the difference, in combination with the other arms. That’s my guess, anyway.

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July 898

In early July, Kerpycius had arrived in Toropets to ambush the Belo Ozero contingent, while Þorsteinn was soon wreaking similar destruction on the Curonians left behind in Vitebsk. By 5 July, both battles were nearing their end. Sölvi’s secondary army was finally assembled, with Eilif ordering them to march north to strike Kerpycius in Toropets: Buðli’s and his brave warriors would be avenged. Chernigov had completed the siege of Bryansk and now besieged the temple there.

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By 9 July, the enemy had fled in Vitebsk and were being pursued. The same was happening to Buðli’s men in Toropets. On 13 July, Buðli (who was commanding his troops personally) had been defeated, fleeing to Vyazma after having lost almost 200 of his 544 men [no battle screen popped up as it was a vassal-only battle].

The Curonians now made for the capital of Holmgarðr. They were due to arrive on 7 August, but Sölvi would strike them well before they could make it there. Buðli’s fight had delayed the enemy sufficiently – their sacrifice would not have been in vain. Þorsteinn meanwhile had despatched the Curonian force in Vitebsk – a slaughter, with 155 enemy killed for on six Garðarikians. They too made for Toropets, where they would arrive eight days after Sölvi, hopefully in time to catch Kerpycius in the flank. The casualty report from the Buðli’s Battle of Starya Russa came in: he had lost 196 men for 24 Curonians. But Eilif assured his nephew, who had survived the battle, that the enemy would pay many times over in the end.

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The next day, news came from the west that Rögnvaldr the Victorious had lost his final fight: maimed, castrated and depressed, he had died on 15 July. His son Olafr had succeeded him, but half of his father’s titles had gone to others. The war against Scotland continued, carried on in the father’s name by the son. Eilif wondered whether Hugh regretted having missed an opportunity to end it when he could have.

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“There they are!” cried Sölvi as the enemy were sighted in Toropets on 24 July. “Have at them – their filthy heathen boots despoil our fine soil. Let their blood water our pastures instead. Odin owns them all. Forward!”

He charged bravely, with the vassal levies reinforcing his very strong centre flank. Kerpycius, facing him, was a wily commander but badly outnumbered. He could only hope his own flank commanders defeated their opposites and helped him before he was forced to retreat.

Six days later, Sölvi’s left flank had collapsed and the right was failing, though he was slowly gaining the upper edge in the centre. But he knew something Kerpycius did not: Þorsteinn was due to arrive with the main Garðarikian army any day now.

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The first phase of the Battle of Toropets raged, when Eilif received a pleasant surprise. Without any action having been taken to force it, the population of Toropets had embraced Norse culture! They became the first in the realm outside Holmgarðr itself to do so. They must have been inspired by the spectacle of the battle and the Norse warriors come to save them. [A coincidence I suppose, but a pretty amazing one if it is!]

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The next day, Þorsteinn arrived with almost 3,000 fresh troops – the second phase of the Battle of Toropets had begun.

“Norselander!” was the cry as the massed levies of Eilif and Grimr smashed into the Curonians’ flank.

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August 898

The reinforcements swelled the Garðarikian centre to over 3,000 troops, who redoubled their efforts and began pushing forward harder. The two flanks now handily outnumbered their opposites, while the new commanders each had an edge over their respective opponents. [The A-Team was in town now!] By 2 August, the Curonian centre was in retreat, with Þorsteinn pursuing. A week later, the enemy’s left followed, while the Garðarikian left fought at close quarters with the Curonian right. On 15 August, the last enemy stragglers were being pursued off the battlefield.

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While the battle raged in Toropets, reports of the new King of Noregr began to emerge. It seemed he had declared his ambition to become a Paragon of Virtue – while focusing on seduction in his private life! Fine for a Germanic ruler, it was supposed. Those heathen Christians wouldn’t have approved, though. Olafr was carrying forward the war on Hugh the Fat – and now seemed to be winning. If he ever got his hands on Hugh, it was speculated a Blood Eagle could be on the cards as retribution for what he had done to Olafr’s father.

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Victory was declared in Toropets on 17 August – and it was a decisive one. The war was now moving heavily in Eilif’s favour – the Second Battle of Starya Russa [+41% warscore for that alone] satisfactorily revenged Buðli’s earlier misfortune and was a fitting celebration of the county adopting Norse culture. Eilif sent Þorsteinn west to besiege Zemgale while Sölvi would make for Lepiel, where he could also shadow the retreating Curonians.

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On 25 August Buðli’s regiments had finished retreating and recovered sufficiently to be ordered once again to join Sölvi. It would take him some time to make it there from Ryazan, on the eastern border with Mordva. The Yaroslavian army was retreating to Pskov at that point, though Tyuey still held Novgorod Seversky while Barsbek sought to complete the second siege in Bryansk [warscore now 12% in Barsbek’s favour after his victory in Bryansk].

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September-October 898

Chief Setyamka rallied the Yaroslavian army in Pskov on 2 September and they started their long march back south again – no doubt bent on revenging themselves on the Chernigovans. Towards the end of that month, word came that Hakon had managed to loot the Tuadhmhumhain tribe of over 16 gold. He seemed to make quite a bold and successful adventurer. Sölvi had begun his siege of Lepiel, Barsbek had fully occupied Bryansk and was back in Novgorod Seversky to retake it. And previously unnoticed, one of his vassals had taken a smaller force up to Tyuey’s capital of Yaroslavl and had taken it! Tyuey’s subjugation attempt was now in serious trouble, as his army made the long trek south – it was still in Luki by the end of September.

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The retreating Curonians had finally rallied in Zemgale by 22 October – and were in danger of being ambushed by Þorsteinn! They headed towards Vilnius and would escape eight days before Þorsteinn – who was actually more interested in taking the county than engaging an already beaten enemy in the field - got there.

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That same day, Barsbeck completed his reoccupation of Novgorod Seversky and headed back to Bryansk, with Setyamka closing in with over 3,300 Yaroslavians, by then in Toropets and heading towards Vyazma.

Meanwhile, Hakon must have gained access to ships, as he was next reported to be in Bremen, boldly raiding the Danish enclave there!

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This made Eilif think of his old Novgorodian Band, the Garðarikian mercenaries last seen in Frankia, fighting for the Muslims and down to barely 150 men. Dan af Belo Ozero still commanded them and was now known as ‘the Frog’!

“I wonder how he managed to get a nickname like that,” mused Eilif to Gumarich one cold evening in late October.

“I’m sure an interesting story lies behind it, Sire. He is now apparently residing in Saraqusta but is off-contract at present. The Band’s strength has recovered and now sits at over 1,500 men once more.”

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Ch72 Q3: Novgorodian Band – Sign-on Fee. I suspect I’ve kind of asked this question before, but now they are available for hire again … I know the monthly remittance of fees comes back to Eilif, but what of the one-off 151.3 gold sign-on fee if Eilif were to hire his ‘own’ mercenary band? Does that go to Dan/the band personally (ie is not recovered, in full or part)?

With the end of October, the routine work of sieges went on in Curonia, their reduced army was watched but ignored as it swung to the south of Sölvi in Lepiel. The main action was now back in the south again, as Setyamka approached Bryansk, seeking a rematch with Barsbek, who was now also heading there. They were due to meet on 22 November. Tyuey desperately needed a victory to reverse the course of his failing attempt to subjugate the resilient Barsbek.

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November 898

Sölvi won the siege of Lepiel Tribe on 18 November. With the surviving Curonian troops circling around to his south, he proceeded to begin reducing the temple holding of Chashniki. The siege of the tribal fort in Zemgale was only in its early stages.

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As the war against Curonia proceeded according to plan, Eilif received shocking and surprising news: his sister Queen Ulfhildr of Sviþjod had perished of pneumonia. She was only 23 – way too young to die. She had produced an heir for Eirikr the Depraved, but the non-aggression pact the marriage had brought was ended. Eilif was not sure whether that was a good or a bad thing: it did mean that the recently seized maritime counties in Estonia and Finland were in play, also any Germanic holy sites under Swedish control. But Sviþjod remained powerful and any future war against them would be a stern test. In any case, Eilif now had just two living siblings: and one of them in the oubliette where it was hoped he would die. Perhaps it was better that the Queen Mother had been far away in Constantinople all these years: she had now outlived two of her five children (Helgi being the bastard son of Rurik from a previous woman, whose name was lost to history).

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There was better news the following day: Eilif had completed his language studies with his Chancellor, to the benefit of his learning and diplomatic skills. He may remain completely naïve about matters of espionage, but Eilif was slowly surmounting his ‘dullness’ to become a generally competent ruler – greatly aided by a brilliant wife and able Councillors.

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The Yaroslavian army had arrived in Bryansk on 22 November, only to find that Barsbek had stayed in Novgorod Seversky after all, avoiding another battle in Bryansk. He also seemed to have lost – or had sent away – around 300 troops. With almost two-to-one numerical superiority and sensing fear in the enemy, Setyamka struck south. He was confident in his superior numbers – including around 170 light cavalry of his own - and the enemy's apparent fear of a fight. The battle was due to commence on 13 December.

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Questions

Ch72 Q1: Chief Kerpycius. Kerpycius declined Yudki’s call to arms and is not listed as a combatant in the war score screen. But he is in the field, commanding a ‘Curonian’ army. At first I thought this might just be him as a commander or marshal (I checked and he is one of Yudki’s commanders) in charge of forces, not necessarily his own troops. But checking his character screen, it shows him as ‘defending against King Eilif the Just in Garðarikian Conquest of Orsha’. The mouseover didn’t actually specify whether his own levy was present. What is the experts’ read of what is happening here? Just Kerpycius in his capacity as a commander, or would his levies also be participating?

Ch72 Q2. Battle of Bryansk. It must have been one of those battles where a very strong centre manages to win against three more evenly sized divisions, and while the Chernigovans didn’t have a large advantage in heavy infantry, they had started with 300 light cavalry and 85 heavy cavalry – perhaps they had made the difference, in combination with the other arms. That’s my guess, anyway.

Ch72 Q3: Novgorodian Band – Sign-on Fee. I suspect I’ve kind of asked this question before, but now they are available for hire again … I know the monthly remittance of fees comes back to Eilif, but what of the one-off 151.3 gold sign-on fee if Eilif were to hire his ‘own’ mercenary band? Does that go to Dan/the band personally (ie is not recovered, in full or part)?

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Death came in royal halls and on the battlefield alike, quicker than any of those who suffered it believed it would. But no deaths were better than those of the many Curonian heathens who fell at the Second Battle of Starya Russa in 898 AD. Made even more glorious by the adoption of Norse ways by the people of Toropets at the critical point of the battle. Blood and battle were never better!
 
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Certainly an eventful chapter here. The war for Orsha goes well despite a few hiccups, and while it's probably not overall a good thing that Jarl Tyuey is losing his war I'm sure Eilif is (discreetly) taking some small comfort in the fact that the man's levies have been thinned out a bit.

Ch72 Q1: Chief Kerpycius. Kerpycius declined Yudki’s call to arms and is not listed as a combatant in the war score screen. But he is in the field, commanding a ‘Curonian’ army. At first I thought this might just be him as a commander or marshal (I checked and he is one of Yudki’s commanders) in charge of forces, not necessarily his own troops. But checking his character screen, it shows him as ‘defending against King Eilif the Just in Garðarikian Conquest of Orsha’. The mouseover didn’t actually specify whether his own levy was present. What is the experts’ read of what is happening here? Just Kerpycius in his capacity as a commander, or would his levies also be participating?

That sounds like what's most likely going on here. Vassals of a lord at war still get the marker on their character page and can be called upon to command even if they aren't direct participants themselves -- probably a UI holdover from the standard / feudal mechanics.

Ch72 Q2. Battle of Bryansk. It must have been one of those battles where a very strong centre manages to win against three more evenly sized divisions, and while the Chernigovans didn’t have a large advantage in heavy infantry, they had started with 300 light cavalry and 85 heavy cavalry – perhaps they had made the difference, in combination with the other arms. That’s my guess, anyway.

That sounds like what most likely happened here, perhaps with a little help from one side having better commanders or the other having worse rolls for flank tactics (there are a few really bad ones that commanders with certain traits can get that actually result in their troops performing worse than usual, and the chances are even higher if they have a low Martial skill to boot).

Ch72 Q3: Novgorodian Band – Sign-on Fee. I suspect I’ve kind of asked this question before, but now they are available for hire again … I know the monthly remittance of fees comes back to Eilif, but what of the one-off 151.3 gold sign-on fee if Eilif were to hire his ‘own’ mercenary band? Does that go to Dan/the band personally (ie is not recovered, in full or part)?

Not really sure about this one, to be honest. The wiki doesn't specify beyond saying "the band will pay 15% of its income into your treasury," and unfortunately doesn't specify whether that includes the initial hiring fee.

Dan af Belo Ozero still commanded them and was now known as ‘the Frog’!

“I wonder how he managed to get a nickname like that,” mused Eilif to Gumarich one cold evening in late October.

This one's simple -- it's because he's Ugly :p
 
I'm sure Hakon might be thinking that plotting to murder the king was the best thing he's ever done. Not because it succeeded, on the contrary :p!
Scottish kings on the other hand somehow have a tendency to be brutal... poor Rögnvaldr. At least his son may be able to avenge him - in the same war, no less.

In personal news, Eilif is doing fairly well for himself. The war goes well, Toropets turned Norse, he's a capable enough king. Good times overall, even if Ulfhildr died (an opportunity, after all) and Tyuey lost his first battle.

Ch72 Q1: Chief Kerpycius. Kerpycius declined Yudki’s call to arms and is not listed as a combatant in the war score screen. But he is in the field, commanding a ‘Curonian’ army. At first I thought this might just be him as a commander or marshal (I checked and he is one of Yudki’s commanders) in charge of forces, not necessarily his own troops. But checking his character screen, it shows him as ‘defending against King Eilif the Just in Garðarikian Conquest of Orsha’. The mouseover didn’t actually specify whether his own levy was present. What is the experts’ read of what is happening here? Just Kerpycius in his capacity as a commander, or would his levies also be participating?
Yeah, he's just Yudki's commander, having left his own forces out of the war. The tooltip shows all the participants, and Kerpycius isn't listed as one.

Ch72 Q2. Battle of Bryansk. It must have been one of those battles where a very strong centre manages to win against three more evenly sized divisions, and while the Chernigovans didn’t have a large advantage in heavy infantry, they had started with 300 light cavalry and 85 heavy cavalry – perhaps they had made the difference, in combination with the other arms. That’s my guess, anyway.
As a liberator, Barsbek has a high quality army and is an excellent commander himself. Add to that the fact that Tyuey's tribal army is far weaker once it is out of the skirmish phase, and you have his victory. Perhaps Tyuey's men will win round two though.

Ch72 Q3: Novgorodian Band – Sign-on Fee. I suspect I’ve kind of asked this question before, but now they are available for hire again … I know the monthly remittance of fees comes back to Eilif, but what of the one-off 151.3 gold sign-on fee if Eilif were to hire his ‘own’ mercenary band? Does that go to Dan/the band personally (ie is not recovered, in full or part)?
Not sure about that, though I would guess it isn't treated any differently than other merc income.
 
A great episode with a lot of (much missed) fighting!

At last, Eilif thought, I have my war of conquest. Now I just have to win the thing. Though the memories of the disastrous war on Karelia remained etched on his memory, despite the later revenge of the raids there. So much could go wrong.
He'll do great. I trust him :)

Ch72 Q1: Chief Kerpycius. Kerpycius declined Yudki’s call to arms and is not listed as a combatant in the war score screen. But he is in the field, commanding a ‘Curonian’ army. At first I thought this might just be him as a commander or marshal (I checked and he is one of Yudki’s commanders) in charge of forces, not necessarily his own troops. But checking his character screen, it shows him as ‘defending against King Eilif the Just in Garðarikian Conquest of Orsha’. The mouseover didn’t actually specify whether his own levy was present. What is the experts’ read of what is happening here? Just Kerpycius in his capacity as a commander, or would his levies also be participating?
I'd say his levy is not there and he's there as a commander, but not being really sure. A decline should be a decline in my opinion.

Ch72 Q2. Battle of Bryansk. It must have been one of those battles where a very strong centre manages to win against three more evenly sized divisions, and while the Chernigovans didn’t have a large advantage in heavy infantry, they had started with 300 light cavalry and 85 heavy cavalry – perhaps they had made the difference, in combination with the other arms. That’s my guess, anyway.
Very strong centre without flanks to at least stand their ground against enemy flanks is actually a bad setup but if he had the flanks that at least delayed the flanks of Tyuey while having an overwhelming center that might've been it. Also, light infantry is really useless and heavy cavalry is really powerful so what happened might be quantity vs quality as well.

They too made for Toropets, where they would arrive eight days after Sölvi, hopefully in time to catch Kerpycius in the flank
No risk of not being able to join the battle like HoI3 :)

The first phase of the Battle of Toropets raged, when Eilif received a pleasant surprise. Without any action having been taken to force it, the population of Toropets had embraced Norse culture! They became the first in the realm outside Holmgarðr itself to do so. They must have been inspired by the spectacle of the battle and the Norse warriors come to save them. [A coincidence I suppose, but a pretty amazing one if it is!]
a piece of land becomes our motherland by the blood of the warriors spilt upon it...

Meanwhile, Hakon must have gained access to ships, as he was next reported to be in Bremen, boldly raiding the Danish enclave there!
So many heathens around, and he's looting a fellow Norseman. He really has something wrong up there.

Ch72 Q3: Novgorodian Band – Sign-on Fee. I suspect I’ve kind of asked this question before, but now they are available for hire again … I know the monthly remittance of fees comes back to Eilif, but what of the one-off 151.3 gold sign-on fee if Eilif were to hire his ‘own’ mercenary band? Does that go to Dan/the band personally (ie is not recovered, in full or part)?
I think you'll get back 15% of it but don't trust this info if there's other people replying :)

The Yaroslavian army had arrived in Bryansk on 22 November, only to find that Barsbek had stayed in Novgorod Seversky after all, avoiding another battle in Bryansk. He also seemed to have lost – or had sent away – around 300 troops. With almost two-to-one numerical superiority and sensing fear in the enemy, Setyamka struck south. He was confident in his superior numbers – including around 170 light cavalry of his own - and the enemy's apparent fear of a fight. The battle was due to commence on 13 December.
Ahh I wonder how this one would end
 
Well, the Scots have been learning all the virtues of civilisation I see.
 
I have no insight on these questions, but am still reading.
 
Military Folkmote – November 898 (a summary of advice from Chapter 72)
Military Folkmote – November 898 (a summary of advice from Chapter 72)

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Certainly an eventful chapter here. The war for Orsha goes well despite a few hiccups, and while it's probably not overall a good thing that Jarl Tyuey is losing his war I'm sure Eilif is (discreetly) taking some small comfort in the fact that the man's levies have been thinned out a bit.
Eilif will privately be hoping it’s a close run victory to Barsbek. For the reasons you give, and so he can have a go himself at a subjugation perhaps against an exhausted ‘Liberator’.
This one's simple -- it's because he's Ugly :p
Poor old Dan – though I imagine he bears the nickname as a badge of honour! :D
I'm sure Hakon might be thinking that plotting to murder the king was the best thing he's ever done. Not because it succeeded, on the contrary :p!

Scottish kings on the other hand somehow have a tendency to be brutal... poor Rögnvaldr. At least his son may be able to avenge him - in the same war, no less.

In personal news, Eilif is doing fairly well for himself. The war goes well, Toropets turned Norse, he's a capable enough king. Good times overall, even if Ulfhildr died (an opportunity, after all) and Tyuey lost his first battle.
As long as it is far off, Eilif doesn’t mind if Hakon has a bit of fun – and dies a glorious death doing it! o_O
A great episode with a lot of (much missed) fighting!
Thank you! Yes, it’s a real drag when there isn’t sufficient Blood and Battle. Makes me feel guilty of false advertising! ;)
He'll do great. I trust him :)
Eilif appreciates it – the raids against Karelia gave him a lot more confidence – he is growing into the role.
No risk of not being able to join the battle like HoI3 :)
And that is a relief! :)
a piece of land becomes our motherland by the blood of the warriors spilt upon it...
Yes, it was a great moment! Also, I realised later, the Crown Focus had been on Toropets for some time. I don’t think it has any impact on things like counties turning to the state religion, but if it does, I’m sure someone will let me know!
So many heathens around, and he's looting a fellow Norseman. He really has something wrong up there.
Yes, Hakon may well have ‘a kangaroo loose in the top paddock’, but it seems to be working for him. And if he gets captured and killed or horribly maimed by the King of Denmark? Well, no tears being shed or ransoms paid in Nygarðr!
Ahh I wonder how this one would end
You will find out soon how the Yaroslavians fare this time – it’s a pretty interesting war they are having and I wish I had more first hand info on their battles, but am following as best I can.
Well, the Scots have been learning all the virtues of civilisation I see.
They certainly have! I wonder if Hugh will get the same treatment as the Ragnarrsons administered when this happened to their father! Olafr seems like he wants to try … :eek:
I have no insight on these questions, but am still reading.
And it is certainly most appreciated. :)

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Ch72 Q1: Chief Kerpycius. Kerpycius declined Yudki’s call to arms and is not listed as a combatant in the war score screen. But he is in the field, commanding a ‘Curonian’ army. At first I thought this might just be him as a commander or marshal (I checked and he is one of Yudki’s commanders) in charge of forces, not necessarily his own troops. But checking his character screen, it shows him as ‘defending against King Eilif the Just in Garðarikian Conquest of Orsha’. The mouseover didn’t actually specify whether his own levy was present. What is the experts’ read of what is happening here? Just Kerpycius in his capacity as a commander, or would his levies also be participating?
That sounds like what's most likely going on here. Vassals of a lord at war still get the marker on their character page and can be called upon to command even if they aren't direct participants themselves -- probably a UI holdover from the standard / feudal mechanics.
Yeah, he's just Yudki's commander, having left his own forces out of the war. The tooltip shows all the participants, and Kerpycius isn't listed as one.
I'd say his levy is not there and he's there as a commander, but not being really sure. A decline should be a decline in my opinion.
Thanks all – that seems to confirm what I eventually worked out. Useful to know for subsequent situations.

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Ch72 Q2. Battle of Bryansk. It must have been one of those battles where a very strong centre manages to win against three more evenly sized divisions, and while the Chernigovans didn’t have a large advantage in heavy infantry, they had started with 300 light cavalry and 85 heavy cavalry – perhaps they had made the difference, in combination with the other arms. That’s my guess, anyway.
That sounds like what most likely happened here, perhaps with a little help from one side having better commanders or the other having worse rolls for flank tactics (there are a few really bad ones that commanders with certain traits can get that actually result in their troops performing worse than usual, and the chances are even higher if they have a low Martial skill to boot).
Thanks - always a little harder to tell when you can't follow the conflict first hand. And Eilif does want to know, in case he finds himself fighting Barsbek soon, if Tyuey can't win his subjugation (which is looking a bit rocky at present).
As a liberator, Barsbek has a high quality army and is an excellent commander himself. Add to that the fact that Tyuey's tribal army is far weaker once it is out of the skirmish phase, and you have his victory. Perhaps Tyuey's men will win round two though.
Thanks – useful background. And round two will come soon enough …
Very strong centre without flanks to at least stand their ground against enemy flanks is actually a bad setup but if he had the flanks that at least delayed the flanks of Tyuey while having an overwhelming center that might've been it. Also, light infantry is really useless and heavy cavalry is really powerful so what happened might be quantity vs quality as well.
Sounds like it was – though the result was close. Tyuey seemed on top at first but then fell away. It will give him (and his army commander) some hope for next time.

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Ch72 Q3: Novgorodian Band – Sign-on Fee. I suspect I’ve kind of asked this question before, but now they are available for hire again … I know the monthly remittance of fees comes back to Eilif, but what of the one-off 151.3 gold sign-on fee if Eilif were to hire his ‘own’ mercenary band? Does that go to Dan/the band personally (ie is not recovered, in full or part)?
Not really sure about this one, to be honest. The wiki doesn't specify beyond saying "the band will pay 15% of its income into your treasury," and unfortunately doesn't specify whether that includes the initial hiring fee.
Not sure about that, though I would guess it isn't treated any differently than other merc income.
I think you'll get back 15% of it but don't trust this info if there's other people replying :)
OK, so probably a discount for hiring your own band, but not an enormous one. I’m sure I’ll test it out at some point – but for now, Eilif is counting the pennies. He needs those ships and rich raids!!!

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Thanks for the excellent comments – it was a shorter and simpler set of questions this time, mainly battle-related, so a full Þing did not need to be called. A Military Folkmote instead, as Rurik often used to do when on campaign or raid – in the ‘good old days’! Next session played, in process of writing up.
 
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Chapter 73: Ambitions (23 November 898 – 1 March 899)
Chapter 73: Ambitions (23 November 898 – 1 March 899)

Previously, on Blut und Schlacht Eilif’s war on Curonia is approaching its final stages but is not over yet as the Curonians attempt to strike back; Jarl Tyuey, put out by his first narrow loss against Barsbek the Liberator, sends his army back under a new commander for revenge and to get his subjugation attempt back on track; Eilif is still thinking of options to make his council more compliant – their glory-seeking is making his expansion plans more difficult than they should be; and will the recent death of Eilif’s sister, the Queen of Sviþjod, lead to a clash of Norse royal ambitions now that the family bond has been lost? Or will peace between them prevail?

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November 898

The Curonian and Chernigovan campaigns remained in full flight. In the south, Chief Setyamka had arrived in Bryansk on 23 November to find the Chernigovans had halted in Novgorod Seversky, avoiding a fight. The Yaroslavians had decided to press their numerical superiority and marched to attack them. In the west, Þorsteinn besieged Zemgale. Sölvi sought to complete the occupation of Lepiel, while Jarl Buðli marched to join him, having rallied his companies and brought them back from the east. But the (reduced but recovered) Curonian army had arrived in Minsk on 26 November and now aimed to hit Orsha, where it would arrive the day Buðli would have been due to leave it.

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Given the siege of Chashniki in Lepiel had barely begun, Sölvi lifted it and marched to Orsha: if Buðli was caught, he would only have to hold out three days before the Garðarikian army would rescue him and smash the Curonians, who would be attacking across a small river. Leaving Buðli swinging in the wind twice would not be fair - or just.

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Far away from the fighting, Jarl Tyueykezhut was in Narva. Trying to find a claim on the county against Eilif’s imprisoned brother Dyre. And he was fuming – his reform plans were being thwarted. The pleasures of having Chief Ukko once again were made plain. He was the gift that kept on taking!

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December 898

By 3 December, the Curonians had discovered Sölvi’s move and had halted in Minsk, trying to swing behind Sölvi and slip into Lepiel. Buðli would now be safe and Orsha left unscathed. But that wasn’t enough for Sölvi: he wanted the Curonians put out of action for the rest of the war. Therefore, the next day he took his mixed host of royal troops, Ingrians and Vladimirans and marched on Minsk, where the two forces would meet in twenty days after the Curonians had again halted.

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In the south, on 13 December the main armies of Yaroslavl and Chernigov again met in battle, in the fields of Novgorod Seversky. After ten days, the enemy’s left flank had broken. They were suffering heavier casualties than their more numerous Yaroslavian opponents and their morale was failing.

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And on 24 December, the Battle of Minsk began. By then, Buðli had arrived in Lepiel and now marched to reinforce Sölvi – he would arrive in another week. Almost immediately, it was discovered the enemy’s right flank was virtually unmanned. [Pity the two poor suckers left out there to provide a distraction! :eek:] Two days later, the Curonian centre was under attack from the Garðarikian right flank in addition to their very strong central division. But the fighting on the other flank was far more even and the Curonian centre was being tenaciously defended.

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January 899

As the new year (by the Christian calendar) began, both battles were still in progress. In Minsk, Jarl Buðli had arrived – and somewhat unwisely pulled rank on Sölvi (who was a far better commander), assuming command! His troops at least were welcome. The fight was proving quite a tough one. But in the south, things had again turned sour for Yaroslavl – somehow. Their centre and right divisions had broken, though the Chernigovan right had joined their left in fleeing the battle. This left the enemy centre – apparently commanded by Barsbek himself - against the Yaroslavian left. And it seemed Chernigovan morale had held up better over time. Tyuey was staring another defeat straight in the eye!

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While their respective forces did battle on their behalf, Tyuey and Eilif were back from the fighting. It was now that Tyuey decided to call in his favour on the King: he would force a vote on enacting a Tax Shifted Noble Obligations Law for the realm!

“A wha – what?” asked Eilif of his old Lawspeaker Hrörekr.

“It is a law whereby noble vassals pay more tax but are not obliged to send as many levies as they would otherwise have to send to their liege.”

“But, I didn’t think any of them paid me any tax anyway!”

“They don’t, My Liege.”

“Nor are they obliged to send me levies for service. I can only call them to war as allies, to which they can choose to accept or not.”

“Correct again, My Liege.”

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Eilif paused for a minute. Though he had improved his reasoning abilities through study, hard work and experience, it still took him a while to figure things out. Especially when they made no sense! He always felt he was missing something important.

“So, in essence, this whole exercise is rather pointless, isn’t it? Am I missing something here, Hrörekr?”

“I don’t believe so, My King. This is a law more suited to feudal societies, like those of Europa.”

“Right. So he’s wasting his time? But can you please check with your experts at the next Þing – I don’t want us to overlook something in the fine print of this law. Tyuey is usually very cunning. I’d feel more comfortable if we checked out every angle.”

“Of course, My Liege.”

Ch73 Q1: Tyuey’s Legal Bid. Just checking here about the Tax Shifted Noble Obligations law Tyuey is forcing a vote on. Have I got that right – that it doesn’t really matter to a tribal society anyway? I get that it might later on, so I may still want to see it voted down on general principles, but it doesn’t seem to have any immediate impact. If it passed, would it have any other effect (practical or procedural) I haven’t picked up on? Or has Tyuey pretty much wasted a favour?

Two days later, Barsbek again emerged triumphant from another bruising encounter - if only just. As far as Eilif could discover, by the time the pursuit had ended, Tyuey had lost over 700 men and Barsbek over 300. A tough encounter, but a big loss for Yaroslavl in terms of their prosecution of the war.

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In Minsk, the Curonians hung on grimly. Their central division had managed to fall back to a defile that forced Buðli to attack on a narrow front, mitigating the Garðarikian advantage in numbers. Nonetheless, it looked like it wouldn’t be enough. The Garðarikian right was beginning to falter, but still held on. And two days later, after brave resistance, the Curonian centre broke. With Buðli now free to attack the remaining enemy division, the Garðarikian right was saved. By 10 January, the whole enemy force was in retreat.

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And the Yaroslavian army was by then in a ‘shattered retreat from Novgorod Seversky, with the aim of rallying way to the north in Holmgarðr. Whether Tyuey would still be in the fight by the time they reached there was a moot point, let alone the question of whether the Chancellor would try for a “third time’s the charm” attack on the wily Barsbek.

As the pursuit in Minsk continued, word came from nearby that the Poles had completed their conquest of Lyubech. Yet another of Halfdan's shrinking realm chipped away.

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But King Eilif’s campaign was meeting with far better fortune that Tyuey's. 17 January brought two victories at once. The siege of the tribal holding in Zemgale was won (with no losses), while the pursuit of the Curonian army in the Battle of Minsk was completed, with another clear victory: almost half the enemy’s army had been destroyed [and a hefty 21% warscore added].

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Ch73 Q2: Temporary Garrisons. I’ve been meaning to ask this for a while but only just remembered now: what happens to the garrison left behind in temporarily occupied holdings when the war ends? In this case, 52 soldiers in Zemgale. First, do these troops come from the attacking army or are they raised at first from the gained area? If they do come from the main army, are they returned on the conclusion of the peace treaty or do they disappear? It’s not a big amount here but I have been curious for a while: could be quite a few troops in a larger war. If anyone knows the mechanics of this, it would be interesting.

These two victories were decisive: High Chief Yudki had fought doughtily enough but could no longer deny he was totally beaten. When pressed, he conceded defeat. And it had been a real alliance war, with Eilif’s vassals gaining more than half the prestige from the victory. The King was happy with this as it vindicated his approach to gaining the trust of key vassals as a means of fighting the realm’s wars more effectively when his own levy was less than Rurik had to hand in his heyday.

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Orsha became a direct part of Eilif’s personal demesne. It was not a highly developed county and would remain disrupted for some time as a result of its conquest, but it was the first addition to the King’s personal holdings since the death of his father. Eilif was quietly pleased and celebrated heartily when he received the news.

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The royal troops of both the armies had been ordered to home territory for dispersal: the vassal regiments had left immediately on the conclusion of the peace. For Sölvi it would be a quick trip back to the newly won Orsha. Þorsteinn would have a longer march back to Pskov across Lithuanian territory.

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But in the aftermath of the defeat at Novgorod Seversky, Tyuey’s subjugation war on Barsbek was in big trouble. His own capital was still occupied by one of Barsbek’s vassals and his army had taken heavy punishment. And unlike Barsbek, he seemed not to have called in any of his own vassals.

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February 899

Another vignette from the war on Curonia played out on 1 February: Chief Ladimir of Belo Ozero, one of Buðli’s vassals, had been captured by the Curonian Chief Sarunas during the first Battle of Starya Russa in Toropets. It was unclear whether he had been injured in battle first and then a ransom was paid or if he was mutilated after capture and released. The latter was suspected. But he emerged from captivity missing an eye and deranged. Added onto his other largely undesirable traits, this latest in a line of troublesome Slovenskys still hated Buðli with a passion. Eilif was glad it was his nephew’s problem to handle.

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Word of Hakon’s Host raiding in the county of Sticht in western Europa came as something of a surprise. Until it became clear this was another Hakon’s Host. [Hakon Helgisson should have taken out copyright on the title! Either that or sought a franchisor’s commission.]

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“Sire,” reported a beaming Marshal Hrolfr one mid-February day, his breath fogging in the cold northern winter. “I bring fine news. Our knowledge of siege equipment had increased in Toropets!”

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“More good news from that excellent county! I’m glad I’ve retained my crown focus there – true Norsemen now, one and all.” But after a short pause, Eilif looked a little uncertain. “Uh, it sounds like great news, Hrolfr, but what does it actually do? That is different from how we already prosecute sieges as a realm?”

“Ah, right, good question my liege. I’ll ask our siege master.”
Ch73 Q3. Siege Equipment Knowledge in Subordinate Counties. Do I infer correctly from this that each separate contingent in a combined army laying siege has a different siege factor being applied according to the siege equipment level of its home county? Which are all then totalled in some algorithm by the game engine? So that troops from Toropets will contribute a little bit more than those from a county that hasn’t achieved that level yet? I hadn’t really thought about it to this point in that much granularity. With no active sieges or troops in the field to check now, is there somewhere I can mouse over to see that info in peacetime?

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1 March 899

Þorsteinn’s army finished its long return journey from Curonia on 1 March and the levies were all dismissed. Tyuey’s army was almost back to Holmgarðr – and not a moment too soon, as they had suffered considerable further attrition during their rout from the south.

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At this point in his reign, Eilif had never been stronger. His recruitment levels for the levy regiments were almost topped out. His son was now two years old and his troublesome brother languishing in jail [the Scar, Mufasa and now Simba comparisons keep coming to mind. I think Hrörekr must be the Rafiki character]. His prestige was such that he could now, if he wished, summon a tribal army of his own. Or see some new tribal buildings commenced. Even the treasury was looking fairly healthy – enough to hire a mercenary band or commission some smaller buildings. And he had added a new county to his demesne, which in time would contribute more levies.

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Eilif’s vassals remained largely under control (whether through amicable relationships or safely in jail). Tyuey was still the strongest whether measured by realm or demesne size or military power. But the latter had been considerably reduced by his so far losing war against Barsbek. The disparity in size had been brought back into proportion – so if anything were to go wrong now with either Tyuey or a successor in Yaroslavl, Eilif was in a far stronger position internally.

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Gumarich der Schreiber reported that at that time, in the world as known to them, Garðariki had around the thirtieth largest army of all realms. The largest remained that of the Byzantine Empire, followed by Syria, Andalusia and the Arabian Empire. Of the Norse realms, Sviþjod retained the largest military, closely followed by Denmark. After that, Noregr and Jorvik also had more royal troops than Garðariki.

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In terms of realm size, Garðariki ranked a little higher – at number 25. Again, the Byzantine Empire was the behemoth, far ahead of any competitor. Andalusia, the Indian realms of Karnata and Rajputana and then the Arabians were the next largest, those in that second cohort all of roughly similar size. Denmark was clearly the leading Norse realm by size, twice that of their nearest Norse competitors of Jorvik and Sviþjod, with Garðariki not too far behind them.

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Next Steps

Having taken stock of his realm’s position and Gardariki’s place in the broader world, Eilif now considered what he should do next. He left more large-scale raiding off the table for now: he had enough gold and prestige for the moment and would not get much more for the time and effort expended looking for small border counties that had not been bled dry recently. He needed ships – then perhaps he would look at some seaborne raids further afield.

With the non-aggression pact with Sviþjod now lapsed after his sister’s death and King Eirkr’s recent encroachments into areas the Rurikids had long coveted, his eyes turned in that direction to see what might be done. Eirikr maintained a strong army, as we have seen above. Reval and Finland both contained shipyards Eilif would dearly love to get his hands on. And Eirikr was in the middle of a war in his far-off European possessions. Perhaps he may be distracted?

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He fought Duke Lambert of Luxembourg in an attempt to conquer Breda. Eirikr was thought to have the upper hand, but while he occupied Breda, Lambert had managed to take two of Eirikr’s holdings in Brabant. The numbers of troops there weren’t known, but it must be a considerable part if not all of his personal levy. Perhaps that meant those Baltic holdings could be vulnerable?

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The glory hounds on the Council would all back a risky war on Sweden, of course. It would also have the benefit of bringing Garðariki closer to controlling sufficient Germanic holy sites to reform the religion. Only Queen Ingrid urged caution. But the terms a war could be waged on were limited, which confused the king somewhat.

“So Tyuey, you’re saying the only options available are full subjugation or an extortion of tribute?”

“That’s what the tribal law experts are telling me, King Eilif.”

“But I though that as Norse pagans we could conquer any border county – and Garðariki shares a border with Reval via Narva – or any coastal county; which they both are.”

“It is a conundrum, My Liege.”

“One that I wish you to solve, Tyuey. Consult the Þing on this. Otherwise, it looks like we would need to go through the laborious process of fabricating a claim. Finding someone else we could claim it on behalf of isn’t really what I’m after: I want to hold the shipyards directly. Personally. And I don’t much want to be in the business of supporting people in a claim only to revoke it straight afterwards. It would no doubt upset the rest of you!”

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Ch73 Q4: Casus Belli on Sweden. As laid out in the narrative, I simply don’t understand this one. Any idea as to what is preventing me from launching such a war on Sweden? I’ve looked and it works for the other surrounding realms, but maybe not on Noregr, for example, who I also don’t have a NAP with (I do with Denmark, so couldn’t test this on them). Is there fine print somewhere that says the tribal pagan single county conquest does not work on other Norse-Germanic realms or realms of the same culture and/or religion?

Although Minsk was now on the new border (and part of the de jure Russian Empire), the Council would not (of course) support a war against Lithuania, which owned it. That would be too easy. The other principal option remained Barsbek. A subjugation could not be launched while Tyuey’s war continued. Any one of the border provinces could be conquered, but Eilif was reluctant to interfere with or complicate the war between Barsbek and Tyuey. On the one hand, it would further weaken Barsbek. But if Tyuey ended up winning as a result, he would get the subjugation. Or if he lost, but Eilif won the county, there would [presumably] be a long peace treaty in place that would delay a subjugation.

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The Council

This left Eilif with the option of trying to get the Council on side to approve the ‘less glorious’ but more numerous and profitable wars he wished to wage. So the King turned his attentions there. Now that he had a few coins in the coffers, perhaps he could ply a couple of his Councillors with gifts? If enough was spent, that should make them loyalists, he thought to himself. It would be less disruptive and perhaps more likely to succeed than firing and hiring people who may be more amenable than those already there.

Eilif calculated gifts of 15 gold would generally improve Councillors’ opinion of him considerably. Tyuey would need a gift of 25 gold to improve his regard. But in no case would one payment alone be sufficient to make the Councillor unshakeably loyal [ie the 95%+ opinion I’m assuming is needed]. Even for the Queen Mother, barring the resolution of the issue of Dyre, a single gift would not quite be enough.

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Narrowing down the list of potential targets for largesse (with 200 gold in the treasury), Tyuey would be too expensive (a higher cost and probably three bribes needed in total to sway him - and he was, the investment could be of short-lived value). Money for Queen Ingrid was unnecessary at this stage, as she generally supported Eilif on the votes he needed to win but couldn’t. And Eilif would prefer not to use money to persuade his mother: both on the principle of it, but also because her favour may well return if the impasse with Dyre could be fixed – somehow.

That left Marshal Hrolfr, Steward Egill and Advisor Grimr. Each would probably take two payments to sway sufficiently. Of the three, Hrolfr and Grimr were the more consequential, being powerful landholders in their own rights. It would be useful for Eilif to have one or both of them even more supportive than they currently were. He summoned his Lawspeaker for a delicate task.

“Hrörekr, how are you these days? Your seem a little tired.”

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“Oh, well enough Sire, for a man of my advanced years and with a canker eating away at my tough old innards,” replied the doughty ex-Chancellor.

Even though he was now 64 years old and riddled with cancer – and looking increasingly like Emperor Palpatine - he carried on serving faithfully, as he always had, even when Jarl Tyuey had assumed his old post as Rurik’s original Chancellor.

“I have something sensitive for you. Ask some selected and trustworthy attendees at the Þing this evening about what it would take to swing a couple of stubborn Councillors around to become loyalists, by way of a gift of coin. I have a note here with my detailed questions.”

“Of course, My Liege,” said the old man, discretely pocketing the note.

Ch73 Q5: Councillor Disposition and Relationship Score. We touched on this recently but now things are getting more specific. Will any Councillor with 95%+ opinion of the king automatically become a Loyalist in Council? Or can that be mitigated by other factors? It affects the ‘value proposition’ for bribing Councillors into compliance.

Ch73 Q6: Gifts. I take it (and am pretty sure I have read in other AARs) that you can provide more than one gift as many times as you want but want to be sure before I start throwing scarce coin around. Follow-up question is does the amount for next time increase each time you give a gift? And/or the amount of opinion gain decrease with subsequent gifts? That is, bribe inflation in cost and deflation in effect. If neither, excellent. If so, is there a rough rule of thumb as to how much the cost is likely to increase from bribe to bribe, or the effect decrease? I need an idea of these things before I can decide the cost effectiveness of doing it and whether I can afford the money to swing two councillors – probably Hrolfr and Grimr – my way.

Another option would be to replace a Councillor with someone who may be more compliant. Even three bribes may not swing Egill enough, though two might do it. And he was the most expendable of the lot. At the moment, because of that irritating vote Tyuey had forced, none of them could be replaced. Eilif wasn’t sure how long it would take to resolve. [Or do I need to actively call the vote now for it to be resolved?] And now none of them seem to be decided on which way to vote anyway!

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Egill was a perfectly competent steward and, despite a fair few character flaws, had not caused any trouble since joining the realm. But he was far from being a loyalist. And would be unable to cause too much trouble if dismissed.

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On the list of possible replacements from around the realm and beyond, the pick of the alternatives seemed to be one Sumarliði Olafrsson from the kingdom of Noregr. He was currently being misemployed by his Chief (whom he loathed – and was loathed by even more) as a commander. He would be willing to join the kingdom and was a superior steward. He already had a high opinion of Eilif, which of course should be boosted with a Council appointment. Despite being a homosexual, he had the ambition of getting married. So if he came to the Garðarikian court and Eilif found him a match, that would be another boost to his opinion of his new liege. He was also a content young man, was Norse Germanic and was only 17 years old, so many good years ahead of him.

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Ch73 Q7: Sumarliði. Just checking on a few things here. Hope I have my calculation right about the marriage bonus, if I wait until he is Eilif’s courtier. Is that content +25 a bonus on his opinion of his liege (my assumption), or his liege’s opinion of him? In terms of the homosexual attraction bonus, who does that apply to? Just other male homosexual characters? A check on Grimr’s relationships with other characters seemed to indicate that was the case. All that said, any views on whether changing to Sumarliði might be a good trade? I could invite him to the court and then test his likely leanings on council once I’m able to change them over I again, I presume.

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Building Options

Other than bribing Councillors or leaving money in reserve to hire mercenaries for any larger war or emergency, the money saved could also be used for projects. Given its newly acquired status and the upheaval there, Orsha was not considered a good place to invest at the moment. But range of options existed in the ‘home counties’ of the Jarldom of Holmgarðr. A market city [Level III] could be built in Holmgarðr, or a market town [Level II] in Torzhok. A reinforced hillfort [Level III] could also be built in Torzhok but was not considered a military necessity or worth the coin at this stage.

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In terms of using prestige to attract new people to establish new tribal buildings, there was a wide choice. Such improvements were always desirable but acquiring one now would cost the majority or for some almost all of Eilif’s accrued prestige. It would have an effect on his standing in the kingdom and perhaps more importantly if he had any ambitious war plans in the near future, it would mean he could no longer summon a tribal army.

Ch73 Q8: New Buildings. If Eilif were to go along the building path, are there any views as to which would be the best and most cost-effective choices at this point, on general principles for an early-game tribal realm? Of course, longer term plans would affect whether such a choice was pursued – more on that below. I’m just asking which would be the best if he was more interested in building up that going on the warpath in the near to mid-term.

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General Directions

Depending in part on the advice he received on his many questions (diplomatic, political, military and developmental), this left Eilif with a broader choice to make.

One path would be to seek a large-scale war in the near future, for which (in the case of a big once-in-a-lifetime subjugation of Sweden for example) he may well require extra troops: both a tribal army and mercenaries. In which case money and prestige should be saved for that.

A middle path would be for a series of anticipated military actions but perhaps smaller in scale, ranging from a subjugation of Chernigov (if Barsbek beat off Tyuey’s current attempt) or smaller border conquest wars if the Council was made more malleable. That course would mean money being spent on ‘gifts’ to influence Council members (current or new). Current troop levels may be sufficient – with vassal support – to conduct those wars, but the ability to call in a host if necessary would be useful in case things got out of hand and mercenaries could no longer be afforded. And in the meantime, maintaining prestige would boost vassal opinion and make it more likely waverers may send contingents. And left-over money might be used on some of those waverers if it would make the difference and provide a good-sized regiment.

A third path would be to bide time and build again, perhaps conduct a few raids again and look out for smaller opportunities that may come along for border conquests against weak opponents. In that case, perhaps prestige could be used for a new building that would boost troop numbers or efficiency and some money (left over after Councillor influencing) could perhaps be found for a market improvement.

Eilif would make his decision after advice from the Þing.

Ch73 Q9: Ambitions. Any general views on preferred paths (including variations or other options) always welcome. Can be as detailed (pros and cons) or general and brief as you like! Option 1: Warpath; retain cash and prestige until needed. Option 2: Middle Road; cash spent on getting the Council compliant, hold onto prestige. Option 3: wait and 'Build Tall'; cash on Council and maybe a market building, prestige on a tribal building.

With that, Eilif sat down and tucked into a haunch of venison and a horn of mead, awaiting the advice of the Þing. At this major watershed in his reign, as options promised to open up for him, he had asked more questions of his advisors than at any previous Þing he or his father had called.

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Questions

I know this is a lot of questions, but it is a major decision point for Eilif’s reign. As always, commenters are very welcomed to address all questions but you should never feel obliged to. Skip some if they are not in your area of interest or knowledge – or all of them if you just prefer general or brief commenting. All forms of comment – including a simple ‘thanks, enjoyed that, I’m still reading’ or an ‘agree’ tick – are very valued.

Ch73 Q1: Tyuey’s Legal Bid. Just checking here about the Tax Shifted Noble Obligations law Tyuey is forcing a vote on. Have I got that right – that it doesn’t really matter to a tribal society anyway? I get that it might later on, so I may still want to see it voted down on general principles, but it doesn’t seem to have any immediate impact. If it passed, would it have any other effect (practical or procedural) I haven’t picked up on? Or has Tyuey pretty much wasted a favour?

Ch73 Q2: Temporary Garrisons. I’ve been meaning to ask this for a while but only just remembered now: what happens to the garrison left behind in temporarily occupied holdings when the war ends? In this case, 52 soldiers in Zemgale. First, do these troops come from the attacking army or are they raised at first from the gained area? If they do come from the main army, are they returned on the conclusion of the peace treaty or do they disappear? It’s not a big amount here but I have been curious for a while: could be quite a few troops in a larger war. If anyone knows the mechanics of this, it would be interesting.

Ch73 Q3. Siege Equipment Knowledge in Subordinate Counties. Do I infer correctly from this that each separate contingent in a combined army laying siege has a different siege factor being applied according to the siege equipment level of its home county? Which are all then totalled in some algorithm by the game engine? So that troops from Toropets will contribute a little bit more than those from a county that hasn’t achieved that level yet? I hadn’t really thought about it to this point in that much granularity. With no active sieges or troops in the field to check now, is there somewhere I can mouse over to see that info in peacetime?

Ch73 Q4: Casus Belli on Sweden. As laid out in the narrative, I simply don’t understand this one. Any idea as to what is preventing me from launching such a war on Sweden? I’ve looked and it works for the other surrounding realms, but maybe not on Noregr, for example, who I also don’t have a NAP with (I do with Denmark, so couldn’t test this on them). Is there fine print somewhere that says the tribal pagan single county conquest does not work on other Norse-Germanic realms or realms of the same culture and/or religion?

Ch73 Q5: Councillor Disposition and Relationship Score. We touched on this recently but now things are getting more specific. Will any Councillor with 95%+ opinion of the king automatically become a Loyalist in Council? Or can that be mitigated by other factors? It affects the ‘value proposition’ for bribing Councillors into compliance.

Ch73 Q6: Gifts. I take it (and am pretty sure I have read in other AARs) that you can provide more than one gift as many times as you want but want to be sure before I start throwing scarce coin around. Follow-up question is does the amount for next time increase each time you give a gift? And/or the amount of opinion gain decrease with subsequent gifts? That is, bribe inflation in cost and deflation in effect. If neither, excellent. If so, is there a rough rule of thumb as to how much the cost is likely to increase from bribe to bribe, or the effect decrease? I need an idea of these things before I can decide the cost effectiveness of doing it and whether I can afford the money to swing two councillors – probably Hrolfr and Grimr – my way.

Ch73 Q7: Sumarliði. Just checking on a few things here. Hope I have my calculation right about the marriage bonus, if I wait until he is Eilif’s courtier. Is that content +25 a bonus on his opinion of his liege (my assumption), or his liege’s opinion of him? In terms of the homosexual attraction bonus, who does that apply to? Just other male homosexual characters? A check on Grimr’s relationships with other characters seemed to indicate that was the case. All that said, any views on whether changing to Sumarliði might be a good trade? I could invite him to the court and then test his likely leanings on council once I’m able to change them over I again, I presume.

Ch73 Q8: New Buildings. If Eilif were to go along the building path, are there any views as to which would be the best and most cost-effective choices at this point, on general principles for an early-game tribal realm? Of course, longer term plans would affect whether such a choice was pursued – more on that below. I’m just asking which would be the best if he was more interested in building up that going on the warpath in the near to mid-term.

Ch73 Q9: Ambitions. Any general views on preferred paths (including variations or other options) always welcome. Can be as detailed (pros and cons) or general and brief as you like! Option 1: Warpath; retain cash and prestige until needed. Option 2: Middle Road; cash spent on getting the Council compliant, hold onto prestige. Option 3: wait and Build Tall; cash on Council and maybe a market building, prestige on a tribal building.

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A Rurikid era gold coin, found among the sealed stone chests of the Rurikid Scroll trove.

Eilif must now decide whether and how to spend his hard-earned gold and prestige which he has spent years building up to arrive at this point in his reign. He now has genuine strategic options and his next decisions will set the tone for Garðariki for some years to come.
 
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Q2: I dont think that the attacking army loses men to garrisson the captured land, though im not positive. I think once the war ends the garrisson goew back down because of the newly conquree modifiers.

Q6: You can send multiple gifts to one char, though only the first time gives relationship bonus. Im not sure if the amount increases the second time but I dont think so. I do know that trais determine the amount of thr gift so if a char js greedy the gift will cost more.

Q8: I would focus almost entirely on presitige-cost infantry buildings, and largely avoiding weapon smith and practice range.

Q9: Market buildings can be tempting to spend gold on, but there not a great investment. Most gold will be gained by raiding and ransoms for tribal kingdoms. It can be worth it shortly before you plan on going feudal, along with upgrading most of the prestige buildings because upgrades become much more expensive at that point and it is useful to start with a well developed castle which is converted from tribal upgrades.
 
My gut feeling, I think, is for the middle parth.
 
Given the siege of Chashniki in Lepiel had barely begun, Sölvi lifted it and marched to Orsha: if Buðli was caught, he would only have to hold out three days before the Garðarikian army would rescue him and smash the Curonians, who would be attacking across a small river. Leaving Buðli swinging in the wind twice would not be fair - or just.
Details like these make me love this AAR. Good job Sölvi!

Far away from the fighting, Jarl Tyueykezhut was in Narva. Trying to find a claim on the county against Eilif’s imprisoned brother Dyre. And he was fuming – his reform plans were being thwarted. The pleasures of having Chief Ukko once again were made plain. He was the gift that kept on taking!
Banishment didn't seem likely to work?

Ch73 Q1: Tyuey’s Legal Bid. Just checking here about the Tax Shifted Noble Obligations law Tyuey is forcing a vote on. Have I got that right – that it doesn’t really matter to a tribal society anyway? I get that it might later on, so I may still want to see it voted down on general principles, but it doesn’t seem to have any immediate impact. If it passed, would it have any other effect (practical or procedural) I haven’t picked up on? Or has Tyuey pretty much wasted a favour?
No immediate impact that I can think of, except maybe if there's an event that has this law as its trigger? That's a small chance though.

Two days later, Barsbek again emerged triumphant from another bruising encounter - if only just. As far as Eilif could discover, by the time the pursuit had ended, Tyuey had lost over 700 men and Barsbek over 300. A tough encounter, but a big loss for Yaroslavl in terms of their prosecution of the war.
I think third time will be the charm :)

“third time’s the charm” attack on the wily Barsbek
hahaha I just thought of the same thing

Ch73 Q2: Temporary Garrisons. I’ve been meaning to ask this for a while but only just remembered now: what happens to the garrison left behind in temporarily occupied holdings when the war ends? In this case, 52 soldiers in Zemgale. First, do these troops come from the attacking army or are they raised at first from the gained area? If they do come from the main army, are they returned on the conclusion of the peace treaty or do they disappear? It’s not a big amount here but I have been curious for a while: could be quite a few troops in a larger war. If anyone knows the mechanics of this, it would be interesting.
Huh, never thought of this before. I'm pretty sure it doesn't come from the attacking army, I think they just appear out of thin air and disappear when their job is done. I'm not sure though.

Orsha became a direct part of Eilif’s personal demesne
On to Minsk!!!

Ch73 Q3. Siege Equipment Knowledge in Subordinate Counties. Do I infer correctly from this that each separate contingent in a combined army laying siege has a different siege factor being applied according to the siege equipment level of its home county? Which are all then totalled in some algorithm by the game engine? So that troops from Toropets will contribute a little bit more than those from a county that hasn’t achieved that level yet? I hadn’t really thought about it to this point in that much granularity. With no active sieges or troops in the field to check now, is there somewhere I can mouse over to see that info in peacetime?
This is my understanding as well.

At this point in his reign, Eilif had never been stronger
When he was first crowned king, I would've never expected he would be able to achieve so much. The seemingly dull Eilif has became a real good ruler. I'm proud for him.

Ch73 Q4: Casus Belli on Sweden. As laid out in the narrative, I simply don’t understand this one. Any idea as to what is preventing me from launching such a war on Sweden? I’ve looked and it works for the other surrounding realms, but maybe not on Noregr, for example, who I also don’t have a NAP with (I do with Denmark, so couldn’t test this on them). Is there fine print somewhere that says the tribal pagan single county conquest does not work on other Norse-Germanic realms or realms of the same culture and/or religion?
Beats me :/

Although Minsk was now on the new border (and part of the de jure Russian Empire), the Council would not (of course) support a war against Lithuania, which owned it.
Damn

The other principal option remained Barsbek. A subjugation could not be launched while Tyuey’s war continued. Any one of the border provinces could be conquered, but Eilif was reluctant to interfere with or complicate the war between Barsbek and Tyuey. On the one hand, it would further weaken Barsbek. But if Tyuey ended up winning as a result, he would get the subjugation. Or if he lost, but Eilif won the county, there would [presumably] be a long peace treaty in place that would delay a subjugation.
I guess we can wait this out

What about the Sami or Sapmi or whatever on the north? They also seem to have coastal provinces, are they big enough to satisfy the pesky glory hounds?

if the impasse with Dyre could be fixed – somehow.
Banishment?

Ch73 Q5: Councillor Disposition and Relationship Score. We touched on this recently but now things are getting more specific. Will any Councillor with 95%+ opinion of the king automatically become a Loyalist in Council? Or can that be mitigated by other factors? It affects the ‘value proposition’ for bribing Councillors into compliance.
Never did this one, but Wiki the Red says 95+% is +10 for loyalist, and also 0.4 x opinion so a further ~40 points. 50 points sounds like a lot, but I have no idea if that would be enough or not without knowing the other factors. Also knowing the other factors can be helpful to decide which 2 of the final 3 candidates are easier to sway.

On the list of possible replacements from around the realm and beyond, the pick of the alternatives seemed to be one Sumarliði Olafrsson from the kingdom of Noregr. He was currently being misemployed by his Chief (whom he loathed – and was loathed by even more) as a commander. He would be willing to join the kingdom and was a superior steward. He already had a high opinion of Eilif, which of course should be boosted with a Council appointment. Despite being a homosexual, he had the ambition of getting married. So if he came to the Garðarikian court and Eilif found him a match, that would be another boost to his opinion of his new liege. He was also a content young man, was Norse Germanic and was only 17 years old, so many good years ahead of him.
I'd replace the steward even if there weren't problems with voting. He's clearly better.

Ch73 Q6: Gifts. I take it (and am pretty sure I have read in other AARs) that you can provide more than one gift as many times as you want but want to be sure before I start throwing scarce coin around. Follow-up question is does the amount for next time increase each time you give a gift? And/or the amount of opinion gain decrease with subsequent gifts? That is, bribe inflation in cost and deflation in effect. If neither, excellent. If so, is there a rough rule of thumb as to how much the cost is likely to increase from bribe to bribe, or the effect decrease? I need an idea of these things before I can decide the cost effectiveness of doing it and whether I can afford the money to swing two councillors – probably Hrolfr and Grimr – my way.
No idea

Ch73 Q7: Sumarliði. Just checking on a few things here. Hope I have my calculation right about the marriage bonus, if I wait until he is Eilif’s courtier. Is that content +25 a bonus on his opinion of his liege (my assumption), or his liege’s opinion of him? In terms of the homosexual attraction bonus, who does that apply to? Just other male homosexual characters? A check on Grimr’s relationships with other characters seemed to indicate that was the case. All that said, any views on whether changing to Sumarliði might be a good trade? I could invite him to the court and then test his likely leanings on council once I’m able to change them over I again, I presume.
The +25 is the content character liking his/her liege. Homosexual (or for that matter any other trait attraction bonus) is towards other people having the same trait. I guess interestingly it would probably attract female homosexual characters as well. As I said just above, I think I'd definitely get him.

Ch73 Q8: New Buildings. If Eilif were to go along the building path, are there any views as to which would be the best and most cost-effective choices at this point, on general principles for an early-game tribal realm? Of course, longer term plans would affect whether such a choice was pursued – more on that below. I’m just asking which would be the best if he was more interested in building up that going on the warpath in the near to mid-term.
I think it pays itself in around 10 years or so? So if you have money, it's sure to turn profits at one point. The question is the opportunity cost, are there other buildings that we can save and build in the near future?

Ch73 Q9: Ambitions. Any general views on preferred paths (including variations or other options) always welcome. Can be as detailed (pros and cons) or general and brief as you like! Option 1: Warpath; retain cash and prestige until needed. Option 2: Middle Road; cash spent on getting the Council compliant, hold onto prestige. Option 3: wait and 'Build Tall'; cash on Council and maybe a market building, prestige on a tribal building.
I think this also depends on with whom our council allows us to war. Is it only Sweden? If we make a subjugation war with them the shipyards will still stay our vassal's (or vassal's vassal's) so that would be not very useful from that regard. But we'll have a hell lot of new territory, one of the biggest subjugation targets that we might have (another might be Hungary, have we assessed them in that regard?) and with one of the holy sites I guess? But they don't have a single province in the empire of Rus. So pros/cons here.

What I mean is, to be able to decide if we'll go with option 1, 2 or 3 we should first decide on which realm Eilif will eventually use his subjugation on. If it's one that we can fight now, we can go with option 1. Option 2 sounds somewhat weak, I mean what use is to make council compliant if we won't vote for a war soon? I think we should either spend the cash on a building or two and wait for an opportunity (3), or spend it on council to immediately have a border war with a realm (preferably one with shipyards) that the council will allow us to war then (modified 2) if we're not making a subjugation war (1). I say let's think about possible subjugation targets (I'm thinking Tyuey might eventually get the best of Barsbek), is it only Sweden? Can Hungary be considered? Another one (that our council might allow after some adjustments)? If there's a good option, let's go with option 1. Otherwise, let's adjust the council and go for a border war (Minsk, or a shipyard province).

Already looking forward to some discussion and the next episode :)
 
@diskoerekto great comments, will do the usual feedback later, but some quick clarifications:
1. None of the northern Finnish kingdoms are large enough to interest the Council :(
2. Sweden is being considered mainly because of the Holy Sites they control (including the one off Holland) and the fact they are Norse Germanic. That would probably divert the Rurikids to a Scandinavian Empire path with reformed Germanic religion rather than a Russian Empire path.
3. The detailed middle road (Option 2) is gaining control of the Council for the express purpose of being able to launch all those wars Eilif has been prevented from. So rather than trying a big and glorious but risky subjugation of Sweden (Option 1 - hiring mercenaries and recruiting a tribal army to do it), Option 2 is bribing the Council then launching a series of border wars and maybe a subjugation on Chernigov as the largest undertaking, until the pacts that will start to form get in the way. That is the Russian Empire path.

So, reform and Norse first may be go for Sweden (now or as soon as it can be managed). The Russian Empire path may even mean biting the bullet, giving up the Norse-Germanic ambition, convert to a reformed religion, going feudal from that.

The Scandinavian route could be insurance against two longer term threats the Seers have foreseen in mystic ceremonies: the Mongols (set for historical appearance) and the Aztec Sunset Invasion (set for not before I think it is about the 13th century or 1300, I’ll have to check again next time I fire up the game). Also the threat of Christian Holy Wars and conversion attempts of the Norse brethren.

So this is quite an important strategic decision point. Of course, you can change direction later, but this could be quite a game-changing crossroads.
 
@diskoerekto great comments, will do the usual feedback later, but some quick clarifications:
1. None of the northern Finnish kingdoms are large enough to interest the Council :(
2. Sweden is being considered mainly because of the Holy Sites they control (including the one off Holland) and the fact they are Norse Germanic. That would probably divert the Rurikids to a Scandinavian Empire path with reformed Germanic religion rather than a Russian Empire path.
3. The detailed middle road (Option 2) is gaining control of the Council for the express purpose of being able to launch all those wars Eilif has been prevented from. So rather than trying a big and glorious but risky subjugation of Sweden (Option 1 - hiring mercenaries and recruiting a tribal army to do it), Option 2 is bribing the Council then launching a series of border wars and maybe a subjugation on Chernigov as the largest undertaking, until the pacts that will start to form get in the way. That is the Russian Empire path.

So, reform and Norse first may be go for Sweden (now or as soon as it can be managed). The Russian Empire path may even mean biting the bullet, giving up the Norse-Germanic ambition, convert to a reformed religion, going feudal from that.

The Scandinavian route could be insurance against two longer term threats the Seers have foreseen in mystic ceremonies: the Mongols (set for historical appearance) and the Aztec Sunset Invasion (set for not before I think it is about the 13th century or 1300, I’ll have to check again next time I fire up the game). Also the threat of Christian Holy Wars and conversion attempts of the Norse brethren.

So this is quite an important strategic decision point. Of course, you can change direction later, but this could be quite a game-changing crossroads.
I would be against giving up being Norse-Germanic, this is kinda our thing isn't it? Staying tribal and going with whatever it brings would be what I'd prefer until we can reform Norse. On the other hand, I would be against giving up trying to reclaim the Empire of Rus as well. What I'm trying to say is, I have this vision of a Norse Rus Empire which might be cool so that's why I'm pushing here :) We're much closer to completing it than empire of Scandinavia as well anyway even assuming we subjugate Sweden.

We would have gone for the empire of Scandinavia in any case since we want the holy sites in any case, but I was thinking we'd go there as already an empire.

Also, what about Hungary? Maybe the council would let us attack there as well.
 
1) You have the right of it.
2) They appear out of thin air, and disappear when peace comes.
3) I think that's how it works, but I know of no tool tips do can't confirm.
4) I have consulted the secret runes, and they declare that the target must be of a different religion.
5) The runes show that there is deep magic here. It appears to not be automatic, but is just another boost. If they have other traits making them likely to go for other stances, even high opinion may not overcome it.
6) You can give as many gifts as you want, but only the first will boost their opinion.
7) I think you have it right, but you'd have to try it to be certain.
8) More men = more war and more raiding and more money. Also, more being ahead when you flip to feudal.
9) I like three, but prefer forts to markets. Why pay the gold price when you could instead pay the iron price?
 
A small clarification on the matter of gifts: The opinion modifier for a gift only lasts for a set duration (can't remember the specifics off the top of my head, but not much longer than a few months to a year IIRC). Fresh gifts won't add anything further to the opinion score until the modifier wears off, but unless Paradox has changed the way it works since I last paid attention to the fine print, subsequent gifts do reset the modifier's expiration date.

As far as gift costs go: I think that it's related in some way to the recipient's rank, size, and power, but I couldn't tell you specifics. I know from experience (read: murder plots) that it's much cheaper to bribe a landless courtier with no position than a councilor or a landed vassal.

The others I'll try to address when I can, but I suspect the rest of the hive mind is going to echo what I'd most likely say.
 
And a first success in the bag for Eilif. Tyuey's war does look to end in a failure though.

That second Hakon must have an interesting story to tell, too. He's the Conqueror, after all - was he already successful with a previous host, ended up driven out of his new home, to launch another host? If he succeeds again, he'll be the kind of guy sagas are told off.

Ch73 Q1: Tyuey’s Legal Bid. Just checking here about the Tax Shifted Noble Obligations law Tyuey is forcing a vote on. Have I got that right – that it doesn’t really matter to a tribal society anyway? I get that it might later on, so I may still want to see it voted down on general principles, but it doesn’t seem to have any immediate impact. If it passed, would it have any other effect (practical or procedural) I haven’t picked up on? Or has Tyuey pretty much wasted a favour?
Hey, Tyuey's already thinking of his (more or less) distant descendants here! Yes, you are right - no effect until you actually have feudal vassals.

Ch73 Q2: Temporary Garrisons. I’ve been meaning to ask this for a while but only just remembered now: what happens to the garrison left behind in temporarily occupied holdings when the war ends? In this case, 52 soldiers in Zemgale. First, do these troops come from the attacking army or are they raised at first from the gained area? If they do come from the main army, are they returned on the conclusion of the peace treaty or do they disappear? It’s not a big amount here but I have been curious for a while: could be quite a few troops in a larger war. If anyone knows the mechanics of this, it would be interesting.
They slowly reinforce the garrison from the homeland, so no cost for the army - and they return home at peace.

Ch73 Q3. Siege Equipment Knowledge in Subordinate Counties. Do I infer correctly from this that each separate contingent in a combined army laying siege has a different siege factor being applied according to the siege equipment level of its home county? Which are all then totalled in some algorithm by the game engine? So that troops from Toropets will contribute a little bit more than those from a county that hasn’t achieved that level yet? I hadn’t really thought about it to this point in that much granularity. With no active sieges or troops in the field to check now, is there somewhere I can mouse over to see that info in peacetime?
Actually, siege tech is a leader bonus during sieges. You can check its effects with the tooltip of the siege progress. As the relative tech level is important here, my understanding is that higher siege tech in the county makes it take longer to besiege, while the siege tech of the capital is applied to all offensive sieges.
If that's right, then I don't see a way to check it outside of actual sieges.

Ch73 Q4: Casus Belli on Sweden. As laid out in the narrative, I simply don’t understand this one. Any idea as to what is preventing me from launching such a war on Sweden? I’ve looked and it works for the other surrounding realms, but maybe not on Noregr, for example, who I also don’t have a NAP with (I do with Denmark, so couldn’t test this on them). Is there fine print somewhere that says the tribal pagan single county conquest does not work on other Norse-Germanic realms or realms of the same culture and/or religion?
Yeah, unlike piety-based Islamic conquest, pagan conquests are only against other faiths.

Ch73 Q5: Councillor Disposition and Relationship Score. We touched on this recently but now things are getting more specific. Will any Councillor with 95%+ opinion of the king automatically become a Loyalist in Council? Or can that be mitigated by other factors? It affects the ‘value proposition’ for bribing Councillors into compliance.
I can only echo the above. Useful, but not automatic.

Ch73 Q6: Gifts. I take it (and am pretty sure I have read in other AARs) that you can provide more than one gift as many times as you want but want to be sure before I start throwing scarce coin around. Follow-up question is does the amount for next time increase each time you give a gift? And/or the amount of opinion gain decrease with subsequent gifts? That is, bribe inflation in cost and deflation in effect. If neither, excellent. If so, is there a rough rule of thumb as to how much the cost is likely to increase from bribe to bribe, or the effect decrease? I need an idea of these things before I can decide the cost effectiveness of doing it and whether I can afford the money to swing two councillors – probably Hrolfr and Grimr – my way.
Only one gift gives an opinion boost - but the value of these gifts depends on the character. As Lodin Skrin always says, 'greedy and generally indulgent characters like gifts more'.

Ch73 Q7: Sumarliði. Just checking on a few things here. Hope I have my calculation right about the marriage bonus, if I wait until he is Eilif’s courtier. Is that content +25 a bonus on his opinion of his liege (my assumption), or his liege’s opinion of him? In terms of the homosexual attraction bonus, who does that apply to? Just other male homosexual characters? A check on Grimr’s relationships with other characters seemed to indicate that was the case. All that said, any views on whether changing to Sumarliði might be a good trade? I could invite him to the court and then test his likely leanings on council once I’m able to change them over I again, I presume.
Yes, it is towards his liege. The homosexual attraction is towards other male homosexuals... but it also makes him care for male sex appeal/attraction modifiers such as genetic traits and seducer.
Looking at his traits without asking Wiki the Red first, I'd say that he doesn't look likely to be a glory hound, at the very least. Appointing him depends on if you want to reduce the glory hound quota, and my guess would be that he's going to be a pragmatist.

Ch73 Q8: New Buildings. If Eilif were to go along the building path, are there any views as to which would be the best and most cost-effective choices at this point, on general principles for an early-game tribal realm? Of course, longer term plans would affect whether such a choice was pursued – more on that below. I’m just asking which would be the best if he was more interested in building up that going on the warpath in the near to mid-term.
For a raider, money is less important to gain from holdings. And as a tribal realm, quantity is more important than quality, as a tribal army is weaker than a feudal one and relies more on the skirmish phase. Then again, a better levy refill rate is very useful for consequent warmongering.
I wouldn't give a definitive answer here.

Ch73 Q9: Ambitions. Any general views on preferred paths (including variations or other options) always welcome. Can be as detailed (pros and cons) or general and brief as you like! Option 1: Warpath; retain cash and prestige until needed. Option 2: Middle Road; cash spent on getting the Council compliant, hold onto prestige. Option 3: wait and Build Tall; cash on Council and maybe a market building, prestige on a tribal building.
As a Norse, there's no question here - warpath!

Sweden is an interesting target, even moreso as Eirikr is currently preoccupied. The question is if one can hold on to it. Risky, but could be a profitable war.
Subjugating Barsbek would be the safer alternative. As Tyuey's war is failing, Eilif can swoop in with no fear of losing his lifetime subjugation for nothing. Even if Tyuey could somehow turn the tide, his warscore from battles is negative, so Eilif would reach 100% sooner than him (or at the same time, would all Chernigov be occupied before reaching the score first).
 
The Tenth Þing of Eilif’s Reign – March 899 (a summary of advice from Chapter 73)
The Tenth Þing of Eilif’s Reign – March 899 (a summary of advice from Chapter 73)

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Details like these make me love this AAR. Good job Sölvi!
:)
Banishment didn't seem likely to work?
I am seeing if he dies in the oubliette first. If it drags on too long, maybe I’ll try the banishment instead. He’s also still the heir, so ii Eilif dies unexpectedly, the Dyre will be very powerful and I’d suddenly be playing him! And having to rewrite some history from his perspective ;)
On to Minsk!!! …. Damn
Exactly. :mad:
When he was first crowned king, I would've never expected he would be able to achieve so much. The seemingly dull Eilif has became a real good ruler. I'm proud for him.
He’s done quite well considering.
I guess we can wait this out

What about the Sami or Sapmi or whatever on the north? They also seem to have coastal provinces, are they big enough to satisfy the pesky glory hounds?
Yes, it’s the glory hounds again. They will only contemplate fights against large enemies. These don’t rate unfortunately.
Banishment?
Per above – maybe, leaving the option on the side for now.
I'd replace the steward even if there weren't problems with voting. He's clearly better.
I think I will try. If he can be a loyalist or pragmatist, then I really only need one more to tie I have a 3-3 council and I can use my deciding vote to send it in the right direction. Or so I hope.
And a first success in the bag for Eilif. Tyuey's war does look to end in a failure though.

That second Hakon must have an interesting story to tell, too. He's the Conqueror, after all - was he already successful with a previous host, ended up driven out of his new home, to launch another host? If he succeeds again, he'll be the kind of guy sagas are told off.
The raids on Karelia were nice enough, but Eilif itched for a real conquest and now feels a lot better for getting it. Yes, Tyuey’s war looks to be on its last legs now – barring a miracle, I think he will lose. While not brilliant for the realm as a whole, had he won – he woulda been a goliath! As it looks like panning out, it puts Eilif in a more powerful relative position within the realm now. Silver linings.

The other Hakon would indeed make a good Viking saga!

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Ch73 Q1: Tyuey’s Legal Bid. Just checking here about the Tax Shifted Noble Obligations law Tyuey is forcing a vote on. Have I got that right – that it doesn’t really matter to a tribal society anyway? I get that it might later on, so I may still want to see it voted down on general principles, but it doesn’t seem to have any immediate impact. If it passed, would it have any other effect (practical or procedural) I haven’t picked up on? Or has Tyuey pretty much wasted a favour?
No immediate impact that I can think of, except maybe if there's an event that has this law as its trigger? That's a small chance though.
1) You have the right of it.
Hey, Tyuey's already thinking of his (more or less) distant descendants here! Yes, you are right - no effect until you actually have feudal vassals.
Many thanks guys – I’m slowly learning this game! ;)

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Ch73 Q2: Temporary Garrisons. I’ve been meaning to ask this for a while but only just remembered now: what happens to the garrison left behind in temporarily occupied holdings when the war ends? In this case, 52 soldiers in Zemgale. First, do these troops come from the attacking army or are they raised at first from the gained area? If they do come from the main army, are they returned on the conclusion of the peace treaty or do they disappear? It’s not a big amount here but I have been curious for a while: could be quite a few troops in a larger war. If anyone knows the mechanics of this, it would be interesting.
Q2: I dont think that the attacking army loses men to garrisson the captured land, though im not positive. I think once the war ends the garrisson goew back down because of the newly conquree modifiers.
Huh, never thought of this before. I'm pretty sure it doesn't come from the attacking army, I think they just appear out of thin air and disappear when their job is done. I'm not sure though.
2) They appear out of thin air, and disappear when peace comes.
They slowly reinforce the garrison from the homeland, so no cost for the army - and they return home at peace.
Thanks one and all – that settles it for me! An interesting little point, I felt.

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Ch73 Q3. Siege Equipment Knowledge in Subordinate Counties. Do I infer correctly from this that each separate contingent in a combined army laying siege has a different siege factor being applied according to the siege equipment level of its home county? Which are all then totalled in some algorithm by the game engine? So that troops from Toropets will contribute a little bit more than those from a county that hasn’t achieved that level yet? I hadn’t really thought about it to this point in that much granularity. With no active sieges or troops in the field to check now, is there somewhere I can mouse over to see that info in peacetime?
This is my understanding as well.
3) I think that's how it works, but I know of no tool tips do can't confirm.
Actually, siege tech is a leader bonus during sieges. You can check its effects with the tooltip of the siege progress. As the relative tech level is important here, my understanding is that higher siege tech in the county makes it take longer to besiege, while the siege tech of the capital is applied to all offensive sieges.

If that's right, then I don't see a way to check it outside of actual sieges.
Thanks everyone for that, @alscon especially for that detailed pointer: that re-balances with my understanding of previous answers about sieges where the realm score was the one for the attack, but that snippet about defence is an interesting one. If the opportunity arises and I can remember, I’ll see what I can get from subsequent sieges (as attacker and defender).

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Ch73 Q4: Casus Belli on Sweden. As laid out in the narrative, I simply don’t understand this one. Any idea as to what is preventing me from launching such a war on Sweden? I’ve looked and it works for the other surrounding realms, but maybe not on Noregr, for example, who I also don’t have a NAP with (I do with Denmark, so couldn’t test this on them). Is there fine print somewhere that says the tribal pagan single county conquest does not work on other Norse-Germanic realms or realms of the same culture and/or religion?
Beats me :/
4) I have consulted the secret runes, and they declare that the target must be of a different religion.
Yeah, unlike piety-based Islamic conquest, pagan conquests are only against other faiths.
Question solved – I thought it must have been something like that with the little experiments I was able to do.

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Ch73 Q5: Councillor Disposition and Relationship Score. We touched on this recently but now things are getting more specific. Will any Councillor with 95%+ opinion of the king automatically become a Loyalist in Council? Or can that be mitigated by other factors? It affects the ‘value proposition’ for bribing Councillors into compliance.
Never did this one, but Wiki the Red says 95+% is +10 for loyalist, and also 0.4 x opinion so a further ~40 points. 50 points sounds like a lot, but I have no idea if that would be enough or not without knowing the other factors. Also knowing the other factors can be helpful to decide which 2 of the final 3 candidates are easier to sway.
Hmm, useful, but this is something I’m going to have to keep learning about, as it will be important.
5) The runes show that there is deep magic here. It appears to not be automatic, but is just another boost. If they have other traits making them likely to go for other stances, even high opinion may not overcome it.
Again, useful. I know you get a ‘likely council disposition’ prediction and numbers when you mouse over a potential appointee to replace an existing councillor, but last time I did this (when Egill was eventually hired as Steward) I think I found I could only do that once they had been invited to the realm and arrived at court. Unless I was missing something. Which wouldn’t surprise me at all!
I can only echo the above. Useful, but not automatic.
Right. And all this feeds into the next question, where the gift bonus being a one-off, makes converting one of these glory hounds into a loyalist a little more difficult. But I will experiment, as those additional bonus for Councillors on top of the general opinion boost might just swing it … or it could be that other factors remain too strong. Only one way to find out!

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Ch73 Q6: Gifts. I take it (and am pretty sure I have read in other AARs) that you can provide more than one gift as many times as you want but want to be sure before I start throwing scarce coin around. Follow-up question is does the amount for next time increase each time you give a gift? And/or the amount of opinion gain decrease with subsequent gifts? That is, bribe inflation in cost and deflation in effect. If neither, excellent. If so, is there a rough rule of thumb as to how much the cost is likely to increase from bribe to bribe, or the effect decrease? I need an idea of these things before I can decide the cost effectiveness of doing it and whether I can afford the money to swing two councillors – probably Hrolfr and Grimr – my way.
Q6: You can send multiple gifts to one char, though only the first time gives relationship bonus. Im not sure if the amount increases the second time but I dont think so. I do know that trais determine the amount of thr gift so if a char js greedy the gift will cost more.
Right, so that has corrected my first misconception – that a second gift might give another (even if reduced) opinion boost.
6) You can give as many gifts as you want, but only the first will boost their opinion.
Confirmed.
A small clarification on the matter of gifts: The opinion modifier for a gift only lasts for a set duration (can't remember the specifics off the top of my head, but not much longer than a few months to a year IIRC). Fresh gifts won't add anything further to the opinion score until the modifier wears off, but unless Paradox has changed the way it works since I last paid attention to the fine print, subsequent gifts do reset the modifier's expiration date.

As far as gift costs go: I think that it's related in some way to the recipient's rank, size, and power, but I couldn't tell you specifics. I know from experience (read: murder plots) that it's much cheaper to bribe a landless courtier with no position than a councilor or a landed vassal.
Ah, this is very useful supplementary info. So then, if the modifier wears off then a subsequent gift can re-boost the opinion score again, just not stack it (which was my original thought) from a gift already given. Again, I’ll experiment with it I think.
Only one gift gives an opinion boost - but the value of these gifts depends on the character. As Lodin Skrin always says, 'greedy and generally indulgent characters like gifts more'.
The rating of costs also makes sense: we saw Tyuey was more expensive, for whatever reasons. Will try to drill down when I make an actual gift for influence and see if I can find anything instructive. I’m sure it will become more familiar with experience. In this realm, throwing money around on gifts either wasn’t much called for (under Rurik) or affordable (under Eilif, until now at least when he has some coin and an empowered Council to shift).

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Ch73 Q7: Sumarliði. Just checking on a few things here. Hope I have my calculation right about the marriage bonus, if I wait until he is Eilif’s courtier. Is that content +25 a bonus on his opinion of his liege (my assumption), or his liege’s opinion of him? In terms of the homosexual attraction bonus, who does that apply to? Just other male homosexual characters? A check on Grimr’s relationships with other characters seemed to indicate that was the case. All that said, any views on whether changing to Sumarliði might be a good trade? I could invite him to the court and then test his likely leanings on council once I’m able to change them over I again, I presume.
The +25 is the content character liking his/her liege. Homosexual (or for that matter any other trait attraction bonus) is towards other people having the same trait. I guess interestingly it would probably attract female homosexual characters as well. As I said just above, I think I'd definitely get him.
He sounds like a good prospect. And Eilif’s wife and concubines will be ‘safe’ from him, as well!
7) I think you have it right, but you'd have to try it to be certain.
I think Eilif will. He is broad-minded with these things for a ninth-century Viking!
Yes, it is towards his liege. The homosexual attraction is towards other male homosexuals... but it also makes him care for male sex appeal/attraction modifiers such as genetic traits and seducer.

Looking at his traits without asking Wiki the Red first, I'd say that he doesn't look likely to be a glory hound, at the very least. Appointing him depends on if you want to reduce the glory hound quota, and my guess would be that he's going to be a pragmatist.
Yes, too many glory hounds (five out of six Councillors at the moment) is proving difficult! A three-three balance would be nice. Then, depending on whether Eilif wants to be pragmatic or bold, he can throw his casting vote on the most useful side each time.

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Ch73 Q8: New Buildings. If Eilif were to go along the building path, are there any views as to which would be the best and most cost-effective choices at this point, on general principles for an early-game tribal realm? Of course, longer term plans would affect whether such a choice was pursued – more on that below. I’m just asking which would be the best if he was more interested in building up that going on the warpath in the near to mid-term.
Q8: I would focus almost entirely on presitige-cost infantry buildings, and largely avoiding weapon smith and practice range.
Thanks.
I think it pays itself in around 10 years or so? So if you have money, it's sure to turn profits at one point. The question is the opportunity cost, are there other buildings that we can save and build in the near future?
Talking about market villages/towns there?
8) More men = more war and more raiding and more money. Also, more being ahead when you flip to feudal.
Noted. I think the money can be better spent on influence and/or mercenaries at this point. Prestige will be a matter of build or splurge on a tribal army, depending on immediate next steps.
For a raider, money is less important to gain from holdings. And as a tribal realm, quantity is more important than quality, as a tribal army is weaker than a feudal one and relies more on the skirmish phase. Then again, a better levy refill rate is very useful for consequent warmongering.

I wouldn't give a definitive answer here.
Right, the levy refill seems to be pretty reasonable at the moment – I might lean towards light-infantry boosting buildings for now. If I build any.

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Ch73 Q9: Ambitions. Any general views on preferred paths (including variations or other options) always welcome. Can be as detailed (pros and cons) or general and brief as you like! Option 1: Warpath; retain cash and prestige until needed. Option 2: Middle Road; cash spent on getting the Council compliant, hold onto prestige. Option 3: wait and Build Tall; cash on Council and maybe a market building, prestige on a tribal building.
Q9: Market buildings can be tempting to spend gold on, but there not a great investment. Most gold will be gained by raiding and ransoms for tribal kingdoms. It can be worth it shortly before you plan on going feudal, along with upgrading most of the prestige buildings because upgrades become much more expensive at that point and it is useful to start with a well developed castle which is converted from tribal upgrades.
Good advice.
My gut feeling, I think, is for the middle parth.
It is a good path, balanced. But subjugating Sweden and maybe getting two of the three holy sites needed to reform would also be good. Timing could be everything. This seems like a golden opportunity to take Sweden – but might another come later? Decisions, decisions!
I think this also depends on with whom our council allows us to war. Is it only Sweden? If we make a subjugation war with them the shipyards will still stay our vassal's (or vassal's vassal's) so that would be not very useful from that regard. But we'll have a hell lot of new territory, one of the biggest subjugation targets that we might have (another might be Hungary, have we assessed them in that regard?) and with one of the holy sites I guess? But they don't have a single province in the empire of Rus. So pros/cons here.

What I mean is, to be able to decide if we'll go with option 1, 2 or 3 we should first decide on which realm Eilif will eventually use his subjugation on. If it's one that we can fight now, we can go with option 1. Option 2 sounds somewhat weak, I mean what use is to make council compliant if we won't vote for a war soon? I think we should either spend the cash on a building or two and wait for an opportunity (3), or spend it on council to immediately have a border war with a realm (preferably one with shipyards) that the council will allow us to war then (modified 2) if we're not making a subjugation war (1). I say let's think about possible subjugation targets (I'm thinking Tyuey might eventually get the best of Barsbek), is it only Sweden? Can Hungary be considered? Another one (that our council might allow after some adjustments)? If there's a good option, let's go with option 1. Otherwise, let's adjust the council and go for a border war (Minsk, or a shipyard province.

Already looking forward to some discussion and the next episode :)
@diskoerekto great comments, will do the usual feedback later, but some quick clarifications:

1. None of the northern Finnish kingdoms are large enough to interest the Council :(

2. Sweden is being considered mainly because of the Holy Sites they control (including the one off Holland) and the fact they are Norse Germanic. That would probably divert the Rurikids to a Scandinavian Empire path with reformed Germanic religion rather than a Russian Empire path.

3. The detailed middle road (Option 2) is gaining control of the Council for the express purpose of being able to launch all those wars Eilif has been prevented from. So rather than trying a big and glorious but risky subjugation of Sweden (Option 1 - hiring mercenaries and recruiting a tribal army to do it), Option 2 is bribing the Council then launching a series of border wars and maybe a subjugation on Chernigov as the largest undertaking, until the pacts that will start to form get in the way. That is the Russian Empire path.

So, reform and Norse first may be go for Sweden (now or as soon as it can be managed). The Russian Empire path may even mean biting the bullet, giving up the Norse-Germanic ambition, convert to a reformed religion, going feudal from that.

The Scandinavian route could be insurance against two longer term threats the Seers have foreseen in mystic ceremonies: the Mongols (set for historical appearance) and the Aztec Sunset Invasion (set for not before I think it is about the 13th century or 1300, I’ll have to check again next time I fire up the game). Also the threat of Christian Holy Wars and conversion attempts of the Norse brethren.

So this is quite an important strategic decision point. Of course, you can change direction later, but this could be quite a game-changing crossroads.
I would be against giving up being Norse-Germanic, this is kinda our thing isn't it? Staying tribal and going with whatever it brings would be what I'd prefer until we can reform Norse. On the other hand, I would be against giving up trying to reclaim the Empire of Rus as well. What I'm trying to say is, I have this vision of a Norse Rus Empire which might be cool so that's why I'm pushing here :) We're much closer to completing it than empire of Scandinavia as well anyway even assuming we subjugate Sweden.
I’d rather keep the Norse-Germanic theme going too – at least unless it’s proven to become virtually untenable down the track. One option is to do just enough to reform the faith but not pursue complete Scandinavian hegemony as the first priority. The empire objective could still be Russia. Though then there’s the Mongols to worry about …
We would have gone for the empire of Scandinavia in any case since we want the holy sites in any case, but I was thinking we'd go there as already an empire.
Possibly. Per above, could be a two-stage thing. But if staying Germanic religion, reforming it I think from all past discussions is a priority. Until I can, its going to be elective gavelkind and tribal ructions one after another.
Also, what about Hungary? Maybe the council would let us attack there as well.
They would, but I have no decent claims I can press on them and I don’t think a subjugation would either work or would be its best use.
9) I like three, but prefer forts to markets. Why pay the gold price when you could instead pay the iron price?
That makes sense re forts, especially for tribal (and they could convert to castles one day, I’m thinking).
As a Norse, there's no question here - warpath!

Sweden is an interesting target, even moreso as Eirikr is currently preoccupied. The question is if one can hold on to it. Risky, but could be a profitable war.

Subjugating Barsbek would be the safer alternative. As Tyuey's war is failing, Eilif can swoop in with no fear of losing his lifetime subjugation for nothing. Even if Tyuey could somehow turn the tide, his warscore from battles is negative, so Eilif would reach 100% sooner than him (or at the same time, would all Chernigov be occupied before reaching the score first).
It is an interesting choice and either could work. With Barsbek the ‘safe’ option, it comes down to timing and risk re Sweden. If it was to be Sweden though, the subjugation couldn’t be used on Barsbek: it would have to be border sniping in slower time, mixed in with others (assuming the Council persuasion plans succeed and those smaller border wars become possible).

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Well, there is much for Eilif to ponder and some really useful advice has helped to hone his options – thank you all very much for that and your continued support. Now, next will be to see what the King decides …:confused:
 
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after reading the Thing and thinking over, attacking Sweden when they're down really make sense especially since we need all those holy sites. It doesn't mean we'd have to abandon Russia anyway. After that war is over we can just check where we are in terms of empire building.
 
Chapter 74: Best Foot Forward (1 March – 9 October 899)
Chapter 74: Best Foot Forward (1 March – 9 October 899)

Previously, on Blut und Schlacht With victory against Curonia, Eilif must make some major decisions about war and peace … and the fate of his brother Dyre; the Council’s deliberation of Jarl Tyuey’s law proposal seems to drag on forever and in the meantime they seek glory abroad but frustrate Eilif’s ambitions closer to home; while Tyuey’s war to subjugate Barsbek the Liberator of Chernigov remains in big trouble.

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March 899

After receiving very comprehensive advice from the busiest Þing held in many years, Eilif sought first to see what he could do to bend his Council more closely to his will. Glory-seeking had its uses, but he wanted more of a balance to allow him a wider range of future decisions. His first political experiment was to offer gifts to the most positive two of his more powerful Council members.

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The effect was good enough, but not sufficient to shift their overall perspective. Though he hoped it would make them more loyal and likely to be cooperative on other matters as they arose. The beneficial feelings would last around another five years, he judged. Lacking limitless funds, that was enough for Eilif’s largesse for now. It was only later that he realised it may have been too much already.

He looked next at where the succession stood, as part of his continuing deliberations on what to do about his brother. Dyre remained the clear leading candidate to succeed him. One of his ‘good’ nephews Rikulfr was next and his young son Styrkar still only had his father’s vote. But he may accrue more over time, especially after he reached his majority, still many years away.

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With the drawn-out Council vote still in its early days, the King was prevented by law from replacing his Steward – who had not been informed of any such plans. This did not stop Eilif from inviting his possible replacement to join the court, however.

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Jarl Tyuey’s Yaroslavian army reached Holmgarðr on 23 March and, as it had done once before, turned around to head south again. But it was now a much-depleted force. Two of Barsbek’s vassals were investing Mozhaysk, but the location rest of the Chernigovan army was unknown.

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That same day, the King received worrying and indeed outrageous news from his mother’s spy network: there was a plot to murder his brilliant wife, Queen Ingrid. The instigator was a foreigner, so could not be ordered to stop. But at least there were no known accomplices in the court and the likelihood of it succeeding was small.

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Sumarliði Olafsson duly accepted Eilif’s invitation to come to Garðariki on 24 March and his wish to be married was satisfied the next days! Young Ingjerðr Hrörekrsdottir was a skilled money manager herself and of a similar age. The king hoped they would have as amicable relationship as Sumarliði’s personal leanings would allow.

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April 899

Still Eilif considered his options. In part, he was waiting to see what transpired between Tyuey and Barsbek. The latter was sighted again on 1 April, leading his 1,500-strong army from Mordva in the south-east towards Tyuey’s lands on the Oka River.

A report from the Chancellor’s office indicated the war between King Eirikr of Sweden and Duke Lambert of Luxembourg over Breda continued, with the Swedes still holding the upper hand [66% war score].

Marshal Hrolfr had been directed to report on the various shipyards Dyre held. He could command a fleet of over 30 longships – which Eilif had long coveted, more even than the levies that went with Dyre’s holdings. Whether for raiding or war, Eilif wanted them. And he was sick of waiting: the issue of Dyre would be brought to a head.

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He had his brother brought from the oubliette, cleaned up, dressed properly and brought to his presence.

“Dyre, long have you haunted me and sought my demise. A harsher or more vindictive king may have had you executed by now, but I’ll not be branded a kin-slayer for the sake of your wretched hide. And much as you may have deserved it, I’ve decided not to allow you to rot and go insane in the oubliette any longer.”

Dyre showed a little relief at all this and made to say something – but a single raised finger from his older brother caused him to stop before uttering anything. His position was precarious and the time in the dungeon had taught him a modicum of discretion.

“But your crimes – treason, in fact – will not go unpunished. You will have your freedom but be banished from this realm. All your title will be forfeited to the crown. You can take your wife and wealth and make your own way in the world – but nothing else. I don’t care where you go, as long as I never see you again. So be gone!”

With a glare but no word, Dyre turned and strode from the room. He may have lost all his titles but he knew he remained heir to the throne of Garðariki. He would be patient, leave those present with a memory of him walking with his head held high – and bide his time. Perhaps one day his time would come.

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He found a new home in the court of Chief Asbjörn of Gwent. Time would tell what, if anything, he would make of his new circumstances. And Eilif was free of his second familial rival, though both still lived, their malice distant but not diminished.

More to the point, Eilif now controlled a large part of the reunified Rurikid demesne, with just Buðli’s Jarldom of Belo Ozero held separately. And the royal levy had of course been strengthened. But his mother would still take years to forgive him for imprisoning Dyre – even though he had now been released and banished. Another drag on Council opinion.

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The new inheritances and Jarl Tyuey’s misfortune so far against Bersbek had now significantly improved Eilif’s relative power within his own realm. Though the notorious kin-slayer Gradimir was now his direct problem to manage and Chief Vseslav was also a potential thorn in the side.

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Orsha was still being rebuilt after its recent conquest. The four new counties Eilif has inherited would add over 1,300 men to his personal levies, as well as a sizeable fleet – at last.

But Eilif had decided on a new focus for his efforts – these two would remain a side-show for now. The Huscarls were ordered north to Narva from Pskov. They had orders to ready themselves for an attack on Swedish-held Reval. But a final decision had not yet been taken.

Also, Jarl Tyuey’s work to fabricate a claim on Narva was now redundant – but he could not be reassigned until 31 August. When he was free, Eilif was minded to send him to Naumadal in Noregr – the location of one of the Germanic holy sites and the place Rurik had sought to claim not long before he died. It might one day provide the means to reform the faith.

That same day, the Novgorodian Band was hired. Alas, there was no refund provided (as had been hoped for) on the 151.3 gold sign-on fee. This left only 23 gold in the treasury. Eilif was now regretting the 30 gold spent on earlier gifts to Hrolfr and Grimr. Unless the mercenaries provided a remittance back to the crown on their monthly fee, the treasury would soon run into trouble. But it was too late now: they were ordered to take the long march to Satakunta so as to be ready for a surprise attack on the other Swedish enclave of Finland. Grimr and Vihavald were sent to command the flanks of the mercenary army.

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While the two Garðarikian advance guards made their way to prospective stepping-off points, news came of the death of the old war-dog Sverker af Nöteborg. He had succumbed to his long illness and was dead at the ripe age (for the time) of 61. One of the last important figures of Rurik’s reign and a steadfast presence at some many of the realm’s battle over decades. His son Sölvi was already taking his legacy forward.

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That day, word arrived that the Queen Mother Ingjerðr had thrown her support behind Tyuey’s proposed law change to Tax Shifted Noble Obligations, which meant it had two in favour, the rest undecided. This was proving a painfully slow process.

Three days later, Gradimir showed his true – treacherous – colours. Being ruled by the Germanic-worshipping Rurikids must be causing him much stress: he simultaneously formed his own independence faction and joined Chief Vseslav’s faction to lower tribal organisation. The venomous snake! Neither faction was strong enough to cause genuine worry yet – and Eilif did not want to resolve the issue yet. He had bigger fish to ferment!

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The Huscarls arrived in Narva on 20 April, but the Novgorodian Band was still many days march from their stepping-off point. 24 April brought excellent news from Constantinople: the Queen Mother had once again gleaned more secrets from the Byzantines, this time on their cultural practices. It was just enough for Eilif to devise new precepts for religious and cultural tolerance in the realm: it would remain a diverse country for many years, however much Norse culture and the Germanic faith might spread eventually. This should make it a little easier to manage.

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And while reviewing these options, the Chancellor noticed there was an opportunity to advance economic opportunities: Eilif also approved new guidance to the construction of improved keeps. Perhaps one day Garðariki would be able to take advantage of the theoretical potential.

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May 899

A week into May, the Yaroslavian Army had made it to Vyazma and was once again returning to Chernigovan-occupied Bryansk, no doubt hoping to liberate it from the Liberator. Barsbek meanwhile was two weeks away from Radstofa, a holding of Tyuey's just south of his occupied capital of Yaroslavl. It looked like another direct clash would not come soon.

A message from one of the Queen Mother’s agents placed in Gwent to keep an eye on Dyre. He reported the former Jarl had been made Steward by his new liege in mid-May. It was his best skill, after all. Perhaps it would keep him occupied for a while. And away from siring children!

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The same agent noted there had been little change in the balance of the Swedish-Luxembourg war by 20 May [63% war score to Eirikr]. The realm’s coffers meanwhile were slowly being drained. The monthly balance was a loss of 2 gold and 55 silver, with only just over 21 gold left. If only I’d had those ships earlier and had managed to get a good raid in – we wouldn’t be suffering these money problems now, mused Eilif to himself. But I am impatient for glory – I will press on. For the glory of the Rurikids!

That day, Grimr announced he would vote against the law change. Two in favour, one against now.

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June 899

An even more despondent than usual Jarl Tyueykezhut reported to his king on a balmy June afternoon, while on a quick trip back to the capital for consultations, that he had no choice but to give up his attempt to subjugate High Chief Barsbek of Chernigov. He realised he had been soundly beaten. Though Eilif considered switching his attentions to Barsbek instead, he remained committed to the clash with Sweden.

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And that day Tyuey suffered another, though smaller setback. Queen Ingrid had decided to oppose his law reform. It was now two votes each, with three undecided (one of them Eilif himself). On 13 June, Egill declared his support to Tyuey: three-two. Then on 19 June, Hrolfr declared his opposition: three-all! It meant the King would have the casting vote – but still the process dragged on without a final result.

“Is there something I’m missing here, Hrörekr?” he asked his old Lawspeaker that evening. “Some way of precipitating a final vote I’ve been unable to discover? Or must I simply wait for a notification from the Council when it is ready – if it ever will be?”

“I’m unsure, My Liege. This is the first such legislative vote in the history of the realm,” the old man answered – carrying on stoically despite his age and illness.

“The Þing?”

“Exactly, my Liege.”

Eilif would have to stew away until this tortuous process was over. Then he’d look into at least replacing the steward to see if a successor might be more malleable.

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Ch74 Q1. Voting. A double-barrelled question here. First, am I missing something? I’ve tried but haven’t found a way to precipitate the vote. The relevant button is greyed out in the legislation panel and the mouse-over says all the votes are still undecided, even though it’s three-three. Does Eilif just have to wait for a prompt or event to trigger? I had actually played through until mid-November and still the vote had not occurred. The second is what views are about voting for or against this proposition – if it ever comes to it. Will Tyuey get pissed off if I vote against it? Looking forward to when we may become a feudal realm, is it generally preferable in a low-income realm to vote against such things, because the levy is more valuable than any likely tax offset?

The next day, Grimr made the king aware of another decision: he had declared a conquest war on Mstislavl – the same province the Council had forbidden Eilif to conquer himself because it wasn’t “glorious enough”! Ah well, Eilif now had a good swathe of counties under his control and at least the county would become part of the realm. And to a now very loyal vassal.

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And to the east, High Chief Kinyak of Mari had decided to make his first conquest – not against one of his nephews, but against the Muslim High Chief Aksonqor the Just of the Yabguid. At least Kinyak was causing his mischief as far away from Garðariki as possible!

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That same day, a seemingly insignificant past judgement came back to bite Eilif on the arse. Still, it could have been worse. But the loss of prestige reduced the margin on the ‘magical’ [ie 500] amount of prestige required to summon a tribal army if necessary. A reserve Eilif wanted to keep ready just in case the war against Sweden took a difficult turn.

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Dan’s mercenary army reached Kexholm on 29 June after a lengthy march. And the royal treasury grew ever emptier, now down to just 15 gold.

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July 899

And it took another month for them to reach Uusimaa, but they finally did on 29 July. At last! Though only 13 gold was left in the treasury, Eilif was determined to strike Sweden now – and use the mercenaries (his own old band) while they were still in his employ. It would be war – the greatest conflict not just of his own reign, but of the Rurikid dynasty so far, against one of the great Norse ruling houses. If the Council wanted a glorious conflict, he would give it to them! Even if it looked like Eirikr was nearing a successful completion of his war against Luxembourg.

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It was Eilif’s “once in a lifetime” opportunity. And his aim was not just to greatly expand the realm of the Rurikids but as much or more to seek to bring three holy sites under his rule (Sweden currently controlled two) and thus reform the faith. Victory in war and then perhaps diligent raiding and a cautious selection of ambitions and focus would hopefully get him the piety he also needed to complete this great task.

The Novgorodian band was immediately sent to occupy Finland. The other nearby levies (those recently inherited from Dyre) would also concentrate there. The rest were ordered to Narva, to concentrate on Þorsteinn and the Huscarl Company. A call went out to all the vassals to see who might answer. And now the largest of them – Tyuey himself – was free of his war against Barsbek, even if Grimr had sought his own adventure first.

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And Eilif also gleefully summoned his new fleet, to concentrate initially off the south-western coast of Finland. They could see what may be coming the other way and also be ready to ferry troops across to Sweden if called to do so.

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August 899

By 2 August all the vassal responses to the call to arms were in: only those expected to decline had done so: Tihomir of Luki; and the ‘Treasonous Two’ new chiefs inherited from Dyre, Gradimir of Tver and Veseslav of Vyazma. Well, rot them! They would share none of the glory, and the latter two would pay in time for their treachery. Grimr was thanked for his offer, but his presence was excused until he had won his border war against Halfdan. The fight against Sweden would likely take a very long time, so Grimr could join when he was ready.

Buðli had again silenced the doubters and responded faithfully: Eilif was becoming more sympathetic to his longstanding desire for a place on the Council if the right opportunity came up. Tyuey, Hrolfr, Grimr and Vihavald of Ingria had answered the call as expected. It would make a substantial follow-on host. Their orders were to rendezvous in Austerbotn, where Jarl Tyuey – one of the best military leaders in the realm – was given the command. Free now from his work in Narva, the claim seeking on Naumadal could ait for a while. The vassal army could either take ship [though I wouldn’t have thought allies can jump on my ships, even if accompanying one of my armies] or go ‘the long way’ around through northern Finland, depending on how things unfolded. All except Vihavald would have a long march to from the east of the realm to muster for their insertion into the war.

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Ch74 Q2. Allies and Ships. So, as mentioned above, I’m assuming the vassal allies can't use my ships, even if they are attached to one of my armies? Note, I only realised later that there is a land bridge from Finland to Sweden proper – the little red dash wasn’t exactly prominent. But at this stage of the campaign, I was unaware.

With the Narva levy mustered, Þorsteinn had enough troops to begin his siege of Reval. He took the local regiment with his battle-hardened Huscarls and marched immediately. He could wait for the rest to join them in due course.

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Then, just a day later, amazing and very inconvenient news arrived from the far north. Poor Tyuey, recently arrived to take command and await reinforcements, had been ambushed from the sea by a raiding party led by Chieftess Vanamo of Kemi!

Eilif didn’t know whether to laugh or cry – so he just yelled and swore, loudly: "By Loki's gangrenous ball-sack, the Gods do toy with me, even as I try to do their work!"

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In other news from afar, King Olafr of Noregr had exacted a measure of revenge on King Hugh the Fat of Scotland. He had won the war on 7 August and taken Caithness. Though no blood eagle for now, it would seem.

With reinforcements still some way off and the mercenaries not to be diverted from their objective in Finland, Tyuey sought to break off his losing battle in Austerbotn on 18 August, before more needless casualties were suffered. [It was here that 49 Swedish levies fleeing across from Finland to Åland alerted me to the straits crossing point there. I would make use of it later if I could.]

Þorsteinn arrived in Reval on 24 August and began the unglamorous work of besieging the hill fort there. Then on 27 August, Loki had more fun with the Garðarikians: heralds brought word of Eirikr’s victory over Luxembourg and the conquest of Breda in far off Holland. This would mean Eirikir would no longer be diverted there. Though taking the long (and optimistic) view, it would be one more county under Garðarikian control once the Swedes were subjugated!

That day also marked the point at which Tyuey managed to extract himself from the battle in Austerbotn and retreated south to Satakunta. At least casualties had been fairly light with the early retreat.

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And while all that was happening, the fleet had concentrated and was ordered to the Gulf of Finland, where they would pick up the bulk of the mustering royal levies. In Finland, Dan’s mercenaries had arrived and began siege works there. Eirkr had not yet called his vassals to war, but it was rumoured he had begun to send out messengers to do so. As with Eilif, it was expected most but not all would come when asked. Eirikr’s personal levy was similar in size to Eilif’s – though only because of a tribal army he had summoned, it was presumed for the war in Holland. And the treasury was coming close to deficit, which would be a blow to morale and may result in the loss of the Novgorodian band.

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The fleeing Swedes in Åland who alerted me to the land bridge there are circled in orange.

Ch74 Q3: Finances. I realised I had overspent in my experiment with influencing the council earlier. I had miscalculated three things: first, not getting any remittance or discount on the hiring fee for my ‘own’ mercenary band; second, not getting any remittance back from the monthly fee; and third, the cost of maintaining the levy. With the last, previously I’d had plenty of money or hadn’t also been hiring mercenaries at the same time. I thought I’d have had longer before the money ran out, time for a few quick strikes with the mercs while the levies mustered behind. Fine in theory, butchered a bit in execution. For this question, I’ve gone ahead to show where finances stood as at 14 November: still increasing the deficit. Is there anything I can do about it? Maybe even siphon some troops off for a side-raid with the ships I now have? And how severe will the ‘morale effect' of the deficit become?

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September 899

Amidst the excitement and confusion of the early stages of a great war, a welcome ray of light shone out from Zaozerye: one of Rurik’s earliest conquests had embraced the Germanic faith! They would now be bathed in Odin’s light. Perhaps it was Buðli’s doing or spontaneous; either way it was good news.

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Not so good was news on 14 September that Chief Vseslav of Vyazma had joined that rogue Gradimir’s independence faction. In time of war. The poisonous toads. Eilif was known for his justice. But it could also be harsh. Even if for now, it could not be swift, given he was in the fight of his life against the Depraved King of the Swedes.

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Far away in Constantinople, a week later the Queen Mother had made yet another breakthrough to help the general war effort. It meant new techniques of shipbuilding could be applied in Eilif’s newly secured shipyards.

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On 24 September, the news Eilif had dreaded was delivered by his (still) Steward Egill: the money had run out. Very bad news all round – for the armies, the ability to hold onto the mercenaries and for law and order back home. The immediate response was to use the mercenaries while they could still be directed and then they would have to be released before the realm went even further into debt. An assault was ordered on the tribal fort in Finland. It was over in two days with relatively light casualties. In retrospect, Eilif thought he should have done this earlier – as soon as possible after they had arrived a month before.

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As soon as the assault was finished, Dan was ordered to try to seize Åland to secure the land bridge – and extract the last few coins worth of value out of them. Two days later, the fleet had arrived in the Gulf of Finland to find seven of Eilif’s levy regiments available for boarding. Þorsteinn was left with his smaller force to complete the siege of Reval. The rest were ordered to board ship: there would be just enough room for all of them. They would sail for Sweden as soon as they were all loaded, in the hope of making some ground before the enemy had been able to concentrate his forces – and repatriate what ever troops must remain in Holland. By then, three of Eirikr’s vassals had agreed to aid him – but a few had refused.

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October 899

Just a few days before they would have made it to Årland, Dan informed Eilif that, in the absence of further pay, he considered their contract void. At least the band headed off quietly and did not loot and pillage as they went.

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Questions

Ch74 Q1. Voting. A double-barrelled question here. First, am I missing something? I’ve tried but haven’t found a way to precipitate the vote. The relevant button is greyed out in the legislation panel and the mouse-over says all the votes are still undecided, even though it’s three-three. Does Eilif just have to wait for a prompt or event to trigger? I had actually played through until mid-November and still the vote had not occurred. The second is what views are about voting for or against this proposition – if it ever comes to it. Will Tyuey get pissed off if I vote against it? Looking forward to when we may become a feudal realm, is it generally preferable in a low-income realm to vote against such things, because the levy is more valuable than any likely tax offset?

Ch74 Q2. Allies and Ships. So, as mentioned above, I’m assuming the vassal allies can't use my ships, even if they are attached to one of my armies? Note, I only realised later that there is a land bridge from Finland to Sweden proper – the little red dash wasn’t exactly prominent. But at this stage of the campaign, I was unaware.

Ch74 Q3: Finances. I realised I had overspent in my experiment with influencing the council earlier. I had miscalculated three things: first, not getting any remittance or discount on the hiring fee for my ‘own’ mercenary band; second, not getting any remittance back from the monthly fee; and third, the cost of maintaining the levy. With the last, previously I’d had plenty of money or hadn’t also been hiring mercenaries at the same time. I thought I’d have had longer before the money ran out, time for a few quick strikes with the mercs while the levies mustered behind. Fine in theory, butchered a bit in execution. For this question, I’ve gone ahead to show where finances stood as at 14 November: still increasing the deficit. Is there anything I can do about it? Maybe even siphon some troops off for a side-raid with the ships I now have? And how severe will the ‘morale effect' of the deficit become?

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Having failed to win over his Council and dreaming of grand conquests and the future of the Germanic faith, Eilif had summoned the conquering spirit of his father and called on the support of the Gods for this great test of blood and battle. How will they answer? They are notoriously fickle and speak with many voices, including Loki's. And the Swedes will be invoking the same Gods to strengthen their arms. Will the lack of gold become fatal for the campaign? The next batch of translations from the Rurikid scroll trove will reveal how the following phase of the campaign unfolded. And will the Council ever vote on Tyuey's proposal? [Or is the game bugged and stuck, given it's about five months after it reached 3-3 with Eilif seemingly unable to cast his deciding vote?]

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AuthAAR’s Endnote: I had actually played on for another month in the campaign, but in writing it up realised I must finish this chapter here for space considerations - which wasn’t a bad break-point. So, in terms of general tactical advice, the next steps have been taken, though not too far (hint: a battle has been fought on the Swedish mainland).

I must say that the miscalculation about the mercs and campaign costs (especially the 30 gold spent fruitlessly on gifts earlier, before the final decision had been taken to invade Sweden) made me pine a little for a scum-save, but being in Ironman and committed to fessing up to and living with any mistakes made for the learning journey, I just gritted my teeth and went on. And it wasn’t as bad as the time I was playing Rurik, forgot to pause the game when I answered the phone and lost three tribal armies from inattention! :eek:

All in all, it was for me an exciting and enjoyable session and something a I learned quite a bit from. I just hope the deficit lesson isn’t as severe as I’m worried it might be! In retrospect, I might have been better served to let Sweden finish it's war with Luxembourg: maybe Eirikr's tribal army would have stood down. And in that time, maybe one decent raid in Western Europe to boost the war chest would have been advisable. Such is CK2 newbiness and 20-20 rear vision! :rolleyes:

PS: I tried Googling the issue of the seemingly stuck Council vote and could find nothing useful (including whether it was possible to precipitate the vote so Eilif can cast his deciding ballot). So I throw myself on the mercy of the hive mind on that one: is it normal for the vote to drag on that long, including months after all the Council members had picked their side? :confused:
 
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So the banishment tooltip is lying? Lucky for you. I haven't tried that for a while due to the apparently high penalties, but it turns out not everyone is hating Eilif for being a tyrant. Then again, they may start to not exactly like him for his questionable decisions here in ruining the realm during a probably decisive war :rolleyes:.

Who will come out as the strongest Norse realm? Eirikr seems to have the advantage now. And the vultures are already circling (or rather raiding, as in Vanamo's case).

Ch74 Q1. Voting. A double-barrelled question here. First, am I missing something? I’ve tried but haven’t found a way to precipitate the vote. The relevant button is greyed out in the legislation panel and the mouse-over says all the votes are still undecided, even though it’s three-three. Does Eilif just have to wait for a prompt or event to trigger? I had actually played through until mid-November and still the vote had not occurred. The second is what views are about voting for or against this proposition – if it ever comes to it. Will Tyuey get pissed off if I vote against it? Looking forward to when we may become a feudal realm, is it generally preferable in a low-income realm to vote against such things, because the levy is more valuable than any likely tax offset?
L'état c'est moi. What I mean is that I can't really answer that as I tend to play absolute rulers, and even if I don't it has been a while since I've let a councillor have a favour and force a vote :rolleyes:.
My guess would be that the councillors were undecided, but votes trickle in slowly anyway. You should be able to pick Eilif's stance, but I can't recall where.

Ch74 Q2. Allies and Ships. So, as mentioned above, I’m assuming the vassal allies can use my ships, even if they are attached to one of my armies? Note, I only realised later that there is a land bridge from Finland to Sweden proper – the little red dash wasn’t exactly prominent. But at this stage of the campaign, I was unaware.
Nope. The only troops who can use your ships are your own. They have to cross over to Sweden by themselves.

Ch74 Q3: Finances. I realised I had overspent in my experiment with influencing the council earlier. I had miscalculated three things: first, not getting any remittance or discount on the hiring fee for my ‘own’ mercenary band; second, not getting any remittance back from the monthly fee; and third, the cost of maintaining the levy. With the last, previously I’d had plenty of money or hadn’t also been hiring mercenaries at the same time. I thought I’d have had longer before the money ran out, time for a few quick strikes with the mercs while the levies mustered behind. Fine in theory, butchered a bit in execution. For this question, I’ve gone ahead to show where finances stood as at 14 November: still increasing the deficit. Is there anything I can do about it? Maybe even siphon some troops off for a side-raid with the ships I now have? And how severe will the ‘morale effect' of the deficit become?

The morale effect can be decisive, it's a fairly high penalty for your troops, and if they retreat faster, they've less of a chance to come out victorious. Leaders who inflict morale damage are amongst my favourites and can really make up for enemy numbers. As the Rurikids are surrounded by defensive pagans, the effect of morale can be seen easily whenever you fight them on land of their religion - it's very important.

I think that toggling raids during wartime was already prohibited in the patch before HF, one of the reasons also being so that you can't use tribal armies for it. Without that option you may have the ransom one - imprison whoever you have a reason for, pray that you get good prisoners in battles/sieges.
Or a more gamey one - invite over relatively rich guys without families, and murder them. Their liege inherits their gold. You could probably attempt this on the leader of your band after disbanding it.
Even more gamey, you may pause, convert to Christianity per concubine, take a loan from the jews, expel them, and instantly convert back per capital. Though I don't know if Eilif's got the piety and prestige for that, nor if the one-second conversion would disable the subjugation (it should). Besides, it is an evil and you really shouldn't do it.