Possibility of a "greater british empire"

[Sunforged General]

I stumbled upon this map, and it got me wondering, could the British Empire have grown to such colossal proportions as this? Even if the British had won the revolutionary war, snatched up Spain and Frances colonies through victorious wars, and had a bunch of Kings in the 1800s who were hyper imperialist?

Would winning the revolutionary war, expanding across north America, and industrializing it and exploiting its resources have given the British the economic power to sustain the conquests shown in this map?



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[Andre Bolkonsky]

Look who has returned.

The map looks like someone playing Risk and winning. The next turn they should pick up Mexico to get the 7 points for North America, then start hammering Asia.

As long as they keep up the Alamo fortress in Great Britain, the other player can't get the points for Europe.

 

[Sunforged General]

Look who has returned.

The map looks like someone playing Risk and winning. The next turn they should pick up Mexico to get the 7 points for North America, then start hammering Asia.

As long as they keep up the Alamo fortress in Great Britain, the other player can't get the points for Europe.

Ah yes, my tireless fan, I have indeed returned. You will find me a stubborn question asker. However, id much prefer to discus a map like this involving hearts of iron IV, seeing as how I have a British Empire nearly this big.

But back to the actual question, which was is an Empire this large feasible, not is it fun to play as in a game.

 

[Sarmatia1871]

I don't think anything would make Cecil Rhodes' crazy dream possible

 

[Andre Bolkonsky]

Look at the top of the map. 'This is contained in the Last Will and Testament of Cecil Rhodes'.

This map is designed to go alongside Cecil Rhodes', owner of DeBeers diamond mines and the fabulous wealth flowing from it, 'Confession of Faith'.

The Confession of Faith calls for the extreme wealth generated by DeBeers mines to build a secret society based upon the Jesuit Order to rule the lesser races under the benevolent mastery of the Anglo-Saxon Overlords for the express intent of bringing the earth as portrayed on that map under British rule.

As oposed to Adolph Hitler, who used the Jesuit Order to build the SS to rule the lesser races under the benevolent mastery of the Aryan Overlords for the express intent of bringing the earth under German rule.

Whenever someone starts selling the concept of One World Government, of which Cecil Rhodes is a poster child, the Jesuit Order has a peculiar habit of always being nearby.

What it does not explain is how South America (or the rest of the map) is magically supposed to come under British authority, and the fact the other nations are supposed to just throw up their hands and surrender is just about as realistic as Hitler thinking he would attack, but it would be unfair for anyone to attack him back.

Don't believe me and reaching for that 'disagree' button? Read the document, as posted by the University of Oregon, for yourself.

 

[Sunforged General]

Look at the top of the map. 'This is contained in the Last Will and Testament of Cecil Rhodes'.

This map is designed to go alongside Cecil Rhodes', owner of DeBeers diamond mines and the fabulous wealth flowing from it, 'Confession of Faith'.

The Confession of Faith calls for the extreme wealth generated by DeBeers mines to build a secret society based upon the Jesuit Order to rule the lesser races under the benevolent mastery of the Anglo-Saxon Overlords for the express intent of bringing the earth as portrayed on that map under British rule.

As oposed to Adolph Hitler, who used the Jesuit Order to build the SS to rule the lesser races under the benevolent mastery of the Aryan Overlords for the express intent of bringing the earth under German rule.

Whenever someone starts selling the concept of One World Government, of which Cecil Rhodes is a poster child, the Jesuit Order has a peculiar habit of always being nearby.

What it does not explain is how South America (or the rest of the map) is magically supposed to come under British authority, and the fact the other nations are supposed to just throw up their hands and surrender is just about as realistic as Hitler thinking he would attack, but it would be unfair for anyone to attack him back.

Don't believe me and reaching for that 'disagree' button? Read the document, as posted by the University of Oregon, for yourself.

Thats actually pretty interesting stuff, I was not aware about the secret plan to use DeBeers wealth to establish a secret society bent on world domination. Thanks, ill look into it

 

[Avernite]

I am pretty sure Rhodes is saying to copy the concept of the Jesuits, not recruit them. He admires what they achieved under supposed bad leadership, but he would not shackle his Anglo dreams to a continental Order.

 

[Ming]

Just coastal china? Those aren't even the good parts. Sichuan or gtfo.

I would love to see the factional interests that would develop over the U.K. Commanding the labor of both India and the American South.

 

[Andre Bolkonsky]

I am pretty sure Rhodes is saying to copy the concept of the Jesuits, not recruit them. He admires what they achieved under supposed bad leadership, but he would not shackle his Anglo dreams to a continental Order.

Yes. To a certain extent I agree with you wholeheartedly.

 

[Andre Bolkonsky]

Just coastal china? Those aren't even the good parts. Sichuan or gtfo.

I would love to see the factional interests that would develop over the U.K. Commanding the labor of both India and the American South.

Not to mention the whole of Africa and South America.

 

[Easy-Kill]

Did somebody mention British Empire? You piqued my interest.

Would winning the revolutionary war help establish a greater British empire? Probably not in terms of land conquest ... However it did not stop Britain from building a substantial trade empire which was far more valuable than its own land empire. This is particularly pertinent in the early 20th century when the British Empire was at its greatest land/population extent. It was trading more with the independent Americas than the rest of the empire combined - with imperial trade accounting for roughly 1/3 of trade.

That is, Britain's unnoficial empire was just as important to it as the bits painted pink on the map.

 

[Baron Jukaga]

I'd say not in a million years, but it's sure fun to play it out in Fuhrerreich for HOI4.

 

[Graf Zeppelin]

I stumbled upon this map, and it got me wondering, could the British Empire have grown to such colossal proportions as this? Even if the British had won the revolutionary war, snatched up Spain and Frances colonies through victorious wars, and had a bunch of Kings in the 1800s who were hyper imperialist?

Would winning the revolutionary war, expanding across north America, and industrializing it and exploiting its resources have given the British the economic power to sustain the conquests shown in this map?





https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/6u74gv/greater_british_empire_as_envisioned_in_the_will/

So they have everything but couldnt keep Gibraltar ?

 

[IsadorBG]

Supposedly the UK would have to at least wage large wars against France,Germany and Japan to achieve this. That's if we accept the premise that they won the independence war and somehow got California for free. (among many other things)

However that indeed looks like what a anglo version of Hitler would come up with as his goes to war with the whole world at once.

 

[Xeorm]

Highly doubtful. In order to grab an empire anywhere near that size they'd have to begin integrating territories instead of merely having "ownership" of them. This is a country that hasn't arguably integrated Scotland in 500 years. They're terrible at integrating. They couldn't integrate any of their colonies and I don't think they even saw the point of it.

 

[Henry IX]

The British were stretched to maintain their empire as it was. The cost of financing an empire this size would be virtually impossible. The empire was a net drain on the government's finance throughout most of its period. It was a benefit to the British economy as a whole and so eventually fed through to greater prosperity and taxes but at any given point the finances leveed from the empire were generally less than the costs of holding it. This means that the only way to control an empire that size would be through massive taxation or debt. Neither strategy will work in the long term.

 

[Sunforged General]

So they have everything but couldnt keep Gibraltar ?

Sounds like a fair trade. lol

 

[Sunforged General]

I think we all know at heart Cecil Rhodes true goal was this. Lol

 

[Sarmatia1871]

Highly doubtful. In order to grab an empire anywhere near that size they'd have to begin integrating territories instead of merely having "ownership" of them

Nah, pretty much the opposite. The only way you could conceivably have an empire covering that sort of extent (particularly with 19th and early-20th century communications and transport technologies), would be if the consituent parts of it had huge levels of autonomy. In practice, this was how most of the actual British empire was run, with it being an incredibly ramshackle and inconsistent thing: huge variation in practice and reliance on local elites (as well as the constant threat of clobbering people with troops and gunboats) was the only way of keeping the system together.

So if we magic up the borders imagined by Cecil Rhodes, then these trends are just going to be even more extreme. And as mentioned above, there are going to be big rivalries and competing agendas between the various constituent parts.

 

[gagenater]

Throw out the Americas, Korea, the Phillipines and Japan, and it's maybe possible in theory, depending on your definition of 'control' Once you do that all it would require would be for the UK to obtain nominal control over the colonies of other european powers, while maintaining economic hegemony on the coastal trade of China. Some sort of magically massive British Naval superiority might cause it.