Any Surviving Examples of Moorish Full plate armor?

[King Firas]

Recently I have read that in the 15th century, Grenadians started adopted using plate armor similar to that of the spanish.

I have found a few pics of some armor pieces:

Its very interesting seeing plat covered with moorish designs. Any one have any pictures of a full plate covered with the designs? It seems that the Grenadian nobles adopted wearing full plate (like the knights), however I would love to see how it looked like.

Also it seems they had 2 common designs (as shown in the 3rd pic)

EDIT:After some thorough research, it seems that the Jousting armor (1st photo) and the sallets from 2nd and last picture are no longer attributed to Boabdil (although in the first pic in the bottom of the page it says Boabdil) but instead are now attributed to Philip I the handsome. I don't know how they got to this conclusion though.

 

[Henry IX]

Boabdil (Mohamed XII), the last king of Grenada, had this as his jousting kit. The helmet is clearly of the same style (or the same actual item) as the first illustration. Stylistically it is virtually identical to jousting armour of the same period in Spain, although the helm is slightly more unusual.

 

[King Firas]

Boabdil (Mohamed XII), the last king of Grenada, had this as his jousting kit. The helmet is clearly of the same style (or the same actual item) as the first illustration. Stylistically it is virtually identical to jousting armour of the same period in Spain, although the helm is slightly more unusual.

Interesting!

Is his full plate of the first illustration still around? Because other than the helmet everything else in this picture is different from the illustration.

Also in the third pic it depicts 2 styles of moorish plate helm, one was this, I couldn't find any pictures of that helmet. But since the styles of his plate and this jousting armor are the same as the spanish ones, I assume they would have looked like the rest of the Spanish helmets.

I also couldn't find the rest of the armor that black sallet at the end, I can only imagine how beautiful it would have been. I assume it might have been taken by one of the conquistador nobles as loot.

Edit: I was a bit surprised by how the moors actually wore plate armors. Maybe at that point in time the cultures were so similar they only had the religion as major difference.

Edit 2:
I assume the 2nd type of helmet looked like this one of the Spanish troops. So it seems like they simply adopted the use of plate armor from the Spanish. I think if the armors had islamic writing on them the Spanish maybe have discarded the armors, which might be why there is not many remaining pieces.

 

[Henry IX]

Is his full plate of the first illustration still around? Because other than the helmet everything else in this picture is different from the illustration.

The only images I can find in 10 mins of strenuous googling, often looking at the second or even third page hits (shock! horror!), are either the one I posted or the OP's images.

 

[Herbert West]

Where in the hell are the eye slits?

 

[elektrizikekswerk]

Where in the hell are the eye slits?

Exactly my thoughts...

 

[Herbert West]

Exactly my thoughts...

I figured it out. If this is jousting armor, then you only need to see well enough to ride and aim your lance. So that weird thing on the helmet that looks like a door, just above the lance couch is the eye visor, currently closed.

 

[AjayAlcos]

Fascinating this. Thanks for sharing

 

[King Firas]

After some thorough research, it seems that the Jousting armor (1st photo) and the sallets from 2nd and last picture are no longer attributed to Boabdil (although in the first pic in the bottom of the page it says Boabdil) but instead are now attributed to Philip I the handsome. I don't know how they got to this conclusion though.

however found this pic:

 

[Premu]

Edit: I was a bit surprised by how the moors actually wore plate armors. Maybe at that point in time the cultures were so similar they only had the religion as major difference.

Why wouldn't they? Plate armor was very effective against almost everything that you could throw at it and I assume that they had the technology to produce them just like the Spaniards. So it would be aactually weird to see them not makeing the same upgrade like their foes.

 

[King Firas]

Found more interesting Pictures:

 

[King Firas]

Why wouldn't they? Plate armor was very effective against almost everything that you could throw at it and I assume that they had the technology to produce them just like the Spaniards. So it would be aactually weird to see them not makeing the same upgrade like their foes.

True. Its just that when someone thinks of knights the picture of muslim knights is not what comes to mind. Especially the Saragossa Helmet is something I would have ever imagined a muslim knight would wear.

 

[Henry IX]

I figured it out. If this is jousting armor, then you only need to see well enough to ride and aim your lance. So that weird thing on the helmet that looks like a door, just above the lance couch is the eye visor, currently closed.

You would lean forwards so you could peer out of the narrow slit at the top of the helmet, just under the round dome on top. Just before the impact you lean back so the vision slit is hidden.

The door is for between the passes, when it can be opened to allow vision and some air. It would generally be locked during the actual joust.

The way this works can be clearly seen from this example for the Royal Armouries in Leeds (it is a Christian example, but is similar in pattern to the Moorish).

 

[th3freakie]

Subscribing to a thread extremely relevant to my interests.

 

[King Firas]

I found this nice image, you can see some of the Muslim (Moorish) heavy cavalry wore the "Christian armor" as stated by the Alhambra museum.

 

[Antediluvian Monster]

True. Its just that when someone thinks of knights the picture of muslim knights is not what comes to mind. Especially the Saragossa Helmet is something I would have ever imagined a muslim knight would wear.

I found this nice image, you can see some of the Muslim (Moorish) heavy cavalry wore the "Christian armor" as stated by the Alhambra museum.

A quick search indicates that rulers of Granada employed a corps of christian mercenaries as their personal guard in the 15th century. The "Moorish" soldiers depicted are not necessarily muslim. And conversely the christian powers of the region employed muslim troops.

 

[King Firas]

A quick search indicates that rulers of Granada employed a corps of christian mercenaries as their personal guard in the 15th century. The "Moorish" soldiers depicted are not necessarily muslim. And conversely the christian powers of the region employed muslim troops.

Those are Muslim soldiers though.
Here is my source: http://www.alhambra-patronato.es/fileadmin/pdf/CATALOGO_Armas_y_enseres_de_la_defensa_nazar__.pdf

And Moorish soldiers did adopt using armors of their christian neighbors as stated in many different sources, including muslim ones. Here is what Sa‘īd al-‘Ansī said about the moorish army in the rule of the sultan Muḥammad I (1232-1273):
"The sultans and their troops have adopted the costumes of their Christian Neighbors as well as their weapons."

Ian Heath's book which I linked some pictures above, states that moorish soldiers in 13th century used heaumes and Saragossa helmets.

 

[NapoleonComple]

This stuff looks like a nightmare to ride and fight in.

 

[Herbert West]

This stuff looks like a nightmare to ride and fight in.

It's jousting armour, the only thing you do is ride down a line and aim a lance, hence the eye-slit not even being in the right position.

While there are some full coverage helmets with eyeslits as small as that one, a lot of them have more visibility. But yes, seeing out of any of them is a pain.

 

[th3freakie]

It's jousting armour, the only thing you do is ride down a line and aim a lance, hence the eye-slit not even being in the right position.

While there are some full coverage helmets with eyeslits as small as that one, a lot of them have more visibility. But yes, seeing out of any of them is a pain.

I mean, that, OR, they actually acted as VR helmets, but we since lost the tech.