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Explain how it was "aggression" to try to reclaim their own lands that were taken in an invasion not one year earlier?

Reclaiming, plus seizing USSR's territory as much as possible and ideas of Finish elite about Great Finland....

Subphases of the Finnish invasion of Karelia during the 1941 general offensive. The old 1939 border is marked in grey:
Map_of_Finnish_operations_in_Karelia_in_1941.png



This shows a startling level of naivete. You really need to read up on basic Soviet history.

Ok, Let's check original USSR's orders for operation in june 25, 1941:

Google translation:

1. https://warspot.ru/3442-pochemu-ne-udalsya-udar-po-finskim-mirno-spyaschim-aerodromam?page=2
"June 24, 1941

1. It has been established from reliable sources that German troops are concentrated in Finland, with the aim of striking at Leningrad and seizing the region of Murmansk and Kandalaksha. To date, up to four infantry divisions have been concentrated in the region of Rovaniemi, Kemiyarvi and an undetermined group in the areas of Kotka and north of the Hanko Peninsula.

German aviation also systematically arrives in Finland, from where it raids on our territory. According to reports, the German command intends to strike an air strike against Leningrad in the near future. This circumstance is crucial.

2. In order to prevent and disrupt the air strike on Leningrad, outlined by the German command in Finland, I order:

Starting from June 25, 1941, the Military Council of the Northern Front will begin the hostilities of our aviation and rout the enemy’s aircraft day and night and destroy airfields in the area of the southern coast of Finland, bearing in mind the points of Turku, Malmi, Porvoo, Kotka, Holol, Tampere, in areas bordering the Karelian Isthmus, and in the area of Kemijärvi, Rovaniemi. The operation should be carried out jointly with the Air Force of the Northern and Baltic Fleets, about which to give appropriate instructions to the fleet command.

At the same time, fully alert the air defense of Leningrad, providing reliable cover for Leningrad from German air raids by a sufficient number of fighters.

Copies of the given orders shall be delivered to me by 24:00 on June 24, 1941.

From the Headquarters of the High Command People’s Commissar of Defense S.K. Timoshenko. ”

2.http://militera.lib.ru/h/hazanov_db2/07.html
Order to 55 aviadivision:
"In the morning of June 25, 1941, destroy enemy aircraft at the airfields of Ioensu and Ioroinen. Combat voltage - three regiments, departure. The composition of the groups for the first strike: Ioensu - 15 aircraft, Ioroinen - 12 aircraft. Bomb the links. Repeated departure by one nine with an interval after 1.5 hours. Last strike at 21 hours. Bomb charge at the link - two planes - FAB-100, one plane - ZAB-50 for all sorties".
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72 Close aviaregiment (BAP):
to bomb the targets in the already specified Ioens, Joroynen and photograph the results of the work. According to the plan, 37 SBs from this regiment were to participate in the raids, which were to be deployed in groups of three to nine aircraft during the day, without fighter bombing (!) Bombing from an altitude of 2000–3000 m, making at least four strikes at each airfield

Report about operation:
https://warspot.ru/3442-pochemu-ne-udalsya-udar-po-finskim-mirno-spyaschim-aerodromam?page=2
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Battle report No. 1 / OP 72nd BAP, Besovets, 19:00 06/25/1941

06/25/1941 The 72nd SBAP consisting of 34 SB aircraft bombed targets:

4th AE consisting of 8 aircraft Yoroynen airfield at 12:35 with N = 2700 m.

5th AE consisting of 9 aircraft at the Joensuu and Joroynen airfields at 12: 26-12.45 with H = 1000-1400 m.

The 3rd AE consisting of 8 aircraft, the Joensuu railway station - Yoroynen airfield at 13: 27-13: 38 with H = 1400-2400 m.

1st AE consisting of 9 aircraft Yoroynen airfield at 12:45 with N = 1000-1400 m.

Bombs dropped: FAB-l00 - 150, FAB-50 - 42, ZAB-50 - 72.

The result of the bombing: according to the observations of the crews, the Joensuu airfield was not found, the Joensuu station was bombed, 4 direct hits in warehouses were noted, as a result a fire broke out. Yoroynen airdrome: direct hits on the materiel of aircraft on the southwestern outskirts and airfield were noted.

In the Joensuu area, 12 Messerschmitt-109s were attacked at H = 1,400 m, as a result of the battle three enemy planes were shot down and one landed with a decrease went into landing. In the Yorojnen area, they were attacked by 9 Messerschmitt-109 aircraft and fired at by fire.

As a result of an air battle in the Yorojnen area, four fighter planes were shot down by enemy fighters; six SBs did not return from the mission. In the area of Girvas - Yurkostrov a SB type aircraft was shot down by the crew of the 5th AE as part of Art. Lieutenant Yachmenev, Ml. Lieutenant Abramov and Sergeant Matveev, mistaken for an enemy aircraft. Details are specified by departure to the place.

Weather in the target area: cloud cover 4–6 points, N = 1000–1500 m. Readiness for the next flight of 9 aircraft at 23:30 on 06/25/1941.

The commander of the 72nd BAP Major Skok"

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Operational report No. 1 by 20:30 06/25/1941

Headquarters of the 55th aviadivision, Petrozavodsk, MAP 50,000

1. The 55th aviadivision as part of the 72nd BAP bombed the airfield of Joensuu and Joroynen.

2. A group of 8 aircraft at a time of 12:35 from a height of 2700 m bombarded the Yoroynen airfield. Bombs were recorded in service buildings and the airfield.

A group of 9 aircraft, not finding the Joensuu airfield, bombarded Joensuu railway station with one link and Yoroyenen airfield with two links. As a result of the bombing, a fire broke out at the Joensuu station and at the Yoroynen airfield. Direct hits on the materiel on the southwestern edge of the airfield. In the area of the Joensuu airfield, it was fired at by ZA and was attacked by 12 Messerschmitt-109 aircraft. As a result of an air battle, three enemy aircraft were shot down and one landed with a decrease went to land.

A group of 9 aircraft, not finding the Joensuu airfield, bombed the Joensuu railway station and the railway. In the Joensuu area, it was attacked by 9 Messerschmitt-109 aircraft and fired by the fire of ZA.

A group of 8 aircraft during the period from 12: 45–13: 00 bombarded the Yoroynen airfield, hits in the area of office buildings and the airfield were noted. Upon returning, one crew in the clouds was attacked by three Messerschmitt-109 aircraft.

3. Losses: as a result of an air battle in the Yorojnen area, four aircraft were shot down by enemy fighters, six aircraft did not return from the combat mission. In the area of Girvas near the Yurkoostrov, a SB-type aircraft was shot down by a crew as part of Art. Lieutenant Yachmenev, ml. Lieutenant Abramov and Sergeant Matveev, mistaken for an enemy aircraft. After landing, three aircraft found bullet and fragmentation holes.

4. The 72nd SBAP consisting of 8 aircraft is ready for the next departure at 23:30 on 06/25/1941.

5. The stockpile of bombs at the Besovets airfield from wagons at the Girvas airfield for three regimental sorties.

6. Weather in the target area: cloud cover 4-6 points, altitude 1000-1500 m.

Chief of Staff of the 55th HELL Lieutenant Colonel Ivolgin, Chief of Operations Captain Ignatiev




1. You cited no historians.
I used work Bair Irincheev (Russian historian living in Finland).
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Иринчеев,_Баир_Климентьевич

2. @Fulmen , an actual Finn, told you the original order doesn't say what you think it does. Google translate is notoriously unreliable.

Order to Finish aviation was publicated and translated by Vyacheslav Nikitin

https://mitra-books.com/ru/finskie-mify-1941-article.html


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On the internet? Maybe, maybe not. I don't need to. This is not some conspiracy: the Russians bombing towns and cities throughout Southern Finland 25.6.1941 and not a single airfield, is a well-documented historical fact. I don't need to go find the paperwork for the order behind it. This is kind of like asking "how do you know the Germans invaded Poland 1.9.1939 if you don't have the exact OKW order for it?".

I did paperwork for you. All Soviet orders for operation in my post above. It shows that USSR government was sure about Finish invasion so operation was done against Finish airfields to secure Soviet territory.


Are you implying the Russians didn't bomb Finnish towns and cities? They did so systematically during the entire duration of the state of war between Finland and Russia in WW2, starting 30.11.1939. They of course initially denied it, with their foreign minister Molotov claiming they are simply "dropping food to the starving Finnish workers", which actually gave the nickname "Molotov's bread baskets" to the cluster bombs the Russians were using, which in turn was soon accompanied by the nickname "Molotov's cocktail", for the bottles of a mixture of petrol, tar and alcohol that the Finns used against Russian tanks with great success, during the Winter War in particular.

I certainly hope that's not what you were implying, because that would be some really thick Stalinist propaganda that even most Russian communists since the 1950s have admitted is pure nonsense.

I read many memoirs of Soviet soldgiers and officers fighting in june 1941. They were sure (help to official propaganda) that working people of Germany will start to sabotage against German army... They could not understand why simple working people will fight against first state of workers and peasants...


The paper notes that most transportation regarding concentration will be completed by the evening of the 8th day of the general mobilisation, that being the 25th of June.

It then describes how to proceed in a scenario of defence, and in one of offence, denoting which army corps were to do what. This includes, in the scenario of offence, general directions and points on where certain army corps were to advance, but gives no dates or times. It's a general guideline on what to do in different circumstances, not an attack order. An attack order would be "VII AK crosses the border at 6:00am on the 10th of August around XYZ location and advances towards Sortavala", for example. Finnish units remained in defensive positions until July-August, as I have stated for several times now. Only then did they assume an offensive concentration and actually attack.

May be you right, but please show on your map divisions of 7th Army Corps that had task to do offensive.


Below is the location of military units (the striped blobs) in Finland 22.6.1941. I don't know how well you can tell from the map, but Finnish divisions weren't at the border, they were behind it, in some cases by dozens or even hundreds of kilometres, in defensive positions.

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Reminds more concentration of German troops before invasion in USSR than Soviet one:

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Normal procedures when war is expected to be possible. Happened in October 1939 as well, before the Winter War.

October 5, 1939 USSR proposed to Finland deal that Finland didn't want to do.
In June 17, 1941 USSR and Finland had peace agrement of march 12, 1940 with item №3:
"Both Contracting Parties undertake to mutually refrain from any attack on one another and not to enter into alliances or participate in coalitions directed against one of the Contracting Parties"



The "ammunition" in this comment is slightly more potent for your argument, but still doesn't negate anything I said before.

Finland knew war was likely, and that Russia would again be the enemy,

As I noted above,
USSR didn't want and wasn't ready for war. Finish elite wanted war and it was prepared for war (thinking that "Russia would again be the enemy")



In any case, Finland knew that Russia, already based on Stalin's attempts at conquering the country throughout the Winter War and the Interim Peace that followed it, would almost certainly fire the first shots, which she then did, starting at 6:05am 22.6.1941. Even if by some miracle the Russian leadership chose not to start hostilities against Finland, which would've been the wiser choice and given them valuable time, Finland would've still probably ended up entering the war within weeks, forced by Germany (not that much of the country didn't already want to regain the territory Stalin had stolen from them in the last war and its immediate aftermath). I covered this in more detail in my previous posts.

Barring Germany winning WWI, or the Bolsheviks losing the Russian Civil War, there was never any way Finland could have avoided the Winter War and the subsequent Continuation War, unless she aligned herself with Germany in the 1930s, which is already so implausible it's pure HoI4-level fantasy, and even then there would've been an eventual Russo-Finnish war.

During the interwar period Finland was entirely committed to Nordic solidarity, a foreign policy that eventually failed, as when push came to shove, all the other Nordic countries really only looked after themselves, which to be fair to the Swedes, Norwegians and Danes, is not entirely unjustified considering how badly they had all neglected their defenses (as did Finland, though not as much).

Mostly I agree adding that Finish elite (at least millitary one) was formed from German army WWI. So war with Russia/USSR was predetermined.

To sum up the few different scenarios Finland could have found herself in based on key decisions she had to make in 1939-41:

1. Deny most of Stalin's 1939 demands = Winter War in November 1939, historical.

2. Accept Stalin's 1939 demands in full = "Winter" War in summer 1940, but in a much weaker position.

3. Accept German 1940 overtures = Continuation War in June 1941, historical.

4. Deny German 1940 overtures = Continuation War circa August 1940, alone and in a tremendously weaker position than in either war at any given time historically.

I can't add nothing...
 
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@Kupr The Russian combat reports you are using are simply put false. Finland did not possess a single Bf 109 before March 1943, and there were no Luftwaffe aircraft in Southern Finland 25.6.1941. On the 25th of June the VVS attacked purely civilian targets with about 500 aircraft, 27 were shot down by FAF fighters with no Finnish losses.

The claims you make about this "Finnish elite" wanting to go to war to create a Greater Finland are also false: Stalinist-era state propaganda that is sadly still taught in Russia today.

Here is a list of FAF losses early in the Continuation War, most of these are non-combat accidents that are catalogued in more detail here (Finnish). I have translated the titles of each row in the picture for your convenience.

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Source: Risto Pajari, Jatkosota ilmassa (Continuation War in the air), 1982, p. 290.

Glossary:

BU: Bristol Bulldog
HC: Hawker Hurricane
BW: Brewster Buffalo B-239
LY: Westland Lysander
VP: Ilyushin DB-3
BL: Bristol Blenheim
FRw: Fokker D.XXI, Wasp engine
VH: Polikarpov I-153
CU: Curtiss P-36 Hawk
FR: Fokker D.XXI, Mercury engine
FK: Fokker C.X.

There is an error in the list, in that HC-455 should not be there, as it wasn't lost until 30.7.1942 in an accident, along with her pilot SSgt. Aikala. This means the FAF lost two aircraft 25.6., both to accidents that I was able to verify from other sources. I think the pilot listed with HC-455, Ltn. Taskinen, was the same Ltn. Taskinen who died in an accident with CU-586 on 1.7.1942, so there's a high chance he shouldn't be on this list either.

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To examine some of the Russian sources, here's a few lines from some of them, some sources which I think are the same ones you've quoted in your posts:

Marshal Novikov, commander of the air forces of the Leningrad Military District at the start of the Continuation War, writes in his book about 25.6.: "The targets were aircraft on Finland's airfields. All air forces of the armies, navy and Front, 540 aircraft, were used for the attack, and the operation was completed over the course of 7 days. The first attack started at 4am on 25.6. with 263 bomber and 224 fighter aircraft on 18 airfields. The enemy lost 41 aircraft on the first day. During the next 6 days attacks were made on a total of 39 airfields. The enemy lost in the air and on the ground 130 aircraft, and had to move its aircraft far into the rear out of range of Soviet fighters."

The only true statement in that entire paragraph was that the number of aircraft in the initial VVS attacks was around that figure. The rest is falsified, which was not uncommon in Soviet Russia to cover up one's own failures or exaggarate one's accomplishments, or just make some up.

Other Russian sources, such as the ones you quoted before, list bombings on airfields that did not even exist, for example:

rout the enemy’s aircraft day and night and destroy airfields in the area of the southern coast of Finland, bearing in mind the points of Turku, Malmi, Porvoo, Kotka, Holol, Tampere, in areas bordering the Karelian Isthmus, and in the area of Kemijärvi, Rovaniemi.

Kotka and Porvoo did not have airfields in 1941. The Kymi airfield in Kotka was constructed later, in August 1942 to some time in 1943, with the first aircraft landing there in April 1943. Other Russian sources also list various non-existent airfields, such as in Salo and Varkaus. The reliability of these "sources", or lack there of, is plain and obvious.

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Mostly I agree adding that Finish elite (at least millitary one) was formed from German army WWI. So war with Russia/USSR was predetermined.

Forgot to reply to this.

Much of the top military brass had been officers in the old Tsarist army, including Mannerheim, Wilkama, Walden, etc. While most influential politicians were older men who were already in politics during Finland's struggle for independence. These were pragmatic men who believed in abiding the law over exerting violence.

If anything, Finland in the 1920s and 30s was more pro-Entente (Anglo-French) than pro-German. This played a part in why Hitler left Finland to the wolves, so to speak, in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, though Germany in 1939 was in no position to deny Russia Finland anyway.

Bit of trivia here: In September 1938 during the Sudeten Crisis, there was a diplomatic dinner in Geneva. Present at that dinner was, among others, the Finnish Foreign Minister, Rudolf Holsti. Hitler's speech came from the radio, and it is said that Holsti, after having had several drinks, exclaimed that Hitler was a mad dog who should be shot. Not very pro-German, if you ask me. This of course was very inappropriate behaviour and he did get into trouble after it leaked out about a month later (there had been a German representative at the dinner as well), and it was a major factor in his forced resignation, though he himself claimed he did not say such a thing. He probably did, but who knows. Either way, just thought I'd mention that as a bit of trivia related to the Russian accusations of the pro-Germanness of Finnish politicians.

Like I've stated before, Finland was committed to Nordic solidarity and neutrality from great power conflicts. Finnish politicians weren't stupid; they didn't dream of attacking the world's largest country that was also the most militarized country in the world by a long shot, and had over 50 times the population of Finland.
 
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Again, the second line of my signature comes in handy here. Those who buy into propaganda will never be persuaded of the truth.

Stalin felt like in a besieged fortress. And there were reasons for this. Therefore, he deepened the borders at the expense of Poland and Finland.
- He said: "We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We must run this distance ten years. Either we will do this or they will crush us," Joseph Stalin said at the first All-Union Conference of Workers of Socialist Industry on February 4, 1931.

"Besieged fortress"
Largest country in the world.

Pick one.

Plus, how does anything you've said excuse Soviet aggression? "Deepening the borders" by drawing them through other sovereign nations is a violation of international law, if not immoral.
 
Again, the second line of my signature comes in handy here. Those who buy into propaganda will never be persuaded of the truth.
"Besieged fortress"
Largest country in the world.
Pick one.
Plus, how does anything you've said excuse Soviet aggression? "Deepening the borders" by drawing them through other sovereign nations is a violation of international law, if not immoral.
What rights? League Of Nations? These rights did not work,as proved by Germany's seizure of Czechoslovakia.
The wounds inflicted on Russia by foreign intervention were still fresh
Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War
The fact that aggression against the USSR will begin was no secret to anyone.

Also heard was the dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire into spheres of influence

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What rights? League Of Nations? These rights did not work,as proved by Germany's seizure of Czechoslovakia.

So the only right is raw power? I sure hope you never get into any position of power.

The wounds inflicted on Russia by foreign intervention were still fresh
Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War
The fact that aggression against the USSR will begin was no secret to anyone.

1. The USSR knocked out a key member of the Entente and then signed a peace with the Germans, while keeping Entente war materiel and seizing (read: stealing) Entente assets.
2. Even if you don't think that's enough, the Bolsheviks trapped the Czech Legion, which they had promised safe passage out of the country, and tried to arrest them.
3. Various groups, long oppressed by the old Russian empire including Finns and Baltic peoples, rose up in independence movements

Still, from the entire period from the Allied withdrawal in 1920 onward, there was zero intervention from the Western powers.

Now, if we're going to stay on topic and discuss Stalin's intentions for Finland, they were to conquer it through brute force. That's wrong. It doesn't matter if Stalin fed you the propaganda line that he felt the USSR was cornered. Cornered by Finland? Are you kidding me? What about those mighty armies of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania? This propaganda narrative that the Russians are always so threatened and everyone is out to get them is laughable. In recent history it's been quite the opposite, as the peoples of Eastern Europe can attest. During the period we're discussing the Soviets teamed up with the Nazis to divide Eastern Europe between them. How is that acceptable? After the war the Soviets, contrary to their promises, kept the Baltic States annexed and set up puppet regimes throughout Eastern Europe, rather than allowing the people of those countries to choose their own leaders. How is that acceptable?
 
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What rights? League Of Nations? These rights did not work,as proved by Germany's seizure of Czechoslovakia.
The wounds inflicted on Russia by foreign intervention were still fresh
Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War
The fact that aggression against the USSR will begin was no secret to anyone.
So, if you think Stalin was justified in doing what he did because of "the wounds inflicted on Russia by foreign intervention", would you say that Hitler was also justified in his expansionism because of the Treaty of Versailles? If not, why are they different?
 
So, if you think Stalin was justified in doing what he did because of "the wounds inflicted on Russia by foreign intervention", would you say that Hitler was also justified in his expansionism because of the Treaty of Versailles? If not, why are they different?
Perhaps the fact that Hitler violated the friendship agreement. And Stalin did not violate, he still wanted friendship with the Germans. First of course scolded the Nazis, but then stopped.

But he already had evidence that Germany would attack the USSR. I cited this: this evidence was obtained from the distribution of the Trotskyist Rakovsky https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...he-revelation-of-trotskyist-rakovsky.1202334/. Perhaps he wanted to postpone or fix it.
 
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So the only right is raw power? I sure hope you never get into any position of power.
1. The USSR knocked out a key member of the Entente and then signed a peace with the Germans, while keeping Entente war materiel and seizing (read: stealing) Entente assets.
2. Even if you don't think that's enough, the Bolsheviks trapped the Czech Legion, which they had promised safe passage out of the country, and tried to arrest them.
3. Various groups, long oppressed by the old Russian empire including Finns and Baltic peoples, rose up in independence movements

Still, from the entire period from the Allied withdrawal in 1920 onward, there was zero intervention from the Western powers.

Now, if we're going to stay on topic and discuss Stalin's intentions for Finland, they were to conquer it through brute force. That's wrong. It doesn't matter if Stalin fed you the propaganda line that he felt the USSR was cornered. Cornered by Finland? Are you kidding me? What about those mighty armies of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania? This propaganda narrative that the Russians are always so threatened and everyone is out to get them is laughable. In recent history it's been quite the opposite, as the peoples of Eastern Europe can attest. During the period we're discussing the Soviets teamed up with the Nazis to divide Eastern Europe between them. How is that acceptable? After the war the Soviets, contrary to their promises, kept the Baltic States annexed and set up puppet regimes throughout Eastern Europe, rather than allowing the people of those countries to choose their own leaders. How is that acceptable?
- Poland also participated in the division of Czechoslovakia. On the whole, it pursued an anti-Soviet policy and refused a treaty of mutual assistance with the USSR.
- A white officer Yudenich arrived from the Baltic countries and Finland with the intention of seizing Petrograd.
- Should Czechoslovak prisoners of war not obey a legitimate government? And they, at the instigation of the Entente countries, began an armed struggle with the Soviet regime.
 
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I didn't wanna get back into this mess because I knew it would be pointless no matter what I say, but since @Kupr was so patient and informative, I'll join in. Good work to you too @Nykyus

Everytime I hear someone complaining about this I immediatly assume they come from a big country. I don't know if that's the case for you, but I'll take a wild guess.

People from important countries like US, UK, France, Germany, Russia, Italy, Japan or countries that were formerly important like Turkey or Austria don't complain about this because their countries already have a lot of presence in movies, games, etc. It's people from minor countries that want more representation. Complaining about people who want more representation for their country while your country already has a lot of representation is just pure hypocrisy. Like a millionaire complaining that poor people want money.

I have also heard the more ignorant version "the minor countries are not represented in history because they didn't do anything great". I'm not pointing fingers at you for this one, but it's a common argument. The answer? Many minor countries have a lot of interesting events in their history, it's just that they don't get a lot of publicity because they come from minor nations. This is one extra reason why I love focus trees of minor nations, you get the perspective of Mexico or Netherlands, while almost everyone knows the perspective of the Soviet Union or the United States because they are the big boys.

I am from Serbia. I'll be perfectly honest, I did not spend sleepless nights wondering about the Yugoslav focus tree, nor do I plan on any over a Serbian one. If a tree happens it happens, key is that priority comes in the global scale and countries that influenced on a global scale. The Great Powers were the ones pulling the weight and deciding WW2. It's cool that Paradox made one for Yugoslavia even though it did not do much(even though I am not impressed by it) but I didn't wet myself with excitement over hearing its announcement.

They were occupied and their way of life destroyed with the installation of communism: they fell. The fact it happened primarily through political action and not military defeats, does not matter when the end result is the same.

Had Finland fallen, the country would've become either an SSR in the Soviet Union or a peoples' democracy in the Eastern Bloc, depending on when she got occupied (early in the war would've resulted in annexation). The country would be much poorer than she is now, a trait shared by all former Eastern Bloc nations; a consequence of communism. She would also have a very large Russian minority, especially in the case of direct annexation.

Instead as a consequence of victories on the battlefield and maintaining an undefeated military throughout all of WW2, the country remained a free and independent democracy with a free market economy, making her one of the most prosperous countries in the world today.

I'm by no means an expert on the Romanian and Bulgarian militaries, or the defensive details of the geography of their countries, but, and feel free to educate me on this, I'm under the impression that a Finnish-style successful military defence of either, let alone both countries was not possible: the front was too wide, the terrain comparatively friendly to large armoured attacks, and the motivation of the Romanian and Bulgarian militaries not exactly up to the task, nor was probably their equipment. A lack of modern equipment isn't everything, as the Finns had proven time and again, since that lack can be supplanted to some degree by motivation and geography, but if those too are lacking, then it's a recipe for defeat. If Romania held off for longer together with the Germans, like the Hungarians did post-pro-German coup, they would've likely still been crushed and the country occupied. Same with Bulgaria. The political leadership of those countries was fully aware of this, hence them exiting the war the way they did. It's a shame that didn't save their countries from communism.

Alright, there's a lot to go over here. There's a lot of anticommunism to dig through.
I don't know what "having their ways of life destroyed by installation of communism" has to do with the argument at hand, but at least you've shown where you stand on it, so thank you for that.

Had Finland fallen, the country would've become either an SSR in the Soviet Union or a peoples' democracy in the Eastern Bloc, depending on when she got occupied (early in the war would've resulted in annexation). The country would be much poorer than she is now, a trait shared by all former Eastern Bloc nations; a consequence of communism. She would also have a very large Russian minority, especially in the case of direct annexation.
First of all, none of those countries were communist. Communism implies a classless, STATEless, moneyless society, and we can all agree that none of the Warsaw Pact states reached such a point. Even the Wikipedia article acknowledges this...
Second, their living standards were pretty good compared to prior and afterwards. There's a lot to criticise about the WP states, like persecution of enemies, the way they effectively couped their governments(worst example being Romania) etc, but living standards isn't one of those things. Everyone had a guaranteed job, food on the plate and entertainment was cheap and enjoyed widely. GDR was very much known for cheap Opera tickets, which much of the Ostalgics reminisce.
Prior to socialism they were mostly backwaters with barely any industrial power. After the chaotic and haphazard way socialism was dismantled there they became corrupt olligarchies thanks to opportunists who took advantage of the situation and took power. And those we see today.
I won't even touch the "Russian minority" complaint with a 10 foot pole, because I am very sure what you are thinking of isn't exactly for these forums, and I am frankly disgusted.

Instead as a consequence of victories on the battlefield and maintaining an undefeated military throughout all of WW2, the country remained a free and independent democracy with a free market economy, making her one of the most prosperous countries in the world today.
"Undefeated" because they cut their losses and gave up before they could lose everything. Finland couldn't have held on forever, whether it be 1940 or 1944. Do you seriously think they could have defeated the Soviets or forced a white peace in either of those situations?
They became a Neutral Social Democracy heavily influenced by the USSR and which regularly traded with Warsaw Pact states. A consequence of the 1944 peace treaty, proximity to USSR and careful maneuvering by politicians like Urho Kekkonen.

I'm by no means an expert on the Romanian and Bulgarian militaries, or the defensive details of the geography of their countries, but, and feel free to educate me on this, I'm under the impression that a Finnish-style successful military defence of either, let alone both countries was not possible: the front was too wide, the terrain comparatively friendly to large armoured attacks, and the motivation of the Romanian and Bulgarian militaries not exactly up to the task, nor was probably their equipment. A lack of modern equipment isn't everything, as the Finns had proven time and again, since that lack can be supplanted to some degree by motivation and geography, but if those too are lacking, then it's a recipe for defeat. If Romania held off for longer together with the Germans, like the Hungarians did post-pro-German coup, they would've likely still been crushed and the country occupied. Same with Bulgaria. The political leadership of those countries was fully aware of this, hence them exiting the war the way they did. It's a shame that didn't save their countries from communism.
Romania - The Fascist Antonescu effectively couped the Romanian government, aligned with Nazi Germany and made Michael I a puppet figurehead. There was a seething animosity in the Romanian leadership and conflict between them was inevitable. Problem is when one side is backed by a superpower whose troops and allies surround you. Come 1944, the tables turned and Michael made Antonescu resign and made peace, thereby ensuring a more peaceful end of the war for Romania(barring the Ploiesti oil fields to which the Germans held on dearly). Also to note, Romania did have formiddable defences. Carol II, former king, built extensive fortifications to defend Romania from the Soviets. Had there not been for the forced resignation and the German 6th Army's defeat in the area, they would have held on for long, with a better position than the Finnish ever had, as the Carpathian mountains were incredibly difficult to traverse.
Bulgaria - Authoritarian dictator Boris III, a country which did not wish to align, mass riots in the streets after Barbarossa, Communist movements gaining large momentum as a result of many people hating Boris and the political mess following his death in 1943 and then managing to force the abolishment of the monarchy in 1944, afterwards making peace with USSR, actually ending the period with more land than which they started with(southern Dobruja). They barely even fought the Soviets, because they simply did not want to.

Explain how it was "aggression" to try to reclaim their own lands that were taken in an invasion not one year earlier?

By that logic USSR wasn't an aggressor for attacking Finland for the bits around Leningrad, annexing Baltic states and entering the eastern parts of Poland taken from them in 1921.

This shows a startling level of naivete. You really need to read up on basic Soviet history.
The irony is strong in this one.

2. @Fulmen , an actual Finn, told you the original order doesn't say what you think it does. Google translate is notoriously unreliable.

Google translate has gotten better as it learns over the years.
I am actively translating a video game from Russian to English as we speak(Crisis in the Kremlin 2017). Google Translate actually does its job pretty well, I just need to do tweaks on slang words and some word orders.

Stalin felt like in a besieged fortress. And there were reasons for this. Therefore, he deepened the borders at the expense of Poland and Finland.
- He said: "We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We must run this distance ten years. Either we will do this or they will crush us," Joseph Stalin said at the first All-Union Conference of Workers of Socialist Industry on February 4, 1931.

Correct.

"Besieged fortress"
Largest country in the world.

Pick one.

Plus, how does anything you've said excuse Soviet aggression? "Deepening the borders" by drawing them through other sovereign nations is a violation of international law, if not immoral.

An important thing to note is that those countries in the middle would have either joined Germany or been overtaken by it. Poland is an obvious one, Fulmen noted various overtures by the Germans to Finland and Baltic states were designated as part of Hitler's Lebensraum. Had the Soviets not taken the opportunity, Hitler would have, via fascist coups, forcing deals or outright invasion, thereby stretching the frontline effectively from the Arctic to the Black Sea with almost no interurption from day 1. Was it evil, indeed it was. I beg you the question though. If the USSR wanted to survive, what should it have done to secure the survival?
Would you want Nazi Germany winning on the Eastern Front?
Leading in times of crisis means being able to make tough choices. Both the Soviet and the Finnish leadership did, in one way or another.
 
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Communism implies a classless, STATEless, moneyless society
Marxist-Leninist communism, the communism of the Soviet Union, employed a transitional state in order to achieve the end result of the communist ideology, communism. This transition and its failures, along with the great many other failures to transition to communism, are still the responsibility and results of the communist ideology. It's like firing a rocket into the sky that explodes, and claiming it was never a space program because you never made it to space.
 
Marxist-Leninist communism, the communism of the Soviet Union, employed a transitional state in order to achieve the end result of the communist ideology, communism. This transition and its failures, along with the great many other failures to transition to communism, are still the responsibility and results of the communist ideology.
Socialism is the transition stage. You establish a socialist society, and as the needs for a state and money wither, so does socialism slowly transition into Communism. Never has the USSR tried to force itself country into communism, nor did it claim such.
I guess we can blame Adam Smith for the Irish Potato Famine by that logic?
 
Do you really, honestly believe this?
Although I speak Russian quite well, I only know a few words in English. Therefore, I translated it with Google transliteration.
https://russian7.ru/post/kak-germaniya-i-sssr-sotrudnichali-pere/
How Germany and the USSR collaborated before the war
After World War I, Germany and Soviet Russia were, in modern terminology, rogue countries in Europe. This, despite ideological differences, led to a rapprochement of these countries. In April 1922, at an international conference in Rapallo near Genoa, representatives of the RSFSR and Germany signed an agreement on friendship and cooperation.

The Treaty of Versailles of 1919, Germany was deprived of the right to have a large land army, armored and chemical troops, military aircraft. During the Soviet-German talks in Rapallo, it was a question of giving Germany the opportunity to train its officer cadres for the combat arms prohibited by Versailles in the Soviet Union. The military circles of Germany were preparing for revenge for the First World War, the Soviet leadership - for the world revolution. But at this stage, the benefits seemed mutual.

Military training centers were created and equipped almost exclusively at the expense of Germany. At the same time, they were mixed: not only Reichswehr officers, but also Red Army commanders were trained in them. The instructors were German officers who went through the First World War. The equipment was also mainly German, made, bypassing the prohibitions of the Treaty of Versailles, in countries such as Sweden, the Netherlands, etc. There was still very little Soviet military equipment at that time, but in the last period of the existence of schools, it also appeared in their technology park.

Total in the years 1925-1928. Three schools were opened: the aviation near Lipetsk, the tank Kama near Kazan and the chemical troops Tomka in the Saratov Region. The training there was secret, in order to avoid revelations from Western intelligence (although information leaks occurred and sometimes jeopardized the entire cooperation program). German personnel wore a military uniform of the Red Army without insignia.

At the same time, open military cooperation developed along the lines of visiting each other's military maneuvers. German delegations were in the 20s. the only foreign missions present at the Red Army maneuvers. The Soviet delegations, which included such well-known military leaders as Tukhachevsky, Meretskov, Uborevich, Yakir and others, also regularly visited the Reichswehr maneuvers (the German armed forces were called until 1935).

From these facts, sometimes they make an unjustified conclusion that the Soviet Union prepared the Wehrmacht cadres on its own head. In fact, the teachers at these schools were German officers, and it was the Red Army commanders who drew their knowledge and experience for the future war. The total number of team personnel trained in this way was scanty. So, Kama trained about 250 Soviet and 30 German tankers in total, Lipetsk trained 120 German pilots (the number of Soviet ones is unknown). Not a single major Soviet or German military leader studied in these schools. The most famous of the Soviet graduates was subsequently General S.M. Wryneck. The information that Heinz Guderian himself graduated from the Kama center is incorrect. He visited this center only once in 1929 due to his official position as Inspector General of the Reichswehr Automobile Troops.

Soviet-German military cooperation was not curtailed immediately after Hitler came to power in Germany. Back in May 1933, a representative Reichswehr delegation was present at the Red Army maneuvers. Joint training centers were closed only in September 1933.

The aspects of Soviet-German strategic cooperation during the Weimar Republic (1922-1933) should include the active participation of German companies in the industrialization of the USSR during the years of the first five-year plan (1928-1932). Perhaps, in its contribution to the industrialization of the USSR, Germany is second only to the United States from all countries. Germany supplied the USSR with the latest industrial equipment and specialists. Without this foreign assistance, it would have been simply impossible to turn a backward agrarian state into one of the first military industrial powers in a matter of years. It turns out that both in the military sphere and in industry, Germany contributed significantly more to the strengthening of the USSR before World War II than the USSR - to strengthening Germany.

The cooperation of both countries resumed after the joint partition of Poland in September 1939 and continued without weakening until June 22, 1941. During this period, Germany and the USSR became the main economic partners of each other. In the year and a half between the conclusion of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and the attack on the USSR, the Third Reich received from the last 865 thousand tons of oil, 140 thousand tons of manganese ore, 14 thousand tons of copper, 3 thousand tons of nickel, 101 thousand tons of raw cotton , more than 1 million tons of timber, 11 thousand tons of flax, 26 thousand tons of chrome ore, 15 thousand tons of asbestos, 184 thousand tons of phosphate, 2736 kg of platinum and 1 million 463 thousand tons of grain. In addition, the USSR fully provided during this period, due to re-export from third countries, Germany's needs for natural rubber and other colonial products.

In return, the USSR received from Germany mainly the latest industrial equipment. Germany delivered to our country in 1940 and the first half of 1941. metal-cutting machines alone (which were only purchased in the USSR at that time) 6430 (with their total imports to the USSR in 1939, 3458 pieces). Soviet military factories received unique mechanisms for the production of individual designs of aircraft, tanks, guns, ammunition, etc. Soviet specialists had access to drawings of new German military equipment, individual samples of which (mainly aircraft) were also purchased. This allowed the USSR in a short time to establish its own production of modern combat aircraft. Finally, the USSR received from Germany the battleship “Luttsov”, renamed here “Petropavlovsk” (the Germans called “Luttsov” another ship).

In 1940 - the 1st half of 1941. The USSR delivered goods to Germany for a total of 584.8 million marks, Germany to the USSR - to 426.7 million marks (German data). It is often written that at two o'clock in the morning on June 22, 1941, the next Soviet train with crude oil, lumber, etc., proceeded west through Brest station. But just like that, from Germany to the USSR until the night of that fateful day trains arrived with machine tools. June 1941 (and only in twenty-one days) was the most record month for the cost of deliveries from Germany to the USSR.

Why did the governments of the USSR and Germany until the last moment intensely strengthen each other's defenses? Perhaps both Hitler and Stalin hoped that war could still be avoided? Will the curtain ever be lifted above this mystery? ..
 
Marxist-Leninist communism, the communism of the Soviet Union, employed a transitional state in order to achieve the end result of the communist ideology, communism. This transition and its failures, along with the great many other failures to transition to communism, are still the responsibility and results of the communist ideology. It's like firing a rocket into the sky that explodes, and claiming it was never a space program because you never made it to space.
Stalin actually moved away from Marxism - Leninism. He began to build a nation state.
Trotsky wanted a world revolution, the triumph of communism on the whole planet. Without this, he said, the revolution will lose.
But the Red Army was defeated in Poland. And they wanted to rekindle the flames of revolution in Germany. After this, Trotsky began to lose power.
Unlike Trotsky, Stalin set the goal of socialism in a separate country, that is, in the USSR.
 
Soviet people thought to use the method of Jeanne Labourb https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Labourbe. They wanted to use the method of persuasion: "We are the same workers and peasants like you, why are you attacking us?"
What worked well in World War I - then the Russian and German soldiers refused to fight with each other, in 1918 - the French woman communist Labourb forced the capitulation of the French expeditionary force. However, the communist agitation this time did not work.
A bad agitator came out of Stalin, Trotsky was magnificent - for him the youth went to die for communism.

The Russian people suffered irreparable losses: they lost the most active and heroic part.

 
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I don't know what "having their ways of life destroyed by installation of communism" has to do with the argument at hand, but at least you've shown where you stand on it, so thank you for that.

Their way of life = relative individual and economic freedom. To claim people in the Eastern Bloc were free compared to pre-WW2 is laughable.

Communism implies a classless, STATEless, moneyless society, and we can all agree that none of the Warsaw Pact states reached such a point. Even the Wikipedia article acknowledges this...

Ah yes, the classic "real communism has never been tried!" argument.

Prior to socialism they were mostly backwaters with barely any industrial power. After the chaotic and haphazard way socialism was dismantled there they became corrupt olligarchies thanks to opportunists who took advantage of the situation and took power. And those we see today.

Sure, every former communist country suffering from decades-long economic stagnation totally has nothing to do with communism, it's all the fault organised circles of corrupt oligarchs, even in countries without any. :rolleyes:

"Undefeated" because they cut their losses and gave up before they could lose everything.

Ironically, it was Russia who, after losing almost every single battle, cut their losses and settled for less than their goal of the total conquest of Finland.

They became a Neutral Social Democracy heavily influenced by the USSR and which regularly traded with Warsaw Pact states. A consequence of the 1944 peace treaty, proximity to USSR and careful maneuvering by politicians like Urho Kekkonen.

This is the only at least somewhat true statement I've seen you write, though saying Finland was a social democracy heavily influenced by the USSR is exaggeration. Or at least the way I read it, it sounds almost like you're claiming Finland was some kind of sphereling of Russia, which is not true. Finland rebuffed plenty of Russian pressuring attempts during the Cold War, made trade deals, including arms deals, with Western powers, etc. Actually Russia made some concessions to Finland, e.g. during Kruschev's premiership Russia returned Porkkala in 1956, originally slated to be returned in 1994, and dissolved the Karelo-Finnish SSR due to Finnish pressure, demoting it back to the Karelian ASSR, also in 1956. Additionally, the Russians wanted trade relations with Finland, as trade with Finland was a good source of high quality commodities that Russia herself was could not produce.

An important thing to note is that those countries in the middle would have either joined Germany or been overtaken by it. Poland is an obvious one, Fulmen noted various overtures by the Germans to Finland and Baltic states were designated as part of Hitler's Lebensraum. Had the Soviets not taken the opportunity, Hitler would have, via fascist coups, forcing deals or outright invasion, thereby stretching the frontline effectively from the Arctic to the Black Sea with almost no interurption from day 1. Was it evil, indeed it was. I beg you the question though. If the USSR wanted to survive, what should it have done to secure the survival?
Would you want Nazi Germany winning on the Eastern Front?
Leading in times of crisis means being able to make tough choices. Both the Soviet and the Finnish leadership did, in one way or another.

You make the mistake of buying into official Russian propaganda, believing Russian expansion was "out of defence". If Russia was purely interested in defence, Stalin would have accepted an alliance with England and France, but instead he played his double-game, negotiating with both Germany and the West, to see which one made the better deal. In the end he settled with Hitler, as allying Germany allowed him to expand the Soviet Empire and swallow territories formerly part of the Russian Empire that already Lenin had tried to take in 1918.

If Stalin was only concerned with the security of Leningrad, tell me:

Why did the Russian forces in the Winter War have orders to march to Helsinki in 2 weeks and occupy the entire country?

Why did Stalin found the Terijoki government and refuse to acknowledge Finland's actual government until the threat of Allied intervention and very little progress by the RKKA in 3 months?

Why did Russian forces attack throughout the entire Finnish frontier, from the Artic to the Baltic Sea, and not just around Leningrad?

Why did Russia internationally deny their attack on Finland and claim they were merely dropping food to the "starving Finnish workers"?

Why did Russia fake a CB (Mainila shellings), claiming Finland started the Winter War?

Why did Russia take far more territory than was even remotely related to the security of Leningrad?

Why did Russia keep meddling in Finnish internal affairs and undermining the Finnish government after the border had been moved away from Leningrad in the Treaty of Moscow?

Why did Russia again mass her forces on the Finnish border in mid- to late-1940?

Why did Molotov in November 1940 in his visit to Berlin demand Russia be allowed the right to finish Finland off?

Furthermore:

Why did Russia annex the Baltic States when the Baltics had already accepted the Russian demands for bases and military access?
 
@Kupr The Russian combat reports you are using are simply put false.

Did you play any avisimulators like IL-2 Sturmovik in real conditions (whitouht help of PC like map and so on)?
My impressions - I do not know where to fly (clear point on real land) and ... who killed me flying with speed 600 km per hour.

So I am sure that all survived Russian bomber pilots were completely sure that they were attacked by "Hudie"/"Messers" (like it was called all enemy fighters next 3 years).
Like since summer 1943 all hitted German self propelled artillery was named in soviet reports as "Ferdinands"

So we have task to Russian pilots to destroy airfields. What did Russian pilots in situation like:

"The result of the bombing: according to the observations of the crews, the Joensuu airfield was not found"?

They started to bomb close buildings:

"The result of the bombing: according to the observations of the crews, the Joensuu airfield was not found, the Joensuu station was bombed, 4 direct hits in warehouses were noted, as a result a fire broke out. Yoroynen airdrome: direct hits on the materiel of aircraft on the southwestern outskirts and airfield were noted."

The claims you make about this "Finnish elite" wanting to go to war to create a Greater Finland are also false: Stalinist-era state propaganda that is sadly still taught in Russia today.

Believe me I was taugh in USSR school. Finish wars is interested for me only because this forum and lectгures of Russian historian from Finland Bair Irincheev.

Here is a list of FAF losses early in the Continuation War, most of these are non-combat accidents that are catalogued in more detail here (Finnish).

I suppose you right here. According our historians, if USSR's and Germans reports were true then USSR and Germany destroyed aviation each other more than 5 times.

It is common problem with reports that couldn't be checked, especially in 1941.

So reports weren't directly false. It was results that were received directly from pilots. Very often pilots were sure they fired enemy planes. Pilot thought they shot dawn it... May be... Of course bombers didn't change rout to see where it was landed...



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To examine some of the Russian sources, here's a few lines from some of them, some sources which I think are the same ones you've quoted in your posts:

Marshal Novikov, commander of the air forces of the Leningrad Military District at the start of the Continuation War, writes in his book about 25.6.: "The targets were aircraft on Finland's airfields. All air forces of the armies, navy and Front, 540 aircraft, were used for the attack, and the operation was completed over the course of 7 days. The first attack started at 4am on 25.6. with 263 bomber and 224 fighter aircraft on 18 airfields. The enemy lost 41 aircraft on the first day. During the next 6 days attacks were made on a total of 39 airfields. The enemy lost in the air and on the ground 130 aircraft, and had to move its aircraft far into the rear out of range of Soviet fighters."

The only true statement in that entire paragraph was that the number of aircraft in the initial VVS attacks was around that figure. The rest is falsified, which was not uncommon in Soviet Russia to cover up one's own failures or exaggarate one's accomplishments, or just make some up.

1. Memoirs are not correct historic document.
2. I suppose in this case Novikov used official Russian reports about attack.


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Forgot to reply to this.

Much of the top military brass had been officers in the old Tsarist army, including Mannerheim, Wilkama, Walden, etc. While most influential politicians were older men who were already in politics during Finland's struggle for independence. These were pragmatic men who believed in abiding the law over exerting violence.

If anything, Finland in the 1920s and 30s was more pro-Entente (Anglo-French) than pro-German. This played a part in why Hitler left Finland to the wolves, so to speak, in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, though Germany in 1939 was in no position to deny Russia Finland anyway.

As I read essential part of Finnish military elite were former solgiers and officers of German army in WWI?


Like I've stated before, Finland was committed to Nordic solidarity and neutrality from great power conflicts. Finnish politicians weren't stupid; they didn't dream of attacking the world's largest country that was also the most militarized country in the world by a long shot, and had over 50 times the population of Finland.

1. How it was possible to receive independence from "largest country that was also the most militarized country in the world by a long shot, and had over 50 times the population of Finland"?
2. You are comparing Finland and USSR after 1945. In the 1930-s USSR was very weak state in millitary, with starving in 1932/33, whitout industry and so on... Ideas of Great Finland was possible in the 1930s, not in the 1940s. Though I heard it even now sometimes on this forum...
 
1. How it was possible to receive independence from "largest country that was also the most militarized country in the world by a long shot, and had over 50 times the population of Finland".

Very simple, that country was in the midst of a many-faceted civil war, lacked the ability to impose itself on Finland, and Finland was relatively independent during Tasarist rule (the taking away of which was a big reason for the strengthening of the independence movement), so it could extradite itself with the institutional framework of a nation already built.

That said, there was also a civil war within Finland, where the Reds did receive Soviet support.

That the USSR had no industry in 1932 is a laughable claim that deserves derision at best.
 
Can we hear what the Russians themselves are saying?

Soviet-Finnish war: defeat or victory? https://stalinism.ru/stalin-i-armiya/sovetsko-finlyandskaya-voyna-porazhenie-ili-pobeda.html

In Russian historiography, the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940, or, as it is called in the West, the Winter War, was for many years virtually forgotten. This was facilitated by its not too successful results, and the peculiar “political correctness” practiced in our country. The official Soviet propaganda was more afraid than any other "friend" to offend, and Finland, after the Great Patriotic War, was considered an ally of the USSR.

Over the past 15 years, the situation has radically changed. Contrary to the well-known words of A.T. Tvardovsky about the “indiscreet war” today this war is very “famous”. One after another, books dedicated to her go out, not to mention the many articles in various magazines and collections. Here are just a "celebrity" this is very peculiar. The authors, who have exposed the Soviet "evil empire" as their profession, cite in their publications an absolutely fantastic ratio of our and Finnish losses. Any reasonable reasons for the actions of the USSR are completely denied:

“And under what conditions did this useless and very unpopular war among the people break out? First and foremost, it was not an objective necessity. It was Stalin’s personal whim, caused by unclear reasons. ”

Of course! What could be the logic of the atrocities of the "criminal Stalinist regime"? Is it any wonder that many of our compatriots today are sincerely convinced that the Soviet Union lost this war?

Before proceeding with the analysis of the events of the Winter War, one should recall, at least in brief, the history of Russian-Finnish relations.

State from the royal test tube
As you know, Finnish tribes that never had their own statehood were in the XII-XIV centuries. gradually conquered by Sweden. Under the rule of the Swedes, Finland had neither administrative, nor even cultural autonomy. The official language was Swedish. This language was spoken by the nobility and the entire educated layer of society, it was taught, books were printed. Finnish was considered the language of commoners.

According to the Friedrichsham Peace Treaty, signed on September 5 (17), 1809, which concluded the last Russo-Swedish war, the whole territory of Finland was ceded to Russia [364]. For more than 100 years of being in the Russian Empire from the former Swedish province of Finland, through the efforts of unreasonable Russian monarchs, it has actually turned into an autonomous state with all its inherent attributes. The Grand Duchy of Finland received its own authorities, a monetary unit, its army, mail, customs. The official language remained Swedish, and since 1863 the Finnish language acquired the same status. All posts in the administration, with the exception of the governor-general, were held by local natives. The taxes collected in the Grand Duchy were spent exclusively on the needs of the region. The authorities of the empire tried not to interfere in Finnish affairs. As one of the deputies of the People’s Party of Sweden figuratively remarked in the 1880s: “The little Finnish lion, having fallen on the wide chest of the Russian eagle, has grown so strong that we, leaving it in the form of a frail lion cub, do not recognize our former vassal.”

No policy of Russification was observed. Migration to the Grand Duchy of the Russian population was actually banned. Moreover, Russians living in Finland were in an unequal position compared to the natives. Thus, the Finns should not complain about national oppression in the “prison of peoples”.

To crown it all, on December 11 (23), 1811, the Vyborg province was transferred to the Grand Duchy, which included lands that were transferred to Russia under peace treaties of 1721 and 1743. As a result, the administrative border of Finland came close to St. Petersburg.

Of course, in return for gratitude, the local nationalist elite raised and nurtured with the connivance of the then Russian authorities wanted independence. After the revolution began in Russia, her dream came true. On November 23 (December 6), 1917, the Sejm proclaimed Finland an independent state. On December 18 (31), 1917, the independence of Finland was recognized by the Soviet government.

On the night of January 15 (28), 1918, a revolution began in the former Grand Duchy, which soon grew into a civil war. White called for the help of German interventionists. On April 3, 1918, German troops landed on the Hanko Peninsula - the so-called “Baltic Division” of 12,000 men under the command of General von der Goltz. Another German detachment of 3 thousand people landed on April 7 near the city of Lovisy. With their help, the White Finns managed to defeat the Reds. On April 14, German troops occupied Helsinki, on April 29, Vyborg fell. In early May, the war ended.

Winners unleashed mass terror. 8.3 thousand people were executed, about 12 thousand died in concentration camps in the summer of 1918. The total number of people thrown into prisons and concentration camps reached 90 thousand. For comparison: in the course of hostilities, white lost 3,178 people, red - 3,463.

In addition to supporters of the Reds, the Russian-speaking inhabitants of Finland were destroyed. As it was said on this occasion, in a note signed by the Deputy People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs G.V. Chicherin to the German Ambassador Count V. Mirbach of May 13, 1918, “there was a real extermination of the Russian population without any difference, old people, women and children, officers, students and in general, all Russians. ”

Fearing that the newly minted "independent state" might get out of their control, the German masters categorically demanded that a monarchy with a German prince be established there. On October 9, 1918, the Sejm elected King Kaiser Wilhelm II, Prince Frederick Karl of Hesse, the king of Finland. Alas, this loyal impulse was lost in vain, because a month later Germany lost the First World War and thus the German king on the Finnish throne became completely inappropriate.

Not satisfied with the separation from Russia, the authorities of the newly-minted state tried to snatch a piece in the Russian unrest. On February 23, 1918, the Commander-in-Chief of the Finnish Army, General K. G. Mannerheim, declared that "he would not put his sword into the scabbard until it was liberated from the Bolsheviks East Karelia." On March 15, Mannerheim approved the so-called "Wallenius Plan", which envisaged the seizure of Russian territory to the line White Sea - Lake Onega - Svir River - Lake Ladoga. At the same time, the region of Pechengi and the Kola Peninsula also departed for Finland, and Petrograd was to receive the status of a “free city” like Danzig. On the same day, the Finnish Commander-in-Chief ordered the expeditionary detachments of volunteers to come forward to conquer East Karelia. On May 15, 1918, the Finnish government declared war on Soviet Russia. Nevertheless, thanks to the intervention of Germany, which concluded the Peace of Brest with the RSFSR, until the autumn of 1918 the Finns actually did not conduct military operations.

The situation changed after the defeat of Germany in the 1st World War. On October 15, 1918, Finnish troops occupied the Rebolsky volost belonging to the RSFSR. In January 1919, the neighboring Porosozersky volost was captured.

In April 1919, the so-called Olonets Volunteer Army went on the offensive. Having captured part of South Karelia, including the city of Olonets, its units approached the capital of Karelia, Petrozavodsk. However, during the Vidlitz operation June 27 - July 8, Finnish troops were defeated and driven back from Soviet territory. In the fall of 1919, Finnish troops again launched an attack on Petrozavodsk, but on September 26-27 they were driven back during the Lizhema operation.

Finally, after the Red Army knocked out the Finnish armed forces from the territory of Karelia on July 14-21, 1920, with the exception of the Rebolsky and Porosozersky volosts, the Finnish government agreed to negotiations. On October 14 of that year, the St. George Treaty was concluded, according to which the region of Pechengi (Petsamo), which never belonged to it, was transferred to Finland.

Nevertheless, in Helsinki they did not intend at all to abandon plans to create "Great Finland". Taking advantage of the fact that in the protocol to the Yuryev treaty the Soviet government undertook to not contain troops on the territory of the Rebolsky and Porosozersky volosts for two years, with the exception of the border and customs guards, the Finnish leadership again tried to solve the Karelian issue by force. In October 1921, an underground "provisional Karelian Committee" was created on the territory of the Tungud volost, which began the formation of kulak "forest detachments" and gave a signal for the invasion of the White Finnish troops. From the Finns and Karelians, the Rebol battalion was formed under the command of Major Paavo Talvela. Soon, the Talvela battalion captured Rebola and Poros Lake. By the end of December, Belofin units, numbering 5-6 thousand people, advanced to the line Kestenga - Suomusalmi - Rutozero - Padany - Poros Lake.

To repulse the invasion, by the end of December, the Soviet authorities concentrated 8.5 thousand people, 166 machine guns, 22 guns in Karelia. By early January 1922, Soviet troops occupied Poros Lake on the southern flank of the front, Rebola and Kimas Lake on the central section of the front, defeating the main Finnish group. On January 25, the northern group took control of Kestenga and Kokisalma, and in early February 1922, together with the central group, it took over the military-political administrative center of the Karelian Committee - the city of Ukhta. By mid-February, the territory of Karelia was completely liberated. February 17, 1922 hostilities ceased.

Cool world
The events of 1921-1922 in Karelia deserve special attention in connection with the constant confusion of the accusers of the Soviet "evil empire": they say, is little Finland capable of threatening huge Russia? It turns out that the Finnish threat remained quite real. As the commander of the Belofin volunteers Talvela stated after a failed Karelian campaign: “I was convinced that it was possible to liberate Karelia from Russia (the contemptuous name of the Russians. - IP) only by taking it. For the liberation of Karelia, new bloodshed will be required. But there is no need to try to do it with small forces anymore, a real army is needed. ” This statement was not just the personal opinion of one of the Finnish “field commanders”, it reflected the position of the influential circles that determined the politics of the then Finland.

Of course, Helsinki was well aware that Russia alone could not be defeated by them. Therefore, they followed the principle formulated by the first Finnish prime minister, Per Ewind Svinhuvud: "Any enemy of Russia should always be a friend of Finland." Adhering to this simple rule, the Finnish leadership was ready to enter into an alliance with anyone. For example, with Japan. When Soviet-Japanese relations sharply escalated in 1933, Japanese officers were frequented in Finland. Some of them stayed there for 2-3 months, undergoing an internship in the Finnish army. A new Charge d'Affaires of Japan in Finland was appointed, "an active and apparently influential figure, cousin of a foreign minister’s comrade (that is, deputy. - I.P.) and nephew of the chairman of the board of the Manchu railway." If before that the Japanese had managed one military attaché with their place of residence in Riga throughout the Baltic States and Finland, now a separate attache was sent to Helsinki.

As noted in the letter of the Deputy People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs of the USSR B.S. Stomonyakov to the Chargé d'Affaires of the USSR in Finland N.G. Pozdnyakov dated June 5, 1934: “It is extremely significant that the Finnish press treats negatively both the entry of the USSR into the League of Nations, so and the rapprochement between the USSR and France. The same is the attitude of Poland. These two countries are afraid of strengthening the power and international significance of the USSR, because their leading circles rely on the possibility of making profit at the expense of the USSR in the event of an attack on it by Japan or in case of intervention against the USSR in general. ”

From a letter from Stomonyakov to the Plenipotentiary of the USSR in Poland, J.Kh. Davtyan dated July 4, 1934: “For her (Finland. - I.P.) political orientation, the completely accurate information we received was typical that when he was in Geneva, the Finnish Foreign Minister Haxel probed the ground regarding the prospects of our military clash with Japan. Moreover, in confidential conversations, Haxel did not hide the fact that Finland is guided by our defeat in this war. ”

However, since the calculations for the war between the Soviet Union and Japan did not materialize, the Finnish authorities had to back down. In a telegram from the USSR Plenipotentiary Envoy to Finland, B.E. Stein, to the People’s Commissariat for Foreign Affairs of September 12, 1934, it was reported: “Irye-Koskinen, who had just visited me (Finnish envoy to Moscow. - IP), recognized that the desire to achieve“ liberation ”of Karelia and Ingermanland during a possible conflict between us and Japan has become a universal opinion in Finland. He acknowledged the correctness of all my arguments. According to him, the Finnish government is already preoccupied with this wave of unprecedented propaganda against the USSR and even discussed the project to close the Karelian academic union. ”

The organization in question in Russian-language literature is usually referred to as the Karelian Academic Society. It was created in 1922 by students participating in the campaign in Soviet Karelia and set as its goal the creation of “Great Finland” by seizing Soviet territories. It is clear that it was impossible to close such a useful society: "This measure met resistance from the Minister of the Interior, who himself is a member of this union."

When on February 27, 1935, the envoy of Finland to the USSR A.S. Iryo-Koskinen, in an interview with the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs M.M. Litvinov, complained that the volume of Soviet purchases in Finland was too small and there was not even a trade agreement between our countries, in response he was rightly noted:

“In no country is the press waging a campaign as systematically hostile to us as in Finland. No neighboring country has such open propaganda for an attack on the USSR and the seizure of its territory, as in Finland. This propaganda is carried out in Finland by a number of organizations, especially the so-called Karelian academic society, which includes very influential people and almost a member of the government represented by the Minister of Internal Affairs Pukhak. The White Guard newspaper "Klich" even calls for terrorist acts. I’m not saying that the military people of distant Japan made Finland a favorite place of tourism. ”

However, there was nothing unnatural in the Finnish-Japanese alliance. Even during the war of 1904-1905, in an effort to undermine the Russian empire from the inside, Japanese intelligence established contacts with Connie Zilliakus, the leader of the Finnish “active resistance” party who lived in exile. An old-style Swiss rifle was purchased with Tokyo money. However, the attempt to deliver them to Finland ended in failure. The steamer John Crafton, hired for this purpose, on August 26, 1905, ran aground in the skerries of Larsmo north of Jacobstadt. Over the next day, the team unloaded part of their cargo on a neighboring island, and then, after blowing up the ship, left it. As a result, rifles and ammunition intended for revolutionaries partially died, and partially fell into the hands of the tsarist authorities. As for the party of active resistance, its members (usually called "activists") subsequently formed the backbone of the Mannerheim army during the Civil War, and then ended up in the front ranks of the guardians of the Great Finland cause.

But back in the 1930s. The hostility of the Finnish leadership towards our country was not a secret for foreign diplomats either. Thus, the Polish envoy to Helsinki F. Harvat reported to Warsaw that Finland’s policy is characterized by “aggressiveness against Russia ... Finland’s position in the USSR is dominated by the question of Karelia joining Finland”. Harvat called Finland "the most belligerent state in Europe." The Latvian envoy to Finland, in turn, wrote that “in the minds of Finnish activists ... the Karelian question is deeply rooted. These circles are looking forward to a conflict between Russia and any great power, formerly with Poland, and now with Germany or Japan, in order to implement its program. This movement ... may someday serve as a spark, from which the powder keg ignites. ” An American military attache in the USSR, Colonel F. Feymonville, reported to Washington on September 23, 1937: "The most pressing military problem of the Soviet Union is preparation for repelling the simultaneous attack of Japan in the East and Germany together with Finland in the West."

Hostility towards the USSR was reinforced by concrete deeds. On the Soviet border, the Finnish authorities constantly organized all kinds of provocations on earth, in heaven and at sea.

So, on October 7, 1936 at 12:00 on the Karelian Isthmus in the area of border pillar No. 162, the Soviet border guard commander of the detachment Spirin, who was making a round of the border, was seriously wounded by a shot from the Finnish side and soon died. Before his death, he said that the persons who shot him were in military clothing of a standard form in Finland. Negotiations on the settlement of this incident ended only in November 1937. Initially, the Finnish authorities tried to deny their involvement in the murder, but then they were forced to admit their guilt and, albeit with delays, to pay compensation to the family of the victim.

On October 27, 1936, at 10 a.m., two shots from the Finnish side were fired upon by the chairman of the collective farm, Vaida-Guba Kolichmanen. On October 29, at 13:30, from the Finnish side, two Finnish border guards approached the bank of the Sestra River, in the area of border post No. 73. One of them hid behind a tree, and the other from his knee began to aim with a rifle at the Red Army men Mashina and Martynova, who cleared the clearing on Soviet territory. The Red Army soldiers, noticing the actions of the Finnish border guards, lay down on the ground, after which the Finns left in the direction of border post No. 74. On October 30, at 5 p.m., Finnish border guards fired at a residential building and a pigsty located on the northern outskirts of Waida Guba with four rifle shots. In a memo to the Finnish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, transmitted by the Director of the Political Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Finland Payula to Charge d'Affaires of the USSR in Finland A.A. Austrin on November 10, 1936 in response to the Soviet protest, all these cases of shooting were denied.

On December 9, 1936, at 3 p.m., at a section of the Petrozavodsk border guard detachment in the area of border guards No. 439-440, which is opposite the village of Mezilamba, from the territory of Finland, two automatic fire shots were fired at our guard along with our guard. The bullet flew directly near the head of the border guard Galyuk. After the shot, a conversation was heard between two men in Finnish. On December 12, a shot was fired at Finland’s border guard detachment at the Mainil outpost of the Sestretski border detachment in the area of border sign No. 66 from Finland. The bullet fell on Soviet territory.

For a change, the Finnish authorities recognized these shelling facts, explaining that in the first case, “a Finnish peasant shot at a distance of 300 m from the border,” moreover, “along the border, not in the direction of the border,” and in the second “400 m from the border a Finnish border guard soldier shot a bird. ”

On December 17, 1937, at 12:30 p.m., our border detachment of the Ternavolok outpost of the Kalevala border detachment was fired at by border guard No. 690 from two Finnish soldiers located on Finnish territory near the border. Bullets flew over the heads of our border guards.

On January 21, 1938 at 9:20 on the sixth outpost section of the Sestroretsky district at border post No. 191, two Finnish border guards violated the Soviet border. When our detachment attempted to detain violators, the latter put up armed resistance. As a result of the shootout, one of the Finnish border guards was seriously injured.

Provocations were also organized in the air. So, in a conversation with Finnish Foreign Minister Holsti on June 7, 1937, Plenipotentiary of the USSR in Finland E.A. Asmus complained about “repeated flights by the Finnish planes of the Soviet border”.

The complaint had a peculiar effect, because three weeks later, on June 29, 1937, at 15 o’clock the Finnish plane violated our border near the village of Sona. Having flown over the border sign No. 384 on the southeast of Olonets, in 16 minutes the intruder flew back to Finland in the same area.

On July 9, 1938, the Finnish single-engine biplane violated the USSR border in the area of border post No. 699. Flying at an altitude of 1,500 m, the plane went deeper into the USSR for 45 km, flying about 85 km parallel to the border line across the USSR, and then returned to Finland in the area of border post No. 728.

This time the Finns acknowledged the violation. As V.K. Derevyansky, USSR envoy to Finland, reported to Moscow: “On July 20, he was invited to negotiate with [temporarily] and [fulfilling] the [commitment] of the Minister of Foreign Affairs Woyonmaa, who informed me that he should state with regret, that the fact of violation of the Soviet border by the Finnish plane, described in our note, is true. With the receipt of our note, the competent authorities of Finland immediately launched an investigation and found that this sad incident occurred as a result of the pilot losing orientation. ”

The water borders of our country were not ignored. As Deputy People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs B.S. Stomonyakov, Envoy of the USSR in Finland, E.A. Asmus informed in a telegram dated April 10, 1936, from February to April 1936, our territorial waters in the Gulf of Finland were violated nine times, while 68 people were detained .

In turn, in a letter to the USSR People's Commissariat for Foreign Affairs dated July 8, 1937, Asmus reported: “The fishing of Finnish fishermen in Soviet territorial waters and their detention by our border guards not only did not decrease, but they took on a wider scale. During the winter of 1936/37, at least 75 Finnish fishermen were detained, some of them repeatedly. The situation in the Gulf of Finland shows that Finland has not taken measures to stop the illegal crossing of territorial waters by fishermen. There is no doubt that these crossings are also used for reconnaissance purposes. ”

On May 16, 1938, at 11:57 a motor boat No. 38 belonging to the Finnish citizen Alexander Peltanen was detained in the waters of the USSR in Lake Ladoga due to a violation by the said citizen of the fishing rules provided for by the Soviet-Finnish Convention.

On July 19, 1938, the Finnish hydrographic vessel Ayristo and the border boat AB-55, accompanying it, were detained in our waters. Both ships plunged into Soviet territorial waters by 1.5 miles.

Cooperation with the Germans
Of particular concern to the USSR were Finnish-German contacts. Remembering to whom they owe their “independence”, Finnish nationalists did not tire of showing solidarity with their benefactors. So, when during the civil war in Spain on May 31, 1937, the German “pocket battleship” “Deutschland” and 4 destroyers fired at the Republican-controlled city of Almeria, the Uusi Suomi newspaper devoted two special issues to this event. On the central streets of Helsinki, students celebrating graduation on that day were greeted by telegrams about German actions shouting "Hurray."

However, the Finns were driven not only by gratitude for the affairs of the past days. Fruitful cooperation with the Germans continued in the future.

After the defeat in World War I, Germany, bound by the limitations of the Versailles Treaty, withdrew part of its military industry abroad. So, to preserve and develop the scientific and technological potential in the construction of submarines in July 1922 in The Hague, the design bureau of the IVS (Ingenieurs kantoor voor scheepsbouw) was founded. Formally, being a private company, in fact it belonged to the German Navy. About 30 German engineers and designers worked at the enterprise in order to conspire from the naval service.

In accordance with the Treaty of Versailles, Germany could not have a submarine fleet. However, no one forbade German designers to build submarines for friendly Finland. In 1930, the IVS began developing the project, and 1.5 million Reichsmarks were released from the German budget for this purpose. Submarines built (Vetikhinen, Vesikhiishi and Iku-Turso) after tests conducted by German crews became part of the Finnish fleet. These submarines became prototypes for German boats of the II series U-1 - U-24. When designing boats for Finland, German designers made a technological breakthrough by creating a ship consisting of the maximum number of typical units and parts. This was the first step towards the serial production of submarines.

In exchange for deliveries of copper and nickel, the Finns received 20-mm anti-aircraft guns and shells from the Germans, agreed on the purchase of combat aircraft, exchanged visits between senior generals and officers, and in August 1937 even hosted a squadron of 11 German submarines.

With the consent of Finnish intelligence in Finland, in mid-1939, the German intelligence and counterintelligence agency Krigsorganizatsion Finland was established, tentatively called the “Cellarius Bureau”. His main task was to conduct intelligence work against the Soviet Union, in particular, collecting data on the Baltic Fleet, parts of the Leningrad Military District and Leningrad industry. Abwehr chief Admiral V. Kanaris and his closest assistants, Lieutenant General G. Pickenbrock and F. Bentiveni, have repeatedly met in Finland and Germany with Finnish intelligence leaders Colonels Svenson and Melander, exchanged information about the USSR and developed joint plans.

“I am sorry for the Finns, but I am for the Vyborg province”
So, by the end of the 1930s, there was a clearly unfriendly state near the northwestern borders of the Soviet Union. It is very significant that even before the start of the Soviet-Finnish War of 1939-1940. The blue swastika was an identification mark of the Finnish Air Force and tank forces. Those who claim that it was Stalin who, by his actions, pushed Finland to the Nazi camp, prefer not to recall this. As well as about why the peace-loving Suomi needed a network of military airfields built by the beginning of 1939 with the help of German specialists, capable of receiving 10 times more aircraft than there were in the Finnish air force. However, in Helsinki they were ready to fight against us both in an alliance with Germany and Japan, and in alliance with England and France.

Seeing the approach of a new world conflict, the leadership of the USSR sought to secure the border near the country's second largest and most important city. Back in March 1939, Soviet diplomacy sensed the issue of transferring or leasing a number of islands in the Gulf of Finland, but in Helsinki they refused categorically.

With the outbreak of World War II, the needs of our defense increased significantly. In order not to give the fleet a potential adversary, whether Germany or Western democracies, to break through to Kronstadt, and then to Leningrad, it was necessary to block the waters of the Gulf of Finland with artillery fire from both banks. This problem was effectively solved by the creation of two defensive lines. Firstly, directly on the approaches to Kronstadt. In pre-revolutionary times, the entrance to the so-called Markizov puddle was covered from the south by Fort Krasnaya Gorka, and from the north by Fort Ino. Ino now belonged to Finland. It made sense to organize the far line of defense at the entrance to the Gulf of Finland, having received suitable bases on the northern and southern coasts for this. In addition, it was necessary to push the border on land, where it passed only 32 km from Leningrad, making it possible to fire long-range artillery.

On September 28, 1939, a mutual assistance agreement was concluded between the USSR and Estonia, according to which Soviet troops of 25 thousand troops were sent to the territory of this small but proud republic. The Soviet Union was given the right to deploy garrisons and build naval bases in Paldiski and Haapsalu, as well as on the islands of Ezel (Saaremaa) and Dago (Hiiumaa).

On October 12, Soviet-Finnish negotiations began in Moscow. The Soviet side proposed concluding a local agreement on mutual assistance in the joint defense of the Gulf of Finland. Then the conversation touched upon the need to have a military base on the coast of Finland, in connection with which Hanko Peninsula was mentioned as a possible place for its deployment. In addition, Finland was called upon to cede its part of the Rybachy Peninsula, a number of islands in the Gulf of Finland and move the border on the Karelian Isthmus. As compensation, the Soviet Union offered much larger areas of East Karelia. However, the Finnish representatives categorically rejected the idea of concluding an agreement on mutual assistance, and regarding the territorial changes they said that Finland could not refuse the inviolability of its territory.

On October 14, negotiations continued. The Soviet position remained unchanged. As Stalin said: “We ask that the distance from Leningrad to the border line would be seventy kilometers. These are our minimum requirements, and you should not think that we will reduce them. “We cannot move Leningrad, so the border line must be moved.”

In response, the head of the Finnish delegation, Y. Paasikivi, said that he should consult with the government. Then the Soviet side presented its proposals in the form of a written memorandum. They boiled down to the fact that Finland should lease the Hanko Peninsula "for the construction of a naval base with coastal artillery defense, which, together with coastal artillery on the other side of the Gulf of Finland at the Baltic port (Paldiski. - I.P.), could block the passage with artillery fire to the Gulf of Finland ”, as well as pushing the border on the Karelian Isthmus and transferring to the Soviet Union a number of islands in the Gulf of Finland and the western part of the Rybachy Peninsula. The total area of territories passing from Finland to the USSR would be 2761 square meters. km, 5529 square meters were proposed as compensation. km in East Karelia near Rebola and Poros Lake. The next day, the Finnish delegation departed for Helsinki.

Meanwhile, in the Finnish leadership, the opinion formulated by the Minister of Foreign Affairs E. Erkko prevailed that the Soviet Union was bluffing and a firm line should be drawn towards it. As early as October 12, Finland announced the general mobilization and evacuation of civilians from large cities. Arrests of members of left-wing public organizations began, and the publication of a number of newspapers and magazines was prohibited. On October 17, Marshal Mannerheim is appointed commander in chief. The structure of the Finnish delegation at the talks included V. Tanner, who at that time held the post of Minister of Finance, who was supposed to control Paasikivi, inclined to compromises.

October 23 Moscow talks resumed. In accordance with the instructions received, representatives of Finland agreed to transfer 5 islands in the Gulf of Finland and move the border on the Karelian Isthmus 10 km away. Regarding the rental of Hanko, a categorical refusal followed. In turn, the Soviet side continued to insist on the creation of a naval base on the Hanko Peninsula, although it agreed to reduce the number of its garrison from 5 to 4 thousand people. In addition, a readiness was expressed to push the line of the future border on the Karelian Isthmus to the east. Referring to the need to consult with parliament, on October 24, the Finnish delegation went to Helsinki.

However, sober voices were heard among the Finnish leadership. A supporter of the compromise with Moscow was Marshal Mannerheim, who in March 1939, in conversations with President K. Kallio and Prime Minister A. Kayander, suggested that it would be beneficial for Finland to come forward with a proposal to withdraw the border line from Leningrad and get a good one compensation. On October 16, during a meeting in the Council of State, the ambassador to the USSR, Iryo-Koskinen, expressed the opinion that if the reasonable defense requirements of the Soviet government were met, as others had done, war would not break out, and Mannerheim noted that if Russia was satisfied with the border seventy kilometers from Leningrad then the military will be able to develop appropriate proposals. Speaking against the rental of Hanko, the marshal proposed an alternative option: “Perhaps they would have achieved a compromise by sacrificing some islands. In this regard, I named the island of Yussaro as a possible negotiation object, the location of which offered the Russians good conditions for interacting with the forts of the island of Naissaar (10 km north of Tallinn. - IP), adjacent to the southern coast of the Gulf of Finland. " As Tanner testifies, after the negotiations on October 23, Paasikivi was ready to recommend the transfer of Yussare to the Soviet base, and on the Karelian Isthmus to cede territory right up to the border line proposed by Mannerheim.

November 3 began the last round of negotiations. Having met with Paasikivi on the eve of the departure of the Finnish delegation to Moscow, Mannerheim convinced him: “You must come to an agreement. The army is not able to fight. ” However, strict instructions approved by President Kallio ruled out the possibility of any diplomatic maneuver.

Seeking to obtain a naval base, the Soviet side was ready to go to any option that suits Finland that would give us the Hanko Peninsula, whether for rent, sale or exchange. Finally, we agreed to the islands off its coast. As Mannerheim notes in his memoirs: “The Soviet government, in turn, stated that it could be satisfied with a group of Hesto-Busyo-Hermansyo-Koyo islands located east of Cape Hanko, as well as the previously mentioned anchorage in Lappohja. This was a rather significant concession, which in an economic sense would have been less difficult than Hanko’s transfer, although important coastal artillery batteries would have been lost. ”

On November 4, the Finnish delegation sent an encrypted telegram to Helsinki in which it asked its government for consent to transfer fortress Ino on the Karelian Isthmus to the Soviet base of the island of Yussare and the concession to the USSR. However, the Finnish leadership has completely lost its sense of reality. In a reply telegram dated November 8, it was ordered to abandon any options for deploying a Soviet base on Hanko or any islands in its vicinity. The concession of Ino could be considered only on condition that the USSR renounce its claims under Hanko. As Tanner writes: “We were all very disappointed with the instructions received. We expected that in Helsinki they would understand: an agreement can only be reached through new concessions. ”

On November 9, the last meeting of the Soviet and Finnish delegations took place. As Tanner recalls:

“Stalin indicated on the map the island of Roussareau:“ Maybe you will give way even to it? ”

As our instructions prescribed, we answered negatively.

“Then nothing seems to work out. Nothing will come of it, ”said Stalin.”

It became clear that the negotiations had finally reached an impasse. On November 13, the Finnish delegation left Moscow. When she crossed the border, the Finnish border guard opened fire on Soviet border guards.

It should be noted the inflammatory role of British diplomacy. On November 24, England hinted to the USSR that it would not intervene in the event of a Soviet-Finnish conflict. At the same time, Finland stated that it should take a firm position and not succumb to pressure from Moscow. Thus, it was a question of provoking a war with the aim of using Finland “in order to do as much harm to Russia as possible, even if the Finns ultimately crashed in the face of its superior power.

Those who denounce the “crimes of the Stalinist regime” like to talk about the fact that Finland is a sovereign country that controls its own territory, and therefore, they say, it was not at all obliged to agree to an exchange. In this regard, we can recall the events that took place two decades later. When Soviet missiles began to be deployed in Cuba in 1962, the Americans had no legitimate reason to impose a naval blockade on Liberty Island, much less to launch a military strike against it. Both Cuba and the USSR are sovereign countries, the deployment of Soviet nuclear weapons concerned only them and was fully consistent with international law. Nevertheless, the United States was ready to start World War 3 if the missiles were not removed. There is such a thing as a "sphere of vital interests." For our country in 1939, the Gulf of Finland and the Karelian Isthmus entered this sphere. Even by no means sympathetic to the Soviet regime, the former leader of the Cadet Party P.N. Milyukov in a letter to I.P. Demidov expressed the following attitude to the outbreak of war with Finland: "I am sorry for the Finns, but I am for the Vyborg province."

On November 26, a famous incident occurred near the village of Mainila. According to the official Soviet version, at 3:45 p.m. Finnish artillery fired at our territory, as a result of which 4 Soviet soldiers were killed and wounded. Today it is considered good form to interpret this event as the work of the NKVD. The allegations of the Finnish side that their artillery was deployed at such a distance that its fire could not reach the border are perceived as undeniable. Meanwhile, according to Soviet documentary sources, one of the Finnish batteries was located in the Jäppinen area (5 km from Mainila). However, whoever organized the provocation at Mainila, it was used by the Soviet side as a pretext for war. On November 28, the USSR government denounced the Soviet-Finnish non-aggression pact and withdrew its diplomatic representatives from Finland. November 30 hostilities began.

I will not describe in detail the course of the war, since there are already enough publications on this topic. Its first stage, which lasted until the end of December 1939, was generally unsuccessful for the Red Army. On the Karelian Isthmus, Soviet troops, breaking the forefield of the Mannerheim line, on December 4-10 reached their main defensive line. However, attempts to break through it were unsuccessful. After bloody battles, the parties switched to a positional struggle.

What are the reasons for the failure of the initial period of the war? First of all, underestimating the enemy. Finland mobilized in advance, increasing the size of its Armed Forces from 37 to 337 thousand. Finnish troops were deployed in the border zone, the main forces occupied defensive lines on the Karelian Isthmus and even managed to conduct full-scale maneuvers at the end of October 1939.

Soviet intelligence was also not up to par, which could not reveal complete and reliable information about Finnish fortifications. However, there is also the exact opposite opinion. For example, here is what Lieutenant Colonel V.A. Novobranets claims in his memoirs:

“I remember well that all of us, employees of the operations department, used the so-called“ black album ”, which contained all the comprehensive data on the Finnish fortifications on the Karelian Isthmus (“ Mannerheim Line ”). The album contained photographs and characteristics of each bunker: wall thickness , coast, weapons, etc.

Later, already working in Razvedupra, I again saw this “black album”. He was also in the headquarters of the active forces on the Karelian Isthmus. How dare the government leaders say that there was no such data? ”

Apparently, the Recruit is referring to the "Album of fortifications of the Karelian Isthmus", compiled according to Soviet intelligence in 1937. However, the fact is that the most modern part of the Finnish fortifications, including the famous “millionaire” pillboxes, was built in 1938-1939. Reliable intelligence information about them was completely absent.

Finally, the Soviet leadership had unreasonable hopes for "class solidarity of the Finnish workers." The belief was widespread that the population of the countries that entered the war against the USSR would almost immediately “rise and go over to the side of the Red Army”, that the workers and peasants would come out to meet Soviet soldiers with flowers.

As a result, the proper number of troops was not allocated for military operations and, accordingly, the necessary superiority in forces was not provided. So, on the Karelian Isthmus, which was the most important section of the front, in December 1939 the Finnish side had 6 infantry divisions, 4 infantry brigades, 1 cavalry brigade and 10 separate battalions - a total of 80 military battalions. On the Soviet side, they were opposed by 9 rifle divisions, 1 rifle-machine gun brigade and 6 tank brigades - a total of 84 estimated rifle battalions. If we compare the number of personnel, then the Finnish troops on the Karelian Isthmus totaled 130 thousand, the Soviet - 169 thousand people. On the whole, 425 thousand Red Army soldiers acted against 265 thousand Finnish troops on the entire front.

Reaction of the West
The outbreak of war caused the hysteria of the "world community." December 14, the Soviet Union was expelled from the League of Nations. Moreover, this was done with obvious violations of the procedure. The Council of the League of Nations consisted of 15 members, 7 votes were cast for the resolution on the exclusion of the USSR (England, France, Belgium, Bolivia, Egypt, the Union of South Africa, and the Dominican Republic), the remaining 8 members of the Council did not vote or abstained. Thus, the resolution on the exclusion of the USSR was adopted by a minority of members of the League Council. It is noteworthy that 3 out of 7 members of the League Council who voted for the exclusion - the Union of South Africa, Bolivia and Egypt - were elected to the Council just on the eve of the vote.

The Western powers generously supplied Finland with weapons. Responding to a parliamentary request on March 12, 1940, Prime Minister Daladier stated that France had delivered Finland 145 aircraft, 496 guns, 5 thousand machine guns, 400 thousand rifles and 20 million rounds of ammunition. In turn, his colleague Chamberlain told March 19 members of the British Parliament that 101 aircraft, 114 guns, 185 thousand shells, 200 anti-tank guns, 100 Vickers machine guns, 50 thousand gas shells, 15,700 bombs were sent from England to Finland , as well as a large number of uniforms and equipment.

In addition, 11.6 thousand foreign volunteers arrived in Finland. The most numerous of them were Swedes (8680 people), Danes (944), Norwegians (693), American Finns (364) and Hungarians (346).

Not intending to limit themselves to arms deliveries, Britain and France hoped to take a direct part in the Soviet-Finnish war.

In the last chapter, I already talked about the truly titanic efforts undertaken by the Allied command to prevent real military operations against the Germans on the Western Front. As the English historian John Fuller writes in his book: “A complete world reigned on this front. The French did not shoot, they said: “Ils ne sont pasmechants” (Germans are not villains), and “if we start shooting, they will also shoot”. ”

Well, of course, the Germans are not villains. It’s Russian business! Having received a suitable excuse, the Allied leadership began enthusiastically building plans for an attack on the USSR.

With the outbreak of the Winter War, a French military mission led by Lieutenant Colonel Haneval was sent to Finland. At the headquarters of the Commander of the Armed Forces of Finland, Marshal Mannerheim, was the personal representative of Gamelin, General Clement-Grankur. According to Captain P. Stélen, a member of the French military mission, the main task of the French representatives was to "keep Finland at war with all its might."

In pursuance of the decisions of the Supreme Council of the Allies, the French headquarters developed a plan of military operations against the USSR, providing for the landing of the Anglo-French troops in Pechenga (Petsamo), as well as bombing attacks on important targets on Soviet territory. In a memo to the chief of the General Staff of the Navy of France and the future commander of the pro-Hitler government, Vichy Admiral Darlan, addressed to Prime Minister E. Daladier, the need for such an operation was justified by the following argument: “In the region of Murmansk and Karelia there are thousands of political exiles, and the inhabitants of the concentration camps there are ready to rebel against oppressors. Karelia could eventually become a place where anti-Stalinist forces within the country could unite. "

The Deputy Chief of the Air Force General Staff General Berger, in a conversation with Captain P. Stélen in December 1939, said that the Anglo-French allies would attack the USSR not only in the north, in Finland, but also in the south, in the Caucasus. “General Weygang commands troops in Syria and Lebanon. His forces will advance in a general direction to Baku in order to deprive the USSR of oil produced here. From here, Weigan’s troops will advance towards the allies advancing to Moscow from Scandinavia and Finland. ” “I was surprised and flattered,” Stelin wrote in his memoirs, “that they confidentially introduced me to an operation of such a large scale. The design of the operation was expressed on the map with two curved arrows: the first from Finland, the second from Syria. The pointed tips of these arrows connected in the area east of Moscow. ”

But all these far-reaching plans were foiled by the Red Army. Having completed the necessary training, the significantly strengthened Soviet troops launched a decisive attack on the Karelian Isthmus on February 11, 1940. Having broken through the main defensive line, by February 21 they reached the second line of the Mannerheim Line, on March 3 they were on the outskirts of Vyborg, and on March 7–9 they broke through to its outskirts. On March 9, Mannerheim told the government that the Finnish army was in danger of total defeat. Despite the persuasion of England and France, who assured that their troops were already approaching, on March 12, 1940, the Finnish delegation in Moscow was forced to sign a peace treaty on Soviet terms.

The defeat of Finland caused a government crisis in France. At first glance, this seems rather strange. Indeed, by that time the government headed by Daladier had already managed to betray allied Czechoslovakia twice: in September 1938 and in March 1939. Then in September 1939 it betrayed allied Poland. This did not particularly disturb anyone. And here is Finland, with which France was not bound by any treaties and which, under the conditions of the world, retained its independence, having lost only part of the territory. Nevertheless, the fact of the defeat of the Finns was so unbearable for the French public that the government of Daladier was forced to resign. What is the reason for this reaction? Everything is very simple. This time, the winners were not respectable Nazi Germans, but Russian Bolshevik barbarians. To what extent does the notorious “civilized world” hate us! And what naive idiots do those of our compatriots look who seriously believe that the Russians will someday be "taken to Europe."

Defeat or victory?
So, to summarize the Soviet-Finnish conflict. As a rule, such a war is considered to be won, as a result of which the winner is in a better position than before the war. What do we see from this point of view?

As we have seen, by the end of the 1930s Finland was a country that was clearly unfriendly towards the USSR and ready to enter into an alliance with any of our enemies. So in this regard, the situation has by no means worsened. On the other hand, it is known that the unbelievable bully understands only the language of brute force and begins to respect the one who managed to beat him. Finland was no exception. On May 22, 1940, the Society for Peace and Friendship with the USSR was created there. Despite the persecution of the Finnish authorities, by the time it was banned in December of that year, it had 40 thousand members. This mass character indicates that not only the supporters of the Communists entered the Society, but also just sane people who believed that it was better to maintain normal relations with a great neighbor.

According to the Moscow Treaty, the USSR received new territories, as well as a naval base on the Hanko Peninsula. This is a clear plus. After the outbreak of World War II, Finnish troops were able to enter the line of the old state border only by September 1941.

It should be noted that if the negotiations in October-November 1939, the Soviet Union requested less than 3 thousand square meters. km and even in exchange for twice as much territory, as a result of the war acquired about 40 thousand square meters. km, without giving anything in return.

It should also be noted that in the pre-war negotiations, the USSR, in addition to territorial compensation, proposed reimbursing the value of property left by the Finns. According to the calculations of the Finnish side, even in the case of the transfer of a small piece of land, which she agreed to give us, it was about 800 million marks. If it came to the cession of the entire Karelian Isthmus, the bill would have gone into many billions.

But now, when on March 10, 1940, on the eve of the signing of the Moscow Peace Treaty, Paasikivi started talking about compensation for the transferred territory, recalling that Peter I paid Sweden 2 million thalers in the Nishtad peace, Molotov could calmly reply: “Write a letter to Peter the Great. If he orders, we will pay compensation. ”

Moreover, the USSR demanded an amount of 95 million rubles. as compensation for equipment and property damage taken out from the seized territory. Finland also had to transfer to the USSR 350 sea and river vehicles, 76 locomotives, 2 thousand wagons, a significant number of cars.

Of course, during the hostilities, the Soviet Armed Forces suffered significantly greater losses than the enemy. According to name lists, in the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940. 126 875 soldiers of the Red Army died, died and went missing. The losses of the Finnish troops amounted, according to official figures, 21,396 killed and 1,434 missing. However, another figure of Finnish losses is often found in Russian literature - 48,243 killed, 43 thousand wounded. The primary source of this figure is the translation of the article by Lieutenant Colonel of the General Staff of Finland Helge Seppälle, originally published in the Finnish edition of Mailma me, published in the newspaper Abroad, No. 48 for 1989. Regarding Finnish losses, Seppälä writes the following:

“Finland lost in the“ winter war ”more than 23,000 people killed, more than 43,000 people wounded. During the bombing, including merchant ships, 25,243 people were killed ”[485].

The last figure - 25,243 killed during the bombing - is in doubt. Perhaps there is a newspaper typo here. Unfortunately, I did not have the opportunity to familiarize myself with the Finnish original article of Seppälä.

Be that as it may, the Soviet losses are several times higher than the Finnish ones. This ratio is not surprising. Take, for example, the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905. If we consider the fighting in Manchuria, the losses of both sides are approximately the same. Moreover, often the Russians lost more than the Japanese. However, during the assault on Port Arthur fortress, the loss of the Japanese far exceeded the Russian losses. It would seem that here and there the very same Russian and Japanese soldiers fought, why is there such a difference? The answer is obvious: if in Manchuria the parties fought in the open field, then in Port Arthur our troops defended the fortress, even if it was unfinished. It is only natural that the attackers suffered much higher losses. The same situation developed during the Soviet-Finnish war, when our troops had to storm the Mannerheim line, and even in winter conditions.

As a result, Soviet troops gained invaluable combat experience, and the command of the Red Army got an occasion to think about the shortcomings in the training of troops and urgent measures to increase the combat effectiveness of the army and navy.

Speaking in parliament on March 19, 1940, Daladier said that for France, “the Moscow Peace Treaty is a tragic and shameful event. This is a great victory for Russia. ” However, do not go to extremes, as some authors do. Not very great. But still a victory.

As J.V. Stalin tried to prevent the war with Finland https://stalinism.ru/stalin-i-gosud...italsya-predotvratit-voynu-s-finlyandiey.html

Documents were found in the archives of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation, from which it is clear that in 1938, at the direction of I.V. Stalin, the NKVD-NKGB intelligence service established secret contacts and conducted secret negotiations with the Finnish leadership.

The decision of the Soviet leadership to entrust this mission with intelligence, rather than using the usual diplomatic channels, was dictated by a number of good reasons. First of all, the situation that developed in 1938 on the northwestern flank of the USSR border caused extreme concern. Officially, the northern countries of Europe (Finland, Sweden and Norway) pursued a policy of neutrality, but the annexation of Austria, the capture of the Sudetenland and the subsequent occupation of Czechoslovakia, the expansionist policy of fascist Germany in the Balkans clearly showed that Hitler would not reckon with any neutrality if it became an obstacle to the road to achieve his goals. Small states, one after another, became easy prey for the Reich. Not the last role in this was played by the so-called fifth columns created in almost every European country, combining pro-fascist-minded elements. It was obvious that Germany was striving to create an anti-Soviet front from the Barents to the Black Sea.

German diplomacy assigned Finland a special role, hoping to turn its more than a thousand-kilometer border with the USSR into a convenient base for a future attack on the Soviet Union. Fascist organizations grew like mushrooms in the country after rain, and the positions of pro-German proponents in all spheres of life strengthened. Soviet intelligence had incontrovertible data on preparations for the entry into Finland of the German expeditionary force.

To secure the northern flank of the borders of the USSR, the Soviet leadership made an attempt to implement a bold plan - to persuade Finnish leaders to cooperate based on taking into account the interests of both countries. Naturally, such negotiations required the strictest secrecy, so that the extreme right-wing forces in Finland and their patrons abroad would not get a reason to take retaliatory steps. The political intelligence, which had a “legal” residency in Helsinki and its own communication channels, would cope most successfully.

Data on the course of the Soviet-Finnish negotiations that began in the spring of 1938 came from Helsinki directly to Stalin, bypassing the People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs. Even intelligence officials did not receive complete information about them. For the purpose of conspiracy, the operation was encoded, giving it the name "Case of April 7th."

It was late evening on April 7, 1938. Zoya Ivanovna Rybkina was anxiously awaiting the return from service of her husband Boris Arkadevich. Rumors creeped around Moscow about the numerous arrests of people who had been deeply respected yesterday, and today were charged with the most serious crimes. Acquaintances, colleagues, one after another, suddenly disappeared. At the mere thought of this, the heart contracted anxiously. You never know what could happen to her Boris ...

The Rybkins have just returned from a business trip to Finland, where they have been living for three years. Boris Arkadevich led the "legal" residency of the 5th department of the NKVD GUGB (foreign intelligence), being the second secretary of the embassy, "Boris Nikolayevich Yartsev," Zoya Ivanovna acted as deputy resident. Her official cover was the head of the Intourist office in Helsinki.

The front door heard the noise of an open door, then the familiar steps. Zoe rushed to meet her husband. "Everything is in order, Zoyinka! Soon on the road again," he reassured.

Since his wife was his direct deputy in the residency, Boris Arkadyevich told her about the secret assignment, during which Zoya Ivanovna had to play a role. He said that he was personally received by I.V. Stalin. He first asked the scout to tell in detail the biography. Asked about the service. As if by the way he asked the question, what kind of fleet does the Finns have. Rybkin replied that the Finns had one destroyer in service, the cruisers Väinämöinen and Ilmarinen ... Having heard these names, Stalin noticed that Väinämöinen and Ilmarinen were the heroes of Kalevala.

Then Joseph Vissarionovich said that there was a need for secret negotiations with the Finnish leadership. It is very important that they take place in an atmosphere of the strictest secrecy. The main goal of the confidential dialogue was to reach an agreement on the transfer of the Soviet border on the Karelian Isthmus away from Leningrad.

Rybkin noted that the Finns have recently maintained close relations with the Germans and are unlikely to want to conduct such negotiations. Stalin blew smoke out of the chimney and calmly said that they should be interested in this matter, suggesting, for example, an exchange of territories, even on the condition that the Soviet Union would give them more than they could give in to. Then he added that in the central part of Suomi almost all the forest has been cut down, all the woodworking plants are standing, the Finns can be promised additional supplies of wood from the Soviet Union.

Stalin asked V.M. Molotov and K.E. Voroshilov, who were present in the office, whether to entrust these talks to Rybkin? They nodded in the affirmative. After a short pause, Stalin said that the ambassador and adviser (his actual deputy) would be recalled to the USSR, and then Rybkin, known as the second secretary of the Yartsev embassy, would automatically become a charge d'affaires, thus gaining the opportunity to establish personal contact with the leadership of Finland.

After Boris Arkadyevich outlined his task to his wife, Zoya Ivanovna doubted whether there was enough skill and experience to solve it. “Not the gods burn the pots, Zoyinka,” the husband joked. And he added: "The main thing is that the negotiations be conducted in complete secrecy. Two or three high-ranking Finns, Stalin, Molotov, Voroshilov and Mikoyan will know about their contents."

A day later, the Rybkins left for Finland.

Immediately upon arrival in Helsinki on April 14, 1938, Yartsev from the embassy called the Finnish Ministry of Foreign Affairs and asked him to join him with Minister Rudolf Holsti.

When a male voice was heard in the receiver, Yartsev greeted him in German. Many Finns knew this language, and the scout knew it well.

“Mr. Minister, could you urgently receive me and discuss face-to-face one highly confidential issue?” - he asked. "Do you, Mr. Yartsev, have questions for me?" - surprised Canvas. “Consider this to be so and that it is in your interests to know them without delay,” the Soviet diplomat answered.

Holsti did not answer for a while, apparently pondering the words of the Russian, then said: "Will you be satisfied with the meeting today,” there was a pause again, “after lunch?" Yartsev thanked and said goodbye.

Holsti, not without curiosity, looked at Yartsev who had come into the office and offered him a chair at the round table, on which coffee cups soon appeared.

"We have, Mr. Minister, to discuss the important problem of improving relations between Finland and Russia, taking into account the situation in Europe, especially in its northern part. I have been vested with the exclusive powers of my government," said the Soviet resident welcoming Holsti. “I have no doubt about it, otherwise you would not have come to my office,” answered Holsti. "Mr. Minister, the indispensable condition for such negotiations should be their absolute secrecy and guarantees against information leakage," Yartsev said. “One can’t but agree with this, of course, if concrete proposals follow from your side,” noted Holsti.

The dialogue was very difficult, especially since Yartsev had to remain silent for a while.

The scout said that in the Soviet Union they were sufficiently aware of Germany’s far-reaching plans for the USSR. According to the Soviet leadership, the Wehrmacht is ready to carry out an amphibious landing on the territory of Finland to create a bridgehead and subsequent strike against the Soviet Union. The Soviet side is interested in the possible reaction of the Finns in the event of a similar situation. According to the competent authorities, Finland could respond to a violation of its neutrality by choosing one of two possible options ...

Holsti, after listening to the interlocutor, to save face expressed doubt about the accuracy of the information received from sources unknown to him, but he immediately showed willingness to hear what these options were. Yartsev did not fail to immediately state how events might develop. "Only that which follows from concrete verified facts," he said. "First of all, we can assume that Finland, misinterpreting its national interests, will come out with Germany and will not impede the deployment of military operations from its territory against the Soviet Union."

“Go on, I'm listening to you,” answered Holsti. “I will not make secrets of how Russia will act in this case. You understand, Mr. Minister, that I am analyzing possible variants of events,” Yartsev noted. “I appreciate your frankness, Mr. Yartsev,” said Kholsti. “What awaits us ahead?”

“I want to assure you,” the answer followed, “that they will not sit idle and wait for the German military units to appear near Leningrad. The Soviet government will have no choice but to direct its Armed Forces forward as far as possible, deep into the territory of Finland, and there to launch defensive battles against the Germans. " “Unpleasant prospect,” sighed Holsti. “But, Mr. Holsti, Finland may wish to resist the German landing,” said Yartsev with a value. “In this case, the Soviet government will provide all kinds of military and economic assistance. If our troops enter Finland, the USSR will commit itself to withdraw at the end of the war, with the development of political cooperation between the two sides, the Soviet Union could seriously expand bilateral economic ties. tyami purchase in Finland of its industrial products, particularly pulp and agricultural products to supply the first Leningrad. " "It is very tempting, Mr. Yartsev, but you do not take into account Finland’s obligations to its friends, neighbors and sympathetic countries," said Holsti. "Our proposals do not prejudice third countries," retorted Yartsev. "On the contrary, they are aimed at strengthening peace in the region." “Do you understand, Mr. Yartsev, that the Finns have their own foreign policy pursued by our government? You must have very good arguments and concrete proposals to force the Finns to raise the question of revising the country's foreign policy,” Holsti interrupted him. “I have not finished, Mr. Minister,” continued Yartsev. “It is known that in the early thirties a wave of“ Papua movement ”(the Finnish version of fascism. - V.P.) has risen in Finland. Its program includes anti-Soviet demagogy, agitation for the creation "Great Finland", which will include Leningrad and the whole of Karelia. Members of the "Papua movement" encounter all attempts of the Soviet side to improve relations with Finland. Do you exclude, Mr. Minister, that Finnish fascists are able to raise a rebellion and form a new pro-Germans th government, which will provide support to the plans and intentions of the Germans? Suffice it to a small leak of information about our negotiations to the fascist elements in Finland and their friends abroad, we tried to organize a coup. " "Are you sure about that?" asked Holsti. “This is all I can say, Mr. Minister of Foreign Affairs,” Yartsev replied. “Are you ready to continue negotiations on the issues that I have raised, of course, by no means addressing any other persons from among the Soviet diplomats?” “Mr. Yartsev,” Holsti slightly closed his eyes, “I cannot independently decide to continue negotiations without receiving the sanction of President Kallio.6 I will report to him about our conversation. But first I want to ask clarifying questions.”

“Mr. Minister, it will only make sense to clarify these and other details,” objected Yartsev, “if there is confidence that the Finnish government will maintain neutrality and not refuse the assistance offered by the Soviet Union.”

Holsti still wondered how to detain Yartsev and get him more complete information, but the scout interrupted his thoughts: “Mr. Minister, we need to start with the main one, from the essence of the issue, and we will discuss the details thoroughly. I do not say goodbye, Mr. I’m sure, see you soon. "

Prime Minister A. Kayander and Holsti together analyzed the information received from Yartsev. There was no doubt that the USSR government was afraid of the German attack and was hopeful that with the help of the Soviet-Finnish treaty it would be able to ensure the security of its country from the north-west. The proposals were of interest to Helsinki. But was it worth it to go to a military-political alliance with the Russians, thereby calling into question the relations of Finland with France, England, Germany, as well as Sweden and Norway, which would hardly be pleased with the Soviet-Finnish agreements? However, it was also not necessary to rush to reject the Soviet initiative: the situation in Europe was constantly changing.

Kayander and Holsti agreed that negotiations should be continued, without promising anything, to collect as much information as possible and observe how far the Russians would go in their proposals for cooperation.

As it has now become known from publications in the press of the Scandinavian countries, the leaders of Finland evaluated the form of negotiation chosen by the Soviet side as the most acceptable in that situation, since bypassing diplomatic channels it was possible to ensure the greatest preservation of secrecy, and in case of unforeseen complications it was always too late to deny himself the fact of communication of Finnish leaders with a certain Yartsev.

After a new meeting with Holsti, Yartsev (Rybkin) soon left for Moscow to personally report to IV Stalin on the results achieved, which he assessed in his report as "so far modest."

“The Finns are ready to listen, but they prefer to remain silent about their decision,” he said. “The main thing is that they agreed with you on secret negotiations,” Stalin stated. “Promise them new perspectives and, like a good fisherman, gradually pull them out of the water towards yourself. It is unlikely that the Finns should be shown that we are more interested in negotiations than they are. Let them understand that they have reached out a hand, which would be rather stupid to repel. We hope for you, Yartsev, and wait for the results. "

The tube was removed from the mouth, which signified the end of the conversation.

From Moscow, Yartsev returned to Helsinki this time through Stockholm, where he had a confidential conversation with the Minister for Foreign Affairs of Sweden R. Sandler, who showed great interest in security issues of the Aland Islands, as well as with a number of other useful people.

In an apartment in Helsinki, Yartsev hugged Zoya Ivanovna tightly. They sat down to drink tea. Boris talked about a trip to Moscow and Stockholm, asked what was new in Helsinki.

One evening Rybkin remarked: “Almost two months have passed since my visit to Holsti. You can’t wait any longer. It seems that it's time to push the Finns to the next meeting. We need to talk with our Finnish friends about the fact that Russia has made a favorable offer to Finland. But I have the feeling that pro-fascist youths and their foreign friends will try to disrupt the exchange of views that has begun.

Finnish influential figures who maintained relations with the Soviet residency did some work in government circles, and on June 11, 1938, this time at the initiative of the Finns, Yartsev met with Prime Minister Kayander. Both participants carefully prepared for it.

“I’ll remind you, Mr. Prime Minister,” Yartsev began, “that I have already talked about the expansionist policies of Germany and its attempts to use Finnish territory for the purpose of the subsequent attack on Russia. Much will depend on the choice of Finland’s position in this difficult situation. It’s obvious that rapprochement with Germany would involve Helsinki in dangerous adventures, and a political union with Russia, on the contrary, would promise her prosperity. " Kayander answered somewhat pathetically: "Finland is a neutral country, and the path of military alliances is not for her. Suomi will not allow anyone to violate its neutrality and territorial integrity."

Yartsev repelled the blow: “I have no doubt in your noble intentions, Mr. Prime Minister. But how will Finland protect itself by acting alone?” Kayander nervously cringed. He had nothing to argue on the merits, and it was premature to talk about possible plans for participation in the war on the side of Germany, moreover, he should not have told the Russian, because such plans already worried the minds of extremist politicians in Finland. “If the war that the Finns don’t want, nevertheless, breaks out, the Finnish people will remain firm in spirit and will do everything to save the fatherland,” he said finally. “I draw your attention to the fact that Finland equally opposes the use of its territory by any major powers and hopes that the USSR, for its part, will also respect the inviolability of Finnish territory. " “Mr. Kayander,” Yartsev remarked with a kind smile, “you know very well who is pursuing a policy of aggression and who is opposing it. On behalf of the Soviet government, I declare that if the Soviet Union receives firm assurances, and not just promises that the Germans "strongholds in Finland will not be provided, and it will not be used as a springboard in the war against Russia, then the Russians will immediately guarantee the inviolability of the territory of Suomi."

Kayander really wanted to say neither yes nor no. Such uncertainty would free the hands of the Finnish government. As an experienced politician, he tried to close an uncomfortable question by putting forward a counter option. "Sometimes a goal is achieved sooner if they advance towards it in a roundabout but more reliable way. For example, it would be important to stimulate Finnish-Soviet trade negotiations," he said. “A trade agreement between the USSR and Finland, Mr. Prime Minister, will be concluded and will be able to function successfully if the political relations of our countries are clear and definite,” the interlocutor retorted the attempt of the Finnish Prime Minister to avoid discussing the sensitive issue. “Without signing a political agreement and the adoption of specific obligations by the parties is hardly feasible. " “Again about the Soviet-Finnish alliance?” Kayander grumbled discontentedly. “But I said that neutrality is an unshakable principle for the Finns.” "Mr. Prime Minister, today, apparently, we have nothing to add to what has already been said, and it is better to continue the conversation next time, but not next year!" - the Soviet resident drew a line. "I agree with you, Mr. Yartsev."

n parting, the scout in delicate form once again reminded that absolute secrecy of negotiations must be respected and they can be conducted only with him, bypassing other officials from the Soviet plenipotentiary mission.

Thus, Yartsev wanted to emphasize that the threads of the negotiations are firmly in his hands. At the same time, it was also a safety net, if for some reason there was still a leak of information, as well as an attempt to cover up people associated with the Soviet resident who had organized lobbying at the top of the desired Soviet-Finnish agreement.

AFTER Yartsev left, Kayander, later known to the Soviet residency, invited Cabinet member A. Tanner, a prominent political figure in the country, who soon replaced Holsti as Foreign Minister, and discussed the situation with him.

Kayander instructed Tanner to continue negotiations and clarify insufficiently clear issues.

Yartsev soon sent a cipher telegram to Stalin, in which he reported that the Finns stubbornly did not want to conclude a political agreement. And the fact that the third official (Tanner) has already been entrusted with negotiating with him is evidence of his intention to adhere to the delay tactics. The government of Finland, Yartsev further reported, did not attach serious importance to the demarches of influential representatives of the Finnish public, who insisted on the necessity of concluding a Soviet-Finnish treaty. The resident ended the telegram with the assurance that he would persistently seek answers from the Finns to all questions posed to them.

On August 5, 1938, Yartsev had another meeting with Tanner. The Soviet intelligence officer summarized his vision of the situation in the northern region, pointed out possible alternatives in choosing the political course of Finland in the current situation and the reaction of the Soviet side to them. He assured the interlocutor that if the Finns meet the wishes of Moscow, the Soviet government will give firm guarantees for the security of Suomi and create a favorable climate for the development of trade and economic relations on conditions favorable to Finland.

Tanner insisted no less insistently on the option of settling Soviet-Finnish relations, proposed by Kayander and somewhat personally supplemented by him. His proposals boiled down to a series of interim agreements on the prevention of border conflicts, under the terms of a trade agreement, etc. The issue of the military-political alliance Tanner did not affect, which Yartsev drew his attention to during the conversation. In his opinion, private problems should have been discussed after the decision of the main one (on the union agreement) directly in Moscow in order to attract representatives of the relevant departments to participate.

“The meaning of our negotiations with you is to first approach the solution of a fundamentally important and relevant issue of political cooperation,” the Soviet representative concluded. Tanner energetically objected: "Since the secret negotiations began in Helsinki, it would be advisable to continue them here. In Moscow, there is no doubt a greater chance of attracting the attention of prying eyes, and communication and consultation of the delegation with the Finnish government would be difficult." “I will report to Moscow about your opinion, Mr. Tanner,” Yartsev said and said goodbye.

On August 11, Yartsev met again with Tanner. The scout conveyed to the Finnish minister that the Soviet leadership considers it necessary to hold a discussion in Moscow of issues raised additionally by the Finns, and requests clarification of the lists of participants in the Finnish delegation. Yartsev once again reminded that the discussion of important and mutually beneficial issues in Moscow would be more productive if the fundamental issue of military-political cooperation was previously resolved. "Well, Mr. Yartsev, do you specifically offer us?" - again asked to clarify Tanner. “In my opinion, I have unequivocally expressed myself on this score. If the Finnish government does not believe that it can currently conclude a full-scale agreement with Russia, then Moscow would have been satisfied with Finland’s orally committed to be prepared to repel a possible attack by the aggressor aim to accept military assistance to the USSR. " “The construction of fortifications on the Aland Islands,” continued Yartsev, “is necessary from the point of view of Finland’s security. However, fortifications on the islands are no less necessary to ensure the security of Leningrad. This is obvious, and Moscow can give its consent to strengthen the Aland Islands if Russia will be given the opportunity to take part in this matter, and also if it will be allowed to send there its observer who supervises the progress of engineering work and the subsequent use of the fortress for its intended purpose. eetsya, this observer activities should be secret. "

“Moscow also hopes,” said the intelligence officer, “that the Finnish government will allow the USSR to cooperate with Finland in using a naval and air base on the island of Sur Sari (Hogland).” Yartsev paused to assess what impression the interlocutor made on his interlocutor, but Tanner was silent. Then he continued: "The adoption by Finland of the proposed military cooperation program would be approved and actively supported by Moscow." "How?" Tanner asked. “The USSR would guarantee the inviolability of Finland’s current borders, especially the sea,” said the scout. “If necessary, assistance will be provided with weapons on favorable terms. The Soviet Union will sign a mutually beneficial trade agreement with Helsinki, which would further stimulate the development of its industry and rural farms. "

“A minute, Mr. Yartsev,” interrupted Tanner. “What is“ Russian military assistance ”?” The Soviet representative replied: "I do not mean by this term the sending of the Soviet armed forces to Finland or any territorial concessions on the part of your state. As you see, Mr. Tanner, we have drawn conclusions from the Finns' previous remarks and went to meet them." Tanner nodded with satisfaction, but immediately noticed that his personal position regarding the proposals made still remained negative.

Prime Minister Kayander, to whom Tanner reported on Soviet initiatives, said in an interview with him that "the Russians made some concessions in order to draw closer to the Finns," but was generally negatively inclined, claiming that the Soviet proposals even undermine the new version Finland's neutrality policy.

Acting in accordance with the orders received from Kayander, Tanner invited Yartsev to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and reported on the negative response of Helsinki to the proposals of the Soviet government of August 11. Then he started into abstract discussions about the benefits of trade and the importance of resolving border disputes.

Yartsev made it clear to the interlocutor that he was unproductively using official time, and said goodbye.

September 15, 1938 Tanner again received Yartsev. According to the Finnish diplomat, his government once again analyzed the Soviet proposals and confirms its negative attitude towards them.

“We are not slamming the door or curtailing secret negotiations, Mr. Yartsev,” Tanner summed up. “The Finns are even ready to purchase from Russia the types of weapons they may need. As for strengthening the Aland Islands and the Hogland Island, the Finnish government rejects these offers without any counter considerations. "

Yartsev informed Moscow in detail about the reaction of the Finnish side. The reply telegram said that although the negotiations seemed to have reached an impasse, and the Western “friends” and allies of Finland played a significant role in this, the Soviet representative should not yet declare their termination, responsibility for the unsuccessful outcome should be assumed Finnish side.

In mid-October 1938, Foreign Minister R. Holsti, who returned from negotiations within the framework of the League of Nations, called Yartsev and told him that in Geneva, in the presence of the People’s Commissar M. M. Litvinov and the Foreign Minister of Sweden Sandler, it was agreed that the issue the parties to the agreement on their demilitarization will discuss the strengthening of the Aland Islands (among them were Germans, British, French, Italians and many others, but there was no Soviet representative). The Finnish minister also emphasized that his statement is Helsinki's comprehensive answer.

Holsti soon retired. On November 21, 1938, Yartseva had already taken over the interim Minister of Foreign Affairs V. Vojonmaa. The question concerned the sending of a Finnish trade delegation to Moscow, which included trade advisers and two political experts.

In Moscow, received intelligence information and a report on his last meeting with Holsti. B. A. Rybkin went to the Center to act as an expert if necessary, as well as to receive further instructions.

Despite the seeming futility of secret negotiations between Rybkin (Yartsev) and representatives of the Finnish leadership, he nevertheless managed to drag the Finns into a delicate exchange of views and bring to their attention the position of the Soviet government, backed by very convincing arguments.

On December 7, 1938, the Finnish delegation was twice received by the People's Commissar of Foreign Trade of the USSR A.I. Mikoyan. However, it was not possible to agree on a draft trade agreement because the positions of the parties were too different. It became clear that there was no point in continuing secret negotiations, and therefore it was not advisable for a resident to return to Helsinki. Soon Rybkin received a new appointment and went with his wife to Sweden. There he was to lead the "legal" residency. Boris Arkadievich had a lot of work to do to establish contacts, gather intelligence information and strengthen the position of the Soviet Union in the Scandinavian countries, whose neutrality was subjected to significant testing by fascist Germany.

Negotiations between Finland and the USSR were subsequently conducted through official diplomatic channels, resuming on March 5, 1939. On the Soviet side, the People's Commissar M.M. Litvinov, from Finnish - envoy Irie-Koskinen. The exchange of opinions proceeded sluggishly and irregularly, which can be explained first of all by the uncompromising position of the Finnish government, which was increasingly falling under the influence of the Nazi Reich.

In October 1939, the Kremlin, given the sharp change in the situation on the European continent, harshly raised the question of the Finnish government to cede Gogland Island, one of the coastal military bases and strip north of Leningrad in exchange for the same or even much larger territory in Soviet Karelia. The Finns even more resolutely rejected Soviet demands, relying primarily on the promised help of the West. Political circles in France and England were on the side of Helsinki. Germany, officially taking a "neutral" position, secretly supplied the Finns with weapons and stealthily pushed the Finnish government to take adventurous actions, apparently hoping to see what the Red Army would be like. This was not a secret for Moscow, since Soviet intelligence received comprehensive information.

November 30, Soviet troops crossed the border of Finland. In January 1940, the Finnish government of Ryti-Tanner began to probe the ground for peace with the USSR. On March 12, 1940, a peace treaty was signed in Moscow.

Winter War 1939 - 1940 strengthened the security of the northwestern border of the USSR, albeit at a very high price.

Three decades after those events, Finnish President U. Kekkonen, speaking on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the Soviet-Finnish Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance of 1948, noted that back in April 1938, Soviet Russia made an important attempt to establish a Soviet Finnish relations on a new political basis. But due to the then course of the Finnish government, unfortunately, they did not attach due importance to it.

Nonetheless, these contacts, which were carried out through a representative of Soviet political intelligence endowed with great powers and diplomatic rank, played a role in establishing future good neighborly relations. Conducted with the participation of B.A. Rybkina (Yartseva) secret probe was of moral and political importance, as it helped convince the Soviet leaders that all means of peaceful resolution of the conflict in Soviet-Finnish relations were practically exhausted and in anticipation of the impending war with Nazi Germany there was nothing else to do but resort to armed force to strengthen the border in the northwest.
 
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