Zealot trait suggestion

[soulburn]

As per the title I was thinking the other day about the zealot trait (and the opposing cynical trait).
My suggestion is that they should be split into two pairs.
Zealot would be someone very much into making everyone around them follow the faith and its rules,
the opposite would be tolerant, where you don't give a fig what others believe.
Pious meanwhile would be all about the person holding true to his/her own faith and opposed to impious
characters that happily violates any and all religious rules and norms.

My thought is that you could then get say a impious zealot that is the epitome of do as I say not as I do.
If someone can think of other/better names for the traits please leave a comment.

Zealot: Unable to swap religion or embrace new heresies (obviously if he is already a heretic he considers that the true faith and can't abandon it) , opinion malus from and towards anyone of the wrong faith or anyone with the tolerant trait

Tolerant: Oposite trait to Zealot, reduced malus toward other faiths, can't demand conversions, dislikes zealots even of the same faith.

Pious: Leads a life very much in line with his faith, a christian would try to avoid the seven deadly sins and instead embody the seven virtues. other faiths would obviously have other sins/virtues a Germanic pagan would seek to be brave etc.

Impious: "I kill, I maim, I fornicate but as far as my flock is concerned my only vice is a little tipple before evensong!"
the baby eating bishop of bath and wells, Black Adder series two.

Any thoughts or additions?

 

[Arbus]

I don't see what you're adding here, and I don't like the word "tolerant" in a Medieval setting. The default setting for everyone in the medieval era is "devout", everyone is/should be a devout christian, muslim, etc. "Zealous" are particularly devout individuals that take religious belief as a core part of their identify and purpose. "Cynical" are those which appear to be devout in public, but secretly don't believe some or all of the core tenets of their professed religion. The current system makes sense for the medieval mindset.

About the pious-impious scale, well that's already reflected in the virtuous vs sinful traits. You can have a lustful, envious, cruel zealous character and that already gives you a lot more information and depth than "impious zealot" would. And it's also not black and white, a character can have good and bad traits, and still be zealous, or be cynical, which is a totally fair and realistic system.

 

[soulburn]

First, thanks for the feedback.

My thought on the tolerant was a kind of individual syncretism or the trait you can currently get in ck II where you are sympathetic toward one faith In particular but applied to any and all faiths that aren't yours.

And devout might be a better word for what was going for then pious, the key in my thinking is the split between the individual trying to be the best religionist (is that a word?) he can be v.s. the busybody trying to make everyone else follow the rules.

A zealot who is not devout would be like a celebrity preacher caught in flagrante delicate with a rent boy and a baggie of meth in an airport restroom. trying to bargain with god to get absolution for his sins by making sure that everyone else is devout.

Also the current sins and virtues don't work all that well in the context of non-abrahamitic religions, I would doubt your average pagan would have a whole lot of respect for someone chaste for instance.

Anyways since the whole religion system is apparently being reworked all this might be obsolete, still what else are we going to occupy ourselves with between the morsels of information
that are dev-diaries?

 

[griffus]

As per the title I was thinking the other day about the zealot trait (and the opposing cynical trait).
My suggestion is that they should be split into two pairs.
Zealot would be someone very much into making everyone around them follow the faith and its rules,
the opposite would be tolerant, where you don't give a fig what others believe.
Pious meanwhile would be all about the person holding true to his/her own faith and opposed to impious
characters that happily violates any and all religious rules and norms.

My thought is that you could then get say a impious zealot that is the epitome of do as I say not as I do.
If someone can think of other/better names for the traits please leave a comment.

Zealot: Unable to swap religion or embrace new heresies (obviously if he is already a heretic he considers that the true faith and can't abandon it) , opinion malus from and towards anyone of the wrong faith or anyone with the tolerant trait

Tolerant: Oposite trait to Zealot, reduced malus toward other faiths, can't demand conversions, dislikes zealots even of the same faith.

Pious: Leads a life very much in line with his faith, a christian would try to avoid the seven deadly sins and instead embody the seven virtues. other faiths would obviously have other sins/virtues a Germanic pagan would seek to be brave etc.

Impious: "I kill, I maim, I fornicate but as far as my flock is concerned my only vice is a little tipple before evensong!"
the baby eating bishop of bath and wells, Black Adder series two.

Any thoughts or additions?

I like it. There's lot of writing in the XVI and XVII century, where contemporaries are surprise about how Bishops order to their chef to "disguise" meat as other type of food (in very complex dishes), so they can eat meat on public during the Lent, meanwhile the other attendant of the feast were served another more pious food.