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It don't matter in the long run given that everyone will eventually be rich compared to the past and the richer a country become the less income start to matters.

You do realize how entirely wrong that theory is, right? Not everyone can be rich, it is the disparity between those who have and those who have not that creates the illusion. The problem is the world is increasingly using money as the sole measure of progress and personal achievement which directly forces more and more money into the hands of fewer and fewer people, with the expected blowback from those who have not.
 
Well if you compare to what people had in the past and what people have today and the difference is enormous. What we call poor today would likely be rather well of in the past and thats what Im looking at.

You are entirely too vague.

By your argument, for example, let's take Native Americans living on a protected Reservation. Using your argument they are dirt poor but have 'stuff' and money for fire water which means they are better off than those who came before them. Me? I fail to see how they are intrinsically better off than their ancestors who were forced to live off the land by their wits and the skill of their hand for thousands of years. Is mere existence preferable to true living?

For one group to become 'rich', and much larger group must come under subjugation. The richer the first, the poorer the second.
 
Well if you compare to what people had in the past and what people have today and the difference is enormous. What we call poor today would likely be rather well of in the past and thats what Im looking at.
Being "rich" is a social phenomenon more than it is material one. It comes down to financial security, how sure you are about the security of your living standards, and how you relate to the people around you.

People who are financially insecure and poorer than others around them, experience poverty the same way, regardless if they have more absolute material wealth around them than in the past. Low wage part time worker today might have material comforts that were unimaginable to a well off merchant in the Middle Ages, but the medieval merchant would still be rich in comparison to the modern part time worker due to having much higher social status and financial security.

You put far too much weight on material factors alone and forget other aspects of wealth.
 
Thats all that matters for me here. Going around and comparing myself to other people is pointless.
That's nice for you, but that's not how people behave in general.
 
You just have to appreciate every little thing in life. And since death is the great equalizer, everyone eventually end up the same no matter what they did in their life.

You have just expressed the core tenet of the ultra-priveleged in justifying their way of life; when all are bones, who can tell which was a king, a wiseman, or a fool. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, and mankind is your prey. For when we are all dead, who will care what you may or may not have done - do what you will while you can to whomever you chose whether they want it or not. So make all you can for yourself, and forget about the rest; they are but cattle to the superior mind.

No, thank you. A thousand times, no thank you.
 
You have just expressed the core tenet of the ultra-priveleged in justifying their way of life
And I choose to turn it into a strength for myself. In my mind why not believe in the stuff that make me happy, to me it is not smart to believe in stuff that make me unhappy.
No, thank you. A thousand times, no thank you.
And what do you want? If you got a wish what would you choose to use it for?
 
You have just expressed the core tenet of the ultra-priveleged in justifying their way of life; when all are bones, who can tell which was a king, a wiseman, or a fool. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, and mankind is your prey. For when we are all dead, who will care what you may or may not have done - do what you will while you can to whomever you chose whether they want it or not. So make all you can for yourself, and forget about the rest; they are but cattle to the superior mind.

No, thank you. A thousand times, no thank you.

To be fair, if it actually transpired that the world was being run by a secretive Thelemic elite ruling class, it would explain an awful lot...
 
When you remember that human beings spent tens of thousands of years wearing skins and sleeping in caves, the idea that material wealth is the key to happiness starts to feel ridiculous.

Past the point where it helps solve discrete problems- say, malnourishment or child mortality- wealth is essentially about social status, but as long as we're not on the brink of starvation our social conditions are generally much more salient to us than our material conditions are. This is why inequality has such negative social impacts even in countries that are very wealthy overall.
 
When you remember that human beings spent tens of thousands of years wearing skins and sleeping in caves, the idea that material wealth is the key to happiness starts to feel ridiculous.
Yes it is pretty ridiculous, like why would owning a more expensive car brand make someone more happy, when it is functionally basically the same as their current car? It make a much larger difference to go from living on 1$ per day to live on 10$ per day, than going from living on 1000$ per day to 10 000$ per day since the 1$ may not even be enough for Life needs and the 10$ maybe is enough to cover it. Meanwhile the 1000$ and 10 000$ don't really matter much expect for luxury stuff.

It actually also tell a problem with inequality, if the person who went from 1000$ to 10 000$ instead choose to give 9$ per people who need it, that person could greatly help a thousand people.

Past the point where it helps solve discrete problems- say, malnourishment or child mortality- wealth is essentially about social status,
The good thing is these have gotten alot better today than they was in the past, since the 60s World population doubled but the gdp per capita when taking inflation in account increased by 3 times and poverty rates have sharply declined.
 
Yes it is pretty ridiculous, like why would owning a more expensive car brand make someone more happy, when it is functionally basically the same as their current car? It make a much larger difference to go from living on 1$ per day to live on 10$ per day, than going from living on 1000$ per day to 10 000$ per day since the 1$ may not even be enough for Life needs and the 10$ maybe is enough to cover it. Meanwhile the 1000$ and 10 000$ don't really matter much expect for luxury stuff.

It actually also tell a problem with inequality, if the person who went from 1000$ to 10 000$ instead choose to give 9$ per people who need it, that person could greatly help a thousand people.


The good thing is these have gotten alot better today than they was in the past, since the 60s World population doubled but the gdp per capita when taking inflation in account increased by 3 times and poverty rates have sharply declined.

Well the problem is not about a more expensive car... let's take Germany as a nation with a strong industry 1% of the GDP is agriculture, 28% industry and 71% service. Service sector means that other people do stuff for you... unimportant things, like healthcare, education, legal services, etc.
That's why relative social status is more important even from a purely materialistic standpoint, because the larger part of your costs are related to pay for other members of the society you live and not for electricity, cars or banana.
 
Off topic,

Past the point where it helps solve discrete problems- say, malnourishment or child mortality- wealth is essentially about social status...
This is right and Denkt's completely valid point.

We're not remotely at the point where most human beings have their discrete problems fixed.

Western Europe mostly has (ignoring the banlieues &c.) and its left reviles its rich alternatively for being do-nothing inbred aristos or being blackhearted neoliberal technocrats. It's human, but it's a shitty way to stay prosperous if everyone is well-off but you want to claw down the rich for making you feel bad about yourself. Once the only concern is social status, there's no justification for the state mucking around with it at all.

Everywhere else on earth (including the US lower classes) it's perfectly valid to work to improve basic conditions and perfectly valid to advocate taking from the rich to meet those needs. The fact that the US's upper class has mostly earned their wealth (unlike the most obnoxious rich in Europe) is what keeps most Americans from rallying to fix the structural problems; people don't feel as bitterly towards their higher status since they feel that hard workers and the lucky can still get ahead in the world. People feel (sometimes incorrectly) that there's enough of a safety net for the poor and unlucky not to die and that the worst they face is bankruptcy from failure to work hard enough or to plan ahead. Meanwhile, the groups who strongly disagree with that idea—esp. African-Americans and spoiled upperclass kids who took on too much debt for useless degrees—are mostly behind completely distributionist policies. Most blacks have a completely valid argument, deserving better schools, better health care, &c.; none of the kids do, even though as a society we should make basic tertiary education like community college completely free to people with the time to use it to improve their lives and society.

In any case, @Denkt, you should probably stop arguing with the leftists here. You completely correctly realize that there's no moral justification to steal others' wealth just to make yourself (or even your class) feel better. You correctly realize that there's no happiness to be found by conspicuous consumption or envidious comparisons with your neighbors. They really don't, and they probably won't change their minds in an internet argument.

Getting back to the subject at hand,

These 3 five year plans together likely make up the most successful economic program in human history.
Nah.

I mean, yes, they were important and necessary and a great thing for broad-scale humanity but the actual speed of China's ascent during that period had much more to do with US mentoring & shepherding the country into the WTO, which functioned as China's own build-it-yrself Marshall Plan. As I wrote in greater detail at StackExchange, what was much more important were the changes brought in by Deng & co. in the late '70s and '80s. They don't show up as clearly on GDP charts precisely because the CCP started its economic reforms and opening up slowly, beginning with small-scale experiments and pilot projects. That hesitancy was entirely necessary, with the USSR and Russia showing the problem with pushing too hard too fast with market liberalization, especially in the lack of protections against financial exploitation by domestic or international elites. SE was asking about superpower status; you're asking about the economic miracle; but the important period for both were the '80s.
 
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