The not very widely known aerial fighting and bombing that occurred between the United States and Switzerland during WWII.
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The not very widely known aerial fighting and bombing that occurred between the United States and Switzerland during WWII.
I'm surprised people don't know about this; I'm not exactly a WW2 geek but I thought this was common (casual-Paradox-level) knowledge. Also, kinda the point of the whole "armed neutrality" business ...
Also, just posting topics with YouTube videos sucks. Might as well make a YouTube-History video thread at this point ^^
Also, just posting topics with YouTube videos sucks. Might as well make a YouTube-History video thread at this point ^^
The war criminals in Switzerland could use a few hundred tons of munitions dropped in their direciton to pay them back for the misery they have caused this world.
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There were similar incidents between Spain and the allies in morocco. Notable because the spanish were flying He-112.
You are an intelligent man. I don't think I need to go line by line into the backstory of Swiss banking laws protecting the funds of virutally every dictator in modern history and their rogue operations.
Come on you know Andre, he's a very passionate peddler of entertaining myths.
Like many other questionable "myths", there's often a grain of truth behind them. Swiss banking laws protected both good and evil alike, and Switzerland paid for its neutrality by not looking too closely at the sources of a lot of its bank accounts. I would consider that "expedient" under the circumstances, but not "evil".
Andre just likes to play up those and other issues into epic conspiracies, and pure evil for its own sake. Hitler did the same, by playing up real social issues and portraying them as major challenges to the existence of Germany, and there were just enough real cases to make disproving his wild exaggerations difficult. A half-truth or exaggeration is much more effective than a bold-faced lie, because you can "prove" it with real examples. I wouldn't say that Andre's conspiracy theories are entirely wrong, but they're not entirely right either.
If you wish to believe that large scale Swiss laundering of Nazi funds during and after WWII is a myth, it is your prerogative.
If you want to believe there is no stash of Nazi Art still hanging in Swiss vaults protected by Swiss laws, that is your prerogrative.
If you wish to see this as pragmatic rather than evil, that is your prerogative.
If you want a three page essay detailing the process and explain how money laundering works, I am at your disposal. We can start with Holocaust gold, Swiss banking houses, and Portugeese wolfram paid for in gold via Switzerland that is then melted down and disposed of on the Rua de Oro in Lisbon.
And if you think this is the only time in history Switzerland has turned a bind eye to theives and murderers, that, too, is your prerogative.
If you find this entertaining, I do not. All I see is a pile of corpses and the stench lingers in my nostrils. And if I link that image, I get banned.
If you want to believe there is no stash of Nazi Art still hanging in Swiss vaults protected by Swiss laws, that is your prerogrative.
If you wish to see this as pragmatic rather than evil, that is your prerogative.
If you want a three page essay detailing the process and explain how money laundering works, I am at your disposal. We can start with Holocaust gold, Swiss banking houses, and Portugeese wolfram paid for in gold via Switzerland that is then melted down and disposed of on the Rua de Oro in Lisbon.
And if you think this is the only time in history Switzerland has turned a bind eye to theives and murderers, that, too, is your prerogative.
If you find this entertaining, I do not. All I see is a pile of corpses and the stench lingers in my nostrils. And if I link that image, I get banned.
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Calling Swiss semicollaboration and profiteering "evil" is a matter of opinion; calling those perpetrating it "war criminals" seems like stretching a term far past the breaking point.
On topic: San Marino* and the Vatican city were also occasionally bombed by allied aircraft during the battle for Italy. Precise navigation is difficult, national borders aren't visible from the air, and one spot of land looks much like another.
*EDIT: I suppose Andre can say that this was justified as preemptive retaliation for their modern role in tax evasion.
On topic: San Marino* and the Vatican city were also occasionally bombed by allied aircraft during the battle for Italy. Precise navigation is difficult, national borders aren't visible from the air, and one spot of land looks much like another.
*EDIT: I suppose Andre can say that this was justified as preemptive retaliation for their modern role in tax evasion.
Andre appreciates you not putting words in his mouth.
Other than that, I have no problem redefining the charge from war criminal to accessory after the fact, like a fence in a high end burglary.
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If America really wanted to have a go against money launderers and war criminals, they really should bomb themselves. I mean, no one else can do it!
I don't recall anyone dropping " a few hundred tons of munitions in their direction".
Our old friend Danubian Cossack would stand on his desk and cheer this use of Whataboutism.
Salut.
Salut.
Switzerland is at least close to the target. The Soviets bombed Stockholm, seperated by the Baltic Sea from any target.
Come on, Ruskies and their optics
If Comrade Stalin says Stockholm is in Finland, who is going to tell him no?