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I can only remember demographers being puzzled by that and trying many theories. Maybe the matter was settled, idk, but it was still a curiosity after Zola was long dead. The only sure thing was that it was low birth rate that was behind low growth of French population, not famine, high death rate, emmigration, or whatever. Thus the cultural explanations about wicked French sexual practices :D
 
It's very far from obvious, as already pointed out and linked. Is it a German idiom or something?

Indeed. Never heard of it and googling it brought up the "Lyon carriage" position which was supposedly about having sex without harming a pregnancy.
 
Indeed. Never heard of it and googling it brought up the "Lyon carriage" position which was supposedly about having sex without harming a pregnancy.

Ok it is apparently a Central European thingy, most probably because the practice was spread by the Napoleonic armies here... it is oral sex. ;)
 
"frenching" is about kissing with tongues in English.
 
I've moved these replies to this post, so that the French stuff can be moved to OT or a separate history thread:

How "special" is China's population density anyway? I mean, it's huge (even ignoring the empty stuff, but then you should ignore the less dense regions in other countries too). The Yellow River alone is some 5500km compared to the Rhine at 1200km or something (also broader, connects to more other rivers, and so on (and the amount of silt it carries is craaaazy. I don't know how fertile that stuff is compared to what other rivers carry, but it's like 30-times as much as the Nile...). If we say that river are major factors, add to that something of a head start, some suitable crops, a bit better weather overall possibly, perhaps slightly better ground, for how much of a difference do we still need to account? ^^;
People don't really mean all of China most of the time when they say 'China', especially in this context. Everyone lives east of a diagonal line that bisects the country that roughly corresponds to the old idea of "China proper". That area's what's really under discussion here: the land of the Han culture within China.

Does this mean the explanation for Europe from temperature is just bollocks,
Yes. Growing seasons and crops matter though.

(Amsterdam is a whopping 15° further north than Binzhou, or in other words, Cairo is closer to it in latitude, at 30° to Binzhou's 37 and Amsterdam's 52)
I was going to say 'but no one lives in Binzhou' but China being China of course three million people do. Still, the more important cities like Luoyang are even further south than it is, so your point remains valid.
 
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Come to think of it, yes, oral sex is "frenching" in Hungarian.
Well, it seems Gordy and I and most English speakers have led sheltered lives. There are some dialects where this is a thing in English, apparently.

Nothing that's made it onto Urban Dictionary or Wiktionary or Merriam-Webster yet, but per the OED:

French, v.

Etymology:
< French adj. In sense 7 after French leave n. In sense 9 after French kiss n. 2; compare earlier French kiss v.

1. transitive. With it. To pretend to be French. Obsolete.Apparently an isolated use.
1639 T. Fuller Hist. Holy Warre iv. xvi. 196 The Turks could not French it so handsomely, but that they were discovered... It was plain for any to read Turk in their beards and complexions.

2. transitive. Cookery (now chiefly U.S.). To prepare a joint by partially separating the meat from the bone and removing any excess fat.
1747 H. Glasse Art of Cookery ii. 45 To French a Hind Saddle of Mutton..Cut off the Rump and carefully lift up the Skin with a Knife.
1795 S. Martin New Experienced Eng.-Housekeeper iii. 23 Mind not to leave too much fat in the inside [of the mutton], if you like to have the inside frenched, do it thus [etc.].
1895 Standard Dict. French v., to prepare, as a chop, by partially cutting the meat from the shank and leaving bare the bone so as to fit it for convenient handling.
1938 Kokomo (Indiana) Tribune 18 Feb. 9/4 Tenderloin of pork is a delicacy—may be frenched and served variety of ways.
1995 Gourmet Mar. 152/1 For this recipe, the rack of lamb is frenched all the way down to the eye of the meat.
2005 D. L. Fowler Dining at Monticello 109/1 ‘Frenching’ the chops—that is, scraping all the meat, cartilage, and fat from the long rib bone, leaving only the meaty ‘eye’—is a nice touch.


3. transitive. To style (hair) in a fashion regarded as French. Cf. Frenched adj. Now historical and rare.
1762 Beauties of all Mag. Sel. I. 54/2 Hair-dressing, either frenched or only simply toupeed.
1790 M. Pilkington Delia II. xxxv. 10 It looks so preposterous to see a person, at her time of life, with her poor grey hairs all frizzled and frenched out, and a little sort of fly cap stuck on the top.
1933 T. Hughes in A. S. Turberville Johnson's Eng. I. xiv. 392 Leaders of eccentric taste in the seventies wore the front of the wig, called the foretop, increased in height to absurd proportions. Such wigs were often ‘frenched’ or ‘trenched’.


4. transitive. To teach (a person) French. Obsolete.
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5. intransitive. Of tobacco, cotton, or other plants: to become diseased and distorted. Also transitive. Cf. Frenchman n. 4.
1836 Neville Papers in J. B. Lewis N. Carolina Eng. (1939) (M.A. thesis, Univ. of N. Carolina) 166 We cut our tobacco too soon & our second crop almost all frenched.
1852 G. Evans Let. 14 May in G. N. Jones Florida Plantation Rec. (1927) 67 My Corn Crop Looks better than it did Last year this time. It have Frenched a Little I see in Places.
1866 W. J. Barbee Cotton Question x. 240 When corn is thus Frenched..it grows light-colored, sometimes almost white, or striped, and bears no crop.
1926 Science Sept. 278/2 The past winter Turkish tobacco plants..frenched, thus giving an opportunity for a study of the disease in pots in the greenhouse.
1951 Bull. Torrey Bot. Club 78 228 (table) All varieties frenched but Havana 38 and 142 produced extreme symptoms.


6. transitive. To translate into the French language. Also: to give a French form or character to.
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7. intransitive. U.S. Navy slang. To go absent without leave, esp. from the U.S. Naval Academy. Also with out. Cf. French leave n. Now historical.
1892 Amer. Notes & Queries 9 52/1 [A cadet] was caught smoking and received a number of demerits, which prohibited him going out in town... The young man attempted to ‘French out’, and was caught.
1907 N.Y. Times 14 Sept. 18 The midshipman recently recommended for dismissal from the Naval Academy for ‘frenching’ from his ship during the late summer cruise.
1947 W. F. Halsey & J. Bryan Admiral Halsey's Story ii. 25 He Frenched regularly after supper and was never apprehended.
2000 R. A. Jones Confederate Corsair ii. 20 Some acting midshipmen ‘frenched out’ by scaling the wall and going into Annapolis to drink.


8. transitive and intransitive. slang. To practise fellatio or cunnilingus (on).
c1928 Poems, Ballads, & Parodies 19 Bartender, he Frenched my Nellie.
?1937 Typescript (anon., ‘I was twenty years at the time’) (Univ. of Chicago Libr.: Ernest W. Burgess Papers, Box 98, Folder 11) 1 I frenched him twice in two weeks.
1955 J. O'Hara Ten North Frederick 151 She..Frenched me.
c1965 in E. Partridge Dict. Slang (1970) Suppl. 1146 She thought he was asleep, and Frenched him.
1967 H. Wentworth & S. B. Flexner Dict. Amer. Slang (new ed.) 684 French, to commit fellatio or cunnilingus.
2004 R. DeMarinis Apocalypse Then ii. viii. 179 That first day was when Magda ‘Frenched’ me. That's all she would ever allow... I kept nagging her..for the proper way that men and women do it.


9. transitive and intransitive. slang (originally North American). = French kiss v.
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So apparently it was current to a NYC-based writer as late as 2004.

Further, "French kiss" originally meant kissing or touching cheeks in the French manner, which I'd never heard of before:

French kiss, n.

1. An act or instance of kissing a person on both cheeks, typically as a greeting.

1836 Let. in H. Twiss Public & Private Life Ld. Eldon (1844) III. lx. 263 I do not think there would be any harm in sending him a French kiss. It is what no English lawyer can object to, it being only justice to make both sides of the face alike.
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2007 R. Johnston
Big Lie vi. 37 She had informed the amused seniors that the custom of greeting people with a kiss on each cheek was known as the French kiss.

2. A kiss with contact between tongues.
1922 E. H. Paul Indelible i. 61 She showed me the French kiss where you stick your tongue out, but I did n't like it.
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And, still further, what Brits usually call an Irish good-bye had also been a French leave since the 18th century.

Of course, this whole section of the conversation should be frenched out (2.) from this thread.
 
And, still further, what Brits usually call an Irish good-bye had also been a French leave since the 18th century.

French leave I've heard of even if it is somewhat archaic but "Irish goodbye" is new to me. It sounds like something violent, like you headbutt someone before leaving. Cf Glasgow kiss or Glasgow handshake.
 
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As a midwestern American, 'Frenching' means kissing with tongue.

The 'French position' has me scratching my head initially. I'm thinking something involving holes in sheets. If you had instead said 'The French method' I would have gotten it.
 
In Polish, French kiss indeed means tongue kissing (not much used anymore). But French sex/love means oral sex. And French disease...

Well, you catch the drift.
 
As a midwestern American, 'Frenching' means kissing with tongue.

The 'French position' has me scratching my head initially. I'm thinking something involving holes in sheets. If you had instead said 'The French method' I would have gotten it.
Holes in sheet were the ultra-religious folks so they wouldn't have to see each other naked.

What is a German kiss?
 
Ok it is apparently a Central European thingy, most probably because the practice was spread by the Napoleonic armies here... it is oral sex. ;)
It's fairly common usage in the Netherlands too. In the days before the interwebs "discreet" newspaper adds referred to French, Russian and Greek practices.
 
People don't really mean all of China most of the time when they say 'China', especially in this context. Everyone lives east of a diagonal line that bisects the country that roughly corresponds to the old idea of "China proper". That area's what's really under discussion here: the land of the Han culture within China.


Yes. Growing seasons and crops matter though.


I was going to say 'but no one lives in Binzhou' but China being China of course three million people do. Still, the more important cities like Luoyang are even further south than it is, so your point remains valid.
Fair enough but area of Han culture postdates the first agricultural innovations. The Yellow River civilization expanded to incorporate both Sichuan and the lower Yangtze area, so we're really looking at 3 originally independent areas with their own population booms based on different crops.
 
Fair enough but area of Han culture postdates the first agricultural innovations. The Yellow River civilization expanded to incorporate both Sichuan and the lower Yangtze area, so we're really looking at 3 originally independent areas with their own population booms based on different crops.
Sure, if you don't count the guys in the Xiang Valley as a fourth. I mentioned that all upthread somewhere.

In any case, all the places you're talking about are the centers of agriculture and early civilization and are not the places he was talking about (arid, nonarable, etc.) which are mostly hinterlands grabbed or recovered under the Qing.
 
It's fairly common usage in the Netherlands too. In the days before the interwebs "discreet" newspaper adds referred to French, Russian and Greek practices.
I know two of those. Russian is what? Ears?