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While another war is probably the last thing desired by any segment of Assyrian society, surely now is the time to push into Persia while they are weak and disunited? Perhaps establish some tributary states rather than deal with the integration of yet another hostile new group into the Kingdom? It would be nice to try and nip a potential major rival in the bud, although clearly dealing with all of the other regional threats has rather diminished our capacity to do so
 
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King Niv II and I have the same goal in CK2 - SURVIVE! I have a question about the switch from KoJ to KoP is it cultural or is KoJ only a option if it is the character's top title. In my current game the Greek Catholic Byzantine Basileus claimed the KoJ and the title switched to KoP? The Levantine former king regained the kingdom as a Byz vassal and the title returned to KoJ. For Niv, KoJ would be his second kingdom title not primary. Thank you and congratulations on surviving the Jerusalem wars.
 
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If a war takes 20 years to run its course (and, arguably, this one hasn’t even done that) it seems a fair bet that things will end with some sort of anticlimax. Perhaps we can generously call this a ‘positive stalemate’ for the Assyrians? Nothing has really changed, but a few crises have been worked out (in blood!) and you would expect that things might now be quiet for a few years at least. For one thing, who is left to kill and be killed?!

Another cracker, Tommy. :D
 
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All that bloodshed and in the end, Niv's not even king of Jerusalem, what a painful war eh? Maybe it's time to focus on uniting Persia instead, plenty of opportunities there me thinks.
 
The Cuman betrayal set Assyria back, but some of Palestine is Assyrian...

Will the new truce with the Turks and the Germans last? Will Byzantium attack Assyria?
 
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Isho the Unlucky – 1320-1342
Isho the Unlucky – 1320-1342

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The son of Niv II, Isho, although fairly talented, was blighted by frequent misfortune. Coming of age in the midst of the Palestinian Wars, he spent more than a decade serving as a lieutenant in his fathers armies. In 1314, at the disastrous battle of Krak de Moab, he was captured by the Shia, aged thirty six. For the next six years the Arabs held him in captivity at a fortress of Tabuk. There he suffered all manner of humiliations, torture and confinement, until his release was finally negotiated as a part of the truce that brought the long running Levantine conflict to and end. Gaunt and weakened, he would rejoin his ageing father in Nineveh in 1320. There would be little time for happy reunions, as conflict began to brew once more within a year of the Crown Prince’s return.

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Through the King’s two decades of gruelling campaigning in the west, many of the Assyrian nobility in Mesopotamia had taken the opportunity to pursue their own interests. For some, this had meant small incursions eastward into the power vacuum in Persia. But the largest expansion came in the south east, where Malik Ahai of Basra spearheaded half a dozen campaigns into the Persian Gulf and eastern Arabia. Capitalising on alliances with local Nestorian tribes, Ahai conquered a swathe of land stretching all the way to Qatar, with influence deep into the Arabian Desert. Although angered by the growing Christian presence, local Muslim powers remained too weak and divided to retaliate. This was until the conclusion of the Palestinian Wars in the west. During the conflict the Shia tribes of western Arabia had mobilised thousands of fighters and revived a spirit of holy war. Many of these same ghazi would flock to the east the join the banner of the exiled Caliph Lot, who promised to expel the Assyrians from the Gulf as he embarked on a new Jihad in 1321.

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As the Muslims swarmed into the region in their tens of thousands, Malik Ahai’s defences were utterly overwhelmed and he was forced to flee back to Basra while Caliph Lot established a court on the island of Bahrain. As Ahai plead to Nineveh for assistance, Niv donned his battle armour one last time – leading a some twenty thousand men south to face down this new threat. Unfortunately for the battle hardened sovereign, he had woefully underestimated the scale of the threat facing him. After several months of sparring between Muslim and Assyrian forces, the full weight of the Caliph’s power was brought down upon the Hammer at the battle of Avan in 1323. King Niv II, after four and a half decades on the throne – the large majority of which was spent at war, was slain in the field – dying every inch the warrior king. Isho meanwhile failed to prevent the collapse of the Assyrian resistance in the chaotic aftermath of his father’s demise – leading a disorderly retreat back to Basra with the remnants of his army. Now King in his own right, Isho agreed to surrender Assyrian Arabia to the Caliph, sparing Basra but enduring his realm’s largest territorial contraction since the loss of Malabar.

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Defeat in war and the death of the respected King Niv II was a mortal blow to the standing of the Assyrian monarchy. Furthermore, the abandonment of the Gulf left the Basrans fearful of their insecurity and abandonment. The realm soon feel into civil war. The rebels were led by a young woman of great power and ambition – Samiyah Karamalish, the Malikah of Edessa. The niece of Ahai of Basra, Samiyah ruled a sprawling domain that snaked from its heartland around her seat of power in Edessa, along the Euphrates and into central Babylonia and the Zagros Mountains. With royal Qatwa blood flowing through her veins from the maternal line, through which she had inherited her southern lands, she claimed the Assyrian crown for himself – promising to restore the primacy of the Mesopotamian heartland, Beth Nahrain, and the Assyrian people.

With the royal army battered from its defeats to the Muslims, Isho was ill equipped to face down Samiyah’s threat. Although success in capturing Basra from Ahai, who had sided with his niece, Isho abandoned attempts to defend Baghdad, allowing it to fall to the rebels, in order to secure Nineveh itself. With the Cumans of Tabriz having remained loyal to the crown, fearing the patriotic rhetoric of the pretender and her followers, Isho pushed back against Samiyah in the east, capturing her territories in the Zagros and fighting a bloody stalemate in central Babylonia. At the same time however, the King lost ground in the west, with the rebels pushing towards Palmyra and Damascus, the Levantine provinces still being too devastated from the Palestinian Wars to adequately defend themselves.

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Unable to resolve the conflict on the field of battle, Isho sought a diplomatic solution. In 1326, Isho was forty four. His first wife had borne him three children, including a son – Nechunya, yet she had died of smallpox during his captivity in Tabuk the previous decade and he had never remarried. Meanwhile. Samiyah was twenty five, still in her prime childbearing years, and had not yet found a worthy suitor. Isho’s solution to the intractable civil war was therefore a union between its two protagonists. The King and the Malikah would wed and, most importantly, primacy in the line of succession would be given to any product of their marriage, effectively disinheriting Isho’s eldest son.

Dreams of harmony and internal peace were short lived. Less than two years after their marriage, the Malikah had risen in revolt once again in 1328 – claiming that Isho had failed to consummate their marriage, reneging on their political and matrimonial vows. Although personally humiliating, the King’s military position had strengthened during the interlude of peace and he was able to strike quickly and unwaveringly against his wife – scattering her armies and capturing the Malikah herself in 1329 as she attempted to withdraw behind the high walls of Edessa. With Samiyah captive in a well-guarded turret in Nineveh, away from his allies and influence through the rest of the realm, the civil war was now truly over.

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The wave of social and political instability that the Black Death had unleashed across Eurasia had echoes enduring for decades. Perhaps the last great wave of unrest that the plague stimulated came in the Byzantine Empire, which in the first decades of the fourteenth century underwent a painful religious revolution. Greek Orthodoxy had been deeply shaken by the trauma of the attempted union with Rome and the following Byzantine Crusade a century before. For much of the thirteenth century, the Church was wracked by philosophical and theological debates and the rise and ebb of reform movements. The great plague only stimulated this inward looking energy more, providing the backdrop for the emergence of Paulicanism. The Paulicans took inspiration from the earlier Iconoclasts by seeking to strip back Orthodoxy and return to a purer, simpler and less stratified Church. In the early fourteenth century they made their bid for power – seizing control over the Patriarchate in Constantinople against the will of the Emperor in 1304 and setting off decades of religious warfare.

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Assyria made an unexpectedly significant intervention into this power struggle in 1332 through a minor border dispute in Syria. Hoping to capitalise on the Greeks’ perceived weakness, the Assyrians occupied the town of Asas – the only Byzantine foothold along the Euphrates. Unwilling to surrender this land without a fight, the Emperor Methodios, a follower of Old Orthodoxy, sailed to Syria to eject the Assyrians. Unfortunately for the Romans, the resulting battle the two sides fought near Hama would be of far greater consequence than the small scrap of land they were fighting to defend. Although the fighting itself was somewhat inconclusive, both sides suffering heavy losses but neither able to decisively claim the field, Edgar, the head of the Varangian Guard and one of the Emperor’s most able allies, was slain on the field while Methodios himself was captured. Although the Basileus was quickly released in exchange for his surrender of Asas and a substantial tribute, his humiliation at Hama would badly shake his prestige and facilitate a Paulician resurgence that would bring down Old Orthodoxy for good.

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Isho had not escaped from Hama unscathed either. A wound he sustained to his leg during the fighting duly grew gangrenous, leading to a crude amputation from the court physicians in Nineveh. Badly weakened, Isho would turn to his son, Nechunya, to take on a greater role in governing the realm. Having never forgiven his father for the betrayal of proposed disinheritance through his union with Samiyah the previous decade, Nechunya assumed significant control over his father’s care and would take the opportunity to flowing poison him with mercury and sideline him from the affairs of state – allowing the Prince to assume ever greater control over the realm. By the time Isho finally passed away in 1342 he was almost completely unable to function. So ended a most turbulent of royal lives.
 
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Samiyah was indeed all real in game, I did manage to get her to marry Isho after her first rebellion - and she did indeed rebel within a couple years of marriage (with no children)!

So much death, for so little gain. Is Niv happy with his life's accomplishment?

Indeed, when you combine this with the civil war before it, the death toll under Niv is genuinely staggering. If CK had a slower manpower recovery rate like EU4, then we would be crippled for decades.

Heh, now a Turkic Palestine, that would've been something..

Indeed, it almost made me want to let them win! From here we will consider the region to have a sizeable Cuman minority, just like in other areas of their settlements in Assyria.

A moment of peace, bought at such a price. Nevertheless, Niv can perhaps console himself with the thought that he has managed to maintain his grip on the Holy City despite such a brutal and bloody series of trials, and that things could have gone much, much worse.

Jerusalem is the real point here that Niv can take away as a big victory. Most of the lands he gained from the Palestinian Wars aren't very valuable - mostly poor, a lot of desert. A lot of the best coastal provinces stayed in Latin hands (Lebanon, the Palestinian coast outside of Acre). But the Holy City is still quite the prize.

While another war is probably the last thing desired by any segment of Assyrian society, surely now is the time to push into Persia while they are weak and disunited? Perhaps establish some tributary states rather than deal with the integration of yet another hostile new group into the Kingdom? It would be nice to try and nip a potential major rival in the bud, although clearly dealing with all of the other regional threats has rather diminished our capacity to do so

Rather than take this moment to expand out east we instead allowed ourselves to be sucked into looking internally throughout most of Isho's short and unhappy reign. The big question is, are we leaving it too late if we want to take more of Persia? A new power will surely consolidate in the region at some point.

King Niv II and I have the same goal in CK2 - SURVIVE! I have a question about the switch from KoJ to KoP is it cultural or is KoJ only a option if it is the character's top title. In my current game the Greek Catholic Byzantine Basileus claimed the KoJ and the title switched to KoP? The Levantine former king regained the kingdom as a Byz vassal and the title returned to KoJ. For Niv, KoJ would be his second kingdom title not primary. Thank you and congratulations on surviving the Jerusalem wars.

You may be right here on the mechanics of why it changed to Philistia. I had assumed it was due the the culture shift (as with Assyria and Babylonia instead of Al-Jazira and Iraq), but I haven't experimented around to check.

If a war takes 20 years to run its course (and, arguably, this one hasn’t even done that) it seems a fair bet that things will end with some sort of anticlimax. Perhaps we can generously call this a ‘positive stalemate’ for the Assyrians? Nothing has really changed, but a few crises have been worked out (in blood!) and you would expect that things might now be quiet for a few years at least. For one thing, who is left to kill and be killed?!

Another cracker, Tommy. :D

Indeed, that final conflict in the Persian Gulf might even be seen as a final chapter to the Palestinian Wars - with many of the Shia warriors shifting to attack on another front (and with major success). Our only respite was that they didn't keep pushing on after defeating us there. The net gain of territory after all that fighting is very uninspiring - aside from Acre (part of the initial inheritance) it consists of most of Transjordan, a few mostly desert provinces in central Palestine and of course Jerusalem itself. Aside from the Holy City, hardly stellar gains for so much effort.

All that bloodshed and in the end, Niv's not even king of Jerusalem, what a painful war eh? Maybe it's time to focus on uniting Persia instead, plenty of opportunities there me thinks.

Those Palestinian Wars really had me pulling my hair out at times when I was playing the game - but that's how you know its going to make a more interesting update :p. Persia remains a tantalising prospect - we just need a bit of stability and unity now to be able to take advantage of the opportunity!

The Cuman betrayal set Assyria back, but some of Palestine is Assyrian...

Will the new truce with the Turks and the Germans last? Will Byzantium attack Assyria?

The Cumans actually stayed loyal in a civil war! So that is something at least .... Meanwhile, it was us who struck agains the Byzantines. We only gained one tiny province, but left a body blow against their empire.
 
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Not sure this new king is a good man, betrayd by hs father or not, what he did surely must anger the righteous and the church.
 
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Years in prison as Crown Prince, locked into a loveless marriage of expedience to paper over a delicate political situation, near-constant strife but at home and abroad... Isho's reign was certainly not a happy one. Losing Arabia back to the Muslims is an embarrassing seback, and while Asas was a success, it's no Jerusalem.
 
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Mayhem! There is no other word to describe life in Nineveh. How many internal threats must be managed before Nechunya can take the show on the road? Is it known that he assisted his father's exit? Our brave chronicler, thank you and have a refreshing beverage.
 
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Comments on the last two chapters after a concerted catch-up:
Despite incurring very heavy losses, his men scored key victories
This was the pattern throughout. Most of the victories were very costly, the defeats even more so.
Two decades after first inheriting the crown of Jerusalem, Niv’s division of Palestine was now complete.
At great cost, but what a tumultuous (and exciting to play, I’m sure) period.
Niv entered this war in his mid-30s - full of ambition and confidence and ended it aged 55, a shell shocked and broken figure with a Kingdom he has driven to the verge of ruin.
Well summed up.
were sitting at 90% and even 99% warscore for substantial stretches of time
:eek:
in game event to have our 'friend' join the war. That friend was the Grandmaster of the Order of Addai (whose holy order troops had been unavailable for a fight against fellow Christians)
A friend in need is a friend indeed.
And you were certainly right on the era defining conflict in Palestine - it was certainly a hell of a lot more than I was bargaining for when I launched my invasions!
You’re not wrong there! What a trial.
a new Jihad in 1321
Of course there was.:rolleyes:
the full weight of the Caliph’s power was brought down upon the Hammer at the battle of Avan in 1323. King Niv II, after four and a half decades on the throne – the large majority of which was spent at war, was slain in the field – dying every inch the warrior king.
56,000+ - holy moly (so to speak).
Isho’s solution to the intractable civil war was therefore a union between its two protagonists.
On the face of it, a smart manoeuvre in extremis.
Dreams of harmony and internal peace were short lived. Less than two years after their marriage, the Malikah had risen in revolt once again in 1328 – claiming that Isho had failed to consummate their marriage, reneging on their political and matrimonial vows.
Traitorous wench!
A wound he sustained to his leg during the fighting duly grew gangrenous, leading to a crude amputation from the court physicians in Nineveh.
Lucky as ever.
would take the opportunity to flowing poison him with mercury and sideline him
In game deed or dramatic (and logical) dramatisation of an incapacity?
Samiyah was indeed all real in game, I did manage to get her to marry Isho after her first rebellion - and she did indeed rebel within a couple years of marriage (with no children)!
As above.
 
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Distant Thunder – 1342-1369
Distant Thunder – 1342-1369

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Nechunya’s ascension to power in Assyria was both smooth and unsteady. For the best part of a decade he had been the leading force in the realm’s governance, with his father incapacitated. Yet, he was unpopular with much of the nobility, clergy and common folk alike. Many disapproved of his treatment of his father, others loudly whispered that he had a hand in hid death and physical deterioration while Nechunya was personally viewed as aloof and wedded to an opulent lifestyle in the comforts of Nineveh that contrasted with the spartan militarism of many of his predecessors. With a weak base of support, Nechunya sought to win favour by decentralising power in a manner not pursued by past Assyrian monarchs. Obligations of tax and feudal dues to the crown were reduced, authority was devolved to the provinces and a crude noble assembly was established in Nineveh called the Majlis that allowed the upper aristocracy an opportunity to review the administration of the realm.

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Through the 1340s and 1350s the Assyrian crown remained largely passive in foreign affairs, for the most part seeking to avoid major conflicts that would strain the stability of the Kingdom. This did not stop local lords from make their own bids at expansion. In the south, the Basrans successfully reconquered the Persian Gulf coast from the Shia by the end of 1340s – regaining the lands that had been lost two decades before. These gains formed the basis of naval expeditions to the island of Socotra, home to one of the oldest Nestorian communities in the world, that was wrestled from the control of the Yemeni Arabs. Meanwhile in the east, border lords further consolidated Assyrian control over much of the Zagros Mountain range, a valuable buffer between Persia and the Kingdom’s Mesopotamian heartland.

The most significant external conflict during this period was a brief war against the troubled Byzantines in 1352 that saw the ancient and holy city of Antioch, one of the seats of the ancient Roman Patriarchal Pentarchy, fall into Assyrian hands. Upon its captured Nechunya moved to claim the title King of Syria. While this had obvious geopolitical meaning – effectively laying claim to the remnants of Byzantine Syria – its primary immediate effect was a further legal division of the Assyrian realm. Since the Palestinian wars, Assyria’s formally Latin-ruled south western provinces had been legally distinct from the rest of the realm as the Kingdom of Philistia. Now, Nechunya had cleaved off the north western territories – including Damascus, Palmyra, Aleppo and Antioch – into the Kingdom of Syria. Much like Philistia, this region was culturally and religiously distinct from Assyria’s Mesopotamian core. Heavily Arabic, and by the fourteenth century home to a majority Christian population that mostly followed denomination of Greek Rite Churches.

Internationally, the geopolitical status quo in the Near East was in flux. Most importantly, a new wave of Crusades had significantly empowered the Latin presence in the eastern Mediterranean that had previously been badly weakened by the Palestinian Wars. Cyprus was cleaved from the Byzantines to form a small Catholic state, while more importantly to the Crusaders established the Kingdom of Egypt – a new centre for Latin power in the region. Meanwhile, to the north, a resurgent Mongol Empire conquered most of the Caucuses, pushing all the way to the Assyrian frontier, overwhelming Armenia. Crucially, the Mongols came into conflict with the Khazars in Azerbaijan, competing with them over grazing land and leading many to migrate southwards towards the relative safety of Persia.

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Assyrian expansionism into the fringes of the Iranian world in the staunchly Muslim lands of the Zagros Mountains had long grated agaisnt the Kurdish tribes that inhabited the region. Tensions would build further as the Church of the East began to take a close interest in the region – seeking to expand the frontiers of the faith with extensive missionary work throughout the high mountains. In 1358 one such missionary, Bishop Shlemon of Kirkuk, was captured by a group of tribesmen who crucified him, leaving his body displayed openly in a mountain pass as a warning against Christian encroachment. Pressured by the Church to respond with punitive action, Nechunya assembled a large army to pacify the Zagros region and bring its wild people to heel. To the bewilderment of the Assyrians, rather than force the local into submission, their aggression led to the tribes of the region unifying under the banner of Nadhim Farhadid. With a strong army behind him, Farhadid would lead a long campaign of resistance against the Assyrians that culminated in a climatic battle near the rich city of Isfahan in which the Assyrians suffered a catastrophic defeat, losing two thirds of their force while the Kurds emerged largely unscathed. By 1362, Farhadid was recognised as Sultan of a realm stretching across the mountain chain, and leaving behind a Cuman-dominated Assyrian exclave around Tabriz separated from the rest of the realm.

Although defeat to the Kurds for a painful blow for Assyria, a much greater threat was emerging further to the east that would soon make its power felt. Yet, while dark headwinds broiled beyond the frontier, Assyria and her increasingly frail King Nechunya continued to focus inwardly, seeking to manage their relationship with the neighbours without recourse to warfare. By Nechunya’s death in 1369, and the succession of his twenty three year old son Niv III, this peace was ready to break.
 
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Not sure this new king is a good man, betrayd by hs father or not, what he did surely must anger the righteous and the church.

Rightly predicted that Nechunya would be an unpopular monarch. He sought to compensate for that by giving up power to the elites and avoiding potentially destabilising foreign wards wherever possible. That saw him through to the end of his life - albeit with a loss of land in the east to the Kurdish rebels - but we will have to wait to see if this period of inaction has consequences for his successors.

Years in prison as Crown Prince, locked into a loveless marriage of expedience to paper over a delicate political situation, near-constant strife but at home and abroad... Isho's reign was certainly not a happy one. Losing Arabia back to the Muslims is an embarrassing seback, and while Asas was a success, it's no Jerusalem.

That loss of the Gulf ended up being fairly short lived in the grand scheme of things. That particular provinces seems to have been in an endless cycle of changing hands between Assyria and Muslim Arab forces. Losing our lands in the Zagros will have been quite a blow, given that we had been edging towards greater influence in Persia now that we had found some room to breath after so long focussing on the west.

I'm guessing since the Mongols never reached Persia, Timur doesn't exist? Or it can even show up in a way that fucks up the day?

The Mongols never reached Persia, but that doesn't mean Timur won't show up ;).

Mayhem! There is no other word to describe life in Nineveh. How many internal threats must be managed before Nechunya can take the show on the road? Is it known that he assisted his father's exit? Our brave chronicler, thank you and have a refreshing beverage.

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This was the pattern throughout. Most of the victories were very costly, the defeats even more so.

At great cost, but what a tumultuous (and exciting to play, I’m sure) period.

Well summed up.

:eek:

A friend in need is a friend indeed.

You’re not wrong there! What a trial.

Of course there was.:rolleyes:

56,000+ - holy moly (so to speak).

On the face of it, a smart manoeuvre in extremis.

Traitorous wench!

Lucky as ever.

In game deed or dramatic (and logical) dramatisation of an incapacity?

As above.

Yes, what we ended up gaining out of the long and bloody Palestinian Wars was pretty underwhelming. Niv II has an interesting long term legacy - he spent decades as war, held the country together when it looked like it might collapse and gained part of Palestine. But those achievements came at a heavy cost.

The 56k Jihadi army was pretty terrifying. The Kurdish rebellion in this most recent update actually began with 70k troops (rebellions being scaled to the size of your realm) - the army that crushed us at Isfahan was half of their starting force!

I found the Samiyah character very interesting. Its rare CK2 gives you a female character with such a rich storyline, so nice to see the game throw it up!

The long term poisoning story was a mix of in game and story combined. In game Isho was badly injured from the war with Byzantines and ended up losing his leg (thus Isho the Legless nickname). He was in bad health from then on, and ended up being murdered by poison to finish it all off.
 
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Will the Assyrian empire fall before Timur? Hopefully not, but I worry.
 
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The Shadow of the Iron Khan looms over the realm, Niv III has his work cut out for him, both within and beyond. Dark times ahead for the Assyrian people no doubt.
 
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Although defeat to the Kurds for a painful blow for Assyria, a much greater threat was emerging further to the east that would soon make its power felt.
Well, that looked close to an Extinction Level Event and may have been, had the threat (Timur?) from the east hinted at towards the end come straight on its heels. Presume a period of consolidation followed to allow numbers to rebuild.

Couple of questions: by this time, do the Assyrian emperors run a decent sized retinue? And has there been much of a building focus over the years, especially on military facilities, to help cope with these rebellious super-hordes that emerge?
 
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