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CK3: Tours and Tournaments - The Vision

Greetings!

Come one, come all! The grand tournament awaits your attendance - your steeds have been readied and your entourage assembled for the journey ahead! It’s time to show the world your graciousness as host and worth in the arena… but to get there, we’re better off routing our journey around the treacherous mountain passes of Stipon, as I hear they’ve been crawling with highwaymen since your, ahem, dalliance with Duke Andronikos’ wife during his son's wedding. Then there’s the matter of your unruly vassals: perhaps it’s time for a royal tour?

The life of a ruler was always active - there were many things to attend to, and most courts at the time were itinerant, roaming from place to place constantly. Tours and Tournaments aims to give rulers plenty of things to do, especially during times of peace, by introducing new systems of Travel and Grand Activities!

As mentioned in the Floorplan Dev Diary, we want to reinforce the connection between character and map - after all, the game is played on a beautiful medieval map, and no longer will the only time your ruler leaves the safety of their capital be when you’re at war. There’s an entire world out there to explore, filled with both great opportunities and adventurous obstacles.

By assembling an entourage, selecting options for your travel, and hiring a caravan master, you are ready to set out on the road and travel to activities across the world. The Travel system is an integral part of activities, with both the host and guests traveling to reach them - creating a stronger feeling of place as you see your route being plotted and your character moving directly on the map.
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[Image: The Duke of Bohemia setting out on a Tour]

So what are these activities you can travel to, you ask? There’s plenty - firstly we’ve updated and revamped Feasts, Hunts, and Pilgrimages completely - the bread-and-butter of activities. There’s now a reason to hunt in a specific forest within your domain, as a ferocious wolf or legendary stag might have been spotted there - or a reason to hold a feast in a holding with leisure palaces, as you might need to impress a particularly unruly vassal. Pilgrimages will now be epic journeys, potentially taking years if you’re going far - making it necessary for a regent to rule in your stead. All activities have dedicated interfaces with easily-accessible information and beautiful art to set the scene.

Of course, there are Grand activities that are even more impactful - each of them different in their own magnificent way! They have Options and Intents which affect rewards and what type of content you might encounter. Our aim is to make each activity have a clear purpose and be interesting in its own right, therefore we chose to make Grand Tournaments, Grand Tours, and Grand Weddings - three vastly different activities with vastly different executions and purposes!
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[Image: Example of Activity Types, initial step]

Grand Tournaments are where you go to test your mettle: spectacles to be announced far and wide, with rewards ranging from precious trinkets to fabulous prizes! Grand Tournaments aren’t only for martially-inclined characters - while there are contests such as melees and jousts, there are also more cerebral ones such as recitals or erudite board games. You can join your knights in slippery wrestling, eagle-eyed archery, dangerous horse racing, and vicious team melees - all clad in gleaming armor brandishing your coat of arms for the masses to see! Participating and winning in these contests will see your characters and knights grow in skill and receive prizes; living the life of a frequent tournament-goer is a valid path to take. Exploring the tournament Locale and choosing the right Intents might help you out in other ways as well, be it finding friends or dispatching rivals. If you’re in need of renown, hosting tournaments yourself will grow your standing significantly, as rulers from foreign realms come flocking to the fateful grounds, eager to compete!
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[Image: Snapshot of part of the Tournament UI. Tournaments, unlike other Grand Activities, have an extra special interface - more on that in the Tournaments Dev Diary]

Grand Tours see you assemble your entire court and set out to visit vassals in your realm - an activity commonly undertaken by medieval rulers. This is a way to assert your overlordship, while also enjoying the hospitality your vassals have to offer. There are various paths to take: Intimidation, Majesty, or Taxation, all affecting the rewards and opinions of your vassals. At its core, Tours are a tool for realm stability - and something a newly-ascended ruler should undertake quite early to avoid factions and revolts. You also get to choose between ways of approaching your vassals individually; you might want to tour the grounds, observe a cultural festival, or simply have a private dinner hosted for you.

Grand Weddings allow you to marry above your station… if you’re willing to pay the cost! They also provide ample opportunity for diplomatic shenanigans, such as impressing neighboring rulers into becoming vassals, forming hard-to-get alliances, or creating favorable matches for your children. Of course, these spectacles come with everything you’d expect out of a medieval ceremony - revelries, drama, and even a bedding ritual at the end. Or you can invite a group of mercenaries to color the halls crimson with the blood of the other House, should you desire it.
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[Image: Planning a Grand Wedding]

As some of you managed to cleverly figure out, there’s also a brand-new regency system where we’ve made sure that it’s both interesting to have and to be a regent. Loyal regents help you by dutifully fulfilling their Mandates, and being the regent of your liege gives you opportunities to (with varying degrees of bloodshed) seize the throne for yourself, should you be doing a “good” job.

There’s also a myriad of other changes which we’ll go into in future dev diaries - smaller systemic updates to buildings, knights, vassal opinions, and so on - all to support a more interesting and living map, where your choices matter more.

So take to the road, ruler - great opportunities await!

Tours and Tournaments will be released in late spring, and until the release we will have weekly Dev Diaries.

Don’t forget to wishlist:
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Watch the trailer here!
 
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I would say one of the easier things to update would be to create a bureaucratic imperial government.
My gut feeling is that epidemics are probably easier.

Also in their favour:

1. They're also a general-interest system. A robust Epidemics system enhances my gameplay experience even if I'm nowhere near China or Rome 2 Electric Boogaloo.

2. They are a good example of a system that can build on top of the newly introduced travel/location system.
 
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But, in the dev diary where the devs posted that floorplan, they said that nothing on it was going to be the focus of the next DLC.

The explicitly said "the next Expansion is leaning towards the roleplaying side of the game" in that dev diary.

I'm still not sure what the phrase "the floorplan defense" means.

What isn't to understand? There are a lot of people sick of the focus on roleplaying.

I had always understood that the floorplan dev diary set out the plans after the next DLC (i.e. ToTo) - they said in that same dev diary that the next DLC would not focus on stuff that had been done before in CK2, that it was RP-heavy and that it would focus on the connection between map and character…

I was surprised by the apparent backlash to Monday’s announcement as what was revealed seemed to fit entirely with what the devs have been telling us for five months now…I think they were pretty upfront about this early doors.
5 months of work on roleplaying is frustratingly consistent with the extremely slow development time the expansions to the game have had so far.
 
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What isn't to understand? There are a lot of people sick of the focus on roleplaying.
Would you be able to state what exactly the “floor plan defense” is?

That is, based on the name, it sounds like a reference to the legal concept, and if so, can you explain what 1) the allegation(s) is or are and 2) how does this “floorplan defense” limit or avoid responsibility for the supposed wrong doing(s)?

It feels like there appears to be a whole trial that happened, with a prosecution and defense phase, and an outcome, that you are referencing that we are supposed to know. What is the full argument?
 
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Would you be able to state what exactly the “floor plan defense” is?

That is, based on the name, it sounds like a reference to the legal concept, and if so, can you explain what 1) the allegation(s) is or are and 2) how does this “floorplan defense” limit or avoid responsibility for the supposed wrong doing(s)?

It feels like there appears to be a whole trial that happened, with a prosecution and defense phase, and an outcome, that you are referencing that we are supposed to know. What is the full argument?
Someone made a meme about how the devs made this whole floorplan about what they're going to be focusing on, and, lo and behold, we're getting something that is focused on more events. Why would you think its based on a legal defense?

I'm lost. Is it that you consider the flooplan to be misleading (is that the implication of the image in the comment you linked to?) given Monday's announcement?

I'd say the large number of people who found the meme amusing found it to be misleading.
 
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Someone made a meme about how the devs made this whole floorplan about what they're going to be focusing on, and, lo and behold, we're getting something that is focused on more events. Why would you think its based on a legal defense?
And how is this meme a “defense”? What is the argument?

I’m using the legal idea of a defense because, while IANAL, I have a vague idea of the shape of trials and the phrase “floorplan defense” sounds like the nickname of an affirmative legal defense of some kind.
 
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And how is this meme a “defense”? What is the argument?

I’m using the legal idea of a defense because, while IANAL, I have a vague idea of the shape of trials and the phrase “floorplan defense” sounds like the nickname of an affirmative legal defense of some kind.

If you're not a lawyer, then why approach this from a legalistic standpoint?

You were confused to the reference I was making, I linked to the post in question. That, itself, should have been explanation enough.

The meme itself is not the defense, it is a humorous demonstration of why the 'we told you this wouldn't be about trade/byzantines/china' isn't very satisfying. If you don't get the joke, well, then you just don't get the joke.
 
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If you're not a lawyer, then why approach this from a legalistic standpoint?

You were confused to the reference I was making, I linked to the post in question. That, itself, should have been explanation enough.

The meme itself is not the defense, it is a humorous demonstration of why the 'we told you this wouldn't be about trade/byzantines/china' isn't very satisfying. If you don't get the joke, well, then you just don't get the joke.
Because most people writing in English have a vague idea of what legal defenses are.

So the “floorplan defense” that was “skewered effectively” was… what? What was the defensive argument that was supposedly made by devs and proved wrong by the people you are reading?

Is the “floorplan defense” you cite supposed to be something like “DD109 stated clearly that the included image was about plans for AFTER this expansion, therefore players who thought it was about this expansion were mistaken”?
 
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Because most people writing in English have a vague idea of what legal defenses are.

So the “floorplan defense” that was “skewered effectively” was… what? What was the defensive argument that was supposedly made by devs and proved wrong by the people you are reading?

Is the “floorplan defense” you cite supposed to be something like “DD109 stated clearly that the included image was about plans for AFTER this expansion, therefore players who thought it was about this expansion were mistaken”?
Actual licensed attorney here. Literally no one said legal defense except you. Defense is a common, general word in English, and you're trying to twist it into a very narrow clearly non-applicable definition.

You defend in chess, you defend in sports, you defend in combat, you defend your arguments, the fact that you're getting so hung up on "legal defense" is really strange imo.

The issue people have is this. They released the floorplan, which was good. Some people (including myself) thought that the floorplan would include the next expansion. There is nothing in DD 109 that says otherwise. According to you, "DD109 stated clearly that the included image was about plans for AFTER this expansion." I just looked at DD 109. It says no such thing. If you can point me to the language that you think says that, feel free, but them saying that "the next Expansion is leaning towards the roleplaying side of the game" doesn't support that and doesn't preclude a RP expansion being part of the floorplan. The closest I see them get is "Just to reiterate; don’t take anything I say here as a statement that we’re doing one of these themes right now!" in reference to FLAVOR PACKS, not expansions.
 
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It means that all the stuff that was on their agenda is not being focused on, instead, just more and more events, and various ways to interact with and experience said events. At the end of the day, whatever screen you happen to be on when the event fires, its still just another event.
Expecting them to do everything on the floorplan immediately, particularly when in explaining the floorplan the devs outright stated that the plan is "over the coming years" and there are some things that are too involved and ambitious so they can't get to right away, is pretty nonsensical. Yes, they might not have gotten to your very specific pet thing that you've always dreamed of them adding as the first thing they do. Yes, that might be disappointing. But no, it does not mean they're throwing the floorplan out the window or that they're not still focusing on that addition as one to add down the line. It could just be, you know, that for what they want to do with that addition there's other more underlying mechanical things to add first that will make it easier to do what they want with it.
 
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Expecting them to do everything on the floorplan immediately, particularly when in explaining the floorplan the devs outright stated that the plan is "over the coming years" and there are some things that are too involved and ambitious so they can't get to right away, is pretty nonsensical. Yes, they might not have gotten to your very specific pet thing that you've always dreamed of them adding as the first thing they do. Yes, that might be disappointing. But no, it does not mean they're throwing the floorplan out the window or that they're not still focusing on that addition as one to add down the line. It could just be, you know, that for what they want to do with that addition there's other more underlying mechanical things to add first that will make it easier to do what they want with it.

Would you point to any place where I said or implied any of the following:
- That I expected the devs to do everything on the floorplan immediately?
- I had a specific pet thing that I dream of them adding?
- That they're throwing out the floor plan?

Because most people writing in English have a vague idea of what legal defenses are.

So the “floorplan defense” that was “skewered effectively” was… what? What was the defensive argument that was supposedly made by devs and proved wrong by the people you are reading?

Is the “floorplan defense” you cite supposed to be something like “DD109 stated clearly that the included image was about plans for AFTER this expansion, therefore players who thought it was about this expansion were mistaken”?

TripleAgent already pointed out the problems with your approach. If you don't get memes, then you don't get them. Its okay, everyone has a different sense of humor.
 
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Actual licensed attorney here. Literally no one said legal defense except you. Defense is a common, general word in English, and you're trying to twist it into a very narrow clearly non-applicable definition.

You defend in chess, you defend in sports, you defend in combat, you defend your arguments, the fact that you're getting so hung up on "legal defense" is really strange imo.
That’s that example I used because it sounded most similar to me and previous attempts to get clarification without a “do you mean like this?” didn’t help.

I’ve only heard the phrase “x Defence” used in legal contexts and sports, and if you think I know barely anything about the first wait until you find out how little I know about the second.:p
 
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Would you point to any place where I said or implied any of the following:
- That I expected the devs to do everything on the floorplan immediately?
- I had a specific pet thing that I dream of them adding?
- That they're throwing out the floor plan?



TripleAgent already pointed out the problems with your approach. If you don't get memes, then you don't get them. Its okay, everyone has a different sense of humor.
Well, your entire argument seems to be based around that the apparent "defense" (whatever you're trying to imply is being defended?) of the devs have a floorplan that they're following has been "skewered effectively" which implies that you think they're no longer following the floorplan. Which is, well, just wrong. And since the only single mechanic you seem to have brought up is the lack of imperial government and you frequently bring it up elsewhere as something the game lacks, I can only assume that that's the pet addition you're so clamoring for and whining that isn't there yet.
 
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I'd say the large number of people who found the meme amusing found it to be misleading.

But do you consider it misleading?

Given that we're still non the wiser about what you meant by "The floorplan defense has been skewered pretty effectively already" and are now kind of sidestepping direct questions about whether you consider the floorplan to be misleading - it feels like maybe you originally mistakenly believed that the floorplan was about this DLC, were angry about that (incorrect) "fact" and now, having realised your mistake, are trying to backtrack as bit without admitting you were wrong.

Apologies if that's not what happened. It's just that I'm struggling to see any other way in which your replies could makes sense.
 
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Well, your entire argument seems to be based around that the apparent "defense" (whatever you're trying to imply is being defended?) of the devs have a floorplan that they're following has been "skewered effectively" which implies that you think they're no longer following the floorplan. Which is, well, just wrong. And since the only single mechanic you seem to have brought up is the lack of imperial government and you frequently bring it up elsewhere as something the game lacks, I can only assume that that's the pet addition you're so clamoring for and whining that isn't there yet.

I said that an imperial government would likely be easier to implement than merchant republics. Is that proof that it is a 'pet issue?'

But do you consider it misleading?

Given that we're still non the wiser about what you meant by "The floorplan defense has been skewered pretty effectively already" and are now not answering whether you consider the floorplan misleading - it feels like maybe you were originally mistakenly were angry that the floorplan was misleading and now, having realised they it wasn't, are trying to backtrack as bit without admitting you were wrong.

Apologies if that's not what happened. It's just that I'm struggling to see any other way in which your replies could makes sense.

You've proven it wasn't misleading? News to me.

The fact that there's some people who are getting hung up on whether a given meme was convincing to them personally does not mean I was wrong.
 
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I said that an imperial government would likely be easier to implement than merchant republics. Is that proof that it is a 'pet issue?'
When you complain about it as much as you do, yes. That's not a bad thing. Everyone has their pet mechanic that they'd like to see added. But complaining that the devs are throwing out their long term plan for the game just because you don't get something immediately as the first DLC is really not helping your case.

You've proven it wasn't misleading? News to me.

The fact that there's some people who are getting hung up on whether a given meme was convincing to them personally does not mean I was wrong.
You're the one claiming it's misleading. You still haven't demonstrated why you think it's misleading. You also still haven't explained what you think has been "skewered effectively" in your words.
 
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But do you consider it misleading?

Given that we're still non the wiser about what you meant by "The floorplan defense has been skewered pretty effectively already" and are now kind of sidestepping direct questions about whether you consider the floorplan to be misleading - it feels like maybe you originally mistakenly believed that the floorplan was about this DLC, were angry about that (incorrect) "fact" and now, having realised your mistake, are trying to backtrack as bit without admitting you were wrong.

Apologies if that's not what happened. It's just that I'm struggling to see any other way in which your replies could makes sense.
Again can you please point to the language in the roadmap saying the floorplan didn't include the next DLC. I've looked, it doesn't say that from what I can tell.

If I can be so bold, I think the "floorplan defense" is that they released the floorplan after folks were unhappy with the pace of development and lack of communication. That helped to assuage a lot of folks that were upset because we knew we'd be getting substantive changes in the right direction. Then the next expansion is announced and it doesn't address any of the major issues listed in the floorplan that they said would be the direction of the game.

Again, I know you're going to say that "they said the floorplan wouldn't be applicable to the next expansion" or something similar, but again I think you're wrong and I don't think the text of DD 109 reflects what you're asserting it does.
 
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You've proven it wasn't misleading? News to me.

Oh cool. Maybe that's the issue here then - that you don't understand where your understanding has gone wrong.

Here's the timeline.

October 4th 2022: Devs post a dev diary that includes:
a) the floorplan image
b) a clear statement that nothing in the floorplan image will be in the next CK3 expansion

March 6th 2023: Devs announce next CK3 expansion - and it isn't anything in the floorplan

So, you see, Monday's announcement doesn't render the floorplan misleading - because it was made clear at the time that the contents of the floorplan wouldn't be included in the next expansion. The only way to believe that the floorplan was misleading, would be to be unaware of (b).
 
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