Re: Caillean. She tends to not say much early game, then later on start putting things together and really doing analysis. So her quietness is mostly par for the course.
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Re: me wanting an easy target in grimlock to go after. But I didn't go after him
I was just trying to make casual conversation, not a real accusation or anything I hardly think I can gain baddie points for making a tie when I myself was in it... As far as we know the candidate I added to the tie was better than the ones who eventually got lynched
Hear hear! This man speaks for the village. Though I will also say I am wary of consolidating too early.
I like this argument against Euro but I think he's far and away in the lead right now. On day 2 I would still rather not bandwagon an active player. Does anyone have alternative targets?
I feel really bad about this, but I am travelling to a wedding this weekend and thus don't have time to do analysis right now. So I'm going to have to placeholder vote and I won't be back before deadline probably.
Vote crn7000
Vote crn7000
It's in lites that ties day one should be avoided at all costs.
I'm big they can make sense.
Euro caused chaos and generates information.
He also realised that if one of Chill and Yvanoff died and was a goodie rhen dhe survivor would be run up today. So at that point making a tie makes sense.
Voting euro is a poor choice if the vote solely is because of rhe tie.
Not sure if j made that four way. I might have, but my votes had reason behind them. And there were no vote counts for a long time and I'm on phone.
Plus, I was online until the fake deadline and active, and called out when big tie was made.
I think rehashing day 1 is a bad idea. Its often that people look back and think a baddie must have escaped, if two goodies hang day 1. But usually that's not the case.
Most times it's bad to rehash day 1.
So I suggest we look at some new people.
Culann hasn't seen any pressure, iirc.
Vote culann
I cant quote it since i keep hitting the pam filter, but euro mentioned just before deadline that it seemed like people were happy to settle with the votes. Aren't people most likely to settle when the wolves are happy, meaning villagers are highest in the running? Of course this can't always be true because then every single vote switch would have to be put into question, but on the first day I imagine the wolves would take advantage of the lack of suspicion to move votes more if they're dangerous. As such, I think the two villagers being killed was the most likely of options in the tie that you helped make.
Also post 143 euro said "Euro has used a seerish or priestly scan on aedan. Euro has warned the village off voting for Aedan. You're just parroting what Euro already said. Find someone else's coattails to ride!"
I don't like the purposeful vagueness of what scan you used, since being vague makes it so that others can't fact check later whether your scan was accurate, because if someone else claims to have scanned him and gotten a baddie result, you can just claim to have used the other scan. In order to encourage you to say which scan was used;
Vote Euro
I don't like the purposeful vagueness of what scan you used, since being vague makes it so that others can't fact check later whether your scan was accurate, because if someone else claims to have scanned him and gotten a baddie result, you can just claim to have used the other scan. In order to encourage you to say which scan was used;
Vote Euro
Vote MAWofdoom
Euro is very much being Euro. I don't think that deserves four votes this early in the day.
Euro is very much being Euro. I don't think that deserves four votes this early in the day.
Unofficial Vote Count:
EUROO7: 4
CaptainGrimlock [290]
liefwarrior [293]
HistoryDude [294]
MAWofDoom [307]
Culann: 2
Yakman [284]
Wagonlitz [305]
Eternaly_Lost: 1
Culann [285]
Johho: 1
Marty99 [300]
Wagonlitz: 1
Randakar [302]
crn7000: 1
Ironhide G1 [304]
MAWofDoom: 1
Alxeu [308]
Not Voted: A bunch of people (including me, I know)
@johho888 [Culann 282 > no vote 297]
EUROO7: 4
CaptainGrimlock [290]
liefwarrior [293]
HistoryDude [294]
MAWofDoom [307]
Culann: 2
Yakman [284]
Wagonlitz [305]
Eternaly_Lost: 1
Culann [285]
Johho: 1
Marty99 [300]
Wagonlitz: 1
Randakar [302]
crn7000: 1
Ironhide G1 [304]
MAWofDoom: 1
Alxeu [308]
Not Voted: A bunch of people (including me, I know)
@johho888 [Culann 282 > no vote 297]
To be fair, you did expand the tie to five when there was confusion amongst the players about whether deadline was 12 minutes or 1 hours and 12 minutes away.
Although EURO did cause the tie yesterday, this run-up on him without another competing candidate looks suspicious.
VOTE CaptainGrimlock
Good job. You succeeded in voting out a brand new player on day 1 because he came in close to deadline. Amazing, really encouraging people to join Werewolf. Don't count on me coming back.
Vote Count:
EUROO7: 4
CaptainGrimlock [290]
liefwarrior [293]
HistoryDude [294]
MAWofDoom [307]
Culann: 2
Yakman [284]
Wagonlitz [305]
CaptainGrimlock: 1
Dedonus [310]
Eternaly_Lost: 1
Culann [285]
Johho: 1
Marty99 [300]
Wagonlitz: 1
Randakar [302]
crn7000: 1
Ironhide G1 [304]
MAWofDoom: 1
Alxeu [308]
Not Voted:
johho888 [Culann 282 > no vote 297]
aedan777
Arkasas
Caillean
crn7000
EUROO7
PanzerCorps
nepechri
the_hdk
EUROO7: 4
CaptainGrimlock [290]
liefwarrior [293]
HistoryDude [294]
MAWofDoom [307]
Culann: 2
Yakman [284]
Wagonlitz [305]
CaptainGrimlock: 1
Dedonus [310]
Eternaly_Lost: 1
Culann [285]
Johho: 1
Marty99 [300]
Wagonlitz: 1
Randakar [302]
crn7000: 1
Ironhide G1 [304]
MAWofDoom: 1
Alxeu [308]
Not Voted:
johho888 [Culann 282 > no vote 297]
aedan777
Arkasas
Caillean
crn7000
EUROO7
PanzerCorps
nepechri
the_hdk
Let me, on behalf of the village, personally apologize for Wombat's push against you. He got it wrong, and there's no other way to look at it. Does that make him evil or incompetent? I really can't say. All I can do is ask the question.
For chilldude, who was with us all too briefly, I
Vote Wombat
So I'm a little suspicious of the run up on Chill yesterday. He was run up in the first place for being a zombie, even though as a new player on day 1 that's very weak, but he ended up showing up to vote two hours before the first possible deadline, three before the actual one. Yakman even explicitly spoke in his defense. I don't think it was 100% clearing, even a new wolf might lie low to avoid attention, but I don't think it made sense to lynch him for it day 1.
More importantly than those first votes though, was Wombat's vote seven minutes before first possible deadline. He voted Chill then, hours after Chill had voted, because Chill hadn't responded to a request from Wombat for his thoughts on events so far. Which is just baffling all around. First, what insight do you expect a new player on day 1 to have, that's so important you'll threaten to lynch him for not giving input on it? Second, because of the deadline situation, did you think Chill was going to show up with an in depth analysis of the day in the seven minutes before the possible deadline? Or were you sure the deadline would be over an hour from then?
Pressuring a player to get more information out of them, in a vacuum, is a sensible move and often useful. Pressuring a new player, on day 1, potentially right before the deadline? That's a bad idea. One Wombat, even after a long absence from werewolf, should know better than.
Now, does this make Wombat a likely wolf. I'm not sure, but consider that at the time Wombat voted, there was a four way tie at three votes each between Chilldude, Dedonus, Panzer, and hdk. Potentially Wombat might have even thought it was a five way tie also including Yvanoff if he hadn't seen Dedonus' switch from Yvanoff to Lief just prior to his vote. With possibly only seven minutes to deadline, a wolf trying to push up one candidate from that close race to protect a packmate is very possible. This could be any of those at three votes, or even some at two or one, Lief in particular was getting rising attention and Wombat explicitly pushed back against the Lief push. Many possible suspects he could be protecting.
So overall I think Wombat is a likely suspect.
Vote Team Wombat
More importantly than those first votes though, was Wombat's vote seven minutes before first possible deadline. He voted Chill then, hours after Chill had voted, because Chill hadn't responded to a request from Wombat for his thoughts on events so far. Which is just baffling all around. First, what insight do you expect a new player on day 1 to have, that's so important you'll threaten to lynch him for not giving input on it? Second, because of the deadline situation, did you think Chill was going to show up with an in depth analysis of the day in the seven minutes before the possible deadline? Or were you sure the deadline would be over an hour from then?
Pressuring a player to get more information out of them, in a vacuum, is a sensible move and often useful. Pressuring a new player, on day 1, potentially right before the deadline? That's a bad idea. One Wombat, even after a long absence from werewolf, should know better than.
Now, does this make Wombat a likely wolf. I'm not sure, but consider that at the time Wombat voted, there was a four way tie at three votes each between Chilldude, Dedonus, Panzer, and hdk. Potentially Wombat might have even thought it was a five way tie also including Yvanoff if he hadn't seen Dedonus' switch from Yvanoff to Lief just prior to his vote. With possibly only seven minutes to deadline, a wolf trying to push up one candidate from that close race to protect a packmate is very possible. This could be any of those at three votes, or even some at two or one, Lief in particular was getting rising attention and Wombat explicitly pushed back against the Lief push. Many possible suspects he could be protecting.
So overall I think Wombat is a likely suspect.
Vote Team Wombat
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so the deadline isn't actually for another 6hrs and 40 minutes? Damn that's actually morning for me if I got up in time. my forum clock is still set to GMT
Thank you for your contribution
To kill werewolves, thank you for asking.
I really can't argue with that. I keep the village ahead of the game, and if you can't see that all I can say is you will.
While you can clearly see some semblance of logic in my actions, we must nevertheless discuss their negative consequences. Many reputations are made in defending oneself from silly cases brought over from day 1. I robbed a survivor of that chance in my zeal to keep the village competitive against the wolves in terms of death dealt.
Well, that's easy to say now, and I didn't help make the tie. The tie would not exist without me. I am solely responsible for it. The members of the tie, that is who was pushed and by whom, well that's another matter entirely worthy of analysis, if we can step beyond the easy case on me.
Priestly scan
Not sure exactly who this is a response to, but as ita just after my post I assume it's ab attack on me.
How did I help make the tie?
I wasn't even online fkr the last 50 minutes to deadline. And j had reasons for my votes, instead of just sacrificing to the tie gods.
As for runsups people seem happy about, then it's difficult. It really can be both. It can mean they're villagers, which is why I attempted to make a switch. But jt can also be that they're baddies and their mates realise they can't really do much, so they feign to be happy about the frontrunners jn the hope of a switch or similar.
Sorry to hear that you've got that bad an experience.
Lynching you was a mistake and shouldn't have happened. Games can be chaotic, though, and once somebody cements as a frontrunner it can be hard to change.
I hope you'll give the game another chance. Its not common to be day 1 lynched. And it can happen to anyone, and ita always gonna be some asinine reason for being run up, as there's never conclusive data on day 1.
Youre not in Northern Ireland anymore?
And its 5 hours and 40 minutes from when you posted jt, as Deo also pointed out
Agreed. I screwed up badly here, and owe you an apology for my part in voting you out.