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I've always lived in the US. I think you might be confusing me with someone else. :confused:
Seems I might have confused you with Dex, who's Finnish, and who once was in an all Finnish pack in a game I hosted, so the entire pack chat was in Finnish.

OOC: Are you thinking of Dexander Wagon?
You might be right.

oef....that was not a good day.

what roles shoudl we still have? I guess we are leaning towards 1 pack? or 2?
Seer is gone....but there should still be a priest right? he/she should have already a few hits...or is very unlucky. still I do not get the impression there is a JL.

do we have a any other roles out there that could be important? I hve been out of the game for too long.
Most likely 1 pack. And as such it's not impossible there's no priest.
 
Looking back then I think hdk stands out.
He was a late vote on Panzer, so when a wolf might try and get Yak out of contention ans he's had pretty non descript votes the following days.

Other than him then aedan still rubs me wrong.

And Deos being present, but not switching, seems suspicious still. Though, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the wedding excuse.
 
Thinking about it then given we're 12 players remaining and there would be 2 to 4 baddies remaining if one pack, depending on whether they got a curse or not, and if there's 2 packs then we're looking at 4 or 5 remaining baddies whether they hit a curse or not.

As such we're very close to parity and given there seems to not be a JL, then I think it might be worth it to publicly claim scans you know of.
I know of one. IG seerish scanned me and told me I came back as villager.
 
Thinking about it then given we're 12 players remaining and there would be 2 to 4 baddies remaining if one pack, depending on whether they got a curse or not, and if there's 2 packs then we're looking at 4 or 5 remaining baddies whether they hit a curse or not.

As such we're very close to parity and given there seems to not be a JL, then I think it might be worth it to publicly claim scans you know of.
I know of one. IG seerish scanned me and told me I came back as villager.
I can confirm this. I am a villager with used Seerish powers. I scanned DeathbyWombat (who Wagon took over for), and the result came back as villager.

And then I proceeded to have the worst voting record ever, I've not been doing well at all, much to my chagrin.
 
My reads are largely the same as they were yesterday (which looking at the results from yesterday probably isn't a good sign) except that ironhide is on the village list due to the scan claim, and hdk is now on the bad list. Hdk's posts just seem off, (though admittedly they seem off to me most games even when he's a villager) particularly his recent post asking what roles there are left since that seems like a strange thing for villagers to ask. For that in addition to the day 1 switching
vote the_hdk
 
As such we're very close to parity and given there seems to not be a JL, then I think it might be worth it to publicly claim scans you know of.
I know of one. IG seerish scanned me and told me I came back as villager.
Can @Ironhide G1 confirm this? Confirmed before I posted this. If we have a one-pack set up, a seerish scan is pretty easy to claim by wolves, as they already know who all the wolves are. Not saying IG is a wolf because of it (alxeu turned out to have a used seerish scan), but just something to keep in mind.

I also have knowledge of a scan. Let's first look at the rules before I mention the type of scan and who was scanned.

Future Founding Father (Sorcerer): Works with the Werewolves, and wins if the Werewolves win. May scan one person each night to see if she is a Seer, a Priest, Werewolf, or a Cultist (100% success). Any other role will appear as a regular Villager to the Sorcerer. Will not start in contact with wolves but will count towards parity.
I would like to draw your attention to the emboldened words. Normally, the sorcerer can only scan the important goodies and cultists. But in this peculiar ruleset, the sorcerer can also scan werewolves, too.

By now, you probably can already tell what scan I know about and you can probably already guess who got scanned.

On Day 1, Panzer sent me a PM to me, named "You are not a cultist." In his initial PM, he claimed to be the priest and that he scanned me and I turned up as a villager.

PanzerCorps said:
Hello! I have priest scanned you as a villager. I toyed with the idea of telling you I was a measely villager myself with a one-time use priest scan which was now spent and we should work together yada yada... But oh what the hell, I die within the first 3 days of 90% of werewolf games lately anyway. That said I will be informing one random other person that you should be a bit suspicious if I get hunted.

Anyway, I scanned you because I thought you might help tell me what to do. As you know I am a much more comfortable baddie than goodie player... Manipulation is just so much easier than analysis :D I was thinking of scanning Alxeu tonight. I really just want to build an active JL of sorts so that we can talk and discuss ideas, I think the insight gained from that might be worth the risk of reaching out to scannees early. What do you think?
Dedonus said:
Hello, Panzer! Indeed, I am not a cultist, nor am I a wolf! I'm a villager.

Alxeu sounds like a fine candidate for a Day 1 scan. In the future, we might want to limit how many people we tell that you priest scanned them, for your own safety, until we find the seer and can double clear people.
Dedonus said:
If you're still in the lead or tied for the lead with an hour or so left, I'll try to make a case that "Inactive Panzer" is often "Villager Panzer." Like last game.
PanzerCorps said:
Thank you
Although last game I did kind of get killed just as I was starting to get active. I blame Euro.
PanzerCorps said:
Somehow I find aedan's in-thread posts suspicious. Might scan him instead of alxeu tonight
Dedonus said:
Sorry. I stepped away for a moment to get dinner and when I got back, they switched to you. :(
Dedonus said:
I guess it was a good thing I didn't stick my neck out for you. lol

I am guessing Panzer didn't realize the slightly different sorcerer rules (especially from the title of the thread). If I were a wolf or cultist, I would imagine that Panzer would have sent a completely different message to me. Ironically, by trying to manipulate me into thinking he's the priest (he even said "Manipulation is just so much easier than analysis", lol), he cleared me in the same way as a seer AND priest scan.

These PM's also explain my actions on Day 1. On that day, I was under the impression that Panzer could be the priest and I was fine with killing Yakman over him. But while I wasn't paying attention, a few vote were moved around and Panzer was now in a tie. In hindsight, this was a great thing because the sorcerer was dead and I'm still alive knowing he scanned me (assuming I can trust him, which is a big reach, I know).

Also, assuming he wasn't lying about scanning me (only about the type of scan), this confirms that he never got in contact with them, as the rules state that the sorcerer does not start in contact with them. I'm still of the mind that this is a one-pack game, as we haven't seen any evidence of it being otherwise.
 
If we have a one-pack set up, a seerish scan is pretty easy to claim by wolves
I'm extremely aware.
I do think that laying out all scans we know of is a good idea, though, as it cam help analysis and avoid knowledge dying with scans.
I almost suggested it immediately after subbing in, but decided it was too early for people not to see it as a wolf trying to have info revealed.

Also, extremely interesting with sorc scanning for wolf.
That in my mind confirms that there's no cultists and hence also no priest. I don't see there being a priest solely to scan a single sorc.

And it also makes it likelier that this is a single pack game.

My guess is that the sorc scans wolves too was added to the rules around when signups closed, as it was realised there weren't enough players to really have cultists too.
 
Also, your PMs seem like how Panzer would write. And it seems unlikely you'd have made false PMs with him on day 1, if you even were in touch with him, so I think you're likely to be a villager based on this
 
No scan from my side to share I’m afraid. Cannot promise much activity either today due to constraints.

Given what has been shared, dedonus looks good, though he could have faked it. Wagon not being a wolf doesn’t mean he’s good, but definitely not a priority as wolves are more important, unless he and Iron are in cahoots. I’d hold that as unlikely though.

Wouldn’t mind running up aedan and Caillean today, the remaining two from my analysis yesterday. Aedan should already have a vote so I’ll

vote Caillean
 
No scan from my side to share I’m afraid. Cannot promise much activity either today due to constraints.

Given what has been shared, dedonus looks good, though he could have faked it. Wagon not being a wolf doesn’t mean he’s good, but definitely not a priority as wolves are more important, unless he and Iron are in cahoots. I’d hold that as unlikely though.

Wouldn’t mind running up aedan and Caillean today, the remaining two from my analysis yesterday. Aedan should already have a vote so I’ll

vote Caillean
I'm not sure aedan has a vote.

Also, what's the case on Caillean?
 
vote Aedan

Aedan has essentially only cast throwaway votes for the entire game, except for Day 2.

Day 1: Switched off of Capage (who a frontrunner early on Day 1) and voted for Caillean (only person to vote for her that day)
Day 2: Voted EURO.
Day 3: Voted Capage (again), only person to vote for them that day.
Day 4: Voted for me

I'm also voting Aedan on vibe, as something has felt off about him this game. After reading some of his posts again, while I don't think he explicitly defended Yakman on Day 1, he does say despite not liking Yakman's "shenanigans," you shouldn't vote for someone you think is a villager.
I'm no fan of Yak's shenanigans, though I don't think it's a great move to say day 1 you're aiming to lynch someone you think is a likely villager.
Then on Day 2, the gist of his argument against EURO is that EURO often gets away with his chaotic play style and tried to argue that EURO was trying to save Yakman.
I was not protecting yakman, I was looking askance on Wagon saying he wanted to lynch someone he called a likely villager. Nor was I only one-

Here Happycats also took issue with Wagonlitz's approach. And we know that Happycats was the seer.

Obviously this doesn't clear me or anything, but it doesn't follow that I look bad for pushing back on Wagonlitz's logic. He thought he was voting to lynch a villager, it was purely by accident that he actually got a wolf. My objection was not the vote on Yakman itself, but the reasoning behind it. I questioned no one else who voted Yakman, nor did I make any effort to push another candidate over Yakman.

Now as for who actually looks suspicious from yesterday, we're probably (though not certainly) dealing with one pack. Yakman was a major candidate most of the day, though never a runaway. Close to the end of the day he was in the lead and there was no real movement, until Euro said he wasn't fine with Yakman being lynched and tried to get a switch on Wagon going. It didn't work, but he tried. If we're going to vote anyone for protecting Yakman, it would be Euro.

Now of course we have the classic Euro defense, he always plays reckless, makes bold plays. This goes both ways though. If he was a baddie who knew Wagon had survived a no hunt, perhaps he thought Wagon was an important role and that it would be funny to have the village lynch him day 1.

And Euro often gets a pass, at least temporarily, for counter productive actions. Just last game I was reluctant to view Euro as a baddie even though he was suspicious, but he was. This game he openly tried to save someone we know was a wolf by lynching someone we know was a villager. If it was anyone else he'd be the number one target today.

Vote EUROO7
While these two cases are not quite the same (and I am sure Aedan will say so in a counterargument), something just feels off about it.
 
Thinking about it then given we're 12 players remaining and there would be 2 to 4 baddies remaining if one pack, depending on whether they got a curse or not, and if there's 2 packs then we're looking at 4 or 5 remaining baddies whether they hit a curse or not.

As such we're very close to parity and given there seems to not be a JL, then I think it might be worth it to publicly claim scans you know of.
I know of one. IG seerish scanned me and told me I came back as villager.
I used a priestly scan on Jacksonian night 2.
vote Aedan

Aedan has essentially only cast throwaway votes for the entire game, except for Day 2.

Day 1: Switched off of Capage (who a frontrunner early on Day 1) and voted for Caillean (only person to vote for her that day)
Day 2: Voted EURO.
Day 3: Voted Capage (again), only person to vote for them that day.
Day 4: Voted for me

I'm also voting Aedan on vibe, as something has felt off about him this game. After reading some of his posts again, while I don't think he explicitly defended Yakman on Day 1, he does say despite not liking Yakman's "shenanigans," you shouldn't vote for someone you think is a villager.

Then on Day 2, the gist of his argument against EURO is that EURO often gets away with his chaotic play style and tried to argue that EURO was trying to save Yakman.

While these two cases are not quite the same (and I am sure Aedan will say so in a counterargument), something just feels off about it.
I didn't make throwaways day 3 and 4, I made cases on candidates I was suspicious of fairly early in the day, I just didn't get many to follow my cases. Day 3 I might have changed if I was on remotely close to deadline, but I wasn't.

As for the Yakman thing, again, there's a big difference between me saying that Wagonlitz 1.0 was making a weird point to say he was voting for someone who he thought was a villager, and Euro coming out close to deadline to say that he wasn't fine with Yakman getting lynched and trying to start a switch to Wagonlitz. Also again, I wasn't the only one who questioned Wagonlitz's reasoning there, so did Happycats, who we know was the seer.

The entire argument there is totally obfuscated by Yakman being a wolf and people letting that cloud their reading. I didn't defend Yakman, I made no response to anyone else voting him, my vote as you point out was not helping him. I was purely pressing Wagon on the reason for his vote. Frankly if Yakman hadn't been lynched day 1 (and Wagon not hunted the same night), I think a very reasonable case could have been made against Wagonlitz for trying to lynch someone he thought was probably a villager. Certainly if today I voted someone and called them a likely villager I'd be strung up in a complete bandwagon, and deservedly so.

But because Yakman was a wolf, people keep twisting what I said into a defense of a wolf for some reason.

Anyways, I'm still suspicious of you, but you lynched the only person who agreed with me yesterday (who was a villager of course), so I need to find someone else that might actually be lynched today.

Sleepyhead's voting Caillean, and she has a pretty bad voting record, voting a confirmed villager every day except day 3, where she voted Witch Agatha, who is probably a villager for being in the switch to Historydude. I've not really felt like Caillean's contributed much in terms of analysis, mainly lain low and gone with the flow too.

HDK's also got a vote. He's gotten some credit for making the tie day 1 even though he was on the sorc, not Yakman. But on the other hand during day 1 he did at one point break a three way by pushing up Yakman. On the other other hand he didn't stay on Yakman, and votes that don't stick are worth much less than ones that do. He's also felt a little suspicious in his posting,, but I find that very common when I play with him, and after I was wrong on Euro I don't particularly want to go back to that tree quite yet.

Still more suspicious of Dedonus, but couldn't get him lynched yesterday and no one else seems suspicious of him, so Caillean's a decent second choice.

Vote Caillean
 
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What was the result?
Of my scan on the now dead villager? Definitely a cultist.
Why not change day 4 then?
There was at least some pressure from Grimlock on Dedonus, and the main candidates otherwise were the only person agreeing with me, and someone I knew at least wasn't a cultist.
Do you think the PMs are fake?
Well if we believe it to be true then that means what I pointed out yesterday, Dedonus pointedly being online day 1 but not making any vote switch or input on candidates, was undertaken while a person he, by his own claims today, thought could be the priest, was run up in a dangerous way and could be lynched. The PMs are plausible, but the overall story they paint is not one that makes me believe Dedonus is a villager. Maybe the PMs are fake, or maybe they aren't but Panzer lied about scanning Dedonus. The latter would mesh well with Dedonus letting someone he thought could be the priest get lynched day 1.
 
Well if we believe it to be true then that means what I pointed out yesterday, Dedonus pointedly being online day 1 but not making any vote switch or input on candidates, was undertaken while a person he, by his own claims today, thought could be the priest, was run up in a dangerous way and could be lynched. The PMs are plausible, but the overall story they paint is not one that makes me believe Dedonus is a villager. Maybe the PMs are fake, or maybe they aren't but Panzer lied about scanning Dedonus. The latter would mesh well with Dedonus letting someone he thought could be the priest get lynched day 1.
He was attending a wedding though.
But otherwise good points.
 
Vote Aedan

Nothing really changed in my feelings about him yesterday. And the whole giving good analysers the benefit of the doubt thing - that time feels kind of past.