Oh hey, "Agriculture" Dev Diary. It was fun ~~too bad it really wasn't about agriculture~~.
It’s a shame if anyone disliked the Dev Diary on modelling Canterbury Cathedral - I thought that was excellent and educational and gave me a new-found respect for the research undertaken by the team.
Basically, the forum is "full of" (not actually full of, they're just noisy) people who will never be satisfied with a DD unless it says "we are implementing (the feature that user wants) (exactly the way that user wants it).
iirc, that dev diary was during a period of prolonged radio silence where everyone was frustrated on trying to find out where the game direction was heading.
Orrrrr people are not satisfied by fluff filler while the game is still lacking in the mechanical department
No plans but it's in the vast, untamed wilds of my backlog of content ideas.
No reason it couldn't apply to two empires.First: ^^ thankee for the kind words!
Apologies that I can't give you a more optimistic answer.For what it's worth: it's little moments of compassion like this that make the bad days anything like bearable, and this thread has been full of them. It's really, truly appreciated.
I'm sorry to hear you've not enjoyed what's been made so far.
I hope we'll get back some measure of trust next release, but I do appreciate that it's been a frustrating couple of years for many.Aww, thank you. Honestly, I think these days we try to focus a bit more on stuff that's more visible to the player: attention to detail is great but if it comes at significant cost for a reward most won't notice, it's just not giving people good value.
Ooph, landless? That would be a lot of technical work for even the basics, honestly.
The tragic thing is, I think you're utterly correct.
Very much this, though with the qualifier that things've been getting a lot better on that front for the last year or so for a whole host of factors.
This is true, it did come after a prolonged period of little communication from us — the last big thing we'd said (IIRC) was that we wouldn't be saying much until we had something important to say.
Case in point: we have people in this thread who've said they'd prefer to have filler DDs, we've had people who've said they'd not mind WIP DDs, and (if I may assume a little here) here we've got someone saying that really all they want is something talking about solid mechanical improvements.
You have met me before, right? I'm awful at speaking to other people, I just do a good job of hiding that online.
Personally, I think it speaks to a need for different diary formats. Before I started at Paradox, I greatly enjoyed the behind-the-scenes type DDs, and I know quite a few others did as well; it could probably be better served by a different communication format than a Proper DD.
Perhaps, there should be a monetary requirement for access to behind-the-scenes DDs. After all, people usually value more what they have paid for instead of free content.
If you arent being sarcastic I would despise that so much...
Do you have any specific region in mind or just a general idea that this system would work good with other places as well?No plans but it's in the vast, untamed wilds of my backlog of content ideas.
While I’m not one of those that’s been pushing for landless play, I don’t read this as a denial that it’s coming with Chapter 3 as some are saying…this is just an admission that it will have required a lot of work to implement!
No plans but it's in the vast, untamed wilds of my backlog of content ideas.
First: ^^ thankee for the kind words!
Otherwise, yeah, I quickly reread the post of mine Flockingbird linked and I think I'd stand by it. As far as I know, our policy remains that we'll post dev diaries when we have a DLC coming up or something else interesting to say (like the yearly reviews). Fillers/teasers/non-development stuff has just caused headaches, so they're likely to be sparsely posted if at all. I wish they didn't, but they do, and the light grumbling of infrequent-yet-meaty DDs easily beats the flame wars and conspiratorialising that have resulted from segmented or filler DDs.
At the end of the day, if writing certain DDs isn't helping development and only seems to aggravate parts of the fanbase, then the simplest solution is to just not write those DDs.
Edit: speedy reminder that I don't control the DD schedule/policy here, so please take my opinions with a grain of salt.
For what it's worth: it's little moments of compassion like this that make the bad days anything like bearable, and this thread has been full of them. It's really, truly appreciated.
I'm sorry to hear you've not enjoyed what's been made so far.
Aww, thank you. Honestly, I think these days we try to focus a bit more on stuff that's more visible to the player: attention to detail is great but if it comes at significant cost for a reward most won't notice, it's just not giving people good value.
Not to say that we don't try to be accurate or work with historical detail, but it's gotta be tempered by how much time you spend on it.
... which I say politely ignoring the vizier extravagance modifier script from late last year. Made in collaboration with a very diligent researcher and we uhhh, got slightly carried away with it.
Ooph, landless? That would be a lot of technical work for even the basics, honestly.
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... s2g, some day there will be Agrarian Research Techniques Part 2. I don't know what for, but sheer spite compels me to do it again for something.
The tragic thing is, I think you're utterly correct.
This wasn't an issue pre-release/immediately after release. We knackered our early communication strategy hard and now we've gotten ourselves stuck in a toxic loop that sucks for everyone, where the best solution so far has been to just abstain for long periods of time. It is what it is, I guess.
Maybe we'll break it some day, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
Very much this, though with the qualifier that things've been getting a lot better on that front for the last year or so for a whole host of factors.
This is true, it did come after a prolonged period of little communication from us — the last big thing we'd said (IIRC) was that we wouldn't be saying much until we had something important to say.
There's an argument to be made that maybe we should've stuck more rigorously to that, not launched a teaser two weeks before an announcement, but then... we get a lot of requests to post more teasers, more WIP stuff, more just discussion of what we're working on, so we figured we'd chance it somewhere safe after we'd fairly recently telegraphed that a DD would mean more DDs and something imminently announcing.
It didn't go well, c'est la vie, but if a teaser bombs because it didn't come ahead of a larger announcement then the key learning there is that that type of teaser isn't really worth while, let alone something that has nothing on the heels for months yet.
Honestly, folks these days seem like they're having a lot more fun with the cryptic hints that Community puts out than anything dreamt up by Design. Which, tbh, makes sense: we're awkward nerds who generally don't do great at public speaking, they're awkward nerds who do.
Case in point: we have people in this thread who've said they'd prefer to have filler DDs, we've had people who've said they'd not mind WIP DDs, and (if I may assume a little here) here we've got someone saying that really all they want is something talking about solid mechanical improvements.
All valid views, all valid wants, and I'm by no means suggesting that any of y'all posting atm are being anything less than lovely. Just, we extrapolate this out to a larger community, you add a few bad apples that spoil the discussion or hyberbolise thinks out of context for Reddit, and you see how we end up in a scenario where the only winning move is not to play.
. . . I really want to roleplay a merc leader one day, or maybe a member of a holy order etc... It could be fun. Also the idea of starting as a soldier or minor person and working your way up is pretty enticing to me. Rise to power CK2 mod was pretty awesome.
Much falls on opportunity cost for me. I try to hang about, but finding something I feel I can contribute in a meaningful way and not just shitpost is difficult in between my "it's compiling" timeBeen a longtime paradox fan and it seems like the "old crew" engaged much more on the forums, but maybe I'm just thinking back to the old days
I think you should actually implement some kind of agrarian advancement technology system into the game. Then you can come out with Agrarian Research Techniques Part 2 and play it completely straight against all expectations.
A few years ago there was a special 4-part detailed look behind the scenes of CK3 development, complete with IDE and Jira screenshots. They weren't actual DDs because they were incredibly technical (and so your random steam user likely wouldn't care), but they were neat and informative. You could try running another mini-series of those at some point.
