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William9113

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You guys think this game will make it to 10 years? (June 6, 2026) Considering Europa Universallis V is on the horizon, I wonder if HOI5 Will be next.

Realistically they gotta touch up Germany and Japan, and you know full well there's gonna be DLC for middle east, gran Colombia area, and SEA, then the game's pretty much complete, just needs polish

Thoughts?
 
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You guys think this game will make it to 10 years? (June 6, 2026) Considering Europa Universallis V is on the horizon, I wonder if HOI5 Will be next.

There is still milk to be milked from the current cash cow.

Realistically they gotta touch up Germany and Japan, middle east, gran Colombia area, and SEA, then the game's pretty much complete, just needs polish

Thoughts?
The big issue with HOI games is the economy and how to model it. They tried getting away from the classic HOI "generic factory" model, towards a specialized factory one, which is better, but still insufficient progress.

I would argue they will first flesh out economic models in Victoria 3 and then come up with a generalized government-focused offspring of it for HOI5.

To do that, they need Victoria 3 in a basic playable state, otherwise they risk repeating Imperator: Rome's "Success" where they built a bland map-painter.

The big thing that contradicts me: multiplayer. If there's one reason to have a new HOI game, it's that it allows to justify a new MP mechanism to be built.
 
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im see no reason for a HOI5 unless theres a new engine with improved performance(so a room for more stuff), otherwise everything can be done in hoi4. what a new tech they will utilize a new DX version? anything? if theres none, its like just a reskin for hoi4.
 
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There's a million posts about this already why make a brand new one?
If you wanna talk about it go look up the old ones... last post was probably a week ago
 
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There's a million posts about this already why make a brand new one?
If you wanna talk about it go look up the old ones... last post was probably a week ago
None commented on within the last week

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There is no need for HoI5 right now. HoI4 is still an up-to-date WW2 grand strategy game that is up there in terms of quality. Most of the stuff can still be done and improved in HoI4, if we're to create HoI5, that means we need something completely now that HoI4 will not be able to support, but right now there are none of such issues with the current game.
 
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There is no need for HoI5 right now. HoI4 is still an up-to-date WW2 grand strategy game that is up there in terms of quality. Most of the stuff can still be done and improved in HoI4, if we're to create HoI5, that means we need something completely now that HoI4 will not be able to support, but right now there are none of such issues with the current game.
The game is very good in its present form. I'm having a blast. Still, I believe the devs have reached a point where further dlcs will either replace previous dlc content, or simply add more focus trees for countries only a minority cares about.

A new game would be fresh. Personally I would be very excited for a reworked interface. For instance, I've never liked how naval forces are displayed, how to organize different battle zones, and I still find it hard to at a glance find my fleets and keep track of naval battles.
 
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One thing to consider is that PDS now seems to allow ~3 years for a major new GSG. That means starting developing for release in 2027, which gives HoI4 over a decade. I think that's reasonable.

But I wouldn't want to see HoI5 in the near future for four reasons, moving from the more personal to the general.

Firstly, PDX have said that they are dropping support for Linux in future games. That puts me off buying HoI5 at all.

Secondly, I have a nasty feeling that HoI5 would move to 3D character portraits, as CK3 and V3 have done. Personally that's annoying because I built my current PC to meet the CK3/V3 minimum graphical requirements, and I would resent having to buy another GPU to play a GSG which doesn't really need top-of-the-line graphics. And that seems like a strategic mistake to me, since every penny or cent that I spend on GPUs is not being spend on PDX DLC or subscriptions (my gaming budget is pretty limited).

But aside from personal gripes, I also think that 3D portraits are a significant impediment to modding. Modders like those who make EPE for CK3 do amazing work, but 3D modding is always going to be a niche activity. For one thing, the PDS-recommended workflow uses Maya; in my country a Maya subscription costs 10% of the monthly median wage, so it turns character modding into a hobby for the rich. And 3D modelling is hard work (I have learned enough to make 3D models for Simutrans and it's one of the hardest things I've ever done, even compared to e.g. learning Mandarin). This is not a huge problem for CK3, because we don't know what a lot of the historical characters looked like anyway. V3 does have some mods adding historical characters, but the biggest (ECCHI) hasn't been updated since 2022. Historical characters are much more important in HoI4 (I would guess that the generic portraits are only used by players in a minority of playthroughs). With 2D portraits, modders often just use a photo rather than drawing an portrait, and there are now LoRAs (AI models) that allow you to re-create photos in the HoI4 portrait style. They're not perfect, but they're getting better fast. If HoI5 uses 3D character models, then I think a lot of modders will be put off trying to include historical characters in their mods.

Thirdly, there are still several parts of the world that were very important theatres in the Second World War but don't have official content. The ones that particularly stand out to me are the Middle East and South East Asia. And I think that each of those areas could easily justify two DLC. Assuming 3-5 tags (or groups of tags) per patch cycle, the former could be split into the Near East (Egypt—Levant—Maghreb) vs the Middle East (Afghanistan—Iraq—Iran), while the latter cannot be properly handled without distinguishing maritime South East (Dutch East Indies—Malaya & Borneo—Philippines) from continental South East Asia (Burma—Indochina—Thailand).

Fourthly, the game still has many long-standing bugs that have not been fixed, particularly in naval warfare. There are too many National Focuses, Spirits, Advisors, and Doctrines that promise that have an effect on combat but actually do nothing. Having paid for a working product, I really want to see this fixed. I was impressed by the way that Arheo got the bug count down to a really low level in the final patch of Imperator:Rome, and I hope he is aiming to do the same again, even though HoI4 is now a considerably more complex codebase.
 
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You guys think this game will make it to 10 years? (June 6, 2026) Considering Europa Universallis V is on the horizon, I wonder if HOI5 Will be next.

Realistically they gotta touch up Germany and Japan, and you know full well there's gonna be DLC for middle east, gran Colombia area, and SEA, then the game's pretty much complete, just needs polish

Thoughts?
Every time someone makes one of these threads we push back the sunset date for HoI 4 by 6 months ;)
 
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For me there’s a dilemma with HoI4 and Vic3/EU4; I want more peacetime nation building but with HoI4‘s warfare system. That’s something that’s probably never gonna happen though as such a game would massively cannibalise other in-house titles. So I’m fine with HoI4 and new content for example to the Middle East, Africa, and Germany.
 
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You guys think this game will make it to 10 years? (June 6, 2026) Considering Europa Universallis V is on the horizon, I wonder if HOI5 Will be next.

Realistically they gotta touch up Germany and Japan, and you know full well there's gonna be DLC for middle east, gran Colombia area, and SEA, then the game's pretty much complete, just needs polish

Thoughts?
Do not forget USA, UK reworks too. Most important nations of WW2 along with Germany and Japan needs more love also. In their current state they feels so... old. Compared to a work of art SU tree and nice Italy tree.
 
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Heck no I don't want a HOI5 right now.

I mean especially in light of the Italy and Russian new trees it makes the other majors (minus France since they have so many weird off shoots anyways) feel underpowered and bereft of content.

Also tired of shovelware DLCs, Scandinavia needed another DLC like we need another left wing special interest group stirring the pot and demanding everyone overrepresent them in media. The South American DLC was meh, only really cared about Argentina and Brazil since they're the only ones who kinda did anything.

What next a South east asia DLC? What if they all de-colonized themselves but didn't want to team up with Japan and yet magically our good guy democracies all were fine with this or even more PDX, what if say American Samoa went full communist? Give them a massive tree and 7 tech slots alongside lots of game breaking buffs and no maluses.

Oh I got it ya know what they haven't done: the Middle East and the creation of Israel. Massive tree for the UAE and say the ability to get a red heifer and rebuild the third temple for Israel alongside being able to randomly puppet all western democracies off bat. Something to just make UK, US, Germany, and Japan feel hackneyed and old despite them being the mains.
 
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Omits USSR when listing mains. Patton avatar checks out.
I know this is probably just banter and a joke, but to be a party pooper, it is likely because the Soviet Union just had an update recently.

And on another note, i would have added France to that list as well, since their focus tree is the most boring one from all the "new" ´major focus trees. Especially the alt-history parts.
 
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I know this is probably just banter and a joke, but to be a party pooper, it is likely because the Soviet Union just had an update recently.

And on another note, i would have added France to that list as well, since their focus tree is the most boring one from all the "new" ´major focus trees. Especially the alt-history parts.
It was a joke: in the 1970 movie "Patton", General Title Character got in trouble for saying (at an event in the UK) that "it is the evident destiny of Britain and the United Sates to rule the world", omitting the Soviets. (At around the 1h55 mark if you have a copy of the movie handy.)
 
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You guys think this game will make it to 10 years? (June 6, 2026) Considering Europa Universallis V is on the horizon, I wonder if HOI5 Will be next.

Realistically they gotta touch up Germany and Japan, and you know full well there's gonna be DLC for middle east, gran Colombia area, and SEA, then the game's pretty much complete, just needs polish

Thoughts?
Huh. How does one disagree with asking a question