Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #119 - Smörgåsbord of Changes in 1.7

[Revolution 11]

Double should be enough. What needs to be modified is the revolt mechanic. It’s easy to avoid one and it takes a while for one to kick off unless you are unlucky. Production output and infrastructure should start to decrease with ongoing revolts as a way to simulate mas demonstrations and rioting.

I can be happy with this. Turmoil needs to be more complex in general and needs more exposure to the player for remedy, so hopefully they address this when they do the nationalism/cultural discrimination rework

Discriminated pops can't economically migrate to states other than their homelands, so if you want make sure colonial pops aren't migrating to the imperial core, you'll need to discriminate against them.

How does this work with historical cases of internal migration where Pops were discriminated? African-American pops come to mind unless I am missing some effect of the Civil War that allows for internal migration (can't remember).

Are there non-economical forms of internal migration?

 

[Stein14]

If I understand correctly, that means that Chinese people will still not be able to immigrate to the Lanfang Republic, right? This is indeed something I dislike as it continues to cut the Lanfang Republic off from its historically important source of Chinese people.

 

[Muckknuckle]

Good looking changes! I just hope that this update will work for multiplayer without desync issues

 

[Metz]

Discriminated pops can't economically migrate to states other than their homelands, so if you want make sure colonial pops aren't migrating to the imperial core, you'll need to discriminate against them.

For the migration law group, you could add expulsion which makes those of of non-accepted cultures leave. This would be the polar opposite of no migration controls.

 

[SemirDahak]

Please, if buildings will auto downsize, there NEEDS to be some sort of refund.

If you do the maths right now on infrastructure costs and construction costs, even if you downsize a building at the very start of the game the reduced infrastructure usage will literally never recoup the cost of constructing the building in the first place. As it stands now, downsizing buildings is literally always a terrible idea that throws money away. At best this change will force you to play inefficiently (nobody who min/maxes their economy will ever choose to downsize a single building as it currently works), at worst it can have dreadful consequences for military:

Considering the increase in military goods demand post-mobilisation, especially with conscription, the best thing to do is to have a bunch of superfluous military goods production buildings which can surge with new staff when demand grows. With Laissez-Faire in 1.7 making all buildings automatically privately owned, this would now be impossible.

Please reconsider this change. Or at the very least add an option to disable it. Or at the very very least, some way for modders like me to disable it. Please please do not make this a baseline behaviour that mods cannot interact with, at minimum please have the 12 month time limit as a define so it can be set to 1200 months if I wish to disable that feature.

Alternatively of course, making it actually useful in any context to downsize buildings would work too. At present that is simply never the case.

But... That's how it should work. If government is forbidden from owning or subsidizing any industries, then private military industry shouldn't be able to sustain war-scale factories during peacetime.

Obvious solutions are not tweaks to downsizing, but either allowing owning/subsidizing military industry even under laissez-faire, or introducing stockpiles. We know that there are plans to introduce stockpiles but not in this update, so solution is to allow subsidizing military.

But obviously it would be a good idea to make auto-downsizing moddable (or perhaps also a gamerule?)

 

[Jetroconsizzla]

The Sokoto caliphate has similarly isolationist laws to Japan . It's always felt weird because in reality they were a trade empire and Kano was the emporium of west Africa during the 18th century. They should at least start with mercantilism

 

[J1r2000]

1.7 is still like a month away T-T the hype is too real

 

[Rachidelson]

Any plans for making countries desire having an alliance more? I always find it that making official allies is so hard it is not worth it, I also get backstabbed after what feels like a month after signing any alliance, I don`t get why the AI is so isolationist, I don`t even think they make enough meaningful diplo plays around the world, as the political map of 1900 is almost always identical to 1840s in my games.

 

[Genro]

Awesome dev diary, looking forward to the new updates. Is the dev team ever considering adding the ability to re-name states, buildings, country, etc.?

 

[MadlockUK]

Will companies ever have leaders for them that are also a bit like agitators and/or potential policitians? So in a way, you could have John Harvey Kellogg be a progressive force (at least for those who were 'American') within the Religious Faction? I'm sure there are others though my mind is blank as I write this.

 

[CivMasters]

Auto-downsizing for Privately owned buildings​

Privately-owned Buildings that are not able to fill all their vacancies will in 1.7 start downsizing on their own under certain conditions. If it becomes relevant, the building will issue a warning that it intends to downsize in 12 months, unless conditions get better. If it starts downsizing it will remove levels one at a time until the number of employees better matches its output and profit potentials.

I'm worried about this.

How often the game checks for auto-downsizing potential? Is having one or more profitable periods a reset for this countdown? If so, how many?

How often does it downsize buildings, once the 12 month grace period has passed?

The private queue is maniacal and builds some terrible terrible buildings sometimes. I don't want construction going to waste when it can become useful after some market accommodation, but I also don't want to be constantly micro-managing every single building for the whole game.

Will there be a way to turn this off, if I find it working against me more often than being helpful?

 

[Winterwolf00]

Discriminated pops can't economically migrate to states other than their homelands, so if you want make sure colonial pops aren't migrating to the imperial core, you'll need to discriminate against them.

So Liberia should actually start getting Afro-American migrants from pre-civil war USA instead of them migrating from Liberia to the extremely racist South?
Because that shit was hilarious.

 

[Idle America]

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For this caption I had to provide Alex with the Blimey part because initially he wrote 'Golly Gee' sounding like a 1930s American comic character.

"Hully Gee" if you want to go even further than that!

 

[Will Steel]

Does this mean we can finally simulate at least some aspects of WW1, with the historical example of Entente side calling Italy into the war a year later, and much later calling America into the same war?

Great dev diary anyway.

 

[Idle America]

For a long time you have all been talking about how it’s awkward that your migration laws also prevent your pops from migrating inside your country, rather than only restricting it when moving out.

So THAT'S why they never left New York!

 

[zmarcos]

I like the Auto-downsizing, but here is my suggestion:

When in the downsizing notification period

• Let the building be nationalized with a discount;
• Let the building be nationalized at the market price and the previous owners get a bit more happy with the government;

 

[matlion91]

What happens if Belgium, whose independence is guaranteed by 3 major powers, decides to enter into a customs union or something else that makes it no longer an independent state ? Would the countries that had guaranteed its independence go to war with Belgium and the country that had brought Belgium under its influence or not ?

 

[Doctor Bones]

In 1.7 calling an ally will now let that ally pick a war goal of their own.

Can this wargoal conflict with your own? As an example, if I were to subjugate Belgium as the Netherlands and called in my French ally to help me fight the pesky Brits with their guarantee of Belgium, could France demand wallonia as a wargoal, thus majorly limiting my primary wargoal's worth and effectively wasting infamy?

 

[RaccoonCity]

Migration laws will no longer prevent pops moving between states in your country. Instead, your migration laws will only prevent pops from moving out of or into your country, be it through mass migrations or through regular market migration from other countries within your market or power bloc.

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There should still be a differentiation between incorporated states and non incorporated states... please fix that

 

[BrotherJonathan]

Does the ability to heave multiple wars mean we might start seeing revolutions/civil wars with more than 2 sides, kind of like how the Spanish Civil War works in Hearts of Iron?