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Tinto Maps #5 - 7th of June 2024 - Italy

Hello everyone, and welcome to the fifth Tinto Maps! This week we will be sharing the map of Italy.

One comment before we start: we know that you might be eager to discuss other regions that may appear partially on the DD, such as the Balkans. Let’s try to keep the conversations separated in different threads, please; every region will get its own Tinto Maps, and we will show them and gather feedback in due time, in their own DD.

With that said, let’s start!:

Countries
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The situation of Italy in 1337 is quite interesting. The main power in the peninsula is the Kingdom of Naples, ruled by King Robert I, who is also ruler of Provence, and a few minor countries in Northern Italy; his efforts towards the domination of Italy also made him the leader of the Guelph faction in Italy, which backs the Pope. Speaking of him, the seat of the Curia is at Avignon, and regaining control over the Papal States and moving it back to Rome might take some time and effort. Opposite to all of them, there is the Ghibelline faction, led by the Signoria of Milan, ruled by the Visconti dynasty. They are backed by other important powers in the Italian region, such as the Superb Republic of Genoa, or the Duchy of Verona, ruled by the dynasty of della Scala. There are also neutral powers, like the Republics of Venice or Siena, although they could be attracted to join one of the factions. And we also have foreign powers that have already set a foothold in Italy, such as the Crown of Aragon, which has established a branch of its dynasty as Kings of Sicilia, while also recently conquering some lands in Sardinia.

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Guelphs and Ghibellines factions! They are International Organizations part of a Situation.

Dynasties
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Locations
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There is an interesting density in Italy, especially in the North, where there are plenty of communes - the Italian city-states. You might also notice something a bit different from previous Paradox GSGs: Venice is not an island, but the location has lands around the lagoon. We aren’t 100% sure that this will be the final design, as we have a few ideas to try to keep its special position on an island inside the lagoon while addressing the issue of it being too small to appear in the map; in this regard, we’re open about feedback and ideas on the topic.

Provinces
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Any naming suggestions about the provinces are well-received, as usual.

Terrain
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Three usual terrain layers. Something that I want to comment on is that we’ve been following this thread about ‘Revising Flatlands and hills’, and we are trying to get a bit more granularity in the Topographical map with the help of @SulphurAeron .

Cultures
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Italy is also a region with a sharp cultural division, and also plenty of minorities; although they don’t appear on the map, there are Italki Jews, or Greek and Albanian people in the South, among others.

Religions
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Another boring region, with more than 90% of the population being Catholic, with most of the religious minorities being Italkim Jews and Orthodox Greeks. We're considering implementing Waldensians, although adding more diverging Catholic heresies/confessions is a bit of a low priority for us right now. As a side note, it might catch your eye the Krstjani of Bosnia; we’ll discuss them later on, in the Tinto Maps devoted to the Balkans.

Raw Goods
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Italy is a rich region with plenty of interesting raw materials.

Markets
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There are three market centers in Italy: Genoa, Venice, and Naples (which was a very, very rich country in 1337, the wealthiest of the region). As usual, take into account that. 1. We don't script in the setup which locations belong to each market, they're automatically assigned to each market. 2. This starting distribution is not final, and it might change, as we do tweaks to the market access calculations over time.

Population
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There is around 10.5M population in the Italian region as of now. Taking into account how divided the political landscape is, Naples looks scary…

And that’s all for this week! For the next one, we will be talking about the British Isles, with @SaintDaveUK . See you!
 
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Is anyone else concerned about the huge difference in location density? Just compare Italy to the Balkans:

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One location in Hungary is 5-6 locations in Italy.
I just hope this wont make more dense countries automatically more powerful like with Germany and the rest of Europe in EU4
Forget Italy, North Africa has like twice the province density of Southeastern Europe lmao
 
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While I don't want to derail the thread, are the earlier maps still being looked at? There seems to be a pattern of the Devs doing their absolute best to reply to as many comments as possible in the first days, but then it goes quiet. In the Low Countries thread for example the last Dev reply was mid May, but after that some people have done massive research with maps and sources provided, I just want to make sure that isn't lost.
 
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I have a few things to point out:
- The climate in the Po Valley was continental in the XVI century with winter temperatures going as low as -30°C, i guess you classified it as subtropical based on modern data but it would make more sense form a historical and gameplay prospective to have a colder climate since famines and river freezes were more common at the time
- The Po delta was 10-20 km shorter in the time frame of the game, it started extending into the Adriatic after the surrounding rivers were channeled
- Also look up "Piana del Fucino" (it was a lake drained in 1852, the romans drained partially but it was still pretty big), if you are doing a geographic mapmode
- Many of the modern farmlands and grasslands are the result of massive swamp reclmation efforts in the XIX and XX century, so some locations should be changed to swamp.
P.S. Managed to post the map (Red and striped areas were reclaimed very late or later than the end date)
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As my colleague ArcticKnight has already touched on Lower Styria (Spodnja Štajerska), I will also make another comment. Ptuj (marked with olive green color) known in German as Pettau was under Salzburg in 1337. In 1479, Ptuj was attacked by Hungary and held until 1490, when it was appropriated by the Habsburgs. Ptuj would potentially be another location that could fit into the game. The good that could be produced there would be wine.


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This map shows the ethnic territory of the Slovenes between the 12th and 15th centuries. Pink is old German colonization, pink dotted fields are German colonization between the 12th and 15th centuries. The green striped color is an additional conolization of the Slovenes.
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The Tolmin (pink location) was under Aquileia in 1337.
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I hope I was helpful.
 
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For future map posts, with larger and/or more dense locations like this, would it be possible to post several zoomed in screenshots in the first post? Small locations are really hard to read like this
 
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While I don't want to derail the thread, are the earlier maps still being looked at? There seems to be a pattern of the Devs doing their absolute best to reply to as many comments as possible in the first days, but then it goes quiet. In the Low Countries thread for example the last Dev reply was mid May, but after that some people have done massive research with maps and sources provided, I just want to make sure that isn't lost.
Yes! We had these two threads about the feedback changes of the Low Countries (and we keep reading after posting them, so there will probably be a few more tweaks):


Next week we expect to have the map review of Iberia finished, so we can share with you, as well.
 
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@Pavía
Venice is not an island, but the location has lands around the lagoon. We aren’t 100% sure that this will be the final design, as we have a few ideas to try to keep its special position on an island inside the lagoon while addressing the issue of it being too small to appear in the map; in this regard, we’re open about feedback and ideas on the topic.

We do not know all the mechanics yet, but probably the easiest would be some kind of special building that would provide the same benefits that position on island would do like blocking movement with a fleet, etc. It would be available only for the few similar locations on the map.
 
For future map posts, with larger and/or more dense locations like this, would it be possible to post several zoomed in screenshots in the first post? Small locations are really hard to read like this
Yes, it will most likely be the case.
 
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Interesting. Though I'd say the Appennines warrant to be fully fleshed out as mountains, they're a significant geographical feature which impacted the military and political situation of Italy several times in History. Last time being the 1943-1945 period when the Allied invasion force had to split-up between American and British areas of operations with the Appennines being the border between the two.

As for cultures perhaps it could be worth it to either rename them or fleshing them out better, for instance I can't see someone from Romagna enjoying being called an Emilian, there's a reason why the region is Emilia-Romagna with Emilia and Romagna culturally being considered as two distinct sub-regions. Same thing for Umbrian culture I would say that it's necessary to make a Latium culture or you could perhaps rename that to Central Italian since it doesn't cover just Umbria.

As for Venice I think there should be a small capital tile within the lagoon since the favorable strategic location of Venice proper was always a relevant factor in the history of the Most Serene Republic.

Climate-wise, the Padanian plain marked as subtropical?? It has a very different climate compared to let's say North Africa. Then again Idk what did you mean in game terms with subtropical but it's quite odd if you ask me.

Lastly, allow me to be pedantic and specific about the area I live in since it seems to be featured as a locality within the province of Modena. At the very south of it I can make out the name Frassinoro which I suppose is meant to be the capitol of the territory known as Frignano, it was certainly a seat of power with an important abbey at the times of Matilde of Canossa, however by game time the seat of power moved to a place called Montecuccolo, the place of a magnificent mountain castle and the birthplace of a family, the Montecuccoli, who ended up giving several brilliant military commanders, diplomats, court members and admirals to many important European powerhouses, mainly Austria in the form of the Holy Roman Empire. I think it would be a better pick as capitol than Frassinoro.

Also by God add San Marino, how could you leave it out!
 
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Looking forward to play with Arborea! I am originally from Sardinia and I wanted to congratulate on the work you did on the island which looks really detailed compared to previous instances of your games and what I’m particularly impressed by is the Corsican presence on the northern part of the island which developed to today into the hybrid Gallurese culture and language which is definitely an impressive detail! Your historical team needs a weekly talk aswel just so we know how you manage to find these very small but precious details :)
 
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Sardinia in Project Caesar

@Johan @Pavía

I will mostly give my suggestions according to what I’ve seen in this Tinto Maps thread, but I will also give some other information that, at least in my opinion, could be useful for better representing the island of Sardinia in Project Caesar. I’ve spent quite some time doing some research, mostly through what I found on internet, but I’ve also relied a lot on the pre-existing knowledge I had, since I'm quite passionate about the topic and I’m from Sardinia. However, I tried to include as many sources as I could in the bottom of the text.

Locations names are based on the map I made, I will use names in Sardinian.

The judicates​

First, we can’t talk about medieval Sardinia without talking about the judicates, autochthonous states that existed in the island from the IX to the XV century.

Sardinia originally had four judicates, they all ended slightly before the start date (at the end of the XIII century) except for Arborea. For this reason, they should all be present as releasable nations, with the borders present in the image below.

They were called:

  • Judicate of Calari (EN) or Judicadu de Càlaris (SA), with its capital in Càlari (Cagliari)
  • Judicate of Torres (EN) or Judicadu de Torres (SA), with its capital in Thathari (Sassari)
  • Judicate of Arborea (EN) or Judicadu de Arbarea (SA), with its capital in Aristane (Oristano)
  • Judicate of Gallura (EN) or Judicadu de Gaddura (SA), with its capital in Terranoa (Olbia)
(As usual in middle-ages, there were no fixed capitals, although, progressively, some centres became the privileged seats of power)

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The judicate was a unique form of state, directly derived from the previous Byzantine administration and so they weren’t feudal states. It had the same rank of a kingdom and so it didn’t recognise any power above them (they claimed the summa potestas).

Each judicate was ruled by a judike (or judikessa if female), that was the king (or to be more precise a “supreme magistrate”). He was elected by the Corona de Logu, a parliament composed by representatives of each Curadoria (administrative districts), clergymen, castellans and two representatives from the capital elected by the judike. The election criteria were based on a mixed elective-hereditary system following the direct male line and, only alternatively, the female line. The parliament also had the task of supervising the sovereign's actions.

The judike did not have possession over the land nor he was the repository of sovereignty since this was formally held by the Corona de Logu. He ruled on the basis of a pact with the people (the bannus-consensus) and if he violated it, he could have been ousted or, in cases of serious acts of tyranny and abuse, even legitimately executed, without this affecting the hereditary transmission of the title within the ruling dynasty (yes, this actually happened). He could not declare war, sign peace treaties or dispose of the Judicate assets without the permission of the Corona de Logu.

Each judicate also had a written legal code (comparable to a constitution): the Carta de Logu, a collection of penal, public, civil and land regulations. The Carta de Logu of the Judicate of Arborea, promulgated by the judikessa Eleanor of Arborea in 1392, is the most famous and important one as it was in force in all of Sardinia until it was superseded by the code of King Charles Felix in April 1827.

So, in short, the judicate can be considered as a proto-constitutional monarchy.

As I previously said, the only living judicate in 1337 was Arborea, the Kingdom of Sardinia was a feudal state and, while it had a relative autonomy from the Crown, it was organized similarly to other kingdoms in continental Europe (while some customs were kept, like the Carta de Logu or some of the previous administrative organization).

Proposals

  • Add the four judicates as releasables
  • Add Sardinian localized names (Judike for king, Corona de Logu for parliament, etc.)
  • Represent the Judicate of Arborea (and other releasable judicates) as a sort of constitutional monarchy, with a parliament and a “constitution” (I’m sure there will be laws that unlock parliaments and constitutions), and with its elective-hereditary succession system

Politics​

This was the political setup of Sardinia in 1337:

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We had four different nations still present, the Kingdom of Sardinia extended over the previous Pisan territory (old judicates of Calari and Gallura) plus the city of Thathari, the Judicate of Arborea instead had owned big chunks of land in the centre-west of the island and the Doria, a powerful Genoese family, ruled over some land where once there was the Judicate of Torres. The Malaspina still had little holdings in the north-west, but they were on the brink of their end.

  • Kingdom of Sardinia (and Corsica): its capital was in Càlari (where the parliament was instituted in 1355). It was a feudal state, ruled in 1337 by the Catalan governor Ramon de Ribelles until 1418, when a viceroy was appointed. The Kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica (Regnum Sardiniae et Corsicae) was created in 1297 by pope Boniface VIII and its crown was conceded de jure to the king James II of Aragon; it was established de facto after the war won against Pisa and Genoa, in 1326. In 1479 it was renamed to just “Kingdom of Sardinia”, as Corsica was never taken from Genoa, despite many attempts.
  • Judicate of Arborea: its capital was in Aristane. It had the previously discussed form of government and at the time was ruled by Petru III de Bas-Serra (the latter is the dynasty name).
  • The Doria (Genoa): their capital was in Castelgenovese. They were an important family from Genoa that took control of some of the land where once there was the judicate of Torres, forming a “signoria” there. They ruled this land as a personal possession but for game purpose maybe it should be considered Genoa territory.
  • The Malaspina (Aragon): they were a powerful Italian family (I think from Tuscany) that gained control of some territory and were able to form a signoria there during the dissolution of the judicate of Torres. In 1337 they were left with few territories in the Lugudoro region (Torres), centred around the castle of Osilo. In 1343 they were annexed into the K. of Sardinia.
Representing the K. of Sardinia as a PU under the Crown of Aragon is not only historically accurate, but it would also represent better the events that has seen the kingdom basically transferred first to the Austrians and then to the Piedmontese in the XVIII century. The kingdom existed continuously until 1847 when, with the “Fusione Perfetta” (meaning “perfect fusion” in Italian) it was integrated into the continental states of Savoy and Piedmont, similarly to what the English Crown did in Ireland with the Act of Union in 1800.

Proposals

  • Make the Kingdom of Sardinia a PU under Aragon. It should be of Sardinian culture, but its “institutions” should be similar to the Crown of Aragon
  • Here you can either make the Doria be their own nation (as they technically were), like other “signorias” in Italy or, for the sake of simplicity, portray their territories as directly owned by Genoa
  • The same goes for the Malaspina, they technically were vassals under the K. of Sardinia, but you can also portray them as a directly owned territory by the K. of Sardinia
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Diplomacy​

The Kingdom of Sardinia was a in a PU under the Crown of Aragon. It had a claim over all of Sardinia and Corsica.

Aragon and Arborea were allies but the latter were already suspicious, as they felt threatened by the Aragonese expansion. This alliance was very unequal, in the eyes of the Aragonese it was a vassalage although Arborea was still de facto independent. For these reasons, Arborea will wage war against the K. of Sardinia in 1353, after less than 15 years since the start date.

The Doria were very hostile to the Kingdom of Sardinia, they fought in 1329 and they will fight again (winning this time) in 1347. In 1353 they allied with Arborea.

The Malaspina were vassals of the Aragonese king until 1343, when their territories were inherited by the latter and incorporated into the Kingdom of Sardinia.

Also, Sardinia was one of the areas that suffered the most from incursions of Barbary pirates and this problem lasted during the whole game timeframe, for this reason most coastal towns were abandoned in favour of more inland and defensible positions (this also led to a lot of areas becoming marshy and, for this reason, there was a consequent greater spread of malaria).

Proposals
  • Alliance between Arborea and K. of Sardinia/Crown of Aragon (depending on how PU will work), although their relations should start to deteriorate in the following years
  • The Doria (Genoa) should be very antagonistic against the Aragonese and they should start to close ties with Arborea in the following years
  • The K. of Sardinia should have a claim over the entirety of Sardinia and Corsica
  • The Doria (Genoa) should have a claim over Thathari
  • The Malaspina should have a claim over Bosa

Demography​

According to most sources I found, the island had between 300.000 inhabitants (to be fair, estimates go from 200.000 to 500.000).

The most important and populous cities were Thathari, Aristane, Calari, Igresias, Castelgenovese and Bosa. Thathari was the most populous city, it counted at least 10.000 inhabitants. Also, Terranoa was considered as quasi civitas, almost a city (less important than the ones I’ve presented).

The population ratio between cities and countryside was between 1 to 3 and 1 to 5. However, during the XIV century, the new economic setup brought by the Aragonese, the many wars that were fought and the Black Death (which killed 1/3 to 1/2 of the total population) provoked a progressive abandonment of many villages (10/12% of them) and a consequent centralization of the population. During the end of the XIV century and the start of the XV 55/60% of rural villages were abandoned.

2/3 of the population were serfs.

Population growth was kept low by the malaria.

It had always been a problem since pre-Roman times, but in the late Middle Ages the problem became even worse. During the previous centuries the Barbary pirate’s incursions caused the abandonment of the coasts and this made them become marshy. This, together with the naturally humid climate and the already very sparse population, led to an even worse proliferation of malaria, in the coasts and in the plains.

Proposals

Just consider the info I provided, unfortunately I couldn’t find more detailed and specifical data for population numbers, I will update it in the case

Culture​

Sardinian was the main language in the island and it was the language of the elites.

The majority of the population was ethnically Sardinian.

There were communities of Tuscans especially in Igresias, but also in Calari, Orisei and Terranoa, and in general there were small communities in all the territory controlled by the K. of Sardinia, as it was almost all Pisan territory until some decades prior to 1337. Also, Bosa and Osilo had small communities of Tuscans.

There were communities of Ligurians in Alighera, Castelgenovese. A small community also in Aristane.

There were communities of Catalans in Calari and Thathari. In Igresias they were the 5%.

In the end of the XIV century Calari and Alighera have seen a huge influx of Catalan immigrants (especially the latter, where they became the majority).

There were big communities of Corsicans in the north of Gallura, especially in Lungoni, Tempiu and Terranoa.

Also, Castelgenovese had a smaller community of Corsicans. Thathari and Monteforte had probably some small communities too.

Their migration to Sardinia started, at least from what it is documented, in the XIV century and so they should’t be too many. The north of Gallura had the most but they weren’t the majority (at least in 1337).

There were consistent communities of Jews in the major cities until 1492, when the Spanish expelled them. In Calari there were 70 Jew families.

Proposals

  • Corsican people are too many, they weren’t a majority in any part of Sardinia. Their biggest presence was in Lungoni and Tempiu, followed by Terranoa. Also, Castelgenovese, Pasada, Thathari and Monteforte should have a Corsican minority (but nothing more). I think this misconception come from the fact that nowadays in these areas the language is very similar to the Corsican language (which by the way, wasn't the same at the time). But, in the XIV Corsicans weren’t that many, Gallura and northern Lugudoro weren’t as influenced by Corsican immigrants as they were some decades later. At the time the majority still spoke Sardinian (in the lugudorese variant)
  • Calari should have a majority of Sardinian, but with big minorities of Catalans and Tuscans
  • Igresias should have a huge minority of Tuscans (they founded the city and populated it); Catalans should be only the 5% of the population in the city (so not the whole location, although the city was fairly populous)
  • Aristane should have a very small community of Ligurians (mostly merchants)
  • Bosa and Osilo should have small communities of Tuscans
  • Castelgenovese and Alighera should have communities of Ligurians
  • Thatari should have a community of Catalans (probably the 10% of the city’s population, so around 1.000 people)
  • Terranoa and Orisei should have Tuscan communities.
  • Some very little numbers of Tuscan pops can be added in other Locations iside the provinces of Calari and Gallura (especially the latter).
  • Calari, Thathari and Aristane should have Jewish communities (in Calari they were 70 families).

Religion​

The religion in the XIV century was Catholic in all the island. Probably some Pagans were still present in the Barbagia region but there aren’t a lot of sources for this and I don’t think that is enough to have a Pagan minority.

Proposals

No change

Military​

As most of other armies in Europe, the big bulk of judical armies was composed of levies.
During war each curadoria had to send 2/3 of the available male population, while 1/3 stayed at home to keep the economy going and, in cases of necessity, defend their land. This "rotation system" reduced the amount of troops available but at the same time it was beneficial, both because economy could still function during war and, at the same time, every village was defended by men with some military experience.

Each judicate had a small standing army (which acted as a personal guard for the judike) named Bujakesos, an elite force of cavalry.

Also, mercenaries coming from all over Europe were often engaged by the different powers present in the island, especially Genoese crossbowmen.

Proposals

  • To simulate how levies worked you can reduce the amount of population raised by 1/3
  • Add a small standing army for the J. of Arborea, composed of an elite force of cavalry (called Bujakesos)
  • Make sure the nations in Sardinia get access to mercenaries from all over Europe (at least as far as Germany)

Production​

Economy relied largely on farming: wool, livestock, fur, wild game, and wine were produced.

The interior was rich of woods, it was a great source of lumber.

The Calaritan curadories of Gippi and Trexenta (Seddori and Senobrì) and the land in Arborea (Terraba and Laconi) had a rich wheat production. In general, the whole Campidano region had a rich production of cereals.

Calari was known for its salt production. Also Nurra (Monteforte) had salt production.

Aristane and Bosa had wine production.

Bosa had soap production.

Alighera was known for coral harvesting (but not processing).

Igrèsias had one of the most important silver production in Europe: it is estimated that between 5 to 10% of all the silver in Europe at the time came from here. However, it started its decline during the second half of the XIV century as its mines started depleting. Silver was present also in Sarrabus (Chirra) and Nurra.

Sulcis region (Tratalias) had coal but it has been discovered only in recent times (XX century).

Proposals

  • Alighera: Wheat
  • Otieri: Lumber
  • Bitzi: Lumber
  • Bosa: Wine
  • Calari: Salt
  • Chirra: Silver
  • Igresias: Silver
  • Laconi: Wheat
  • Monteforte: Salt/Silver
  • Ollollai: Fur
  • Orisei: Marble
  • Pauli Gerrei: Lumber
  • Seddori: Wheat
  • Senobrì: Wheat
  • Seulu: Lumber
  • Terraba: Wheat
  • Lanusei: Lumber
  • Other locations should be either Wool or Livestock (with a prevalence of the first), with at least one Wild Game or Fur in the interior locations
It should look like this, more or less:
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Trade​

The port of Calari always was “the gate of Sardinia”, most important port in the island: spices, woolen cloth and luxury goods were imported.

A huge quantity of wheat, produced in the Campidano plain, was exported in Italy (this trade route existed since Roman times), especially in Tuscany.

Also, salt was one of the most exported products.

As I already mentioned, silver was the most profitable good exported (ancient Greeks used to call Sardinia as Argyróphleps nésos, the island of silver veins), at least until the beginning of the XV century.

Other exported goods were cheese, pasta, salted meat, fur, leather, wild game, wool, wine, livestock, lumber.

So, in summary: the most important goods were silver, wheat and salt; secondly, we have farming products (wool, fur, livestock) and lumber.

Proposals

  • Sardinia being in the Genoa market is 100% accurate, I don’t know why some interior locations are in the Naples market but I guess it is a bug
  • Sardinia should export a lot of silver (5% of the silver in Europe only from Igresias mines), salt and wheat; other goods previously mentioned were exported but weren’t as important

Locations and Provinces​

The principal administrative division in Sardinia was the Curadoria: I think this should be the basis for PC locations.
This administrative system was definitively abandoned in the XV century, after the last judicate of Arborea was conquered, and it was replaced by the imposition of feudal institutions. However, the Curadorias are still the basis on which the “historical regions” of the island are shaped.
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I merged many curadorias with the purpose of having the right number of locations, with an area of more or less 500km² (as most of other locations), while also taking into account historical borders (in 1337 but also previous borders).

I think I found the best compromise to portray all important centers, mantain the original shapes of the curadorias and make almost all historical borders possible (for both before and after 1337).

Regarding provinces, we can have four (Calari, Arborea, Lugudoro, Gallura), reflecting the four judicates historical borders.

Proposals

  • Locations map
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  • Provinces map
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Topography​

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Proposals
Sardinia is much more mountainous than this, here is what I think topography should look like:

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The area marked in black is the massif of Gennargentu (1834m).
It actually blocked (and still do) the path from the north to the south and vice versa.
Today it is only crossable through artificial tunnels that didn't existed at the time (nor there was the technology to build them).

Vegetation


Proposals

In the XIV century Sardinia vegetation was much denser than todays (huge deforestation happened much later with the Piedmontese), here is what Sardinia should have looked like according to the sources I found (and some personal knowledge of the territory):
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Localization


Here you have some localization in Sardinia to give some flavour to the region (also, some of the current locations names didn’t even exist back then, like Carbonia and Olbia). I put the names of the most important cities or the curadorias capitals.

The locations names at the start should be all in Sardinian, except for the ones owned by Doria and Malaspina (Alghero, Ardara, Castelgenovese, Nurra and Osilo) which should be in Italian.

If you find this useful I can expand this by a lot.

"Judike" inflection:


singular​
plural​
male​
judikejudikes
female​
judikissajudikissas



Location names:


Sardinian
Italian
Catalan
AbbasantaAbbasantaAbbasanta
AligheraAlgheroAlguer
ArdaraArderaArdara
AristaneOristanoOristany
BitziBittiBitti
BosaBosaBosa
CàlariCallari / Castel di CastroCàller / Castell de Càller
Casteddugenovesu / CasteddusarduCastelgenoveseCastellaragonès
ChìrraQuirraQuirra
GocèaniGoceanoGoceà
Igrèsias / Bidda de CresiaVilla di Chiesa / ChiesaEsgleyes / Vila d'Esgleyes
LàconiLaconiLaconi
LanusèLanuseiLanusèi
LungoneLongosardoLongosard
MacumèreMacomerMacomer
MonteforteMonteforteMontfort
NuraNoraNora
OllollaiOllolaiOllolai
OrisèiOroseiOrusei
OsileOsiloOsilo
OtieriOzieriOcier
PasadaPasadaPasada
Paùli Gerrei / GerreiSan Nicolò GerreiSant Nicolau Gerrei
SeddoriSelloriSellori
SeùluSeuloSeulo
SueddiSuelliSuelli
TèmpiuTempioTemple
TerrabaTerralbaTerralba
TerranoaTerranovaTerranoa
ThathariSassariSàsser
TrataliasTrataliasTratalias

Male names:


Sardinian
Italian
Catalan
English
AndriaAndreaAndreuAndrew
AntioguAntiocoAntiocAntiochus
AntoniAntonioAntoniAnthony
BaingiuGavinoGavíGavin
BaroreSalvatoreSalvadorSalvator
BarusoneBarisoneBerenguerBarisan
BasileBasilioBasiliBasil
CaraluCarloCarlesCharles
ComitaComitaComteComita
CostantineCostantinoConstantíConstantine
EnzuEnzoEnçHenry
FerdinanduFerdinandoFerranFerdinand
FideliFedericoFredericFrederick
FrantziscuFrancescoFrancescFrancis
GiaguGiacomoJaumeJames
GunnareGonarioGonariGonarius
GugliermuGuglielmoGuillemWilliam
IsteveneStefanoEsteveStephen
IthoccorItocorroIocorItocorre
JuanneGiovanniJoanJohn
LenarduLeonardoLlenardLeonard
MarianeMarianoMarianMarianus
OrzocorOrzoccoOrçocOrzoccor
PetruPietroPerePeter
RamunduRaimondoRamonRaymond
SalusiSalusioSaluciSalusius
SergiuSergioSergiSergius
ThomasTommasoTomàsThomas
TorbenuTorbenoTorbenTorben
TrogodòriTorchitorioTorcitoriTorchitorius
TruiscuEnricoEnricHenry
UgoneUgoneHugHugh
ZusepeGiuseppeJosepJoseph



Female names:


Sardinian
Italian
Catalan
English
AdelasiaAdelasiaAdelasiaAdelisia
AgalbursaAgalbursaAgalbursaAgalbursa
AgnesaAgneseAgnèsAgnes
AnnicaAnnaAnnaAnne
BeneitaBenedettaBenetaBenedicte
BiataBeatriceBeatriuBeatrice
CadalinaCaterinaCaterinaKatherine
CostantzaCostanzaConstançaConstance
EleneElenaElenaHelen
ElianoraEleonoraElionorEleanor
FranziscaFrancescaFrancescaFrances
LughiaLuciaLlúciaLucy
MariaMariaMariaMary
ZuanniccaGiovanniccaJoanicaJohanna


*Names in Catalan language might be wrong*​
  • For surnames I found this document containing a huge amount of them (from page 23). They are all documented surnames used in Sardinia from XI to XV century. It is in Italian but no translation is needed.​

Coats of arms​

The coats of arms of every nation present in 1337 Sardinia plus the old judicates:
Coat of arms Sardinia.png

(the flag of the kingdom of Sardinia is not to be confused with the modern flag of Sardinia)

References


2023, Il tempo dei giudicati. La Sardegna medievale dal X al XV secolo d.C., Ilisso



https://www.wikipedia.org/



https://rime.cnr.it/index.php/rime/article/view/78/134



https://medievaleggiando.it/laffasc...le-l-isola-nel-medioevo-centrale-xi-xiii-sec/



https://www.alguer.it/info/algheroneltempo/ilnomedialghero.html



https://www.sardegnadigitallibrary.it/documenti/17_161_20080610112616.pdf



https://www.amezena.net/storia-di/breve-storia-dei-rapporti-fra-genova-e-la-sardegna/



https://books.google.it/books?hl=it&lr=&id=fw4XuEbKnQwC&oi=fnd&pg=PP11&dq=natural+resources+sardinia+middle+ages&ots=rYbVRgq6f2&sig=htEutUJxoY8KBO5lMzN-ia7rFHs&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=natural resources sardinia middle ages&f=false



https://books.google.it/books?hl=it&lr=&id=LjQBAAAAQAAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA3&dq=natural+resources+sardinia+middle+ages&ots=9UOcun-Jrv&sig=ER-n8eelPsLxJXffgcTPceCP-s0&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=natural resources sardinia middle ages&f=false



https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/11686433.pdf



http://www.rmoa.unina.it/2677/1/campus.pdf



https://www.sardegnadigitallibrary.it/detail/6499b87ce487374c8f8015b9



https://www.sardegnaforeste.it/noti...chive-un-altro-po-di-storia-dei-nostri-boschi



https://iris.uniss.it/retrieve/e1dc...5fe0ac7a3/Grassi_E_economia_a_sassari_dal.pdf



https://www.academia.edu/984526/_Sardegna_e_spazi_economici_nel_Medioevo_una_rilettura_problematica



https://www.academia.edu/102955618/Villaggi_centri_minori_e_città_nella_Sardegna_bassomedievale_Demografia_economia_società_XI_XV_secolo_



https://iris.unica.it/retrieve/7a6dcf79-ec48-4148-baa0-d98c4288a6be/Mameli_ArcheoArte_4.pdf



https://www.scuolafilosofica.com/682/la-malaria-nella-sardegna-medioevale
 

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We're considering implementing Waldensians, although adding more diverging Catholic heresies/confessions is a bit of a low priority for us right now.
Regarding the Waldensians there were a group of them that migrated from Piedmont, Provence and Dauphiné to Calabria Citra during the 13th century.
Initially they were mostly accepted by the local population but they were later massacred by the Inquisition.
(For some reason I can't post links to wikipedia pages so I'll just post the names of the articles)
Spanish Wikipedia: Matanza de los valdenses de Calabria
Italian Wikipedia: Strage dei Valdesi di Calabria
(Unfortunately there isn't a Wikipedia page about the massacre in English, only Italian and Spanish are available)
A large number of Waldensians migrated to a small coastal town that used to be called Guardia Fiscaldi, then was called Guardia dei Valdi and nowadays is called Guardia Piemontese. Because of this Guardia is an Occitan linguistic and ethnic enclave (I've personally been there and unfortunately only the older generations talk the local Occitan dialect).
The Wikipedia page of Guardia Piemontese (available in English) pretty much summarizes what the Inquisition did to the Calabrian Waldensians, with Guardia actually suffering a massacre and forced conversion.
 
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Subtropical climate is correct for the Po' Valley. The name is kinda misleading, but the place is incredibly humid. Around December, sometimes you get so much fog you can't even see your own hands.

Edit: suggested to add Swamps north and south of Venice, but... squinting my eyes, I see they're already there.
As a dweller of the Italian Po Valley, I respectfully disagree. It's humid, yes, but it's not comparable at all with the general concept of "subtropical climate"
 
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Sardinia in Project Caesar


I will mostly give my suggestions according to what I’ve seen in this Tinto Maps thread, but I will also give some other information that, at least in my opinion, could be useful for better representing the island of Sardinia in Project Caesar. I’ve spent quite some time doing some research, mostly through what I found on internet, but I’ve also relied a lot on the pre-existing knowledge I had, since I'm quite passionate about the topic and I’m from Sardinia. However, I tried to include as many sources as I could in the bottom of the text.

Locations names are based on the map I made, I will use names in Sardinian

The judicates​

First, we can’t talk about medieval Sardinia without talking about the judicates, autochthonous states that existed in the island from the IX to the XV century.

Sardinia originally had four judicates, they all ended slightly before the start date (at the end of the XIII century) except for Arborea. For this reason, they should all be present as releasable nations, with the borders present in the image below.

They were called:

  • Judicate of Calari (EN) or Judicadu de Càlaris (SA), with its capital in Càlari (Cagliari)
  • Judicate of Torres (EN) or Judicadu de Torres (SA), with its capital in Thathari (Sassari)
  • Judicate of Arborea (EN) or Judicadu de Arbarea (SA), with its capital in Aristanis (Oristano)
  • Judicate of Gallura (EN) or Judicadu de Gaddura (SA), with its capital in Terranoa (Olbia)
(As usual in middle-ages, there were no fixed capitals, although, progressively, some centres became the privileged seats of power)

View attachment 1145168

The judicate was a unique form of state, directly derived from the previous Byzantine administration and so they weren’t feudal states. It had the same rank of a kingdom and so it didn’t recognise any power above them (they claimed the summa potestas).

Each judicate was ruled by a judike (or judikessa if female), that was the king (or to be more precise a “supreme magistrate”). He was elected by the Corona de Logu, a parliament composed by representatives of each Curadoria (administrative districts), clergymen, castellans and two representatives from the capital elected by the judike. The election criteria were based on a mixed elective-hereditary system following the direct male line and, only alternatively, the female line. The parliament also had the task of supervising the sovereign's actions.

The judike did not have possession over the land nor he was the repository of sovereignty since this was formally held by the Corona de Logu. He ruled on the basis of a pact with the people (the bannus-consensus) and if he violated it, he could have been ousted or, in cases of serious acts of tyranny and abuse, even legitimately executed, without this affecting the hereditary transmission of the title within the ruling dynasty (yes, this actually happened). He could not declare war, sign peace treaties or dispose of the Judicate assets without the permission of the Corona de Logu.

Each judicate also had a written legal code (comparable to a constitution): the Carta de Logu, a collection of penal, public, civil and land regulations. The Carta de Logu of the Judicate of Arborea, promulgated by the judikessa Eleanor of Arborea in 1392, is the most famous and important one as it was in force in all of Sardinia until it was superseded by the code of King Charles Felix in April 1827.

So, in short, the judicate can be considered as a proto-constitutional monarchy.

As I previously said, the only living judicate in 1337 was Arborea, the Kingdom of Sardinia was a feudal state and, while it had a relative autonomy from the Crown, it was organized similarly to other kingdoms in continental Europe (while some customs were kept, like the Carta de Logu or some of the previous administrative organization).

Proposals

  • Add the four judicates as releasables
  • Add Sardinian localized names (Judike for king, Corona de Logu for parliament, etc.)
  • Represent the Judicate of Arborea (and other releasable judicates) as a sort of constitutional monarchy, with a parliament and a “constitution” (I’m sure there will be laws that unlock parliaments and constitutions), and with its elective-hereditary succession system

Political​

This was the political setup of Sardinia in 1337:

View attachment 1145169

We had four different nations still present, the Kingdom of Sardinia extended over the previous Pisan territory (old judicates of Calari and Gallura) plus the city of Thathari, the Judicate of Arborea instead had owned big chunks of land in the centre-west of the island and the Doria, a powerful Genoese family, ruled over some land where once there was the Judicate of Torres. The Malaspina still had little holdings in the north-west, but they were on the brink of their end.

  • Kingdom of Sardinia (and Corsica): its capital was in Calari (where the parliament was instituted in 1355). It was a feudal state, ruled in 1337 by the Catalan governor Ramon de Ribelles until 1418, when a viceroy was appointed. The Kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica (Regnum Sardiniae et Corsicae) was created in 1297 by pope Boniface VIII and its crown was conceded de jure to the king James II of Aragon; it was established de facto after the war won against Pisa and Genoa, in 1326. In 1479 it was renamed to just “Kingdom of Sardinia”, as Corsica was never taken from Genoa, despite many attempts.
  • Judicate of Arborea: its capital was in Aristanis. It had the previously discussed form of government and at the time was ruled by Pedru III de Bas-Serra (the latter is the dynasty name).
  • The Doria (Genoa): their “capital” was in Castelgenovese. They were an important family from Genoa that took control of some of the land where once there was the judicate of Torres. They ruled this land as a personal possession but for game purpose maybe it should be considered Genoa territory.
  • The Malaspina (Aragon): they were a powerful Italian family that gained control of some territory during the dissolution of the judicate of Torres. In 1337 they were left with few territories in the Lugudoro region (Torres), centred around the castle of Osilo. In 1343 they were annexed into the K. of Sardinia.
Representing the K. of Sardinia as a PU under the Crown of Aragon is not only historically accurate, but it would also represent better the events that has seen the kingdom basically transferred first to the Austrians and then to the Piedmontese in the XVIII century. The kingdom existed continuously until 1847 when, with the “Fusione Perfetta” (meaning “perfect fusion” in Italian) it was integrated into the continental states of Savoy and Piedmont, similarly to what the English Crown did in Ireland with the Act of Union in 1800.

Proposals

  • Make the Kingdom of Sardinia a PU under Aragon. It should be of Sardinian culture, but its “institutions” should be similar to the Crown of Aragon
  • Here you can either make the Doria be their own “nation” (as they technically were) or, for the sake of simplicity, portray their territories as directly owned by Genoa
  • The same goes for the Malaspina, they technically were vassals under the K. of Sardinia, but you can also portray them as a directly owned territory by the K. of Sardinia

View attachment 1145172
(locations names in the second picture might be wrong)

Diplomacy​

The Kingdom of Sardinia was a in a PU under the Crown of Aragon. It had a claim over all of Sardinia and Corsica.

Aragon and Arborea were allies but the latter were already suspicious, as they felt threatened by the Aragonese expansion. This alliance was very unequal, in the eyes of the Aragonese it was a vassalage although Arborea was still de facto independent. For these reasons, Arborea will wage war against the K. of Sardinia in 1353, after less than 15 years since the start date.

The Doria were very hostile to the Kingdom of Sardinia, they fought in 1329 and they will fight again (winning this time) in 1347. In 1353 they allied with Arborea.

The Malaspina were vassals of the Aragonese king until 1343, when their territories were inherited by the latter and incorporated into the Kingdom of Sardinia.

Also, Sardinia was one of the areas that suffered the most from incursions of Barbary pirates and this problem lasted during the whole game timeframe, for this reason most coastal towns were abandoned in favour of more inland and defensible positions (this also led to a lot of areas becoming marshy and, for this reason, there was a consequent greater spread of malaria).

Proposals

  • Alliance between Arborea and K. of Sardinia/Crown of Aragon (depending on how PU will work), although their relations should start to deteriorate in the following years
  • The Doria (Genoa) should be very antagonistic against the Aragonese and they should start to close ties with Arborea in the following years
  • The K. of Sardinia should have a claim over the entirety of Sardinia and Corsica
  • The Doria (Genoa) should have a claim over Thathari

Demography​

According to most sources I found, the island had between 300.000 inhabitants (to be fair, estimates go from 200.000 to 500.000).

The most important and populous cities were Thathari, Aristanis, Calari, Igresias, Castelgenovese and Bosa. Thathari was the most populous city, it counted at least 10.000 inhabitants. Also, Terranoa was considered as quasi civitas, almost a city (less important than the ones I’ve presented).

The population ratio between cities and countryside was between 1 to 3 and 1 to 5. However, during the XIV century, the new economic setup brought by the Aragonese, the many wars that were fought and the Black Death (which killed 1/3 to 1/2 of the total population) provoked a progressive abandonment of many villages (10/12% of them) and a consequent centralization of the population. During the end of the XIV century and the start of the XV 55/60% of rural villages were abandoned.

2/3 of the population were serfs.

Population growth was kept low by the malaria.

It had always been a problem since pre-Roman times, but in the late Middle Ages the problem became even worse. During the previous centuries the Barbary pirate’s incursions caused the abandonment of the coasts and this made them become marshy. This, together with the naturally humid climate and the already very sparse population, led to an even worse proliferation of malaria, in the coasts and in the plains.

Proposals

Just consider the info I provided, unfortunately I couldn’t find more detailed and specifical data for population numbers, I will update it in the case

Culture​

Sardinian was the main language in the island. It was the language of the elites even in places where other languages were spoken (like in Sassari).

The majority of the population was Sardinian.

There were communities of Tuscans especially in Igresias, but also in Calari, Orisei and Terranoa, and in general there were small communities in all the territory controlled by the K. of Sardinia, as it was almost all Pisan territory until some decades prior to 1337. Also, Bosa had a small community of Tuscans.

There were communities of Ligurians in Alighera, Castelgenovese. A small community also in Aristanis

There were communities of Catalans in Calari and Thathari. In Igresias they were the 5%.

In the end of the XIV century Calari and Alighera have seen a huge influx of Catalan immigrants (especially the latter, where they became the majority).

There were big communities of Corsicans in the north of Gallura, especially in Lungoni, Tempiu and Terranoa.

Also, Castelgenovese had a smaller community of Corsicans. Thathari and Nurra had probably some small communities too.

Their migration to Sardinia started, at least from what it is documented, in the XIV century and so they should’t be too many. The north of Gallura had the most but they weren’t the majority (at least in 1337).

There were consistent communities of Jews in the major cities until 1492, when the Spanish expelled them. In Calari there were 70 Jew families.

Proposals

  • Corsican people are too many, they weren’t a majority in any part of Sardinia. Their biggest presence was in Lungoni and Tempiu, followed by Terranoa. Also, Castelgenovese, Pasada, Thathari and Nurra should have a Corsican minority (but nothing more). I think this misconception come from the fact that nowadays in these areas the language is very similar to the Corsican language. But, in the XIV Corsicans weren’t that many, Gallura and northern Lugudoro weren’t influenced by Corsican immigrants as they were some decades later. At the time the majority still spoke Sardinian (in the lugudorese variant)
  • Calari should have a majority of Sardinian, but with big minorities of Catalans and Tuscans
  • Igresias should have a huge minority of Tuscans (they founded the city and populated it); Catalans should be only the 5% of the population in the city (so not the whole location, although the city was fairly populous)
  • Aristanis should have a very small community of Ligurians (mostly merchants)
  • Bosa should have a small community of Tuscans
  • Castelgenovese and Alighera should have communities of Ligurians
  • Thatari should have a community of Catalans (probably the 10% of the city’s population)
  • Terranoa and Orisei should have Tuscan communities
  • Some very little numbers of Tuscan pops can be added in other Locations iside the provinces of Calari and Gallura
  • Calari, Thathari and Aristanis should have Jewish communities (in Calari they were 70 families)

Religion​

The religion in the XIV century was Catholic in all the island. Probably some Pagans were still present in the Barbagia region but there aren’t a lot of sources for this and I don’t think that is enough to have a Pagan minority.

Proposals

No change

Military​

Each judicate had a small standing army, composed of an elite force of cavalry (called the Bujakesos). The main armaments were the sword, chain mail, the shield, the helmet, and the birrudu, a weapon similar to the ancient verutum, the Roman javelin.

Proposals

Add a small standing army for the J. of Arborea, composed of an elite force of cavalry (called Bujakesos)

Production​

Economy relied largely on farming: wool, livestock, fur, wild game, and wine were produced.

The interior was rich of woods, it was a great source of lumber.

The curadories of Gippi and Trexenta and the land in Arborea had a rich wheat production. In general, the whole Campidano region had a rich production of cereals.

Calari was known for its salt production. Also Nurra had salt production.

Aristanis and Bosa had wine production.

Bosa had soap production.

Alighera was known for coral harvesting (but not processing).

Igrèsias had one of the most important silver production in Europe: it is estimated that between 5 to 10% of all the silver in Europe at the time came from here. However, it started its decline during the second half of the XIV century as its mines started depleting. Silver was present also in Sarrabus (Chirra) and Nurra.

Sulcis region had coal but it has been extracted only in recent times.

Proposals

  • Alighera: Wheat
  • Aristanis: Wine
  • Belchidda: Lumber
  • Bitzi: Lumber
  • Bosa: Wine
  • Calari: Salt
  • Chirra: Silver
  • Igresias: Silver
  • Nurra: Salt/Silver
  • Ollolai: Fur
  • Orisei: Marble
  • Pauli Gerrei: Lumber
  • Seddori: Wheat
  • Senobri: Wheat
  • Seulu: Lumber
  • Terraba: Wheat
  • Tortoli: Lumber
  • Other locations should be either Wool or Livestock (with at least one Wild Game or Fur in the interior locations)

Trade​

The port of Calari always was “the gate of Sardinia”, most important port in the island, spices, woolen cloth and luxury goods were imported.

A huge quantity of wheat, produced in the Campidano plain, was exported in Italy (this trade route existed since Roman times) especially in Tuscany. Also, salt was one of the most exported products.

As I already mentioned silver was the most profitable good exported (ancient Greeks used to call Sardinia as Argyróphleps nésos, the island of silver veins), at least until the beginning of the XV century.

Other exported goods were cheese, pasta, salted meat, fur, leather, wild game, wool, wine, livestock, lumber.

So, in summary: the most important goods were silver, wheat and salt; secondly, we have sheep farming products (wool, fur, livestock) and lamber.

Proposals

  • Sardinia being in the Genoa market is 100% accurate, I don’t know why some interior locations are in the Naples market but I guess it is a bug
  • Sardinia should export a lot of silver (5% of the silver in Europe only from Igresias mines), salt and wheat; other goods previously mentioned were exported but weren’t as important

Locations and Provinces​

The principal administrative division in Sardinia was the Curadoria: I think this should be the basis for PC locations. This administrative system was definitively abandoned in the XV century, after the last judicate of Arborea was conquered, and it was replaced by the imposition of feudal institutions. However, the Curadorias are still the basis on which the “historical regions” of the island are shaped.
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I merged many curadorias with the purpose of having the right number of locations, with an area of more or less 500km2 (as most of other locations), while also taking into account historical borders (in 1337 but also previous borders)

Regarding provinces, we can have four (Calari, Arborea, Lugudoro, Gallura), reflecting the four judicates, or five, if we want to have also Barbagia, a region with its own peculiarities and history that differed a lot from the rest of the island. I find the first cleaner and better to avoid bordergore but the second reflects better the history of the island. I will not dive too deep into it, I will just say that Barbagia is a region that, since Roman times (or even Carthaginian) was considered its own thing, separated from the rest of the island (Barbagia derives from the latin word “Barbaria”, land of the barbarians, opposed to “Romania”, Roman territory or, in this case, the rest of the island)

For informational purposes only, a map of Romania and Barbaria division (it lasted until VII century)

Proposals


Personally I prefer the division in the first picture as it is cleaner:
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Topography​

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Proposals
Sardinia is much more mountainous than this, here is what I think topography should look like:

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*Carali can be also Flatland



Vegetation


Proposals

In the XIV century Sardinia vegetation was much denser than todays (huge deforestation happened much later with the Piedmontese), here is what Sardinia should have looked like according to the sources I found (and some personal knowledge of the territory):
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Localization


Here you have some localization in Sardinia to give some flavour to the region (also, some of the current locations names didn’t even exist back then, like Carbonia and Olbia). I have put the names of the most important cities or the curadorias capitals.

Judike:


singular​
plural​
male​
judikejudikes
female​
judikissajudikissas



Location names:


Sardinian
Italian
Catalan
AligheraAlgheroAlguer
ArdaraArdara
AristanisOristanoOristany
BelchiddaBerchidda
BitziBitti
BosaBosaBosa
CàlariCallari / Castel di CastroCàller / Castell de Càller
CasteddugenovesuCastelgenoveseCastellaragonès
ChirraQuirraQuirra
FordongianusFordongianusFordongianus
Igrèsias / Bidda de CresiaVilla di Chiesa / ChiesaEsgleyes / Vila d'Esgleyes
LaconiLaconiLaconi
LungoniLongosardoLongosard
Nuor/NugorNuoroNuoro
OllollaiOllolaiOllolai
OriseiOroseiOrusei
OsileOsiloOsilo
PasadaPasadaPasada
Pauli Gerrei
SenobrìSenorbìSenorbì
SeuluSeuloSeulo
TempiuTempioTemple
TerrabaTerralbaTerralba
TerranoaTerranovaTerranoa
ThathariSassariSàsser
TortolìTortolìTortolì
TrataliasTrataliasTratalias

Male names:


Sardinian
Italian
Catalan
English
AndriaAndreaAndreuAndrew
AntioguAntiocoAntiocAntiochus
AntoniAntonioAntoniAnthony
BaingiuGavinoGavíGavin
BaroreSalvatoreSalvadorSalvator
BarusoneBarisoneBerenguerBarisan
BasileBasilioBasiliBasil
CaraluCarloCarlesCharles
ComitaComitaComteComita
CostantineCostantinoConstantíConstantine
EnzuEnzoEnçHenry
FerdinanduFerdinandoFerranFerdinand
FideliFedericoFredericFrederick
FranziscuFrancescoFrancescFrancis
GiaguGiacomoJaumeJames
GunnareGonarioGonariGonarius
GugliermuGuglielmoGuillemWilliam
IsteveneStefanoEsteveStephen
IthoccorItocorroIocorItocorre
JuanneGiovanniJoanJohn
LenarduLeonardoLlenardLeonard
MarianeMarianoMarianMarianus
OrzocorOrzoccoOrçocOrzoccor
PedruPietroPerePeter
RamunduRaimondoRamonRaymond
SalusiSalusioSaluciSalusius
SergiuSergioSergiSergius
ThomasTommasoTomàsThomas
TorbenuTorbenoTorbenTorben
TrogodòriTorchitorioTorcitoriTorchitorius
TruiscuEnricoEnricHenry
UgoneUgoneHugHugh
ZusepeGiuseppeJosepJoseph



Female names:


Sardinian
Italian
Catalan
English
AdelasiaAdelasiaAdelasiaAdelisia
AgalbursaAgalbursaAgalbursaAgalbursa
AgnesaAgneseAgnèsAgnes
AnnicaAnnaAnnaAnne
BeneitaBenedettaBenetaBenedicte
BiataBeatriceBeatriuBeatrice
CadalinaCaterinaCaterinaKatherine
CostantzaCostanzaConstançaConstance
EleneElenaElenaHelen
ElianoraEleonoraElionorEleanor
FranziscaFrancescaFrancescaFrances
LughiaLuciaLlúciaLucy
MariaMariaMariaMary
ZuanniccaGiovanniccaJoanicaJohanna



*Names in Catalan language might be wrong*



References


2023, Il tempo dei giudicati. La Sardegna medievale dal X al XV secolo d.C., Ilisso



https://www.wikipedia.org/



https://rime.cnr.it/index.php/rime/article/view/78/134



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https://www.alguer.it/info/algheroneltempo/ilnomedialghero.html



https://www.sardegnadigitallibrary.it/documenti/17_161_20080610112616.pdf



https://www.amezena.net/storia-di/breve-storia-dei-rapporti-fra-genova-e-la-sardegna/



https://books.google.it/books?hl=it&lr=&id=fw4XuEbKnQwC&oi=fnd&pg=PP11&dq=natural+resources+sardinia+middle+ages&ots=rYbVRgq6f2&sig=htEutUJxoY8KBO5lMzN-ia7rFHs&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=natural resources sardinia middle ages&f=false



https://books.google.it/books?hl=it&lr=&id=LjQBAAAAQAAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA3&dq=natural+resources+sardinia+middle+ages&ots=9UOcun-Jrv&sig=ER-n8eelPsLxJXffgcTPceCP-s0&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=natural resources sardinia middle ages&f=false



https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/11686433.pdf



http://www.rmoa.unina.it/2677/1/campus.pdf



https://www.sardegnadigitallibrary.it/detail/6499b87ce487374c8f8015b9



https://www.sardegnaforeste.it/noti...chive-un-altro-po-di-storia-dei-nostri-boschi



https://iris.uniss.it/retrieve/e1dc...5fe0ac7a3/Grassi_E_economia_a_sassari_dal.pdf



https://www.academia.edu/984526/_Sardegna_e_spazi_economici_nel_Medioevo_una_rilettura_problematica



https://www.academia.edu/102955618/Villaggi_centri_minori_e_città_nella_Sardegna_bassomedievale_Demografia_economia_società_XI_XV_secolo_



https://iris.unica.it/retrieve/7a6dcf79-ec48-4148-baa0-d98c4288a6be/Mameli_ArcheoArte_4.pdf



https://www.scuolafilosofica.com/682/la-malaria-nella-sardegna-medioevale



https://www.academia.edu/102955618/Villaggi_centri_minori_e_città_nella_Sardegna_bassomedievale_Demografia_economia_società_XI_XV_secolo_
Excellent work, giudice!
 
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As my colleague ArcticKnight has already touched on Lower Styria (Spodnja Štajerska), I will also make another comment. Ptuj (marked with olive green color) known in German as Pettau was under Salzburg in 1337. In 1479, Ptuj was attacked by Hungary and held until 1490, when it was appropriated by the Habsburgs. Ptuj would potentially be another area that could fit into the game. The good that could be produced there would be wine.


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This map shows the ethnic territory of the Slovenes between the 12th and 15th centuries. Pink is old German colonization, pink dotted fields are German colonization between the 12th and 15th centuries. The green striped color is an additional conolization of the Slovenes.
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I hope I was helpful.
Woah, you found a great map representing the ethnic/cultural situation in that time period. As I thought, the area around Celovec/Klagenfurt seems to be heavily Slovene at eu5 start date. Also regarding Ptuj, making it its own location would make a lot of sense, especially since, compared to Maribor, which is today the 2nd largest city, Ptuj in 1337 was a lot more important. At eu5 start date, Maribor as a city is relatively young, it only gained city rights in 1254, while Ptuj is one of the few cities in Slovenia with a continued history as a city since Roman times. it was strategically very important as having an important bridge across the Drava/Drau river. It was also an important power base of the Salzburg Archbishopric to spread its influence over the wider Styrian region. So it would make sense to add Ptuj as a location (without removing Maribor), and giving it to Salzburg, or alternativelly, add a new country called Ptuj, ruled by the Lords of Ptuj (Ptujski gospodje/gospodje Ptujski), who were Salzburg ministerials (probably spelled that wrong), basically they were ruling over Ptuj in the name of the archbishop of Salzburg, so maybe they could be like a subject of Salzburg or something.
 
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Looking forward to play with Arborea! I am originally from Sardinia and I wanted to congratulate on the work you did on the island which looks really detailed compared to previous instances of your games and what I’m particularly impressed by is the Corsican presence on the northern part of the island which developed to today into the hybrid Gallurese culture and language which is definitely an impressive detail! Your historical team needs a weekly talk aswel just so we know how you manage to find these very small but precious details :)
Thank you very much for the kind words! We're trying to do our best to portray the geographical and historical situation of the world in 1337, and with the feedback and support of the community, we think that we might be able to nail it. :)
 
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