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Here I will collate all of my knowledge about India and attempt the help the devs to represent India in as accurate a manner as possible. However, most of my expertise is about Bengal so others are welcome and encouraged to contribute.

BENGAL IN 1337

Background:

Bengal (and Tirhut) had been reconquered by the Delhi Sultanate under the Tughluqs from Bahadur Shah by 1325, and Nasiruddin had been reinstated on the throne of Lakhnauti while Satgaon and Banga (Sonargaon) were placed under the loyal general Bahram Khan alias Tatar Khan, who was given the task of directly annexing the two provinces into the Delhi Sultanate. Unfortunately for Bahram, he was the adopted son of Ghiyasuddin Tughluq, who had been assassinated by Muhammad bin Tughluq - thus, he and Nasiruddin (proteges of Ghiyas) were seen as a threat by the Sultan. Muhammad released Bahadur Shah and made him the governor of Sonargaon which he was to rule in cooperation with Bahram Khan. He also appointed Qadar Khan Khilji as the feudatory of Lakhnauti - and while Nasiruddin nominally remained Sultan, all the power rested with Qadar Khan; a fact made official with Nasiruddin's death post 1328. Furthermore he appointed Izzuddin Yahya as the feudatory of Satgaon.

Post-1337:
By 1337, Bengal was partitioned in three - Sonargaon under Bahram Khan (Bahadur Shah had attempted to rebel and in 1328 and had been killed), Satgaon under Izzuddin and Lakhnauti under Qadar Khan. Bahram died in 1338 and was succeeded by his right-hand man Fakhruddin, self-titled Mubarak Shah, who rebelled the next year and was expelled by the combined army of Lakhnauti and Satgaon. Sonargaon came under Qadar Khan's rule. His armies had looted a large amount, and he was advised to send most of it to the Imperial Treasury after distributing some of it among his soldiers. He decided to do neither; hence, instigated by Fakhruddin, his soldiers rose up and slew him. Fakhruddin regained Sonargaon - the independent Sultan did not receive any repercussions from Muhammad bin Tughluq, who was by then supposed by many to be half-mad. Lakhnauti fell to Ali Mubarak, Qadar Khan's paymaster. By then, all three of the Bengali substates were basically independent.

The Ilyas Shahis:
In 1342 Shamsuddin Ilyas Shah ascended the throne of Lakhnauti. The heartland of the Delhi Sultanate was in turmoil - the Rajas of Gorakhpur, Champaran and Tirhut had thrown off the shackles of vassalage and declared their independence. Shamsuddin relocated the capital to Pandua - then he attacked Tirhut, which was being fought over by Shakti Sinh, based out of Simraon; and Kamesvara, based out of Sugaon near Madhubani. He went on raids to pillage the holy sites in Kathmandu Valley and Puri in Odisha. Gorakhpur and Champaran agreed to shift their allegiances to Shamsuddin, and in 1353 he conquered Sonargaon. A larger threat was on the horizon, however: Muhammad bin Tughluq had been succeed by Firuz Shah Tughluq, who was determined to bring back Bengal to the fold. Although Firuz slew up to 180,000 Bengalis and even temporarily dislodged Shamsuddin from his capital , he failed to reannex Bengal. Six years later, Firuz made another attempt to restore the delta to Delhi’s authority, but he was again rebuffed, this time by Shamsuddin's son and successor, Sikandar Shah (r. 1357–89). Post 1359, Delhi left Bengal alone for nearly two centuries; the Ilyas Shahis had won Bengal's freedom.

Sources: A History of Bengal (Vol. II) by Sir Jadunath Sarkar
The Rise of Islam and the Bengal Frontier by R. Eaton


LOCATIONS IN BENGAL
The most important cities in Bengal were usually mint towns, and luckily we have a list of them ordered by first mention - although some of their names have no basis in history and are completely modern.

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Sources: The Rise of Islam and the Bengal Frontier by R. Eaton
For other minor locations or non-mint cities, we have to refer to Ain-i-Akbari and select the most likely ones. However, this will take me some time - so I'm not posting it now. I will post it along with my suggestion for resources and cultures in Bengal. After that, onto Assam!
 

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Btw a few notes on the mint cities list:
1. Pandua went under MANY names - Pandua (ofc), Hazrat Pandua, Firuzabad and Husainabad to name a few. So I feel it's best to just name it Pandua.
2. Calcutta is DEFINITELY not this old - it was probably some long-forgotten city on top of which Calcutta was built.
3. Dhaka was not really prominent this early, overshadowed by Bikrampur and Sonargaon.
4. Just call Nusratabad Ghoraghat.
5. THERE WAS NO MYMENSINGH IN 1337. MYMENSINGH WAS NAMED AFTER RAJA MOMIN SINGH, IN THE 1790s!
6. Murshidabad would be anachronistic too, since it was named after Murshid Quli Khan in the mid-18th century. Makhsudabad would be a better name - though it was founded by Akbar so it does not exist from the start.
 
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Alright, I changed my mind: resources first, then minor locations.
My primary sources here will be Ain-i-Akbari by Abul Fazl (specifically from this page onwards) and Husain Shahi Bengal by Momtazur Rahman Tarafdar.
Yellow for Place, Green for goods.
Ain-i-Akbari:
(ALL PLACES BELOW ARE MUGHAL SARKARS i.e. PROVINCES, NOT LOCATIONS)
The most obvious good is rice - practically all the farmlands should be dedicated to the cultivation of rice. Also in similarly large quantities should be fish - primarily freshwater, though seawater fish is not uncommon in coastal areas. Moreover, wheat and sturdy grains would likely be rarely grown here. [p. 122 "Their staple food is rice and fish ; wheat, barley and the like not being esteemed wholesome."]
[p. 123]
It is mentioned that long pepper grew in the Mahmudabad tract (North Nadia, North Jessore and West Faridpur), so spices seem like a fitting RGO there.
Khalifatabad/Bagerhat (South Jessore and West Bakarganj) possessed herds of wild elephant - so elephants, ivory and lumber as a good seem ideal. Well, these goods should only be in the jungle/forest provinces and not the urban/farmland ones.
Bakla/Bagla "extends along the sea shore. The fort is surrounded by woods."
[p. 124]
In
Ghoraghat (South Rangpur, South-East Dinajpur and North Bogra), silk was produced. AFAIK however, this is silk cloth, while silk fabric was produced from silkworms in Murshidabad-Malda-Rajshahi Belt. Also, fruits were grown.
In
Barbakabad (mainly Rajshahi, South-west Bogra and South-east Malda) "Gangajal" cloth was manufactured and oranges were grown.
Both Ain and Husain Shahi Bengal mention an
iron mine in Bazuha/Bazoha (Partly Rajshahi, Bogra, Pabna and Dhaka). Moreover, they had "extensive forests which furnish long and thick timbers of which masts are made".

Sonargaon was famous for its cloth manufacture.
[p. 125]

Sylhet supplied eunuchs, oranges, china-root and lumber.
Chatgaon (Chittagong) was an important port city, surrounded by woods.
Sharifabad (mainly Burdwan) was famous for its livestock: "[In Sharifabad] is a beautiful species of cattle, white in colour, and of a fine build : like camels they are laden kneeling down and carry fifteen mans of weight. It is noted for the Barbary goat and for fighting cocks."
Satgaon had two major ports at Satgaon and Hugli. It was also famous for its pomegranates.
The most interesting thing I found: "In the Sarkar of
Madaran (Bankura, Vishnupur, South-east Burdwan) is a place called Harpah in which there is a diamond mine producing chiefly very small stones."

Husain Shahi Bengal:
Clay was a very important resource; Bengal lacked major stone sources, so palaces and forts were usually made of brick-clay - the major source being
Birbhum, Bankura and Purulia.
Bengal exported
rice, wheat, cotton clothes, silk , sugar [p. 141], "lacca" or cochineal i.e. dyes, myrobolans, long pepper and frankincense. [p. 145]
Bengal imported
salt, diamonds, emeralds, pearls and other gems. [p. 143]
Major industrial products included
cloth, refined sugar, jewellery, steel guns, cutlery, stone-carvings, woven-silk, bark-paper and shipbuilding. [p. 147 to p. 150]
Cotton WAS grown in Bengal; however the exact location was not mentioned.

Further Resources:
George Watt’s Dictionary of the Economic Products of India, says: "
Cotton was formerly grown in the Dacca and Mymensingh districts, in a large tract of land…very well suited the plant. The cotton raised here…was the finest known in the world and formed the material out of which the Dacca…muslin was manufactured."

The Bengali work Kavikankana-Chandi says, "Boats were built with the timbers of jackfruit, piyal, sal and other trees.’ It further says, ‘Some boats were hundred yards long and twenty yards wide’. The prows of the vessels had the faces of various animals carved on them and decorated with valuable stones, ivory, silver and even gold."
In 1521 CE the Portuguese found ‘extensive sugar plantations’ while travelling from Chittagong to Gaur. This is consistent with the declarations that Bengal was the largest sugar producer in India.
 
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Don't forget to post it in the appropriate Tinto Maps, as the devs has been quite explicit about prefering feed back there as to not miss any good suggestions.
 
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This comment is mainly just as a placeholder. I will be updating it with the history of Garhwal and later Kumaon.

Due to the general disinterest in writing history by the Hindu kings, we have very few sources to tell us. This is one area where the Himalayan region differs from the mainland population of India. Uttarakhand has an ancient tradition of recording major points in history, be they wars or just major personalities, in the form of Jagars, Panwaras, etc. These are oral recordings of histories, sung during cermonies.

Most of the sources are not in english and books, in general are rare.

Also this is a general question of mine to the staff, @Johan, for the regions where we have little to no written sources, would these oral accounts be taken as evidence?
 
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Here I will collate the all of my knowledge about India and attempt the help the devs to represent India in as accurate a manner as possible. However, most of my expertise is about Bengal so others are welcome and encouraged to contribute.

BENGAL IN 1337

Background:

Bengal (and Tirhut) had been reconquered by the Delhi Sultanate under the Tughluqs from Bahadur Shah by 1325, and Nasiruddin had been reinstated on the throne of Lakhnauti while Satgaon and Banga (Sonargaon) were placed under the loyal general Bahram Khan alias Tatar Khan, who was given the task of directly annexing the two provinces into the Delhi Sultanate. Unfortunately for Bahram, he was the adopted son of Ghiyasuddin Tughluq, who had been assassinated by Muhammad bin Tughluq - thus, he and Nasiruddin (proteges of Ghiyas) were seen as a threat by the Sultan. Muhammad released Bahadur Shah and made him the governor of Sonargaon which he was to rule in cooperation with Bahram Khan. He also appointed Qadar Khan Khilji as the feudatory of Lakhnauti - and while Nasiruddin nominally remained Sultan, all the power rested with Qadar Khan; a fact made official with Nasiruddin's death post 1328. Furthermore he appointed Izzuddin Yahya as the feudatory of Satgaon.

Post-1337:
By 1337, Bengal was partitioned in three - Sonargaon under Bahram Khan (Bahadur Shah had attempted to rebel and in 1328 and had been killed), Satgaon under Izzuddin and Lakhnauti under Qadar Khan. Bahram died in 1338 and was succeeded by his right-hand man Fakhruddin, self-titled Mubarak Shah, who rebelled the next year and was expelled by the combined army of Lakhnauti and Satgaon. Sonargaon came under Qadar Khan's rule. His armies had looted a large amount, and he was advised to send most of it to the Imperial Treasury after distributing some of it among his soldiers. He decided to do neither; hence, instigated by Fakhruddin, his soldiers rose up and slew him. Fakhruddin regained Sonargaon - the independent Sultan did not receive any repercussions from Muhammad bin Tughluq, who was by then supposed by many to be half-mad. Lakhnauti fell to Ali Mubarak, Qadar Khan's paymaster. By then, all three of the Bengali substates were basically independent.

The Ilyas Shahis:
In 1342 Shamsuddin Ilyas Shah ascended the throne of Lakhnauti. The heartland of the Delhi Sultanate was in turmoil - the Rajas of Gorakhpur, Champaran and Tirhut had thrown off the shackles of vassalage and declared their independence. Shamsuddin relocated the capital to Pandua - then he attacked Tirhut, which was being fought over by Shakti Sinh, based out of Simraon; and Kamesvara, based out of Sugaon near Madhubani. He went on raids to pillage the holy sites in Kathmandu Valley and Puri in Odisha. Gorakhpur and Champaran agreed to shift their allegiances to Shamsuddin, and in 1353 he conquered Sonargaon. A larger threat was on the horizon, however: Muhammad bin Tughluq had been succeed by Firuz Shah Tughluq, who was determined to bring back Bengal to the fold. Although Firuz slew up to 180,000 Bengalis and even temporarily dislodged Shamsuddin from his capital , he failed to reannex Bengal. Six years later, Firuz made another attempt to restore the delta to Delhi’s authority, but he was again rebuffed, this time by Shamsuddin's son and successor, Sikandar Shah (r. 1357–89). Post 1359, Delhi left Bengal alone for nearly two centuries; the Ilyas Shahis had won Bengal's freedom.

Sources: A History of Bengal (Vol. II) by Sir Jadunath Sarkar
The Rise of Islam and the Bengal Frontier by R. Eaton


LOCATIONS IN BENGAL
The most important cities in Bengal were usually mint towns, and luckily we have a list of them ordered by first mention - although some of their names have no basis in history and are completely modern.

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Sources: The Rise of Islam and the Bengal Frontier by R. Eaton
For other minor locations or non-mint cities, we have to refer to Ain-i-Akbari and select the most likely ones. However, this will take me some time - so I'm not posting it now. I will post it along with my suggestion for resources and cultures in Bengal. After that, onto Assam!
india is so underrepresented and flavor lacking imo in Eu4. For a region with the complexity of Europe it should have way more flavor/depth.
 
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More like a few months :)
I do hope y'all change your mind about doing just a single map for the subcontinent, when it's around half the size of Europe - and y'all DID do separate maps for the western European countries...
A North-East-South division would be best, although a north-south division would be well received too...
 
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I recommend to give India and China one thread for each. It’s out of the topic concern, since most of us can participate in any map of Europe, while only few of us have knowledge on what should India or China be like.

As long as devs can keep collecting information for weeks, it’d be fine.
 
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since most of us can participate in any map of Europe, while only few of us have knowledge on what should India or China be like.
Not so sure about that, to be honest. I actually don't even open the Map threads at all; I know next to nothing about Europe with a sufficient level of historical rigor that'd be required to participate.

I do agree with the second portion of your comment - however, in retort, I would make the argument that because there are so few people splitting it up makes some sense. I could participate in a pan-Indian thread, sure, but I would entirely be focused on South India and simply wouldn't be able to find the time to look over the North. Conversely splitting it up gives the few people that there are an extra week to go over sources about places they may not be already intimately familiar with. Now yes, the Maps threads will be looked over by the devs even weeks after, but I'm sure that engagement and discussion amongst the users dies down after the new shiny map has been posted.

Anyway, it's something to think about.
 
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Would be nice to see dynamic location naming based on religion (instead of culture) in India, since that'd make a lot more sense (I don't think Gujaratis and Mewaris for example have a lot of differing names for locations, but Hindus and Muslims definitely do). For example, a location could be called Allahabad under Muslim control, and Prayagraj under Hindu control, another example would be Fatehnagar under Muslim rule and Khadki under Hindu rule.

(To model the fact that most of the name changes to more Islamic names happened after the fall of the Delhi Sultanate, you can have the Delhi Sultanate be the exception and still use Hindu location names)
 
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I only have Bengali examples, forgive me :p but here are some:
1. Sonarga (Sonargaon) in Bengali, Suvarnagram in Sanskrit
2. Ojodhya in Bengali, Ayodhya in the Hindustani languages
3. Ujjoyini in Bengali, actually Ujjayini
4. Kamboj in Bengali, either Cambodia or Tonkin and Annam
5. Karnat for Carnatic
6. Kanyokubj for Kanauj
5. Kumarika for Cape Comorin
6. Baranosi for Benaras/Varanasi
7. Malob for Malwa
 
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I only have Bengali examples, forgive me :p but here are some:
1. Sonarga (Sonargaon) in Bengali, Suvarnagram in Sanskrit
2. Ojodhya in Bengali, Ayodhya in the Hindustani languages
3. Ujjoyini in Bengali, actually Ujjayini
4. Kamboj in Bengali, either Cambodia or Tonkin and Annam
5. Karnat for Carnatic
6. Kanyokubj for Kanauj
5. Kumarika for Cape Comorin
6. Baranosi for Benaras/Varanasi
7. Malob for Malwa
I see, so I guess location names do change in certain instances based on the language used. Hopefully the devs can have both culture and religion factor into Indian location names then.
 
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Also, I have a question for all of you who might know more about Rajasthani history than me. Given that Gujarati and Rajasthani only diverged from Old Western Rajasthani in the 13th century, would the various Rajasthani dialects that exist today be around yet? It probably shouldn't just be one huge Rajasthani cultural bloc, but perhaps it'd be more accurate to merge some modern dialects of Rajasthani that may have not really existed in 1337 (like maybe merge Marwari and Shekhawati, for example).
 
Also, I have a question for all of you who might know more about Rajasthani history than me. Given that Gujarati and Rajasthani only diverged from Old Western Rajasthani in the 13th century, would the various Rajasthani dialects that exist today be around yet? It probably shouldn't just be one huge Rajasthani cultural bloc, but perhaps it'd be more accurate to merge some modern dialects of Rajasthani that may have not really existed in 1337 (like maybe merge Marwari and Shekhawati, for example).
No idea about Rajasthani, but the cultural map of India they showed did have the different dialects as distinct cultures.
 
I see, so I guess location names do change in certain instances based on the language used. Hopefully the devs can have both culture and religion factor into Indian location names then.
Yeah, though you were more right, in that religion is (usually) a bigger factor, unless it's two very distinct cultures like Awadhi and Bengali or Marathi and Tamil, for example. You won't have many differences between Awadhi and Bhojpuri, certainly.