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Hi! What's better than having Tinto Maps on a Friday? I think that getting more maps on a Thursday might do the trick. :cool:

As in previous feedback posts, here is the list of changes:

Added the following new locations (141):
  1. montreuil
  2. corbie
  3. breteuil
  4. peronne
  5. nesle
  6. crepy
  7. fecamp
  8. louviers
  9. bernay
  10. laigle
  11. st_sylvain
  12. st_sauveur
  13. belleme
  14. Montmorency
  15. brie_comte_robert
  16. corbeil
  17. villaines
  18. st_sable
  19. chateau_du_loir
  20. le_lude
  21. blain
  22. beaupreau
  23. passavant
  24. beauvoir
  25. mauleon_poitou
  26. talmont
  27. st_pol_de_leon
  28. le_faou
  29. chateaulin
  30. carhaix
  31. quimperle
  32. hennebont
  33. chatelaudren
  34. monfort_sur_meu
  35. fougeres
  36. auneau
  37. vitry_aux_loges
  38. sully
  39. romorantin
  40. vierzon
  41. st_aignan
  42. chatillon_sur_indre
  43. lignieres
  44. boussac
  45. sancoins
  46. st_pierre_de_moutier
  47. avallon
  48. montreuillon
  49. cercy
  50. montcenis
  51. aignay
  52. arnay
  53. beaune
  54. auxonne
  55. louhans
  56. rosnay
  57. villemaur
  58. choiseul
  59. grancey
  60. montbozon
  61. etain
  62. fresnes
  63. ligny
  64. sarreguemines
  65. morhange
  66. vic_sur_seille
  67. luneville
  68. darney
  69. arches
  70. lichtenberg
  71. benfeld
  72. colmar
  73. murbach
  74. mulhouse
  75. st_jean_dangely
  76. lusignan
  77. aulnay
  78. charroux
  79. rochefort
  80. cognac
  81. chabanais
  82. jonzac
  83. brosse
  84. st_leonard
  85. aixe
  86. chambon
  87. ussel
  88. jaligny
  89. montaigut
  90. vichy
  91. st_gerand
  92. herment
  93. vic_le_comte
  94. allegre
  95. chalancon
  96. bage
  97. perreux
  98. villars
  99. thoire
  100. feurs
  101. riverie
  102. la_tour_du_pin
  103. romans
  104. privas
  105. montlaur
  106. la_mure
  107. condorcet
  108. mevouillon
  109. castelnau_de_medoc
  110. benauges
  111. riberac
  112. thiviers
  113. limeuil
  114. sarlat
  115. belin
  116. marmande
  117. montflanquin
  118. aire
  119. orthez
  120. gourdon
  121. peyrusse
  122. entraigues
  123. verdun_sur_garonne
  124. villemur
  125. lautrec
  126. st_affrique
  127. nogaro
  128. aspet
  129. peyre
  130. chateauneuf_de_randon
  131. florac
  132. st_ambroix
  133. fenouillet
  134. apt
  135. tarascon
  136. brignoles
  137. barjols
  138. draguignan
  139. castellane
  140. puget_theniers
  141. bonifacio
Added the following Lakes and Impassables:
  • hourtin_carcans_lake
  • lagoon_of_sanguinet
  • lagoon_of_bages_sigean
  • lagoon_of_salses
  • lagoon_of_vaccares
  • lagoon_of_berre
  • massif_central
  • dore_mountains
  • vercors_massif
  • vivarais_mountains
  • maritime_alps1
  • cottian_alps1
  • graian_alps1
  • dauphine_alps1
  • dauphine_alps2
  • pennine_alps1

Added the following TAGs (5):
  • Bearn
  • Ferrette
  • La Marche
  • Mont de Marsan
  • Perche

Reviewed:
  • Vegetation and Topography
  • Setup
  • Pops
  • Raw Goods
  • Added Cathar Pops and Religion

As a note, after the review, the location density in France is more aligned with that of Iberia, while still not as high as that of the Low Countries, Germany, and Italy. As I mentioned in previous posts, this DOES NOT mean that we will be adding hundreds of new locations in each review, but that we're trying to level a map of which their first locations were added back in 2020, so we get a smooth transition between the most dense and the less dense regions.

Without further ado, maps:

Countries:
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We've added a few minor countries; Béarn and Mont de Marsan are PUs of Foix, La Marche is a PU of Bourbonnais, and Perche is a PU of Alençon. Apart from that, the ruler of Ferrette/Pfirt is Joanna of Pfirt, spouse and consort of Duke Albrecht II of Austria, therefore starting on a PU with him. There are also a few meaningful changes in the shape of some countries, of which the ones for Auvergne probably are the most relevant. Oh, and also there's now a connection between the northern and southern crownlands, as per the locations of Brosse and Limoges, which makes the county of La Marche (another addition, ruled by Louis of Bourbon in PU) to be divided.

Dynasties:
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Locations:
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Location map with all the new locations. You might also notice the new lakes and wastelands added; the Central Masif is not any more such a complex place (although we've kept a few wastelands there), and we've improved a bit the mountain passes in the Alps, so they're now easier to understand, with less disconnected chunks, etc.

Provinces:
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Lots of changes in this mapmode! We've made a great rework of it thanks to your feedback, and we think that now provinces read much more flavorful. If you would have any more naming suggestions, please let us know!

Terrain:
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Regarding the topography, we've adjusted the Central Masif and the Alps, we've added some marshlands (mostly on the western coast), and some more hilly locations here and there. Regarding the vegetation, we've also read and applied your feedback; farmlands are a bit more distributed, and some regions are less forested (Britanny, Landes), while others are more forested (Auvergne). BTW, ignore the different coloring of Narbonne, it's a graphical bug that appeared while taking the screenshots.

Cultures:
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Not many changes here, I just wanted to share an updated distribution of the cultures, after the new provinces were added. For this reason, there's no need to repost the religious map. Although, I'm letting you know one thing: We're adding a few Cathars to the region! However, that's not yet fully ready, as we need to gather some additional data; I'll share it with you as soon as it's fully ready.

Raw Materials:
Raw Materials.png

Reviewed materials. France is no longer half-covered by Olives!

Population:
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New pops! I'm not attaching the country level, as there aren't many changes (e.g. France now has 5.601M inhabitants instead of 5.646). I might also have spoiled some WIP up in the British Isles...

One more time, thanks for your feedback! We'll read your comments in this thread, and check if there are any more tweaks that we might have to do. The next region review that we will most likely share with you is Italy, as we have less feedback to implement compared to Poland and the Baltic region, and we want to make sure that we take the time we need to have a proper review of it before sharing.

See you tomorrow again, in the Tinto Maps devoted to Carpathia and the Balkans!
 
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From @Palando in this post.

"Secondly, the Landvogtei Hagenau (Unterelsass) shouldn't be owned by Austria, as they lost it in 1330 to Emperor Louis the Bavarian. Louis's chancellor Albert II of Hohenberg was the bailiff in 1337, and Louis handed it over to his relative, the Rhenish elector in 1341. Alternatively, they could be replaced with another tag like Lichtenberg or Fleckenstein."

He'd also like to say "Colmar was a free city that wasn't owned by the Habsburgs." Please consider the corrections.:)
 
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Amazing changes! Thank you so much for making making Naoned into a port, and for the custom breton names for most of the locations. Here is the list of those missing:
Fougères should be Felger,
Carhaix -> Karaez,
Quimperlé -> Kemperle,
Chateaulin -> Kastellin,
Le Faou -> Ar Faou,
Chatelaudren -> Kastellaodren,
Blain -> Blaen,
Saint-Pol-de-Leon -> Kastell-Paol,
Hennebont -> Henbont,
Montfort-sur-Meu -> Moñforzh (ñ, not n!)

Out of curiosity, will Provinces also have localised names?
 
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It's a pity that the next feedback is not Poland and the Baltic Sea Region.

Approximately when can we expect it??? We had to wait a very long time for today's feedback, so I'm impatient.
 
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It's a pity that the next feedback is not Poland and the Baltic Sea Region.

Approximately when can we expect it??? We had to wait a very long time for today's feedback, so I'm impatient.
I don't want to promise a date in advance, to be honest; as I said, we want to make sure that we have the proper time to gather and implement all the relevant feedback, as there is a lot, and we don't want to disappoint the community by rushing changes when there's no need to.
 
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At first glance I note a few things for Toulouse region :
- population distribution between Toulouse (49k) and Villemur (47k) locations looks weird. Maybe automatic distribution after splitting previous Toulouse location, but it should probably be much higher in Toulouse and lower in Villemur…
- Albi should have Coal rather than Lead
- I don't know if there is any sort of representation of temporary raw goods, but "Dyes" in Toulouse/Lauragués region seems to represent Pastel activity, which only lasted for a century or so (approximately from 1450 to 1560, when replaced by Indigo). The "raw good" otherwise would rather be Wheat. (I don't know how this could translate in game terms however)
 
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From the pace that has been so far, it seems like feedback threads come roughly every month
It will be faster than that, or otherwise, it would take us several years to complete it. But the team is working on different pipelines, there have also been some people on vacation, etc., so the progress is not always at the same pace.
 
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I don't want to promise a date in advance, to be honest; as I said, we want to make sure that we have the proper time to gather and implement all the relevant feedback, as there is a lot, and we don't want to disappoint the community by rushing changes when there's no need to.
Thank you for your answer. I fully understand this decision.

Pozdrawiam serdecznie :)
 
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My only suggestions are :

1. Switching ressources between Épernay and Vitry-en-Perthois.
2. Reviewing Reims population knowing it was way more populous than Épernay

Épernay's ressource

Épernay is the birthplace (and still the headquarter) of the main houses producing effervescent wine that is known as Champagne (Moët & Chandon in 1743, Perrier & Jouët in 1811). Dom Pérignon's Abbey is located in that location in Hautvillers who helped refine the product.

The bottom line: Épernay should be producing wine, while Vitry could be producing fruits.

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne

You even have a map where today's Champagne is produced in the Champenois region : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne#/media/File:Vignobles_champagne.svg

Before the 18th Century, the country around Épernay was producing normal wine.

It doesn't go out as far west as Vitry-en-Perthois.

Reims vs Épernay's population

Regarding the population of Reims being lower than Épernay, the only statistics I have is from 1793, where Reims (city) was 10 times more populous than Épernay (30K vs 3k). My understanding is that Épernay was a big village throughout the Middle Ages and the Early Modern period, while Reims was a real fortified city (with around 15-20K inhabitants). You might have better historical sources that say otherwise for 1337, though. I don't know.
 

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Great job!
1-Are some locations names still not fully localized right?
2-A the province names also going to be localized in some way(like Lower Poitou if the English conquer it instead of Bas-Poitou) or are they going to stay in French no matter what?
3- Can we get a map of the Areas?
 
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Can we get some zoomed-in sections? France makes it difficult to read certain names ahah
 

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The next region review that we will most likely share with you is Italy,
When could we expect Italy? Trying to prioritize before finishing my suggestion for it or doing Balkans as the priority region for me:p
 
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