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Tinto Maps #5 - 7th of June 2024 - Italy

Hello everyone, and welcome to the fifth Tinto Maps! This week we will be sharing the map of Italy.

One comment before we start: we know that you might be eager to discuss other regions that may appear partially on the DD, such as the Balkans. Let’s try to keep the conversations separated in different threads, please; every region will get its own Tinto Maps, and we will show them and gather feedback in due time, in their own DD.

With that said, let’s start!:

Countries
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The situation of Italy in 1337 is quite interesting. The main power in the peninsula is the Kingdom of Naples, ruled by King Robert I, who is also ruler of Provence, and a few minor countries in Northern Italy; his efforts towards the domination of Italy also made him the leader of the Guelph faction in Italy, which backs the Pope. Speaking of him, the seat of the Curia is at Avignon, and regaining control over the Papal States and moving it back to Rome might take some time and effort. Opposite to all of them, there is the Ghibelline faction, led by the Signoria of Milan, ruled by the Visconti dynasty. They are backed by other important powers in the Italian region, such as the Superb Republic of Genoa, or the Duchy of Verona, ruled by the dynasty of della Scala. There are also neutral powers, like the Republics of Venice or Siena, although they could be attracted to join one of the factions. And we also have foreign powers that have already set a foothold in Italy, such as the Crown of Aragon, which has established a branch of its dynasty as Kings of Sicilia, while also recently conquering some lands in Sardinia.

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Guelphs and Ghibellines factions! They are International Organizations part of a Situation.

Dynasties
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Locations
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There is an interesting density in Italy, especially in the North, where there are plenty of communes - the Italian city-states. You might also notice something a bit different from previous Paradox GSGs: Venice is not an island, but the location has lands around the lagoon. We aren’t 100% sure that this will be the final design, as we have a few ideas to try to keep its special position on an island inside the lagoon while addressing the issue of it being too small to appear in the map; in this regard, we’re open about feedback and ideas on the topic.

Provinces
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Any naming suggestions about the provinces are well-received, as usual.

Terrain
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Three usual terrain layers. Something that I want to comment on is that we’ve been following this thread about ‘Revising Flatlands and hills’, and we are trying to get a bit more granularity in the Topographical map with the help of @SulphurAeron .

Cultures
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Italy is also a region with a sharp cultural division, and also plenty of minorities; although they don’t appear on the map, there are Italki Jews, or Greek and Albanian people in the South, among others.

Religions
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Another boring region, with more than 90% of the population being Catholic, with most of the religious minorities being Italkim Jews and Orthodox Greeks. We're considering implementing Waldensians, although adding more diverging Catholic heresies/confessions is a bit of a low priority for us right now. As a side note, it might catch your eye the Krstjani of Bosnia; we’ll discuss them later on, in the Tinto Maps devoted to the Balkans.

Raw Goods
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Italy is a rich region with plenty of interesting raw materials.

Markets
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There are three market centers in Italy: Genoa, Venice, and Naples (which was a very, very rich country in 1337, the wealthiest of the region). As usual, take into account that. 1. We don't script in the setup which locations belong to each market, they're automatically assigned to each market. 2. This starting distribution is not final, and it might change, as we do tweaks to the market access calculations over time.

Population
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There is around 10.5M population in the Italian region as of now. Taking into account how divided the political landscape is, Naples looks scary…

And that’s all for this week! For the next one, we will be talking about the British Isles, with @SaintDaveUK . See you!
 
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Okay. I've been screwing around with this for too long and have reached the point where I just want to get it off my chest.

Sicily - I have the book "An Island For Itself" by Stephan Epstein. Back in the day when I was doing historical research, it was a title that was regularly quoted.

General Comments

First, some general information and comments. The book is focused on the 15th century.

-Epstein compares Sicily favorably in terms of urbanization with the Low Countries - higher than mainland Italy.
-Sicily's export prowess is continually raved about throughout the text.
--In one place, Sicily's grain export ratio is compared with that of Poland - this was meant as a compliment.
--In another, Sicily's livestock exports are compared to Denmark, Poland, and Hungary. This was in a peak year, but still.
--In another, Sicily exported 2,000 tons of cheese, which generated more than twice the value of grain. It wasn't compared to another country, but was made out to be a huge amount.
--In yet another, all of this is completely disregarded and Sicily's two main exports are referred to as sugar and silk.

Basically, Sicily was an agricultural powerhouse. The economy is referred to as highly commercialized. Farms were large and worked by wage labor while livestock were plentiful, which provided plenty of manure for fertilizer - a combination that England would not master for centuries. Agricultural yields were supposedly the highest in Europe (at least as high as England and Netherlands).

One observation is that despite the heavy urbanization, Sicilian cloth industry was ... not that good. The urban crafts seem to have lagged the rural areas in productivity. Heavy urbanization does not mean that Sicily was a manufacturing powerhouse that competed with Florence and Venice. That said, nearly every city does seem like it did some type of cloth manufacturing.

The Map

I looked over the map and made some changes:

-I added Randazzo. One method that I used to estimate the importance of town was to see how often they were mentioned in the book. Randazzo was the 4th most mentioned town after Messina, Palermo, and Catania.
-Renamed Bovina to Castronovo. Bovina was not mentioned a single time in the book. I also found information that suggested Castronovo was an important site in my various google searches.
-Renamed Caltanisetta to Castrogiovanni. The latter was mentioned a lot more.
-Moved the boundaries around to try and make the locations a little bit bigger. I ignored geographic boundaries, so maybe that was a bad idea. Anyway, Castronovo (formerly Bovina) and Corleone are not so tiny now. There was plenty of room for Randazzo.
-I also changed the province breakdown. I didn't think Catania as the third most important city should be in the same group with Messina, the most important city.

Here is the map from the text (the numbers are the number of times that the town was mentioned) and the map that I created:

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The Goods

I also did a deep dive into the goods. The book has a chapter on the economy where it mentions where industries were located. This is far from an exact science. As far as I could tell, wine was grown everywhere. Sugar was grown nearly everywhere at one point in time. Same with silk.

Let me summarize before getting into the details.
- I removed one fruit good and one olive good.
- I added one livestock, one salt, and one silk. The salt is because Sicily is also a salt powerhouse. The silk is because the chapter says that it was a big export industry. It produced three times the income of the famous grain trade. Peak production was over 100,000 lbs, which was shipped everywhere. I guess if you can find data, then you could compare to silk production in Cosenza and Catanzaro on the mainland. If there is a huge difference, then that would suggest Sicily should stay at one location.

Here are all of the locations with the new goods:

Palermo - Sugar
Corleone - Wine
Sciacca - Wheat
Salemi - Salt (this was in place of the salt mines in Trapani)
Mazara - Saltpeter
Trapani - Fish
Termini - Wheat
Cefalu - Lumber
Castronovo - Livestock
Agrigento - Salt
Castrogiovanni - Saltpeter (this is where the sulphur mine was)
Terranova - Cotton
Piazza - Livestock
Catania - Silk
Caltagirone - Clay
Syracuse - Olives
Modica - Silk
Noto - Olives
Mistretta - Livestock
Nicosia - Lumber
Patti - Wine (this was in place of the wine industry in Messina)
Randazzo - Sugar (Randazzo itself is inland and should probably be livestock, but the eastern coast of Sicily from Acireale to Messina was a sugar area, so I gave it the good that made sense with the coast instead of the interior)
Messina - Alum

I hope that is helpful. I have a new appreciation for the other people who have done this sort of research. It was ... time consuming.
 
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Hello everybody.
This is my first time writing on this post, so I don't have that much of an experience:). Still, I feel like sharing is the best option considering the format of these posts.
I've searched in the forums if anybody talked about this already, but it looks like the matter of the terrain in the Po valley, which is where I come from, hasn't been discussed that much, and I feel it needs to.
The lands of the Po valley changed dramatically through the period in which Project Caesar takes place, and whilst I know that implementing terrain changes is difficult (though maybe with an improved/new engine it can be done?), I think some elements need more attention. In particular, I have three main lines of discussion: terrain reclamation from marsh to farmland, coastline changes, and waterways. Aside from my personal knowledge of living in this area, a very interesting paper on the matter is "The evolution of the Po Valley and Reno basin (North Italy) through the historical cartography: vicissitude of a land reclamation" by C. Ferronato, G. Vianello, L. Vittori Antisari (2014). If by any chance this matter is of your interest, and you need more specific information on the matter, I could try and see whether I can contact any of the authors, as at least one is still working in my university.
  • Terrain changed dramatically in the Po valley for many many centuries, yet the most dramatic ones regarding land reclamation happened in the XIX-XX century, which is sort of out of the scope of PC. Hence when I saw only one small marsh location in the whole valley, I was a bit underwhelmed. For the whole timeline of PC most of the Po valley was a big bunch of "wild" rivers which caused frequent flooding and generated marshlands. Often times, these flooding were of such a scale that the whole course of rivers changed, disrupting even the economy of entire locations: Argenta for example was a very fluvial-dependent economy, yet with the passing of time and the progressive abandonment of the Po di Primaro river due to heavy sedimentation, which lead the surrounding areas to flood more frequently and hence become marshes, Argenta was left a mere rural village, with its previously flourishing economy only a mere shadow of its former self. What I think, therefore, is there needs to be a greater extent of marshlands, especially in the provinces of Romagna, Ferrara and Bologna, and the possibility to gradually reclaim these lands as happened historically, for example as done by the Este in Ferrara in the XV-XVI centuries.
  • Efforts to "control" the course of rivers in the Po valley, especially the ones coming from the Apennines, properly begun only between the 1400 CE and 1600 CE, and continued up to Napoleon's times, for what regards PC timeline. Most of the canals were built in the XVIII century, under the supervision of the pope, which controlled Romagna and Bologna, and later under Napoleon's supervision which (to remark again the extreme importance of dealing with such a mess of rivers and floods in this area) founded even a government department to deal with it. These works often were not enough though: at the end of the XVI century, for example, the Apennine’s rivers and streams ending in Po di Primaro were flooding and swamps occupied again the cultivated lands.
    This opened in my head an interesting possible mechanic: countries that own locations in the Po valley need to spend time, materials, manpower, money, whatever that is, in order to deal with securing the rivers of this area and to have the possibility to slowly reclaiming farmland; if they don't, they'll occasionally suffer flooding with all the annexed losses (devastation, loss of population, loss of food capacity, loss of productivity,...).
  • This is a more of a personal desire, but the coastline in the Po valley changed a lot in the centuries of PC. I know this is hard to represent, but it'd be very interesting and cool to see the locations actually change as time passes and as land reclamation happens.
  • The rivers in the Po Valley were of such huge importance as waterways, especially for commerce, that even wars were fought for them. For example, in 1271 the naval battle of Polesella was fought between the navies of Bologna (yes, Bologna had a navy, that's how important and extended these waterways were) and Venice: Bologna won and as such it obtained favorable trade agreements for its products through Venice. Implementing such waterways is hard, I get it, but at least what could be done is, IMO, to add some sort of modifier to some locations that boosts infrastructure, production, and likewise, as this extended system of waterways helped in such regards.
    Moreover, sometimes rivers were drastically artificially changed by some countries as this provided an advantage to them: "since 1504 AD the Republic of Venice had ordered hydraulic works to flow the Lamone river into the Po di Primaro in order to colonize these lands and mainly for economic purposes, i.e. to counteract the commercial activity that Ferrara had developed after the deviation of the Santerno river into the Po di Primaro" (C. Ferronato, G. Vianello, L. Vittori Antisari (2014)). Now, again, I know this is hard to implement, but finding a sort of mechanic to represent such conflicts, even simply via events, could add a huge amount of flavor for me.

    Well, thanks for the attention!! This is a very introductory post, but still I hope this can be of some help! Again, in case something more is needed, like more precise information or anything, just answer me and I'll be glad to help!
 
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Why is Milan with the Ghibellines, Milan it's the model anti-empire city. They even founded the city of Alessandria in honour of Pope Alexander
In this period, Milan is mostly Milan-aligned: it's a strongly hegemonic state, especially under Gian Galeazzo at the end of the century but already at game start, whose game plan is "we should be on top".
 
La zona nel nord Italia denominata sotto SONDRIO è errata perche durante la Signoria dei Visconti e degli Sforza (1325-1500), TRESIVIO diventò capoluogo della Valtellina e solo successivamente perse di importanza.
 
The area in northern Italy called under SONDRIO is incorrect because during the Lordship of the Visconti and Sforza(1325-1500), TRESIVIO became the capital of Valtellina and only subsequently lost its importance
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One of the "problem" with those maps is the absence of Slavonia. It was another administrative division of Hungary, distinct of Croatia.

Slavonia in this period was centered in Zagreb while Croatia was the area next to the adriatic.

I hope it was fix later
 
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Venice should be designed as an island.
"The War of Chioggia (Italian: Guerra di Chioggia) was a conflict fought by the Republic of Genoa against the Republic of Venice between 1378 and 1381, the conclusion of an open confrontation that had lasted for years and which had already included some occasional and limited military clashes."
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Just a thought about the beginning of the game in Italy and how that could shape the future of a game in the Med and Americas:

I hope that there is going to be unique events for the war of Chioggia, since that pretty much defined the venitian and genoese spheres of influence in the mediterrenean. It also involved the king of Hungary and Duke of Austria, and the bishop of Apuleia as well, pretty much everyone wanted the venitians gone. But the only real competitors were the genoese since they were the only ones that had a strong navy capable of going toe to toe with the venitian navy and threaten Venice itself.

Irl the war ended with a stalemate: at the beggining the city/suburb of Chioggia, in the venitian lagoon, was occupied by the genoese (it was so close that venice itself was basically under siege), but after some struggles the genoese navy was defeated thanks to a skilled admiral (i forget the name) and Chioggia was liberated and the genoese were pushed outside of the Adriatic.
(And the greek fortified island that started the whole debacle was razed to the groud by decree of the Pope, of course. So the peace deal was basically Status Quo Ante Bellum, my favourite kind of peace :D )

Later the venetian republic recovered faster and better than the genoese one thanks to its stronger institutions (while in genoa fell into power struggle after power struggle between the rich merchant noble families, alternating between de facto dictators).

It would be cool to see something unique for this, since it would basically decide which of the two cities will dominated the trade in the mediterranean: with Venice being more involved with Byzantines (altough the genoese were also quite involved with them irl) and the Levant in general and Genoa being more leaning towards the New World (irl many explorers that went into the Canaries, in the 1300s, and later the New World came from Genoa, like Cristopher Colombus).
It would be a gameification (since Genoa was also plenty involved in the east, and in fact dominated trade in the Black Sea) but I think a fun and unique one, since we could see a realistic "italian west indian company" alongside the dutch and english, or see a powerful venice dominated Med like it was irl.
 
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Should Rome be split into two locations, similar to how Westminster and London are on the British isles map? The two locations would be Rome proper in one and the Leonine City (also known interchangably as Borgo), where Saint Peter's is, in the other.



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At game start the Leonine City is within the blue walls, you can see how it was connected to Trastevere much later (Urban's wall).

From the game maps shown I can't tell where the Tiber is, but to avoid making major changes, sticking the Leonine City in the Bracciano location makes sense. I don't have demographic data for Bracciano and Borgo at the same times until the modern era but I'm almost certain Borgo was the more populous. I've seen offhand quotes of 5k people recorded for Borgo in the 1510s whilst centuries later Bracciano numbered 2.5 in it's first Kingdom of Italy census in 1871.
Other solutions could be having one location contain the west bank (so include the population of Trastevere and also what's left of Portus). This has the benefit of making the river crossing penalty simple.
My preferred solution, from the limited info we have, is for a Rome location to include both side of the Tiber from Trastevere downwards. With the coastal area of the location (Ostia and the remains of Portus) being relatively narrow. Doesn't have to be pixel accurate! I realize I'm getting overly specific. The benefit here is having the Rome location be Flatland and the coastal areas north and south be Marshland as we get towards the Maremma to the North and the Pontine marshes to the south as others have mentioned. Then, what is currently the Bracciano location could be inland and west of the Rome location, including Borgo and be called San Pietro. I don't know about terrain but flat grassland feels too easygoing. I don't know about resources either. Some sort of building representing the signifcant income from pilgrims would be nice. (Tourist Trap, uses paper, food and metals and produces cash money). In case of a multiple tag representation of the area at game start, San Pietro could be owned directly by the Papacy.



For:
  • Borgo and the rest of Rome were occupied by mutually hostile forces for during and before the game period. My main example is the period towards the end of the schism 1404-1415. Supporters and foreign backers of the three competing lines of popes held different parts of the city for years, like when King Ladislaus of Naples took part of the city in 1408, securing only part of it until 1411 when Louis II of Anjou's force invaded and put their pope into the vatican. Such competing forces would sally forth from their sections to sack the other parts, otherwise they would be firing cannons and trebuchets at each other, usally across the river. Such urban campaigns took years due to the proliferation of noble urban fortresses, which had to be reduced by artillery. Obviously modelling it as more than two locations would be too much but two would enough granularity to depict enough the insanity of the period using only the base game mechanics. Maybe also throw in a flavour event for when a caged lion escaped it's capitoline enclosure and started eating people in 1414.
  • In 1327 the Guelphs take the Leonine city but are blocked by fortifications on or by the bridge.
  • The Leonine City was only officially made a part of the city of Rome in 1586. Until then it it had been it's own separate administrative entity. People at the time also recognized this difference.
  • The expense of fortifying two locations is a good representation of how expensive mantaining and updating Rome's disproportinately long circuit of walls was.


Against:
  • In 1450 hundreds of pilgrims died when a balustrade failed on the Ponte Sant'Angelo. It was rebuilt and access to it on the south bank was cleared.
  • In the 1527 sack the city was taken all at once, with the first breaches occurring in the Leonine Walls
  • In the 1600s the walls were extended onto the Janiculum hill on the west bank. This united the Leonine Walls with the Trastevere section of the Aurelian walls and made the defenses effectively a single circuit. This toghether with the administrative unification of 1586 really spells the end of Borgo as a separate city.


In conclusion, I think this splitting makes more sense for the first century and a bit of the game but loses relevance later.





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From the Codex Escurialensis, Ponte Sant'Angelo circa 1495, notably after the bridge had been widened and it's right bank access cleared. Castel Sant'Angelo and Borgo on the left.



Sources:
Hendrik Dey, The Making of Medieval Rome A New Profile of the City 400-1420
Chris Wickham, Medieval Rome Stability and Crisis of a City 900-1150. Earlier than the PC period but goes in to detail about how different the Leonine City and Rome proper were, including the economies.
L'Anonimo Romano, Cronica dell'Anonimo Romano - English translation can be found in The Chronicle of an Anonymous Roman by James Palmer. The translation also includes a map of Rome early 1300s which shows the walls more clearly.
Gregorovius' History of Rome
 
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After seeing the balkans Tinto maps I think that feedback on Slovenia should be here.
I believe that you should change the goods produced in Postojna to Mercury (second biggest mine in Europe after the one of Almadén in Spain).
 
considering this is next on the list for revision, i'd suggest to increase the density of provinces around certain areas which were historically very dense with cities.
areas around naples, palermo, florence/siena, genoa, venice from verona all the way to udine, bologna/ferrara and vercelli/montferrato should be denser than they are right now so that you can as you open the map you can instantly tell which areas have bigger density, similar to how the area around milan feel denser.
 
After seeing the balkans Tinto maps I think that feedback on Slovenia should be here.
I believe that you should change the goods produced in Postojna to Mercury (second biggest mine in Europe after the one of Almadén in Spain).
Slovenia will actually be a part of the HRE thread, somewhere in the future.
 
Piedmont - General Feedback and Suggestion

"
But the fruitfulness of the land sufficeth not simply of itself alone to raise a city unto greatness: for many provinces there are, and they very rich, that have never a good city in them; as, for example, Piedmont is one, and there is not a country throughout all Italy that hath more plenty of corn, cattle, wine, and of excellent fruits of all sorts, than it hath, and it hath maintained for many years the armies and forces both of Spain and France."
- Giovanni Botero, A Treatise Concerning The Causes of the Magnificency and Greatness of Cities, 1588


As promised to @Pavía some weeks ago, I would like to provide some general feedback on the Piedmont area, hopefully in time to be taken into account in the first wave of the Italian rework.

This post will focus on general gameplay remarks and population figures. Even though it is challenging to get them right, and the Black Death will likely impact them heavily after a few years in-game, I believe we can make a reasonable effort to improve them. I will also share some minor suggestions on terrain and goods for the areas of Southern Piedmont that I know better.

The suggestion a to enhance historical accuracy and improve the gameplay experience in Piedmont, ensuring a more balanced and engaging environment for players.

These suggestions should also be read together with other helpful feedback provided by other users on the same areas.


A. Summary and Suggestions

My suggestions regarding locations and population are summarized in the chart below (approach explained further below, in the rationale section).

LocationCurrentProposal
Northern Piedmont
Chieri37.13334.000
Pinerolo25.64025.000
Torino47.28245.000
Susa34.35920.000
Valli di Lanzo32.98525.000
Monferrato/Casale134.00060.000
(New from splitting Monferrato)Chivasso30.000
Vercelli (TBD adding Biella for the norther part)39.79045.000
Total419.946
334.000
Southern Piedmont
Ceva7.13612.000
Mondovi'12.61936.000
Cuneo20.84828.000
Saluzzo22.41923.000
Carmagnola22.36922.000
(New from splitting the west area of Alba see picture)Savigliano or Cherasco16.000
Alba16.82918.000
Asti30.80960.000
Incisa (renamed into Acqui)57.53322.000
Total190.562237.000
Eastern Piedmont
Tortona30.20835.000
Alessandria55.27360.000
Novi29.32130.000
Novara62.75765.000
Valsesia9.06812.000
Arona12.36814.000
Val d'Ossola15.57516.000
Total214.570232.000
Grand total 825.078
803.000


New locations:

There would be good reasons for adding several locations, but I limited myself to just two (Chivasso in Northern Piedmont, n. 2 in the picture, Savigliano in Southern Piedmont, n. 1). I would also consider to adding Biella in the norther area of the Vercellli location (n. 3).

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New Tags:
  • Cuneo (likely a vassal of Provence) cannot be under Saluzzo in 1337.
  • If Savigliano is added as a location, it should be considered either independent tag or a loose vassal of Provence, depending on how you choose to reflect the Angevin influence over Mondovì, Alba, Chieri, and possibly even Asti and Alessandria in 1337.

Vegetation:

Southwestern Piedmont underwent significant reclamation efforts during the High Middle Ages, leading to the establishment of many new settlements, including large communes like Mondovì, Cuneo, Savigliano, Fossano, and Cherasco, as well as numerous other towns and rural centers. This resulted in extensive agricultural development. Consequently, vegetation should be sparse in the plain areas. However, locations bordering hills (such as Mondovì) and mountain regions (such as Saluzzo) should include both grasslands and wooded areas.

  • Cuneo: Change from Forest to Woods
  • Mondovì: Change from Forest to Grassland (or Woods)
  • Saluzzo: Change from Forest to Grassland (or Woods)
  • Savigliano (new): Grassland

Terrain:
Minor suggestions here. The areas of Asti and Incisa are part of the Langhe and Montferrat hills, with the latter location including part of the Apennines. Therefore, they should both be moved to Hills.

Savigliano (new) is clearly Flatlands.

Goods:
Based on specific regional features, the following changes are suggested:
  • Ceva: Change from Wool to Lumber (it is still a quite heavily forested area today)
  • Cuneo: Change from Lumber to Wheat (or Silk to represent later developments, as suggested by others)
  • Mondovì: Change from Wheat to Livestock (the area around Mondovì includes the rural settlement of Carrù, known for its notable cattle fair since the late Middle Ages, still renowned today). A case for Silk could also be made here.
  • Saluzzo: Change from Wheat to Fruit (the area around Saluzzo is still a significant fruit producer today)
  • Carmagnola: Change from Fruit to Wheat (switching roles with Saluzzo)
  • Savigliano (new location): Wheat (or Livestock, if Mondovì is kept with Wheat)

B. Supporting rationale (long text below)

I. Introduction


In the early Middle Ages, what we now recognize as Piedmont was considered part of a broader Lombardy (Langobardia). A distinct Piedmontese identity began to form slowly, particularly under the influence of the Anjou (it appears that the term “Piedmont” was first used to describe the domains of the Anjou on the Italian side of the Alps) and especially after the ascendancy of the House of Savoy, which started to dominate most of the region in the early 15th century.

By the middle of the 15th century, after the Duchy of Savoy conquered Vercelli, the “historical border” between Piedmont and Lombardy became the Sesia River. For most of the game’s timespan, the eastern boundaries of Piedmont were the areas around Vercelli and Asti (included), while the areas of Alessandria and Novara remained under Milanese influence and part of the same polity until the early 18th century. Also, Montferrat remained independent until the beginning of the 18th century (despite losing significant lands to Savoy, especially in the Langhe areas around Alba, already in the mid-17th century). Of course, Asti had its own trajectory, becoming a fief of the House of Orleans in the early 15th century and remaining so until the mid-16th century when it was finally absorbed into the Duchy of Savoy.

(The map below provides a good overview of the expansion of the Savoyard state)

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For this discussion, we will divide Piedmont into three areas:
  • Northern Piedmont: part of today’s province of Turin and the provinces of Biella and Vercelli.
  • Southern Piedmont: today’s provinces of Cuneo and Asti, with a small portion of the province of Turin (Carmagnola) and Alessandria (part of what is now the Incisa location, what I suggest to be renamed into Acqui)
  • Eastern Piedmont: roughly speaking, today’s provinces of Alessandria, Novara, and Verbano-Cusio-Ossola.

II. Power Balance in 14th Century Piedmont

In 1337, the political landscape of Piedmont was dominated by the House of Anjou in the south and the House of Savoy in the north. The Duchy of Milan was also a main player, dominating vast parts of what we define as Eastern Piedmont.

Besides the major powers, Piedmont was home to several smaller feudal states and some prominent cities (even if not large and powerful as many cities in the rest of Northern Italy). Notably, the Marquisate of Monferrato (and to a much smaller extent the Marquisate of Saluzzo) played significant roles, though they could not rival the larger powers without forming strategic alliances. Asti, as the largest and most powerful commune, should also be able to play a role in the area. Other centers/tags (such as the very small feudal polity of Ceva) might be allowed to play a meaningful role after a period of economic development or expansion.

III. General Gameplay

Savoy, Provence/Anjou, and Milan should clearly be the strongest powers in the first decades of the game (unless there is some event to simulate the downfall of Anjou’s role in the region, which occurred only a few years after the start of the game). In 1339, the Anjou lost control over Asti, and in 1345, they were defeated by an alliance led by Asti and Monferrat at the Battle of Gamenario, a situation reminiscent of the earlier Battle of Roccavione in 1275, where the first Anjou's dominance in the area was similarly overcome by an alliance led by Asti and Monferrat.

The overall gameplay should reflect the pressure from these three main external powers encroaching on the Piedmont region from different directions: Savoy from the northwest, Anjou from the southwest, and Milan from the east. The minor powers, including Monferrat, Saluzzo, and the larger communes, should not be able to withstand these pressures alone. Their survival may depend on forming alliances (such as Asti and Monferrat joining forces to defeat a declining Anjou influence in the region) or submitting to the larger powers while striving to maintain as much autonomy as possible. However, if a strong Milan or Savoy exerts its influence, smaller polities should have little hope of resisting without resorting to diplomacy, which I trust will be well-developed in Project Caesar!

IV. Population

Unfortunately, there are no reliable data for general population numbers in the area of Piedmont in the 14th century (Barbero, History of Piedmont, p. 179). However, there are some data and reasonable guesses for major towns, especially starting from the 15th century, and on the general impact of the Black Death (which likely killed up to half of the population and likely affected towns more severely than the countryside).

Based on the maps included in the relevant Tinto Talk, I created a spreadsheet estimating the total population for locations corresponding to today’s region of Piedmont at around 825,000 (I am not sure I am reading the figures for Chieri correctly). Considering a total of 10.5 million for the Italian region, this amounts to 7.86%. For comparison, today Piedmont amounts to 7.23% of the total Italian population. I have no strong reasons to argue in one sense or the other: I think staying in this range makes sense. However, I noticed quite an imbalance between Northern and Southern Piedmont. Since I do not see a strong supporting reason for such an imbalance, I propose a recalibration (see the charts above).

My proposal for each location’s figures is based on (i) historical data and estimates for the population of major towns, also looking at reliable data for the 15th century onwards and considering some notable minor towns not present on the map that should be apportioned to neighboring locations; (ii) terrain (plains should be more populous, but not greatly so); and (iii) other relevant factors, such as the creation of dioceses and bishoprics, political developments, etc. (for example, even if the domains of Monferrat and Saluzzo did not include any large towns, they should have a decent population base).

Overall, my proposal slightly reduces the total population of the Piedmont area from 825,000 to 803,000 (it would be around 7.5% of the total Italian population). However, I believe it is more balanced between the various areas, and there are no locations with an exaggerated amount of population, which are difficult to justify based on what we know and can reasonably suppose.

We can make some educated guesses on the most populous towns and centers, though it is more difficult to account for their “contado.” I will do so by dividing again into the three main areas.

IV.A. Northern Piedmont

The major urban centre here was clearly Vercelli, which had a remarkable history and wielded significant power in the surrounding areas, especially in the 12th-13th centuries. However, due to its geographical position, by the game's start, it was already under the grip of Milan. It never recovered a significant autonomy and in 1435 was transferred to the dominion of Savoy. It should have a significant population, larger than most surrounding location (even if we can make a case for giving a good population base to Montferrat)

Other significant towns:
  1. Chieri
  2. Turin
  3. Ivrea (Canavese)
  4. Pinerolo
  5. Chivasso
  6. Casale: It was not a large town back then, but it makes sense to give its location substantial population to reflect the power of the Monferrat state and to allow them to play a significant role in the area.
Further, on the "Turin special case":
  1. In the 14th century, Turin was likely smaller than many other cities, even the neighboring Chieri and possibly not much larger than Moncalieri, which is now part of the Turin metropolitan area. According to census data from 1415, it had only 624 taxpayers, likely around 3,000 residents (Barbero, History of Piedmont, p. 180).
  2. During the 15th century, Turin started to grow and became the main center of Savoy’s power and seat of a university (after much struggle). However, it was still smaller than several cities, both in the Savoy’s dominion (for sure Mondovi’, Vercelli, probably others as well) and outside (Asti).
  3. Turin finally overtook Mondovi’ as the largest city in Piedmont in the late 16th century. In the 17th century, it had spectacular growth, while all other major cities stagnated or lost population, and became by far the biggest city.
  4. Should the later rise of Turin be hard-coded in some way? I would say not: the growth of Turin was driven by its convenient location (crossroads, passage towards France, etc.) and because it was one of the centers that the House of Savoy had controlled for a long time, making it a suitable choice for being their main seat of power on the Italian side of the Alps. I hope the same can happen in game based on gameplay features, not because of some scripted events.
IV.B. Southern Piedmont

The most populous cities in Piedmont around this time were likely Asti and, with some distance but on a rising trend, Mondovi.
  1. Asti: Asti was the strongest commune in the region, able to muster significant forces and dominate its surroundings. It maintained a competitive stance against Monferrat but could not reasonably withstand any of the major powers alone. In any case, Asti, even though the center itself was likely not much more populous as an urban settlement than other cities in Southern Piedmont, was much more powerful, having a larger "contado" and often imposing itself on neighbors such as Alba.
  2. Mondovì: Mondovì emerged as the largest center in southwestern Piedmont in the late 14th century and remained one of the largest cities in all of Piedmont until the end of the 16th century, possibly holding the top position during certain periods. In 1338, it was elevated to a bishopric, a significant achievement as it was the first among the 'new cities' of southwestern Piedmont—established during the population growth of the 11th and 12th centuries (including Cuneo, Fossano, Savigliano, and Cherasco)—to achieve this status. This elevation aligned Mondovì with other Piedmontese dioceses based on the older pattern dating back to the Late Roman era, including cities that had lost much of their preeminence, such as Acqui. In contrast, Saluzzo and Casale were elevated to bishoprics much later, and only due to the political pressures exerted by their feudal lords.
Other significant towns of Southern Piedmont were:
  1. Savigliano (I support adding it as a location)
  2. Cuneo
  3. Alba
  4. Cherasco (A potential location but very close to both Savigliano and Alba). We can make a case for a Cherasco location considering its notable role as a fortress and the seat of several treaties in later centuries.
  5. Fossano (A potential location but very close to both Savigliano and Mondovi).
The marquises of Saluzzo made efforts to elevate Saluzzo and Carmagnola as significant urban centres in their lands, but neither became very large towns. However, population in those locations should be considerable to reflect the influence of the Marquisate of Saluzzo and allow them a degree of action, even if not large (controlling both locations, Saluzzo will be a little more powerful than other cities in the area, except for Asti).

IV.C. Eastern Piedmont

Alessandria, Novara, and Tortona were likely significant urban centers (plausibly between 5,000 and 10,000 residents). However, their attraction to the Milanese orbit and their closeness to the bigger centers of the Lombardy areas made them “small by comparison". There is an interesting remark from sources: in the same period, a chronicler from Saluzzo considered Alessandria “a rich and large city,” whereas a contemporary source from the Milanese side described it as the “poorest city dominated by Milan” (Barbero, History of Piedmont, p. 195). This captures well the difference between Piedmont (a region without very large urban centers) and Lombardy proper.


Final remarks


For those who managed to read this far, thank you for your attention. I am happy to provide further feedback upon request.

Below, I will list some sources:

  • Barbero, Alessandro. Storia del Piemonte [History of Piedmont], Torino, 2008.
  • Barbero, Alessandro. L’Italia comunale e le dominazioni angioine: un bilancio storiografico [Communal Italy and Angevin Dominations: A Historiographical Assessment] in I comuni di Jean-Claude Maire Vigueur: Percorsi storiografici (Rome: I Libri di Viella, 2014), pp. 9–31.
  • Ferrari, Rao, Terenzi. "Rappresentazioni del potere angioino nell’Italia comunale: sovrani, ufficiali, città" [Representations of Angevin Power in Communal Italy: Sovereigns, Officials, Cities], in Thierry Pécout, Les officiers et la chose publique dans les territoires angevins (XIIIe-XVe siècle): vers une culture politique?, 518 (4), 2020, Rome, pp. 251-284.
  • Fresia, Renato. Comune civitatis Albe: affermazione, espansione territoriale e declino di una libera città medievale (12.-13. secolo) [The Commune of Alba: Assertion, Territorial Expansion, and Decline of a Free Medieval City (12th-13th Century)], Alba, 2002.
  • Grillo, Paolo. Gli Angioini in Italia [The Angevins in Italy]. Il Mulino, 2012.
  • Grillo, Paolo. "I grandi ufficiali angioini dell’Italia centro-settentrionale e la guerra. Gli anni di Roberto d’Angiò" [The Great Angevin Officials of Central-Northern Italy and the War. The Years of Robert of Anjou]. In: Les grands officiers dans les territoires angevins - I grandi ufficiali nei territori angioini, edited by Riccardo Rao, Publications de l’École française de Rome, 2016.
  • Levi, Giovanni. "Sviluppo urbano e flussi migratori nel Piemonte nel 1600" [Urban Development and Migration Flows in Piedmont in the 1600s]. In: Cahiers de la Méditerranée: série spéciale, n°2, 1, 1974. Les migrations dans les pays méditerranéens au XVIIIème et au début du XIXème. Actes des journées d'études Bendor 6 et 7 avril 1973. pp. 26-52.
  • Lusso, Enrico. Gli Angio’ in Italia tra XIII e XIV secolo: temi, problemi e prospettive di ricerca [The Angevins in Italy between the 13th and 14th Centuries: Themes, Problems, and Research Perspectives]. 2012, Turin.
  • Storia di Cuneo e del suo territorio, 1198-1799 [History of Cuneo and its Territory, 1198-1799], edited by Rinaldo Comba; essays by Paola Bianchi et al., Savigliano, 2002.
  • Storia di Mondovì e del Monregalese, Volume II: L'età angioina, 1260-1347 [History of Mondovì and the Monregalese, Volume II: The Angevin Age, 1260-1347], edited by Rinaldo Comba, Giuseppe Griseri, Giorgio M. Lombardi, Mondovì, 2002.
 
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Hello! This is another long suggestion thread, which I apologize for dropping at such an ungodly hour. I hope there is still time for it to be considered for Italy feedback! Italy is a region I had a lot of previous experience with doing research for EU4 mods, so at least it went much faster!

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Going from South to North generally, we have:


Sicily:

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I see that Sicily is based on the administrative divisions of Two Sicilies, with all but two divisions (Acireale and Castroreale) included - I would include those two as well, they certainly seem large enough


1. Acireale
Notable art center and diocese dating back to Roman times, and a royal city since the 16th century (when it had 6 - 7000 people). Also includes Mascali, an important city and county during the game period. Acireale is well known for its Granita (sugared ice, exported since the 17th century) and lemons, so Sugar or Fruit would be a good tradegood.

2. Castroreale/Taormina
Castroreale was the administrative seat of this division and a royal castle, but nearby Taormina was perhaps the more important city (receiving the city status in the 16th century). Seems to be a primarily Grain producing region

3. Licata
Agrigenfo is larger than it's neighbors and has the space for a split, and Licata warrants it - it flourished under Hohenstaufen rule and had a population of 7000 in 1270, played an important role in Sicilian Vespers and was granted autonomy and honors by both German and Spanish rulers. 16th and 17th centuries saw it flourish again, especially due to its large Maltese community. Licata was mostly notable as a port, exporting Grain, Cheese, and later Sulphur, so Wheat or Livestock (or Sulphur if added, or whatever would represent it - Alum or Saltpeter?) would be the best tradegood.

The next three additions do break the K2S province borders, but I believe the cities warrant them

4. Marsala
A somewhat crowded region already, but Marsala definitely deserves to be included. The largest city in the Trapani Province today, and through much of history, Marsala is the site of the ancient Lilybaeum, the Phoenician capital of the island. It was a wealthy trade port in the Middle Ages until it's port was closed under Charles V. Marsala is obviously most famous for its eponymous Wine


5. Castrogiovanni (modern Enna)
Today a province center, Enna was particularly important in this period due to being favored by Frederick III (still the ruler for the first few months of the game), who reigned from there during Sicilian Vespers - before declining under Spanish rule and rebounding again in the modern times. It was an important center of Sicilian Lombards - given their prominence, perhaps one of Castrogiovanni/Piazza/Nicosia should have a Lombard majority? The area definitely has the space for another location here, and Enna is also important as the place where the three Valli of Sicily meet. The nearby Pasquasia mine has been an important producer of Alkaline Salts for centuries, making that the obvious tradegood- either Salt or Saltpeter. Later, Sulphur mining also developed.

6. Troina
Another inland Sicily location, Troina was the first capital of Norman Sicily, an important city under the Byzantines and a bishopric center until the 13th century. Despite its decline that started under the
Anjou dynasty, the city still had periods of prosperity. The location also includes Cesaro. Still, this is easily the least important location I am suggesting. The region produces Wheat, Livestock and Fruit

A: Alcamo over Salemi
While Salemi is interesting as the "first capital of Italy" and was a city of some note, Alcamo seems significantly more important, being a city with thousands of inhabitants in the Middle Ages (and 13 000 in 1798) and later an administrative center, and should replace it, if it is not added in addition to it

There are of course other interesting locations that can be added - Palazzo Adriano, the main Arbersh center in Sicily, Scicli in south Modica, and most notably Monreale (the religious capital of Sicily), but there doesn't seem to be the space or as much need.

One location I'd love to see is Lipari, representing the Aeolian Isles, but I know you avoid adding locations to islands that small (even if they're larger together). It would be good if you made sure Messina's name doesn't look so weird by stretching all over them, however.


Calabria
Most of the important cities are already included, but some of the locations have space for possible splits - though none are really particularly important

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1. Squilace
The odd shape of Catanzaro allows a split here. Squilace was an old Byzantine fortress that had many famous feudal owners (including the Borgias, which held it as a Principality for almost 300 years). Also includes Sovereto. Squilace is known for its terra cotta, so I would give it Clay as the raw tradegood


2. Bisiginano
Bisiginano would take the northern parts of Cosenza. It was a Free City and later an important lordship as well as a bishopric center, and latter another big Arbersh settlement. Would also help represent iron mining in the region

3. Strongoli
A diocese center, Strongoli was both a royal city and later part of the domains of the powerful Ruffo family. Produces Wheat and Wine.

A: Scalea over Laino Borgo
Scalea, an important commercial and maritime center in the Middle Ages, with over 5000 inhabitants during Angevin rule, seems far more important than Laino Borgo.

Other notable locations that can be added are splitting Cariati from Rossano, Trebisacce from Cassano or Tropea from Monteleone, but there seems to be less space for those.

Grikos
One general surprising thing about Calabria, Sicily, and Apulia (and to a lesser degree Lucania and Cilento) is that I would have expected to see more Griko pops? Most sources say they were still very numerous in the late Middle Ages, with Petrarch recommending traveling to Calabria to learn Greek in the 1360s, and a (likely exaggerated) 13th-century claim that in Calabria the peasants spoke nothing but Greek. In some parts of Salento and Calabria, they remained the majority util the 16th century, and Catholicization only really finished in the 15th and 16th centuries as well



Lucania
Perhaps the poorest region of Italy, there is not too much to add here, with only one location really being suggested due to the importance

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A: Lauria over Lagonegro
Lauria was the center of an important lordship that covered much of the current Lagonegro location, and should probably give it its name, despite Lagonegro being the later administrative capital

1. Venosa
Ancient city and important lordship, Venosa had 13 000 people in 1503, making it one of the largest cities in the region, with a large fortress.

2. Pisticci/Camarda (modern Bernalda)
Also includes Metaponto, the site of the great ancient city of Metapontum, this location separates the non-coastal Matera from the coast and reduces the size of Montepeloso. Camarda was a significant Norman and Arafonese castle, though it was owned by the lords of nearby Montescaglioso (which I would add as a location instead, if it wasn't so close to Matera). The location could instead be named after Pisticci, another prominent fiefdom that was also a decently large city - 5000 inhabitants in the 17th century and later a canton center. Coastal Lucania primarily produces Fruit and Clay

3. Viggiano
Not the most important city, but perhaps the best possible split for the large Potenza as it was a prosperous town. Viggiano was well known for its musical instrument making and oil in modern times - as neither is really a raw tradegood, its other products, Wine and Livestock, should be given instead

Lucania has many smaller centers that are difficult to distinguish in importance- Tricarico/Grassano, Pisticci, and Montescaglioso could all be locations, but the area simply doesn't warrant too much density


Apulia
Being a larger region, there are of course many more possible additions - and here, many important cities are missing, and it's not actually possible to add them all.

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1. Otranto
Giving its name to the Strait of Otranto and Terra d'Otranto, this location splits the large Gallipoli and was an important strategic point, also being the only Italian city conquered by the Ottomans - and it was a large city, it had a population of 22 000 during the Ottoman siege. Otranto is well known for its horse breeding, making Horses the natural tradegood

2. Nardo
One of the wealthiest cities in all of South Italy thanks to its Acquaviva dukes, having a university, and many other institutions. Important in Byzantine times too, Nardo is still today the second most important city in the province of Lecce/Salento. Also includes other prominent cities like Copertino and Galatina. Nardo is known for the Carparo stone (also mined in Gallipoli), so I would give it Stone, though Olives, Fruit, Wool and Wine are also produced.

3. Ostuni
Prosperous city and port, one of the largest in Terra d'Otranto with 17 000 inhabitants, there should be space to fit it from Brindisi and Francavilla. Ostuni is well known for its Olives and Wine.

4. Massafra/Castellaneta
Both were free cities (and at times important fiefs), which would separate the western parts of Martina Franca. The area grows Olives and Fruit (clementines in particular).

5. Lizzano
Splitting off the southern parts of Taranto, Lizzano was the center of a Marquisate. The location also includes Casalnuovo (modern Manduria). Lizzano is famous for its Wine, while Manduria produces Olives and Carosello, a melon-like fruit eaten as a vegetable, in addition to its own well known Wine - making Wine the best choice for the location.

Taranto could also easily become its own province, especially if one or both of the above locations are added.

6. Gravina (in Puglia)
Splitting the large and awkwardly shaped Altamura, Gravina is not as important as many cities I'm suggesting in Salento, but it was an important fief of the powerful Orsini family, with the title of a Duchy. Canosa di Puglia is also in this area. The region was well known for its Wheat production since the Middle Ages.

7. Conversano
This requires making both it and Bari into small locations, but Conversano was a diocese center and an important county, that stretched all the way to Lecce and Nardo under the Normans, and later a fief of the Orsini and Acquaviva. Conversano is also well known for its Horses.

Bitonto and Molfetta are also important, but very close to Bari, so it's impossible to fit them.

8. Barletta/Trani
Andria is currently quite large, and represents the entire tri-city area of Andrea-Barletta-Trani, despite Barletta being its administrative capital. While Andria was more important early in the period, Barletta also had its peak under the Hohenstaufen and Angevin Kings, with Trani being quite important as well. Barletta and Trani were important ports for Wine, Fruit and Wheat. Ideally, both would be added, but that is significantly more challenging than fitting one.
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9. Cerignola
The second largest city in Capitanata today, Cerignola is best known for the Battle of Cerignola, where Spain ensured their rule of Naples, and the first major battle won by gunpowder. It was an important town due to its strategic location on Via Trajana, but not very populated by Italian standards early on - with just about 1500 inhabitants during thr famous battle in 1503, though it reached 10000 by the end of the 18th century. Primarily a Wheat growing region, much like the rest of the Tavoliere (of which it is one of the 4 main centers of, the other 3 being already represented), though Olives and Wine are also grown

10. Vieste
Last but certainly not the least, Manfredonia looks awful, and Vieste was a bishopric and one of the most important cities on the Gargano peninsula, with well over 7000 inhabitants in 1554 (when that many were enslaved when the Turks captured the city)

The location of Bovino includes Troia as well, and it might have been the slightly more important city for most of the period? Though they're pretty similar in importance, as they were both bishopric seats.

I love the population system because it means locations like Faeto (or Acquaviva Collecroce in Molise) don't need to exist as locations to represent their minorities!


Molise
Look it's Molise, I really don't have much to say here (though I would add Venafro, it falls under Campania here). It doesn't even get an image, its included under Abruzzo

A: Agnone over Trivento?
There are cases for both here, as Trivento was a diocese center, but Agnone seems more relevant than Trivento, as one of the royal cities and a city that hoped to be the capital of Molise. Regardless of whether it's changed, Agnone had a notable Venetian population that impacted the culture of the city, so the location should have some Venetian culture pops


Abruzzo
Not as many additions here, and the most important one breaks the later district borders you used

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1. Penne
This requires splitting the already small Citta San Angelo location, but Penne was an important city, a royal city and ducal and diocese center, as well as the capital of the large Vestina region. Vestina is mostly known for Olives and Wine

2. Pescara
Chieti and Lanciano are both long thin locations with a coast, despite neither city being coastal. This allows for space to add a coastal location here if the later administrative borders are ignored, representing the port cities of Pescara and Ortona. Pescara is one of the most important cities of Abruzzo today, but it was significantly less important in the Middle Ages - though it did have a very important fortress under Spanish rule, as did Ortona. Fish seems like the most obvious tradegood here, even giving the name to Pescara

3. Amatrice
Not a very important location, but Citta Ducale has very awkward borders, and this splits it along nicer lines. Amatrice was a reasonably important toan only annexed by Naples in the late 13th century (being previously independent and briefly owned by Norcia (see below), retaining significant independence and often warring with neighboring cities and having a mint and dominion over various nearby towns and villages. Wool seems like a good tradegood as shepherds are mentioned as important for its economy.

Other interesting cities include Giulianova near Ascoli or Celano (original capital of Marsica) and Tagliacozzo (duchy center and one of the most important Jewish centers in the south) inland

Also, I hope that the black spot between Aquila and Avezzano is Lake Fucine and not impassable terrain- Fucine should definitely be on the map!


Campania
Across Naples and Sicily, you stuck pretty well to the K2S administrative map, with only further additions when locations were too large or some very important cities were missed. For some reason, that is not the case in Campania - the wealthiest and most populous region of the South thus has the largest locations, and cities of great importance are missing. This is why Campania receives by far the most additions out of any region here (only the huge Apulia is comparable)

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1. Benevento
The most obvious addition, perhaps in all of Italy, Benevento was an exclave of the Papal States throughout the period, which can be represented with only minor exaggeration. Onetime duchy center and later an archbishopic, it had significant autonomy under Papal rule. Primarily produces Fruit and Wine

2. Bisaccia
Far less important, but offers a good split for the Sant'Angelo dei Longobardi location. A diocese center and an old castle and fief. It is noted that Frederick II hunted here, so Wild Game seems like a good tradegood, though Wool and Livestock are also possible.

3. Agropoli
Agropoli is one of the most important towns in Cilento, and during most of the Middle Ages (until 1443) it was a possession of the Bishops of Capaccio, sworn more to the Popes than to Naples. Produces Fruit, Fish, Grain and Livestock

Sapri or Policastro Bussentino can also be added to split the location of Sala Consilina

4. Sorrento (instead of Castellamare)
A small location but an important one - Sorrento was the capital of the eponymous peninsula, and before Southern Italy was unified, of a duchy as well. Castellamare (modern Castellammare di Stabia) is the alternative name of the location, and it was the largest settlement for most of the period. Fruits (especially citrus fruits, nuts, and limoncello), Wine, and Olives are produced on the peninsula, though Sorrento itself is known for its crafts such as ceramics and lacework, making something like Clay a viable option.

5. Amalfi
Onetime seat of the Duchy and Republic of Amalfi, it was one of the most important trading centers in the Mediterranean in the early Middle Ages, and would be an interesting tag for players to revive. In 1337, Amalfi is still a relevant city despite declining from its peak, though a tsunami in 1343 would almost completely destroy it, especially hurting it's port. This is a very small location, so I wouldn't suggest it if Amalfi wasn't so well known.
Amalfi is best known for producing paper, but as that is not a tradegood, Fiber Crops can be used, or one of the goods grown on Sorrento peninsula would fit - Fruit, Olives or Wine. Regardless, it should have a paper-producing building.

6. Nola
Another administrative unit of K2S here subsumed into Caserta, which also makes that location looks far worse. Nola was important too, a diocese (the first one to introduce bells to Christianity!) and a powerful County under the Orsini. Fruit, Wheat or Olives fits as the tradegood

7. Capua
Splitting up the actual Caserta administrative division to make nicer borders, Capua was an important city and previously the capital of an independent Principality. In the early 1500s, it had more than 6000 inhabitants. Since Roman times, Capua has been famous for spelt, a relative of Wheat. Much of the location belongs to the Aversa Wine region.

Aversa is also in this location and was an important county and city, which could also be its own location if there is enough space.

8. Venafro
Splitting up the northern part of the large and oddly shaped Piedimonte, Venafro was for a long time a part of Campania, but was transferred to Molise in modern times. Venafro was also a bishopric center that developed well during the game's period - it was also not under the governance of Piedimonte until the 19th century. Mostly produces Olives, as it has for centuries

9. Montecassino/Pontecorvo
Perhaps not the most important location, as it requires a more significant exaggeration of the real enclave borders to represent it than Benevento, but Montecassino and Pontecorvo formed a Papal States enclave quite close to its borders, and Montecassino was a very important abbey. It was well known for its pottery, so perhaps Clay fits as the tradegood

Sora could also be a vassal tag of Naples, given how long-lasting and autonomous the duchy was.

10. Eboli
A massive fortress of the Principality of Salerno and later Naples, Eboli is the best split for Campagna. Built on marshy lands on an older Roman city, Legumes, Fruit and Livestock were the primary products

11. Pozzuoli
The final K2S administrative division not represented, Pozzuoli was an incredibly importantant port during Roman times, and nearby Baiae and Cumae were important resort towns. Despite decline in the early Middle Ages and earthquakes and eruptions, it grew fast in the 16th and 17th centuries. The location can also represent the nearby island of Ischia, which was very wealthy and populous.The local economy was based on fishing agriculture and Alum mining, so I would definitely represent the Alum.

Ischia could also be a location of its own, and it would certainly warrant it, however I fear the island is too small for your current standards.

12. Fondi
Seat of an independent duchy in early medieval times, seat of the powerful Caetani barons (and later an important possesion of the Colonna, Gonzaga and a principality) and a bishopric centre, Fondi prospered for much of the period before a late decline. Fondi had a notable Jewish community until their expulsion from the Kingdom of Naples. It's principal trade since at least the 16th century was dyeing cloth, so Dyes seem like the best possible tradegood.

Sessa Aurunuca or Teano could also be added to further split Sora

In general, speaking of Naples, is there some representation of its powerful nobility (especially the Seven Great Families), as it has no vassal tags? More than most states, Naples was largely paralyzed from further Italian expansion simply by having to deal with them.


Corsica
Most of Corsica's important cities are represented, with the exception of its south, thus most of the additions are there and in the large Bastia location

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The main problem with Corsica is showing it as entirely under Genovese rule - the lords of Cinarca (Vico location) resisted their conquest for a long time, often backed up by Aragon. Genoa often held little sway apart from a few cities (usually Calvi, Ajaccio and Bonifacio (see below)), and the Kingdom of Corsica was officially granted to the Aragonese by the Pope.

1. Bonifacio
The southernmost city in Corsica, Bonifacio is an old fortress built to protect the island from attacks from Moors. Later, it was an important stronghold of Genoa, and is home to the island's most significant Ligurian community (they exist as well in Ajaccio and Calvi

2. Porto Vecchio
With Bonifacio separated, it seems natural to not have Sartene go from coast to coast - so Porto Vecchio is also added. It is today the largest city in Southern Corsica. The city is known for its salt flats, so Salt is the natural tradegood.

Bonifacio and Porto Vecchio were also the heads of an administrative unit separate from Sartene

Bastia is also quite large, so I'd add one or both of the below locations:

3. Saint Florent/Nebbio
The successor of the ancient city and bishopric of Nebbio, Saint Florent was founded by the Genovese to fortify the north of the island and was granted numerous privileges during their rule. A notable Wine growing region


4. Biguglia
The successor of the city of Mariana, one of the most important cities of Roman Corsica (and it's religious center until 1570), Biguglia was briefly thr bishopric center and the capital of both Genovese and Aragonese Corsica, and the stronghold of the De Bagnaia family before that. It declined after Bastia was founded in the late 14th century. Fruit (especially oranges), Wine and Wool were all produced

Algajola was a Genovese administrative center, and the location would also include L'Ile Rousse, but it would likely make Calvi too small.


Piana would be an interesting location to add, representing the northern inland areas under the rule of the lords of Cinarca, however most of it is currently wasteland


Sardinia
Sardinia has very nice density already, so I don't have too many additions to make, but some of my suggestions are rather important, as is a fix to current locations

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1. Porto Torres
This would make both it and Sassari prerrt small, but it is necessary for correct borders - as it was owned by Genoa and not Aragon in 1337 (it only fell to Aragon in the early 15th century). An old and important city, it gave its name to the Giudicato of Torres, which covers the northwestern part of the island.


A:Iglesias over Carbonia, Xedri de Leni (Villacidro) over Iglesias
Carbonia is a fake city built by Mussolini, so Iglesias is shifted south to take its location, while the current Iglesias becomes Xedri de Leni, representing the Cixerri curatoria (which we can see on several maps have different ownership than nearby locations, such as being Pisan whole Sulcis/Iglesias was owned by the Della Gherardesca

Speaking of Iglesias, the new Iglesias location should produce Silver, as it was one of the most important mines in Europe


2. Padulis de Nura (modern Pula)
Covering the eastern half of Carbonia/Iglesias, the curatorias of Nora and Decimo, and the ancient Roman city of Nora, this city especially developed when its marshes were drained in the 17th and 18th centuries. Olives and Fruit are the main tradegoods produced

3. Jerzu/Lanusei
Eastern Sardinia is somewhat less dense than the West, so I added a location for the inland Ogliastra. Jerzu was the actual capital of Ogliastra (before being succeeded by Lanusei, another city in this location), so it seems like a pretty natural inclusion. Jerzu is famous for the Cannonau di Jerzu Wine, so that's the natural tradegood, though Olives are also produced.

4. Ghilarza
Sorgono could see a split, and Ghilarza was the capital of the Guilcer region within Oristano. Not the most important addition, but it does allow the representation of their famous stonecutters with a Stone tradegood (though Wheat and Livestock were also produced)

Mandas is also a notable settlement in the same location as Isili, probably the more important town early on, but there are arguments for representing either of them.


Umbria
Umbria is done quite well, though several of its most important cities are missing too. The issue with Umbria is that it's shown under Papal rule, which was very much not the case in 1337- almost all of its cities were functionally independent during thr Avignon Papacy until Cardinal Albornoz's campaigns in the 1350s, with some resisting or staying autonomous until far later

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1. Foligno
A large city and a powerful lordship under the Trinci since 1305, Foligno controlled most of the nearby cities, including Assisi, and completely flaunted Papal authority until 1439. If Foligno isn't added, I would simply replace Assisi with it, given its much greater importance. Foligno was a rich city, with wood, paper, yarn, ceramics, silver, and gold all worked.

2. Terni
Another very important city (and a province capital today), Terni was highly autonomous, issuing it's own constitution in the 14th century and being fully incorporated into Papal territory only in 1564. Terni had 6000-7000 people in the beginning of 15th century, more than Narni and Spoleto. Terni has been a center of ironworking for centuries, being one of Italy's first industrial cities, stemming from nearby Iron mines, making Iron the obvious tradegood, though there were also Copper mines

3. Norcia
Less important than the previous two (but also splitting the larger Spoleto), but Norcia was also an important city, and the home to the Benedictine order and an independent city until 1354. Norcia is especially known for its wild boar hunting and specialties, making Wild Game a good tradegood, though domestic swine were grown too, so Livestock is also an option.

As mentioned above, other Umbrian cities should also be independent- Spoleto until 1354, Todi (which in 1290 had 40000 people and was the largest Umbrian city) until 1367, Narni until the early 15th century and Rieti until 1354 (though it remained highly autonomous)


Narni was named Narnia in this period- while the spelling of Narni appeared in the 13th century already, it only became the official name after the French Revolution. This is in fact what inspired C.S Lewis to name his Narnia!

Magione on Lake Trasimene would also be possible good addition from Perugia and Marsciano, as an important fortified abbey. Speaking of Lake Trasimene, it really should be added to the map.


Lazio
With Rome sucking up so much wealth and attention, the rest of Lazio had less large cities, and most of them are well represented- but there are a few interesting locations that can be added

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1. Castro/Toscanella
Castro was home to a powerful Farnese duchy that was de facto independent in the 16th and 17th centuries, ruled in personal union with their Parman holdings. The city was destroyed during the 17th century Castro wars, and it's ancient diocese moved elsewhere. The most important city in the location for the rest of the period was Toscanella (modern Tuscania). There certainly seems to be space for the location, given how far inland Corneto goes currently. Toscanella long paid a grain tribute to Rome, so Wheat seems like the best tradegood.

2. Nepi
A seat of a duchy in the early middle ages and later a free municipality and a Borgia castle (under whom it was a duchy again), as well as a feud of other notable Roman families - including the Farnese, with the Duchy of Castro being known as the Duchy of Castro and Nepi as well. The location also includes Civita Castelanna, another important commune and later road hub. Nepi is famed for its mineral springs and as the origin of catnip, so Medicaments seem fitting as the tradegood. Nepi milk is also well known, so Livestock is also a possible tradegood.

3. Nettuno
The successor of Roman Antium, Nettuno was an important castle and fief of the Colonna family (being one of their centers of power, alongside Palestrina). Today the biggest city in this area is Anzio, founded by the Popes on lands purchased from Nettuno. Nettuno is known for the Cacchione Wine, produced since Roman times



There are many small lakes in the region, and adding them would really make the geography more interesting- Lake Bolsena and Lake Bracciano primarily, with Lake Vico also perhaps being large enough to add.


A: Poggio Mirteto/Monterotondo over Sabina
Sabina is the name of the region, I would rename the location after one of its two centers - Poggio Mirteto or Monterotondo (or split the location between the two)

B: Alatri/Anagni
I am not sure what location this currently is? Regardless, for most of the period (before the rise of Frosinone), Alatri and Anagni were the two most important cities, so I would choose one of them (with both of them being difficult to fit)

Velletri and Viterbo, as well as Alatri/Anagni, should at least also be separate tags in 1337, though Velletri should be sworn to the Pope. Viterbo was ruled by the powerful di Vico family, and in 1338 it's loyal ruler Faziolo was deposed and murdered by his brother Giovanni di Vico, who spent the next 30 years being a thorn in the side of the Popes and running much of Lazio.


Marche
I really don't envy you here, Marche is a difficult region to represent, with so many independent lordships of similar importance. I think you did a great job already, so I only have a few additions to make

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1. Recanati
Important city just south of Ancona (mostly taking from the larger Fermo), Recanati was an independent republic built on several Roman cities, as well as a bishopric ("stolen" from nearby Osimo) which enjoyed a long period of prosperity, with its own mint and constitution and jewelry industry.

Osimo could also be a location of its own, but there probably isn't space for it.

2. Tolentino
Camerino is much larger than nearby locations, and it's Da Varano lordship more powerful than most, so I thought the additional location was warranted - especially as Tolentino was a diocese and at times an independent lordship as well. The city had prosperous tanneries, textile manufacturies and mills and a copper processing industry.

3. Iesi
Another one of the most important cities in the region ( a rival to Ancona), an independent commune and diocese, a royal city of the HRE and the main center of Sforza power in Marche. Famous for its Wine and various Livestock products.

4. Cagli/Fossombrone
Pesaro expands awkwardly inland when the main lordship was very coastal. This area was contested between the lords of Pesaro and Urbino (until those two united), with periods of independence as well. The two most important cities in this area were Fossombrone and Cagli. Fossombrone, ruled by the Malatesta of Pesaro in this period (who succeeded the Este of Ferrara), would flourish once it was sold to the Montefeltro of Urbino. Cagli was an independent commune and diocese with 7200 inhabitants in 1312. Wool and Silk were grown in both Cagli and Fossombrone.

Depending on the sizes, both Cagli and Fossombrone could possibly be represented.

Montefeltro is the name of a region, not city. The best possible name is probably Mercantino Marecchia (modern Novafeltria), the biggest town and trading center of the region

I would also really love to represent Senigalia and/or Fano between Pesaro and Ancona, but there really isn't space- and I guess representing the main 3 cities of the Pentapolis should be enough

San Severino would also be another location that would be great to fit, as an independent commune, but I don't see a good way for it


Emilia-Romagna

Already very well done for such a complex region, but it does contain two of the most notable omissions in all of Italy, in Forli and Massa/Carrara

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1. Forli
One of the most obvious omissions in all of Italy (alongside Benevento and Savona), especially with how much larger Cesena is than nearby locations. Forli was the de facto capital of Romagna and a powerful lordship under various families, most notably the Ordelaffi and later Caterina Sforza and Cesare Borgia. Grain and Silk are the primary products, I would obviously prioritize Silk.

2. Carpegna
Splitting off the southern inland parts of Cesena, Carpegna was an important feudal lordship and later principality that played the Malatesta and Montefeltro against each other to survive. This is also the area where San Marino is located, and given its small size and lack of political involvement in the period, representing Carpegna instead seems like a good compromise to me. The Principality produced gunpowder and traded in salt, so perhaps Saltpeter is a good tradegood here?

Cervia would be a nice location to fit in Romagna too, disputed between Cesena and Ravenna and a major salt producer, if space can be found for it.

3. Adria
Further representing the Polesine region and ensuring it has correct borders, Adria has for centuries been the second most important city if the region, a diocese and its main port - and was even more important in Roman times. Fish and Salt seem appropriate as tradegoods

4. Cento
Further splitting the long Ferrara location, Cento was notable for the Partecipanza Agraria, where land was continuously redistributed in each generation between its original founding families. A Wheat growing region, but Fruit and Livestock were also produced

The area of the small lordships north of the Este lands is a mess, and I'm glad to see so many locations representing it - though I might choose slightly different ones

A: Carpi over Nonantola/Corregio over Mirandola?
I could see the arguments for both Carpi and Nonantola - the first as a Principality and larger city later in the period, and the second as an important medieval center and powerful abbey, and the same goes for Corregio being picked over Mirandola, both independent principalities

B: Pavullo nel Frignano over Frassinoro
I can't read the name of the location south of Modena - is it Frassinoro? In that case, Pavullo nel Frignano seems like the far more fitting location, as a more important town and fortress

Lunigiana was one of the most politically complex regions of Italy, so I was disappointed to see you representing it with a single location and missing its two most important cities - I try to rectify that

5. Massa-Carrara
This also seems like a major omission - Massa and Carrara were both important cities, and though separate at times, they were very close and united often enough to be one location. They're certainly the most important cities in Lunigiana. The tradegood should obviously be Marble, for the famous Carrara quarries

6. Fosdinovo
As you chose to represent Fivizzano, I am adding the other important lordship of inland Lunigiana, the Marquisate of Fossinovo, held by the Malaspina for much of its history, who succeeded the Bishops of Luni. Olives and Fruit are the primary products, alongside Honey (if introduced)

Ideally, a fourth location would be added for Pontremoli, but that seems like an overkill.


Tuscany
Already very dense, but there are a few notable omissions, especially among my first suggestions here.

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1. Orbetello
Very obvious addition, representing the Stato Dei Presidi (including other towns such as Porto Ercole and Ansedonia), later a longstanding exclave of Naples/Spain. Wool seems like a good tradegood, as it's mentioned that there were many shepherds in the area

2. Elba
Another obvious one, Elba is certainly large enough and has history slightly different from the rest of Piombino, and was of course home to the very short lived Empire. The tradegood should of course be Iron, given its famous mines.

Scarliano could be separated from Piombino as well, but that seems far less necessary given the location sizes

3. Castiglione
Just south of Scarliano, Castiglione (della Pescaia) does seem like an interesting location to add however, as it was a more important town and at times an exclave of Naples/Aragon, after Pisan rule and being an independent commune - in 1337 it would still be owned by Pisa, unlike the rest of the current Grosseto location. Fish seems like a fitting tradegood

Note on Grosseto - it had long fought for independence from Siena, being last conquered in 1328 and trying another revolt in 1355. It should absolutely have a revolter tag and be unhappy under the Sienese rule

4. Murlo
Another possible addition within Siena, Murlo was owned by the Archbishops of Siena and had significant autonomy from the republic, being basically a vassal fief of their own. Wool, Wine, Olives, and Wild Game are all options for the tradegood

5. San Gimignano
San Gimignano and Colle di Val'Elsa were small independent lordships just to the northeast of Volterra, they were separate states and eventually separate administrative units under Florentine rule (after 1349) so I believe they warrant inclusion. San Gimignano seems like the more important one of the two, so it would be my choice for the location and tag. San Gimignano is especially famous for its Saffron, so Spices are the obvious tradegood, though Wine and Livestock are also possible. Colle is well known for its crystal glass industry.

6. Bibienna
Borgo San Lorenzo is quite large compared to most nearby locations, so I would split it up by adding Bibbiena, an important castle and walled town. The location also includes Poppi, another important walled town. Both are centers of the Casentino Valley, primarily known for its Cloth production, but sheep herding and chestnut and apple growing were also common, so I would give it Wool or Fruit as the tradegood

I would really love to add Montepulciano, for its famous wines and communal independence, but it seems too small to fit

7. Capalbio
As Sovana is still quite large even with Orbetello added (and the historical lordship of Sovana and Pitigliano was often smaller and landlocked), Capalbio is another good location to add, disputed between the Aldobrandeschi of Sovana, Siena, Florence/Tuscany and Spain. The town produced cloth, but Fish seems most fitting as a raw tradegood

Santa Fiora is also in this region, but is represented well enough by Sovana

A: Vernio over Mangona? Or owning it?
Vernio was an independent lordship that survived between Tuscany and the Este lands, and while Mangona seems like the more important settlement, it was owned by the Bardi lords of Vernio since 1322 (until 1341 when Florence seized it, but the rest of Vernio remained independent until 1814)


Liguria
Liguria is another very difficult region, as there are so many important cities and independent lordships on this narrow stretch of coast, but I wanted to add the two most important ones

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1. Savona (+Noli)
One of the most important cities left out of your map, Savona is one of the three most important cities of Liguria, and was for centuries an independent republic and local rival to Genoa until it was conquered in 1528. A province center today. Also includes Noli, a small republic that lasted far longer. Wine would be a good tradegood

2. Oneglia (also including Dolceacqua)
Might be more difficult to fit due to size of Ventimiglia and Albenga, but Oneglia and Dolceacqua were important possessions of the famous Doria family and their centers of power. Eventually Oneglia was acquired by Savoy, being their enclave within Liguria. Both are very well known for their Olives (Imperia, a province center and the successor to Oneglia, even has a museum dedicated to them)

Chiavari or Rapallo are possible additions between Genoa and Lavagna, but I don't see a particular need for them as they were also Fieschi lordships. Torriglia would be useful inland, as it was a fief of most of the important Genovese families through history, but I'm not sure there is space for it. Splitting up La Spezia and Sarzana would also be possible, but space is again the issue.

I mentioned it primarily as a part of the France feedback, but I will repeat my suggestion to add Tende, as a location and very interesting playable tag under the Lascaris dynasty.

Piemont
Incredibly complex region, outside of a few obvious suggestions I'm honestly also struggling to think of how I would draw it

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First, Cuneo should not belong to Saluzzo in 1337, but to Provence, as one of the main Angevin possessions in Piedimont. Provencal rule lasted from 1259 to 1382, with the exception of 1281-1305 and briefly in 1356 (under Saluzzo), 1347-48 (first time under Savoy), and 1348-1356 and 1366-1372 (under Visconti of Milan). From this, in 1337 it should solidly be under Provence

1. Casteldelfino
With Cuneo's odd shape as a location, I added Casteldelfino, a key fort that guarded Alpine passes of the Varaita Valley. Casteldelfino was disputed between Saluzzo and Dauphine, being owned by the later between 1330 and 1349 (when it became a part of the autonomous republic of the Escartons under French protection). Fruit and Livestock are the most important local tradegoods

2. Acqui Terme
There is space from Alessandria and Incisa to make an addition here, and Acqui is the obvious one, as an important city and formerly an independent bishopric, annexed to Montferrat in 1278, which would also allow it to represent the southern possesions of the powerful Marquisate in 1337. A notable Jewish community is mentioned. Acqui Terme is best known for its Wine.

3. Clavesana
Another of the independent Marquisates in southern Piedmont - it also allows for Savoy to be contiguous after acquiring Clavesana and while Montferrat owns Alba. The area produces Wine, Fruit and Wheat

4. Chivasso
Further buffing Montferrat by splitting off the western parts of the eponymous location, Chivasso was another important city one of the most important in Montferrat, as it housed it's mint underat the Aleramici and was its capital under the Paleologos dynasty. Fruit fits, to represent the notable local hazelnut production.

Two of the most important cities in northern Piedmont are missing, and Vercelli is quite large, so I added Ivrea and Vercelli

5. Ivrea
Capital of the ancient March of Ivrea, and later a free commune disputed between its bishops, Montferrat and Savoy (finally falling to the last in 1356). Had a notable Jewish community. Much like Biella, Wool and Silk were the primary products.

6. Biella
Sworn to the bishops of Vercelli (and through them, to Milan in 1337), Biella rose in importance through the period (and is a province capital today). Wool is the most famous industry in the region, though Silk also become important later.

7. Masserano
A powerful county (and later marquisate and principality) of the Fieschi family, more connected to the Papal State rather than Milan or Savoy, though this state only came to exist in 1394. It also includes the marquisate of Crevacuore. It splits the somewhat large Novara location too. Wool fits as a tradegood here as well

Of course, other lordships like Savigliano, Cherasco and Fossano exist in the south, while Orta San Giulio existed northwest of Arona, but those would all be difficult to fit

Finally, a common problem in northern Italy is naming locations after the valleys rather than the cities or towns that were their capitals - I will simply suggest the best possible name

Borgosessia over Valsesia

Domodossola over Val 'd Ossola

Cirie over Val di Lanzo


Veneto
Very dense and well done already, but I have some suggestions of course

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1. Cittadella
With Castelfranco being added on the Treviso side of the border, it seems natural to add Cittadella to Padua, it's counter fortress in the times of conflict between the two greater communes. Cittadella remained prominent under Venetian rule, where it retained autonomy from Padua and was a prominent market center for a large rural area - though it was less privileged than Castelfranco. Grain makes sense as a tradegood

2. Mestre
Representing the peninsular side of the Venetian lagoon, Mestre spent this period deeply connected to Venice - they would in fact conquer it very shortly after the game start, in September 1337 and since then it has basically served as it's suburb and defense. Even under the rule of Treviso and Verona it was a prominent fortress however. Salt makes the most sense as the tradegood due to it being on the Lagoon

3. Asiago/ Seven Communes
Now this would require removing (or greatly reducing) the size of a wasteland. I believe it's worth it, as Asiago was the capital of the Seven Communes (Siben Komoin), the center of Cimbrian culture, a small Germanic culture spread across Northern Veneto and Trento and which should be added to the game, as they're attested since at least the 14th century (and are likely much older). The communes had significant autonomy since 1310, first under Verona and later Milan and Venice and could be represented as a vassal tag. Livestock is the best tradegood as the area is known for Asiago cheese

Cadore should be named after its capital, Pieve di Cadore, and can be split to follow historical borders:

4. Cortina d'Ampezzo
Splitting off from Cadore, improving the awkward borders of the location and representing the part of Cadore that was a part of Austria for much of the period. Alongside Val di Fassa and Val di Non, it's the center of Ladin culture and language, another small culture to be added to the region. Lumber cutting and Iron mining are the main tradegoods produced

Cadore/Pieve di Cadore and Cortina d'Ampezzo should belong to Aquilea rather than Verona at this point, or they should be in rebellion, as the last da Camino lord of Cadore died fighting against the Patriarchs in 1335, but his daughters were still leading a rebellion until 1347

5. Soave
Splitting up Verona and giving it nicer borders, Soave was an important and massive castle under the Scaglieri. Soave is well known for the Soave white wine, so that is the natural tradegood

There are other notable locations here as well, such as Cologna Veneta, a city directly sworn to Venice rather than nearby cities in the later period (but its very small), or Velo Veronese, representing Lessinia, the western part of the Cimbrians, but with the minority system, you could simply add some Cimbrians to the Soave location instead

Ceneda had very powerful prince-bishops, perhaps it should be a vassal tag?


Friuli
Friuli has some locations noticeably larger than Veneto, and many important towns and cities missing, so there are quite a few additions here.

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1. Portogruaro (Pordenone location to Austria)
Pordenone should be a small location to represent it's enclave lordship of the House of Habsburg. As Pordenone goes to Austria, the larger, southern half of the location becomes Portogruaro (along with a little bit of Venice, to make the notable port coastal). Portogruaro remained autonomous and wealthy under early Venetian rule later as well. Fish fits as a tradegood, but Portogruaro is known for having one of the oldest still operating industries in the world, a boat yard founded in 1438.

2. Latisana
Udine is a huge location, so it's southern half is split as Latisana. Latisana was an important river port, especially noted for its Salt trade, with significant autonomy under Aquilea. As mentioned, Salt would be the best tradegood.

3. Monfalcone
I redrew Aquilea to better match the later Austrian borders in the region - this allows for a small new location for the Venetian enclave surrounded by Austria. This location includes the cities of Grado and Monfalcone, with Monfalcone being the more important one - Grado was just a village despite being the center of a Patriarchate in name, as the Patriarchs lived in Venice since the 11th century and Monfalcone was an imposing fortress. Salt or Sand make the most sense as the tradegood.

As usual with regional names, Carnia should be named Tolmezzo, and its size allows for a split to its east:

4. Moggio/Tarvisio
Tarvisio is the capital of the Val Canale, and it is the tripoint where Germanic, Latin and Slavic Europe meet, being mostly Slovene in the Middle Ages. Nearby Moggio (Udinese) was a powerful abbey. The region has numerous Iron mines

5. Idrija
Splitting up Tolmin into more nicely shaped locations, Idrija is best known for its Mercury mine, one of the oldest and largest in the world

6. Duino
Just to the north of Trieste, Duino was the seat of the powerful Lords of Duino, which also held territories in Slovenia. After the lordship was absorbed by the Habsburg, the castle served as a favourite retreat for them, especially for hunting, so Wild Game would be a good tradegood.

Forni di Sopra would also he an interesting location to add due to its powerful Savorgnan nobles, but there really is no space due to the wasteland to the west of Spillimbergo.


Lombardy
Another very dense region, I do not have many additions to make here

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1. Crema
One of the more important additions, Crema was an important city and an exclave of Venice for most of the period. Milan had just conquered it in 1335, but it regained independence between 1403 and 1423 and became Venetian in 1449, staying so until it's fall in 1799. Venetian rule made it wealthy and safe from the decline of the rest of Lombardy, and the city's industries, mostly based around Wool, prospered

2. Codogno
Added as space was available between Lodi and Cremona, Codogno was an important fortified town owned by the bishops of Lodi and a rich commercial center, with over 8000 inhabitants in the 16th century. The city is known for its quinces and apples, making Fruit the natural tradegood, thought Livestock products were also exported.

3. Vigevano
Lomello is quite large, and Vigevano, the actual capital of Lomellina in the period, is not represented, making this an obvious addition, the most important in Lombardy alongside Crema. As with the rest of Lomellina, Rice was the main product.

If Vigevano is not added as a new location, I would simply replace Lomello with it

4. Gravedona
Splitting the awkwardly shaped Como location, the towns of Gravedona (as the capital), Songo and Sorico formed the Tre Pievi Republic, which had significant autonomy under Como and Mikan until the 16th century. The region was also briefly a part of the Swiss Confederation, unlike the rest of the Como location. Even here in the mountains, Wine is a good choice for the tradegood.

5. Morbegno
Splitting the large Sondrio (yes, I know the current locations in Valtellina match it's 3 historical divisions, but Sondrio is far larger than Chiavenna and Bormio. Morbegno is the best possible split, as the second most important city in the location (though Tirano is also a possibility). Copper processing and silk growing were the main two industries in the town

As with other non-city names,
Lumezzane should replace Val Sabbia, Breno should replace Val Camonica and Clusone should replace Vall'Alta.

Not labeled here, but perhaps Martinengo should replace Cortenuova? Cortenuova saw a big Guelph-Ghibelline battle in 1237, but otherwise Martinengo seems like the more important city?

Ostiglia should be owned by Verona in 1337- the Scaglieri took it in 1308, and held it for far longer than most Veronese conquests - until 1381. The Gonzaga of Mantova only took it in 1391


Tyrol/Trento

Not sure whether this counts as Italy or the HRE, but I am making some suggestions here first

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1. Borgo Valsugana
Almost the whole Valsugana, a part of Tyrol and Austria, is here impassable terrain despite being an important historical route. I changed that by adding a connection between Bolzano and Belluno. Valsugana was disputed between Tyrol and the cities of Veneto, and it was a key Iron mining region.

2. Salorno
Splitting the jutting out southern parts od Bolzano and separating it and Trent, Salorno is the most Italian part of Sudtirol. It was the location of the powerful Haderburg castle, especially important in the Middle Ages.

3. Tione (modern Tione di Trento)
Simply adding an important town in the area, to match the Riva location with its more historical extent of influence and representing the autonomousGiudicarie region of western Trento. Tione is noted for its candles, in case Honey/Apiculture is ever added

The Prince-Bishopric of Brixen should be independent of Austria, and should own the town of Bruneck, though not most of its current location- a redraw will be suggested in the HRE thread.

Finally, Schlanders/Silandro should be used over Val Venosta



Istria
Not a part of Italy today, but certainly historically, and there are only two new locations.

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1. Capodistria (Koper)
Another one of the most obvious omissions in all of Italy, as the name implies it was the capital of Venetian Istria, before it being Aquilean until 1278. Koper had ~10 000 to 12 000 inhabitants in the 16th century at its peak, and was the chief port of the region until Trieste developed in the 18th century. Also allows for approximation of the modern borders and Slovene sea access. The area had many salt flats, so Salt is the natural tradegood.

2. Albona (Labin)
Currently awkwardly part of Pazin when it shouldn't be for most of the period- Labin was an independent city state republic before the dukes of Pazin acquired it in 1295, after which it passed to Aquilea in 1381 and with it to Venice in 1420, remaining Venetian until the republic fell. Labin has the largest Coal mines in Croatia, exploited early as well, so that should definitely be represented.

Again, apologies for dropping this so late - I hope there is still time for this to be considered for the Italy feedback @Pavía ?
 
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Dear @Nikicaga

Thank you for your in-depth analysis and suggestions on the whole of Italy.

I have some further feedback concerning Piedmont, the area I know better. I agree with many suggestions, but not all (even if I appreciate the reasons underlying them).

I think that we should set a clear order of priorities for additional locations in Piedmont, for the scenario in which developers (@Pavía and team) cannot add too many of them. Also taking into account your ideas, I propose the following scale of priorities:

High priority:
  1. Savigliano (can be also Cherasco or Fossano) (reducing Alba and a small portion of Carmagnola)
  2. Chivasso (reducing Montferrat location)
  3. Biella (reducing Vercelli)

Middle priority:

5. Valle Stura (or Demonte or Vinadio) (reducing Cuneo by taking away the current snake portion)


Low priority:

4. Masserano (EDIT: I initially had in under middle priority, but after realizing how close is to the to be added Biella, I am less inclined to add it).
6. Clavesana (reducing Ceva)
7. Val Varaita (or Casteldelfino) (creating a valley between Saluzzo and Dauphiné)


Renamed locations:
  • Incisa to Acqui
  • Canavese to Ivrea

(Later edit) See below map where I tried to draw the new provinces (check the numbers in the list above for correspondence).

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Generally speaking, more locations are always welcome. However, if we need to set priorities, I think adding all of them to Piedmont would be too much. For some locations, I have more specific reservations (see below).


Specific Suggestions and Explanations:
  • Casteldelfino: Respectfully disagree because Casteldelfino/Val Varaita are not currently represented on the map.
    • The current map's depiction of what you define as Cuneo's "strange shape" actually represents Valle Stura, leading to Argentera/ Colle della Maddalena/ Col de Larche, rather than Valle Varaita where Casteldelfino is located. While Valle Stura was not an easy passage for armies, it was notably used by Francis I in 1515 to invade Italy, surprising the Swiss who guarded the northern passages like Susa, and leading to his victory at Marignano. Differently, I don't recall major army passages through Val Varaita/Casteldelfino during the game period, though I might be mistaken.
    • I would keep the current location of Cuneo as it is, including Valle Stura (also to represent Cuneo's historical role as fortress on the southern side of Piedmont). If not, add a location "Valle Stura." I would not add Val Varaita, which would in any case connect the Saluzzo location with the French side.
  • Acqui: Rename Incisa into Acqui.
    • I agree that Acqui is an excellent choice, but it should not be an additional location. Instead, it should replace Incisa, maintaining more or less the same shape or slightly moving eastward.
  • Clavesana: I am not persuaded on adding Clavesana, or at most doing I suggest it by splitting the northern part of the Ceva location.
    • Clavesana was a very minor player, ruled by the Aleramic dynasty like nearby Ceva, Finale/Carretto and Saluzzo (and Montferrat before the Paleologi). It makes sense to represent it together with Ceva. In the nearby area, there's more need for an additional location in the plain between Mondovì and Carmagnola. Savigliano, Cherasco, or Fossano — all relevant towns at the start date— would be better choices for this purpose.
    • Adding Savigliano and connecting it to Chieri would allow a decent representation of Savoy expansion towards the south, as both Savigliano and Mondovì came under Savoy control by the end of the 14th century.
  • Chivasso: Add Chivasso location.
    • I agree with improving the depiction of Montferrat by adding Chivasso.
  • Ivrea and Biella: Rename Canavese into Ivrea and add Biella location.
    • I think Ivrea, traditionally the main town of Canavese, should be the new name for the Canavese location rather than an additional location (unless there is a strong case to represent Ivrea and other areas of Canavese with two different locations). Biella should be added as a location.
  • Masserano: No strong position.
    • I have no strong position on Masserano as I'm not very familiar with the area. Including it to break up the large Novara region makes sense (EDIT: after realizing that Masserano would take part out of the Vercelli and "to-be-Biella" locations, I am less inclined to add it).

Status of Cuneo: As written in prior posts, I agree to giving it to Provence directly or as vassal.


In summary, please take my comments on your suggestions as good faith attempts to improve the portrait of Piedmont based on what is possible. I would really appreciate your feedback and look forward to your and other users' comments.
 
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A couple of things to mention about the area around Venice:

-The Cadore location (north of Venice) was until 1335 under the rule of the Treviso family of Da Camino. In 1335 Rizzardo VI da Camino died, who had no male heirs, and Cadore sought imperial protection and became a largely autonomous domain of the Counts of Tyrol, until it came under the Patriarchate of Aquileia in 1347. As far as I can tell, the Della Scala family had nothing to do with Cadore, as it appears on the map. The location of Cadore should be either under Tyrol (perhaps with an event related to the Cadore Statutes/Statuti cadorini leading the location to independence from Tyrol) or as an independent location given its extensive autonomy under Tyrol;

-The main culture of the Trieste location should not be Venetian, but Friulian (since the main language of Trieste at the time was the Tergestino dialect, which was strongly related to Friulian speech). Until the 19th-20th centuries, the Tergestino dialect, was the main language in the city and in some neighboring municipalities such as in Muggia (Muggesano).The current dialect of Trieste, which closely resembles Venetian, began to become the main language of the city from the time when under Austria Trieste became a major trading port (1719), growing from a few thousand to tens of thousands of inhabitants of different backgrounds who found in the colonial-style Venetian dialect a common language. From that time the Tergestine dialect, resembling Friulian, was replaced in Trieste and its environs by the modern Triestine dialect, resembling Venetian. Search for "Dialetto Tergestino" on google;

-I think that the location of Peschiera del Garda, just west of Verona, should be of Venetian culture with a Lombard minority, and not of Lombard culture with a Venetian minority as indicated by the map. I can't find any source that indicates a majority Lombard culture in the area. Around Peschiera, there were certainly strong Lombard minorities, but since the location also covers the entire eastern coast of Lake Garda (which should be entirely of Venetian culture, being closely linked to Verona), I think it should be primarily Venetian with a Lombard minority;

-As mentioned by others, the locations of Rovereto and Trento should be of Venetian culture (Trento maybe with a Ladin minority), and the location of Riva should be of Lombard culture with a Ladin minority. Certainly, the area did not have a majority of South Bavarian culture as ahowed in your map. However, you could consider including a South Bavarian minority in the locations of Vicenza, Bassano, and Verona to represent the populations of the Cimbri: a German-speaking minority that settled in the mountainous areas of that region, called upon by bishops to repopulate the area in the 11th-12th centuries.

-I don't understand if the Transpadana Ferrarese is included in the location of Rovigo, southwest of Venice. If it is, I think that the location of Rovigo should also have an Emilian minority. Rovigo has always been a city of Venetian culture, but the entire area of the Transpadana Ferrarese, which, looking at the map, seems to be included in the location, has always been largely of Emilian language and culture, even today. Search on Google for "Transpadana Ferrarese";

-I would categorize the location of Ceneda (North of Venice) as Hills terrain, not Mountains terrain, as the area mostly corresponds with the UNESCO World Heritage Prosecco Hills, which I wouldn't absolutely define as mountainous (maybe it shouldn't be Farmlands either). Meanwhile, I would categorize the location of Spilimbergo as Hills terrain. It's true that Spilimbergo is in the Venetian-Friulian Plain, but looking at your map, the Spilimbergo location mostly includes hills and the Carnic Prealps, which are a mountainous area: therefore, Hills terrain seems like a good compromise to me;

-Maybe I would also consider changing the terrain of Vicenza to Hills; but I would also consider changing the name of the location of Lonigo to "Vicenza", and renaming the location of Vicenza to perhaps "Thiene". It seems more geographically accurate given the areas occupied by the two locations, and in that case Thiene should be Hills terrain;

-There's a case to be made for categorizing the terrain of the location of Chioggia (southwest of Venice) as Marshes. At the time, the lower course of the Po River still had the Padusa Valley, which, until the Venetian hydraulic works of the 16th century, was a marshy and unhealthy area. As you categorized the nearby locations of Venice and Comacchio as Marshes, I'd do the same for Chioggia. Search for "Valle Padusa" on google;

-You might also include a Friulian cultural minority in the location of Gorizia (Gorica), considering that, despite having a countryside mainly of Slovenian language and culture, Friulian should have already been the language of the relative majority of the population in the city at that time due to Friulian immigration to Gorizia that began in the 11th century.

Thank you for your work, anyway, you've done an admirable job! Congratulations to whoever you've hired to navigate and create these maps.
 
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Hi @Pavía ,

I present my proposal for Friuli. As can be seen from the pictures and the table below, I propose that Friuli is its own area with three provinces (Trieste, Friuli and Karnia) and 12 locations. With such a density that is comparable to Italy and Austria. I hope the pictures and the table are reasonable so that I don't get bogged down, otherwise ask.


Map of Provinces

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Political map

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Map of Goods

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Map of Topography

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Map of Vegetation

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Table of Localisation

FriuliTrieste
7Trieste (Ita.), Triest (Fri. Ger.), Trst (Slo.)Commune of TriesteHorses
8Duino (Ita.), Devin (Slo.), Tybein (Ger.)Lords of DuinoLumber
9Aquileia (Ita.), Olee / Acuilee (Fri.), Oglej (Slo.)Patriarchate of AquileiaWheat
Friuli
13Cividale (Ita.), Cividât (Fri.), Čedad (Slo.), Altenstsdt (Ger.)Patriarchate of AquileiaWine
14Udine (Ita.), Udin (Fri.), Videm (Slo.), Weiden (Ger.)Patriarchate of AquileiaWheat
14ALatisana (Ita.), Tisane (Fri.)Patriarchate of AquileiaSalt
15Gemona (Ita.), Glemone (Fri.), Humin (Slo.), Klemaun (Ger.)Patriarchate of AquileiaLivestock
17Spengenberg (Ger.), Spilimbergo (Ita.), Spilimberc (Fri.)Patriarchate of AquileiaLivestock
18Pordenone (Ita.), Pordenon (Ven., Fri.)House of HabsburgFruit
19Portogruaro (Ita.), Porto (Ven.), Puart (Fri.)Patriarchate of AquileiaWheat
Carnia
16Tolmezzo (Ita.), Tumieç (Fri.), Tolmeč (Slo.), Schönfeld (Ger.), Schunvelt (Tim.)Patriarchate of AquileiaCopper
16AForni di Sopra (Ita.), For Disore (Fri.)Patriarchate of AquileiaStone

Notes:

Ita.. – Italian name
Fri. – Friulian name
Ven. – Venetian name
Slo. – Slovenian name
Ger. – German name
Tim – Timavese name
 

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