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Glad to see someone recognise the generous time I have allowed for people to catch up... The grace-period has now ended, or at least been temporarily suspended by the latest update... Great to find out I've guided you to the masterpiece that is TBE. You're very welcome.

Great to see Avon still going strong. I'll have to try and catch up sometime.

Edit: Just read about the deceased computer. You hate to see it. I'm looking forward to the few updates you still have in the pipeline, and wish you all the best with your future endeavours.
Thank you very much for leading me to TBE. I would never have started a fifteen-year-old HoI2 without the nudge. @El Pip is like an ancient Greek philosopher dispensing nuggets of knowledge with us gathered around his feet. TBC (I think that his epithet is a homage to TBE) is like a pupil trying to get the teacher's attention.
 
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The HRE is doing well, even if the travelers are causing chaos...

I hope Lightning's alright.
Thank you for reading and commenting. The HRE does well, if it doesn't self-destruct. The major problem that I have seen is the Emperor converting (I have seen Sunni Emperors). This game was a very low-key relaxed HRE even the vassals were not very aggressive. I recently played a game where the Empire added the Kingdoms of Denmark and Hungary (eventually spun off as the Empire of Carpathia). The Empire was at peace in 1425 and trying to reclaim a de jure barony in 1400. I do not think that there was a defensive pact against the HRE.

I cannot speak on Lightning's health due to privacy rules (does HIPPA apply to dragons?). If a dragon's wing is like a pitcher's elbow, then surgery will probably be required. Maybe Dr. @The Kingmaker or @streaker77 as emergency contact can give us a follow-up. I am hoping and praying for the best.
 
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What a fun read, @Midnite Duke. Barbarossa, eh? Hopefully I don't suffer his fate. Er, do I?

And thanks for the shout out to my Norman Knights AAR. I have a soft spot for that one.
Kaiser @Lord Durham dies not crossing a river, but rather in his sleep (natural causes). He sees a successful Egypt crusade, but the Holy Land is lost to a Sunni Jihad. In the 1220s, the events are reversed with the Catholics taking the Holy Land and the Sunnis reclaiming Egypt. The long crusade (over two decades) would eventually put Egypt on the Catholic side for good by 1300 while there would not be another successful Sunni Jihad until 1410s with a victory in Al-Jazira. Al-Jazira would be almost immediately reclaimed by the King of Crusader Syria. Kaiser @Lord Durham would outlive his nemesis, Sultan Saladin. Before the Kaiser's death, three of Saladin's successors (two sons and a child grandson) would be murdered (two suspicious circumstances, one known). The fourth successor (a grandson also named Saladin) may be my favorite AI character as he ruled over seventy-five years (first met at age four, two weeks into reign) and took office on my birthday.

Your de Hautevilles are doing you proud as they are ruling the Kingdom of Sicily (southern Italy, island of Sicily and a swath of North Africa) and have the ninth largest realm in 1425.

The 1187 bookmark has Barbarrosa, Eleanor of Aquitaine and Saladin as playable characters for civ6 fans with Genghis Khan around the corner. Eleanor is joined by her husband, King Henry II, and their sons, Richard and John. Besides the de Hautevilles, there are d'Ivreas and Capets in western Europe.

Thank you for reading and commenting.
 
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That sounds interesting!

Do you mind (when you get the chance, no rush) checking which county has the strait crossing and what duchy Dyrrachion belongs (and other counties in the duchy)?
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Does this answer your question? Dyrrachion is the duchy capital.
Thank you for everything!
You're always most welcome. Avon has been a great success. :cool:
 
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A pleasure to read as always! Thanks for the half-shout-out or was that a half-brother shout-out?
Thank you for reading and commenting. Despot Vukasin wishes to compare notes on siblings with King Þorolfr. Vukasin is the oldest of the eight 'known' children of Despot Dragos. I use 'known' because when I started playing as 25yo Dragos, he had taken the seduction focus (evil, but makes great stories) and had three paramours as well as a wife and two legal sons. The first event, that I got as Dragos, was an 'oops' bad Dragos had been fertilizing eggs in another rooster's henhouse. This rooster (another Doux) did not seem to mind Dragos' assistance as he and Dragos later became BFF's. Dragos and his wife had three sons with Dragos adding three more sons and two daughters by four sidepieces.

Four years after Vukasin, there was his (full) brother Ilija. Three years later, (half) brother Anatolios. Four years later, Anatolios' mother produced a girl, Hypatia. Four months later, Vukasin and Ilija's 45yo mother gave birth to her third son, Ljudevit. Four years later, a 46yo paramour produced her only child, a boy named @StrategyGameEnthusiast (Gerbert). Twelve years later a 37yo long-time paramour would birth son, Simeon. Fifteen years later, a young paramour would produce Dragos's final child, a girl named Antonija. So that you do not have to do the math, there is forty-three years between Vukasin and Antonija.

Vukasin had no problems with Ilija and Ljudevit. Ilija was married to the Queen of Swabia (he was stepfather of the future Kaiser @RedTemplar), and upon her death returned to his father's court becoming the Doux of Epirus (vassal of Vukasin) upon Dragos' death. Ljudevit was betrothed to a young German duchess, when he decided to join the Knights Templar. He is a baron and their steward. (The Templars have two counties in England.) After a successful Holy War against the Sultanate of Rum, Basileus @alscon made Dragos' underage sons, Lord Mayor Anatolios of Azerbaijan and Count @StrategyGameEnthusiast of Shirvan. Hypatia, Anatolios and @StrategyGameEnthusiast grew up outside of the Epirus court. Anatolios died at age 29 of pneumonia, failing to outlive his father. Hypatia married a minor official in her father's court. She acted as a companion to Dragos' wife and currently serves as an unofficial hostess for Vukasin. Is she also her brother's lover? She has acquired the epithet 'unfaithful' (when is that a vice in the Progonovic family? Dragos had as sidepieces @StrategyGameEnthusiast's mother and her sister. Also took as a sidepiece his widowed brother-law's second wife (very tumultuous relationship) and Vukasin (also seduction focus when I got him at age 45) took over for his father as her lover (her husband and Vukasin were mortal enemies, even though he never caught Vukasin with his wife). He also has had a long relationship with his daughter-law (probably fathered three of her four children)), but I did not find any evidence of a lover or a child by anyone but her husband. Simeon grew up in Epirus and served Vukasin as a Sakellarios until his young wife was murdered. He avenged his wife and left Vukasin for his grandmother's old friends, the Knights of Calatrava in southern Iberia. Antonija is a 9yo child under the tutelage of her siblings, Vukasin and Hypatia.

While Prince Magni is an irritant to King Þorolfr, Count @StrategyGameEnthusiast is considered scary and frightening by all with many finding him to be extremely dangerous. As a child, @StrategyGameEnthusiast was branded a 'child of the devil'. (I do not know if people think that Dragos was the devil or @StrategyGameEnthusiast 's mother (bastard daughter of a bastard woman) was cheating on him with the devil). @StrategyGameEnthusiast has total stats of over 100 and has all seven vices. He is a murderer and leads a coven of witches (Circe, Jezebel and Morgana). Is he a witch or a warlock? He has done no damage to Epirus.

King Þorolfr, you may have Jarl Alfr send his notes to Despot Vukasin (27 intrigue) . Or Despot Vukasin can send his son, Dmitar (18 intrigue), to consult with Jarl Alfr, while he goes handles court 'affairs' with his daughter-law, Countess Thomais.
 
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That sounds interesting!


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Does this answer your question? Dyrrachion is the duchy capital.

You're always most welcome. Avon has been a great success. :cool:
Thank you very much. Dyrrachion had the strait crossing and has been basically cut in half. It looks like Dyrrachion, Lychnidos and Strymon plua a county to the northeast formed the de jure duchy. Dyrrachion, Lychnidos and Strymon all have their own duchies (first two are in Epirus and Strymon is in Bulgaria).
 
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@Midnite Duke Me being an all-powerful, demonic 100-stat man must explain all the chaos going on in my Byzantium.
 
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Rookie numbers.

These Empires seem weak, maybe someone should conquer them.
@Midnite Duke Me being an all-powerful, demonic 100-stat man must explain all the chaos going on in my Byzantium.
Thank you for reading and commenting.

I think that the HRE's 90K is a good quantity. This is AI, no special event troops and at peace (no defensive buffs). Now, their quality may be lacking as it has been a long time since they have been tested.
The Kingdom of Bulgaria is currently fighting Byz, Iraq (Caliphate) and Raj. They are attacking the Sultanate of Anatolia in a Holy War with Iraq and Raj supporting Anatolia. (I do not know how many troops Iraq sent, but Raj is in a massive tyranny revolt with the Samrat about to be forced to abdicate.) Byz is attacking Bulgaria for Bulgaria's former capital of Tyrnovo. Basileus @Idhrendur started war within a month of his election, claiming that Tyrnovo is rightfully (de jure) part of the Empire.

Konstantinos VI would love his Shirvan (yes, it is part of the Empire) vassal. Count @StrategyGameEnthusiast will die the same way as his great, great grandfather Konstantin. They were killed while working as spymaster for the Empire. Grrr! No Punishment/Malus for the killer! I am not salty. Ok, compared to me, the Dead Sea is freshwater.

You are the first reader that I have made a member of the Progonovic family.
 
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Thank you for the invitation to compare notes, @Midnite Duke . Apologies that I am far behind in my reading due to real life issues. Interesting to see @StrategyGameEnthusiast make his Avon debut in this revised analytical version of the final chapters. No doubt it was the dark magic of his evil Basileus that got him added to these entries near the end of the AAR.

And while I am on a tangent (am I not always on a tangent?)....

I cannot speak on Lightning's health due to privacy rules (does HIPPA apply to dragons?). If a dragon's wing is like a pitcher's elbow, then surgery will probably be required. Maybe Dr. @The Kingmaker or @streaker77 as emergency contact can give us a follow-up. I am hoping and praying for the best.
I am no dragon vet but I would recommend Tommy John surgery for Lightning. But the others you mentioned are no doubt more experienced with dragons.

Thank you for reading and commenting. Despot Vukasin wishes to compare notes on siblings with King Þorolfr. Vukasin is the oldest of the eight 'known' children of Despot Dragos. I use 'known' because when I started playing as 25yo Dragos, he had taken the seduction focus (evil, but makes great stories) and had three paramours as well as a wife and two legal sons. The first event, that I got as Dragos, was an 'oops' bad Dragos had been fertilizing eggs in another rooster's henhouse. This rooster (another Doux) did not seem to mind Dragos' assistance as he and Dragos later became BFF's. Dragos and his wife had three sons with Dragos adding three more sons and two daughters by four sidepieces.
But now to business...

As you know, King Þorolfr is embarrassed by his father King Hrœrekr II and his variety of relationships. Hrœrekr had eight children by four different women: two were his wives, one was his concubine, and one was his mistress, Astrid the Law Speaker. However, Hrœrekr also had two "secret" children with Astrid, who Astrid passed off as children from her marriage (both were girls). When I took control of Hrœrekr, he had a long-standing affair with yet a different mistress but no children came from that liaison. However, when Hrœrekr's second wife discovered that affair, he broke it off. He took up with Astrid not long after though. This is what happens when characters have the lustful trait, no doubt. So overall, Hrœrekr had ten children and possibly more as there is no accounting for any "secret" children before I took control of the character. (When it comes to Hrœrekr, the word "control" is used very loosely.)
King Þorolfr, you may have Jarl Alfr send his notes to Despot Vukasin (27 intrigue) . Or Despot Vukasin can send his son, Dmitar (18 intrigue), to consult with Jarl Alfr, while he goes handles court 'affairs' with his daughter-law, Countess Thomais.
Unfortunately, I doubt if Jarl Alfr could teach Vukasin anything regarding intrigue as Alfr has a score of 16 (this is why Alfr is written as being good at espionage but not the very best and definitely fallible). The jarl would no doubt benefit from having Dmitar come and work for him to teach him some new tricks.

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Jarl Alfr thanks you for the opportunity to make an appearance in Avon.
 
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1425 top 5 leader stats
On the flight from Schwaben to Dyrrachion, Commander @RustyHunter says "Since we have met the five leaders, how about we play a game of who do you want?"
RH: If we are going out to the neighborhood pub, who do you want holding the money?
Admiral @Kazanov: Basileus @Idhrendur of the Byzantine Empire (21 stewardship, 10 over next) is the best with the purse strings.
RH: Who do you want to do the talking?
Admiral @Bullfilter: Kaiser @RedTemplar of the Holy Roman Empire (19 diplomacy, 9 over next) is the best at keeping people happy.
RH: Who do you want for a partner at trivia?
Dragon Partner @Thaiga: None would be super, but Samrat @KiratRawr of the Empire of Rajasthan (10 learning) or Kaiser @RedTemplar (9 learning) seem to be the best.
RH: Who do you want to go around learning the gossip?
Crossbowman @Wagonlitz: Can I have Despot Vukasin of Epirus (25 intrigue, Vukasin's stats are from Feb1428 while others are Jan1425)?
Professor @StrategyGameEnthusiast: If not, Samrat @KiratRawr (12 intrigue, 4 over next) probably can learn some juicy details.
RH: If we run into trouble, who do you want to plan the trip home?
Admiral @diskoerekto: Caliph @iain_a_wilson of the Sultanate of Iraq (17 martial, 4 over next) would be best at planning for a fracas.
RH: If you can only have one, who do you want to do everything?
Captain @JSB217118: Basileus @Idhrendur (54 total) or Kaiser @RedTemplar (53 total) would be at the top of the class.
Payload Specialist @randakar leans over to Despot Vukasin (68 total) and asks can I stay with you, your excellency?

Shout Outs: @Thaiga has recently resumed CK2AGOT - The Dragonkin (yet another stAARgaryen) (CK2).

@StrategyGameEnthusiast has recently started The Restoration of the Roman Empire in Just Over 50 Rulers - Modded Byzantium to Rome AAR. (CK)​
@Wagonlitz and @randakar are recent Fans of the Week. They seem to be unfamiliar with AARland so I thought that I would introduce them to Avon, though I do not know if Avon is representative of AARland.​
THANK YOU for reading, liking and commenting.
 
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Always good to see a new chapter of Avon, even as it works to a close. You definitely have some interesting new participants in this chapter.
 
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This chapter was interesting.

Who would you want to create the most interesting book?
 
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Thank you for the invitation to compare notes, @Midnite Duke . Apologies that I am far behind in my reading due to real life issues. Interesting to see @StrategyGameEnthusiast make his Avon debut in this revised analytical version of the final chapters. No doubt it was the dark magic of his evil Basileus that got him added to these entries near the end of the AAR.

And while I am on a tangent (am I not always on a tangent?)....


I am no dragon vet but I would recommend Tommy John surgery for Lightning. But the others you mentioned are no doubt more experienced with dragons.


But now to business...

As you know, King Þorolfr is embarrassed by his father King Hrœrekr II and his variety of relationships. Hrœrekr had eight children by four different women: two were his wives, one was his concubine, and one was his mistress, Astrid the Law Speaker. However, Hrœrekr also had two "secret" children with Astrid, who Astrid passed off as children from her marriage (both were girls). When I took control of Hrœrekr, he had a long-standing affair with yet a different mistress but no children came from that liaison. However, when Hrœrekr's second wife discovered that affair, he broke it off. He took up with Astrid not long after though. This is what happens when characters have the lustful trait, no doubt. So overall, Hrœrekr had ten children and possibly more as there is no accounting for any "secret" children before I took control of the character. (When it comes to Hrœrekr, the word "control" is used very loosely.)

Unfortunately, I doubt if Jarl Alfr could teach Vukasin anything regarding intrigue as Alfr has a score of 16 (this is why Alfr is written as being good at espionage but not the very best and definitely fallible). The jarl would no doubt benefit from having Dmitar come and work for him to teach him some new tricks.

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Always good to see a new chapter of Avon, even as it works to a close. You definitely have some interesting new participants in this chapter.
Thank you for reading. On @StrategyGameEnthusiast, he replied to Avon while I was writing my reply to you so I changed Gerbert's name to SGE. I checked with @Thaiga and he thinks that the shoulder would have more stress than the elbow for a dragon. No TJ but maybe shoulder (Beowulf) surgery. Why is King Þorolfr embarrassed by his father's conquests? Are there rumblings about the King's manhood for being childless at his age (near 30?)? Both Dragos and Vukasin are probably over ten when the unknowns are counted. (I had a great-grandfather who went double digits with first wife and second wife pushed total into teens. While I have never seen stat breakdown, I think that above fifteen would place one in the top ten percent and Dragos/Vukasin's being above twenty-five would be the top one percent. The Progonovics believe in the power of knowledge whether acquired in a classroom, a bedroom or a back alley.

Count Progon Tough Soldier 3 of 5 children with at least level three schooling
Count/Doux Gjin Elusive Shadow 5 of 5
Doux Alek Elusive Shadow 1 of 3
Doux Konstantin Elusive Shadow 2 of 2
Duchess Milka Mastermind Theologian 1 of 1
Duchess Jelena Fortune Builder 3 of 3
Doux/Despot Dragos Elusive Shadow 8 of 8
Despot/Basileus Vukasin Elusive Shadow 2 of 2 with 1TBD
King Dmitar Elusive Shadow 2 of 4 with 1TBD
 
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Thanks for the explanations, @Midnite Duke . Apologies for the slow response.

Thank you for reading. On @StrategyGameEnthusiast, he replied to Avon while I was writing my reply to you so I changed Gerbert's name to SGE. I checked with @Thaiga and he thinks that the shoulder would have more stress than the elbow for a dragon. No TJ but maybe shoulder (Beowulf) surgery. Why is King Þorolfr embarrassed by his father's conquests?
This is my take on the character. There is nothing apparent in the game to reflect this. However, his lack of (ahem) production seems to point in this direction. I believe children are sometimes, if not often, embarrassed by the personality defining characteristics of their parents and it helps shape and define them. King Þorolfr's father was definitely lustful and the king is not. King Þorolfr sees a lot of the problems of his court as carry-overs from his father's lustful decisions and carousing. There's a case to be made there really.
Are there rumblings about the King's manhood for being childless at his age (near 30?)?
When we get to King Þorolfr in Chapter IV, he is in his late 20s. But he is now in his early to mid-30s (thus the aged-up avatar as you suggested). The issue you lay out here will start to drive the AAR in the near future. Rumblings rarely have good outcomes.
Both Dragos and Vukasin are probably over ten when the unknowns are counted. (I had a great-grandfather who went double digits with first wife and second wife pushed total into teens. While I have never seen stat breakdown, I think that above fifteen would place one in the top ten percent and Dragos/Vukasin's being above twenty-five would be the top one percent. The Progonovics believe in the power of knowledge whether acquired in a classroom, a bedroom or a back alley.
It appears the Progonovics have quite the back alley & bedroom education! Congrats to them.
 
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Some good stats in there. Vukasin is formidable!

AARLand has a wide constituency and Avon is a proud representative of a special part of it. :)
Thank you for all your support. This may be the best group of leaders that we have met. I think that we had groups without anyone over forty and the best intrigue has often been below ten. Vukasin is in a class of his own, even if brother Count @StrategyGameEnthusiast (Gerbert) scares him. The unsung part of stats is the base value, which often is the most important. Education tops out at net twelve for level four. A double-digit base is extremely rare and Vukasin had a twelve intrigue base and his son Dmitar had an eleven intrigue base. Dragos used his bedroom abilities to generate a score one over Vukasin, even though he had only a nine intrigue base. While Dmitar was a natural spy (9education, 11base), he found no joy in the work as his traits reduced his score by one.
 
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This chapter was interesting.

Who would you want to create the most interesting book?
Thank you for reading and commenting. This is one of my favorite questions. I am going to go from least to most favorite that I would want to read/write about.

5) Kaiser @RedTemplar and the Holy Roman Empire have been boring.

4) Basileus @Idhrendur's rule was short and incomplete. His predecessor, Basileus @alscon, would make a fascinating subject with his claiming of the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the holy wars that carried the Byzantine Empire east to the Caspian Sea. Also, the speculation about the death of his predecessor at age forty-two to stress after nine months in office. (Dragos and Vukasin (@alscon's first cousin) were not involved ;).) @Idhrendur started a war with Bulgaria and @alscon's brother revolted to claim the throne. Both wars were ongoing at @Idhrendur's death and left to Basileus Vukasin to finish.

3) Leader @Eludio is only eight years old but has inherited a revolt that will overthrow Samrat @KiratRawr of the mighty Empire of Rajasthan. I am hoping that Chief @filcat's notes about the forming of the coalition can be found where a one county chiefdom could defeat a mighty Empire.

2) Caliph @iain_a_wilson took office in 1384 after the death of his thirty-two-year-old father. He has ruled longer than the other four combined but is still the second youngest (to @Eludio). He led the first successful Jihad in almost two centuries against the Kingdom of Syria for the Sultanate of Al-Jazira (not his fault that the minion did not hold it). His growth from an average 39 at age 19 to a very good 48 at age 44 with the biggest growth in diplomacy and martial.

1) 1414, Samrat @KiratRawr was placed in office by a faction after his late uncle and cousin had adopted Christian (Orthodox) teachings. Four years later, the revolt that would eventually force him to abdicate begun. I am curious about the decision of the Empire to switch from Persian being the language of the court to Hindustani and instead of focusing on Indian expansion, expands west into Persia and north into central Asia.
 
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Thanks for the explanations, @Midnite Duke . Apologies for the slow response.


This is my take on the character. There is nothing apparent in the game to reflect this. However, his lack of (ahem) production seems to point in this direction. I believe children are sometimes, if not often, embarrassed by the personality defining characteristics of their parents and it helps shape and define them. King Þorolfr's father was definitely lustful and the king is not. King Þorolfr sees a lot of the problems of his court as carry-overs from his father's lustful decisions and carousing. There's a case to be made there really.

When we get to King Þorolfr in Chapter IV, he is in his late 20s. But he is now in his early to mid-30s (thus the aged-up avatar as you suggested). The issue you lay out here will start to drive the AAR in the near future. Rumblings rarely have good outcomes.

It appears the Progonovics have quite the back alley & bedroom education! Congrats to them.
King Þorolfr, Make Babies! While I am no expert on Viking ways, I think that the two most important attributes are martial prowess and fathering progeny especially boys as girls/women can be captured while raiding. My only slow character was Doux Alek who did not marry until twenty-seven and did not produce a child until almost forty. His wife (Princess Georgia) did give the Progonovic family an entrance into the Byzantine power structure as he would serve as both Magistros and Mystikos for various Basileuses. He even took a mistress that was even younger than his wife in search of the elusive baby, but Georgia took the woman's husband (who was even older than Alek) as a lover. Alek and Georgia eventually produced a boy and two girls. But with late start and early death (late forties), Alek did not see his children grow up with son, Konstantin, only being four at father's death.

Þorolfr, you have a wife, a lovely consort, take more concubines and loves if the wife and the consort prove barren. But make babies, before your brothers, especially Magni do.
 
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King Þorolfr, Make Babies! While I am no expert on Viking ways, I think that the two most important attributes are martial prowess and fathering progeny especially boys as girls/women can be captured while raiding.

Þorolfr, you have a wife, a lovely consort, take more concubines and loves if the wife and the consort prove barren. But make babies, before your brothers, especially Magni do.
Maybe he wants to avoid any succession conflicts such as the whole having to reconquer Norway situation.
 
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