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As an update, evidently only Erzurum and Tercan, not Bayburt. It's also more convoluted in the transfer of ownership (the breakaway governor of Erzincan gains control of the region, then the whole area is given to the Aq Qoyunlu by the diminished governor of Eretna after booting the governor out) so... yeah it's all rather a bit of a mess.
Just make it look good, is all I can really ask. Probably just give Tercan to Eretna rather than the Aq Qoyunlu.
Just make it look good, is all I can really ask. Probably just give Tercan to Eretna rather than the Aq Qoyunlu.
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There's this quote from p292 "The Mongol World" - Timothy May. For context 1-2 decades from the start date in the Ilkhanate. Many of Mongolian noble houses or Noyad were traditionalists who expected to be able to rule autonomous fiefdoms under their Chinggisids and Ghazan had relied on Muslim bureacrats and officials to try and curb their power and centralize. Though noyad were also muslim converts such as Choban. However by endorsing islam Ghazan had failed to realize and deal with the sectarian differences between muslim sects which became a serious headache.
Yeah Turkish pops in Izmit even tho it was conquered by the Turks month prior to the start of the game 
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Also how did Turks made it into Philopolis (or smt like that I mean that Byzantine bastion in the middle of Western Anatolia) if it's still Byzantine and Turks havent conquered it yet???
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The sultanate of rum did. Also migration. Afaik there were turks in Constantinople as well, but to a very small part. At the very least muslims were. Roman-turkish relations were also not only hostile. At times cooperation was completly normal. The Roman navy even helped the Ottomans to arrive in Europe to fight off the Bulgarians. So trade, coexistence and cooperation is as much part of Roman-Turkish history as Roman-Turkish wars.
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We were annoying squatters in rural areas. Vryonis and Cahen talk about this
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I don't know if there is a way to find landless Army-Based-Countries on the map, but Anatolia had some of them, especially from the Mongols, with enough power to be independent, or act in a very independent manner, often switching sides and acting as kingmakers for their own gain, such as:
- Hasan Kucek of the Chobanids is supposedly residing in Karahisar, prior to his rebellion and intervention in the Ilkhanate succession wars in 1338, after which he marched through the hostile Eretnids to Alataq near Van, where he defeated the Jalayirids in July 1338 and captured the imperial heartland of the Ilkhanate; Azerbaijan and Tabriz
- The only Karahisar I know is in Western Anatolia, which is usually not considered that deep in the Mongol sphere at this time. But apparently there were quite a few places called "Karahisar" in Anatolia
- The only Karahisar I know is in Western Anatolia, which is usually not considered that deep in the Mongol sphere at this time. But apparently there were quite a few places called "Karahisar" in Anatolia
- Makeshift Mongol "tribes" similiar to the Jauni Kurban (Ja'uni Qurban) in Khorasan. They were formed out of various unrelated Mongol military detachments. Some of the named ones are:
- The Samagar, named after Samagar noyan. They are said to have been very powerful, with great effect on the later Eretnid power struggles
- The Jaygazan
- The Jawunqar
- There are also mentions of the Babuq clan ruling over Nigde, who took part in the power struggles between the Karamanids and Eretnids
- Another area mentioned to have been ruled by a Mongol emir is of Beysehir and Ilgin
NOTE: Only the Babuq clan at Nigde, and the unnamed Mongol Emir at Beysehir and Ilgin were "settled". The Samagar, Jaygazan and Jawunqar were very much roaming nomads
Interestingly, Timur displaced this group of Mongols, just like he did for the Jauni Kurban in Khorasan
Sources used:
- "Mongol Aristocrats and Beyliks in Anatolia. A study of Astarabadi's Bazm va Razm" (2011)
- "Hülâgû Han’dan Emîr Timur’a Anadolu Tatarları" (2022)
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Good job. I think the layer on first photo has shifted up a little bit but its okay. I also really would like to see Aqkoyunlu and Karakoyunlu tribes spread too
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I don't know if there is a way to find landless Army-Based-Countries on the map, but Anatolia had some of them, especially from the Mongols, with enough power to be independent, or act in a very independent manner, often switching sides and acting as kingmakers for their own gain, such as:
Below is a map of the areas they are said to have roamed/inhabited:
- Hasan Kucek of the Chobanids is supposedly residing in Karahisar, prior to his rebellion and intervention in the Ilkhanate succession wars in 1338, after which he marched through the hostile Eretnids to Alataq near Van, where he defeated the Jalayirids in July 1338 and captured the imperial heartland of the Ilkhanate; Azerbaijan and Tabriz
- The only Karahisar I know is in Western Anatolia, which is usually not considered that deep in the Mongol sphere at this time. But apparently there were quite a few places called "Karahisar" in Anatolia
- Makeshift Mongol "tribes" similiar to the Jauni Kurban (Ja'uni Qurban) in Khorasan. They were formed out of various unrelated Mongol military detachments. Some of the named ones are:
- The Samagar, named after Samagar noyan. They are said to have been very powerful, with great effect on the later Eretnid power struggles
- The Jaygazan
- The Jawunqar
- There are also mentions of the Babuq clan ruling over Nigde, who took part in the power struggles between the Karamanids and Eretnids
- Another area mentioned to have been ruled by a Mongol emir is of Beysehir and Ilgin
NOTE: Only the Babuq clan at Nigde, and the unnamed Mongol Emir at Beysehir and Ilgin were "settled". The Samagar, Jaygazan and Jawunqar were very much roaming nomads
Interestingly, Timur displaced this group of Mongols, just like he did for the Jauni Kurban in Khorasan
Sources used:
- "Mongol Aristocrats and Beyliks in Anatolia. A study of Astarabadi's Bazm va Razm" (2011)
- "Hülâgû Han’dan Emîr Timur’a Anadolu Tatarları" (2022)
If the Cappadocian and Pontic Greeks have separate cultures from those around the Aegean, the same should certainly be true for the southern Italian Greeks, who were even more separate from Constantinople spiritually and politically.
Lésbos (the location making up half the island) should be renamed to something more appropriate, like Kalloni.
The province of Chios is rather small, and should perhaps be split between Rhodes (renamed Rhodes & Samos) and Lemnos (renamed the North Aegean Islands).
Lésbos (the location making up half the island) should be renamed to something more appropriate, like Kalloni.
The province of Chios is rather small, and should perhaps be split between Rhodes (renamed Rhodes & Samos) and Lemnos (renamed the North Aegean Islands).
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A bit late but I hope you can still make some changes to Anatolia they aren't that many that need it...
-The Marmara Islands (at the time called Prokonisos from the Greek word proika meaning wealth and nisos meaning island, since many of the royal family had mansions in the Islands and would spend a lot of time there) shown to be part of the location of Bandirma and subsequently the Karasid Beylik. However the Islands would remain a Roman possession until the middle of the 15th century (they were probably conquered along with Constantinople).
Thus I suggest to make them a separate location in order for them to be a part of Byzantium without the rest of the Bamdirma location which wasn't and shouldn't be depicted as such (or if the islands are very small to become its own location you can give those islands to the Biga or Rhaedestus location as they were part of Byzantium at the time).
-And finally Biga (or Pegai in Greek). Interestingly Biga would fall (1364) to the Ottoman's much later than the rest of the Byzantine holdings in the Marmara sea. Biga itself was a small outmost rather than a town at the time and it was probably for that reason that the Ottoman's didn't conquer it sooner, seeing it as insignificant.
Now Biga as a location is extremely big and it reaches a lot further south and west than it should, the Romans had a very tenuous hold of biga itself (let alone so much of it's surroundings) so the location itself should be as small as possible to depict that. So below I have drawn with red the area that should be taken off of biga and given to the two bordering locations of Can and Lapsecki for a more accurate border between the Karasids (and later Ottoman's) and the Byzantines.
Above is the location of the town (notice how the town doesn't reach that much southwest as the location would suggest).
There is also this weird salient that makes the border between the Ottomans and Germyanids look really off, that makes the Eskisehir location to be almost surrounded by the Germyanids.
I think a more curved border would look better, taking that red painted area and giving it to the Ottoman's, something like this perhaps?
-The Marmara Islands (at the time called Prokonisos from the Greek word proika meaning wealth and nisos meaning island, since many of the royal family had mansions in the Islands and would spend a lot of time there) shown to be part of the location of Bandirma and subsequently the Karasid Beylik. However the Islands would remain a Roman possession until the middle of the 15th century (they were probably conquered along with Constantinople).
Thus I suggest to make them a separate location in order for them to be a part of Byzantium without the rest of the Bamdirma location which wasn't and shouldn't be depicted as such (or if the islands are very small to become its own location you can give those islands to the Biga or Rhaedestus location as they were part of Byzantium at the time).
-And finally Biga (or Pegai in Greek). Interestingly Biga would fall (1364) to the Ottoman's much later than the rest of the Byzantine holdings in the Marmara sea. Biga itself was a small outmost rather than a town at the time and it was probably for that reason that the Ottoman's didn't conquer it sooner, seeing it as insignificant.
Now Biga as a location is extremely big and it reaches a lot further south and west than it should, the Romans had a very tenuous hold of biga itself (let alone so much of it's surroundings) so the location itself should be as small as possible to depict that. So below I have drawn with red the area that should be taken off of biga and given to the two bordering locations of Can and Lapsecki for a more accurate border between the Karasids (and later Ottoman's) and the Byzantines.
Above is the location of the town (notice how the town doesn't reach that much southwest as the location would suggest).
There is also this weird salient that makes the border between the Ottomans and Germyanids look really off, that makes the Eskisehir location to be almost surrounded by the Germyanids.
I think a more curved border would look better, taking that red painted area and giving it to the Ottoman's, something like this perhaps?
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Hey, I'd just want to ask you to reconsider once again the climate in the pontic eastern black sea region. It can be described as a temperate rainforest, and I would not group it together with France and the Benelux. Maybe make more of the coast something like sub-tropical? It is very humid with tons of rain and fog.
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A bit late but I hope you can still make some changes to Anatolia they aren't that many that need it...
-The Marmara Islands (at the time called Prokonisos from the Greek word proika meaning wealth and nisos meaning island, since many of the royal family had mansions in the Islands and would spend a lot of time there) shown to be part of the location of Bandirma and subsequently the Karasid Beylik. However the Islands would remain a Roman possession until the middle of the 15th century (they were probably conquered along with Constantinople).
Thus I suggest to make them a separate location in order for them to be a part of Byzantium without the rest of the Bamdirma location which wasn't and shouldn't be depicted as such (or if the islands are very small to become its own location you can give those islands to the Biga or Rhaedestus location as they were part of Byzantium at the time).
-And finally Biga (or Pegai in Greek). Interestingly Biga would fall (1364) to the Ottoman's much later than the rest of the Byzantine holdings in the Marmara sea. Biga itself was a small outmost rather than a town at the time and it was probably for that reason that the Ottoman's didn't conquer it sooner, seeing it as insignificant.
Now Biga as a location is extremely big and it reaches a lot further south and west than it should, the Romans had a very tenuous hold of biga itself (let alone so much of it's surroundings) so the location itself should be as small as possible to depict that. So below I have drawn with red the area that should be taken off of biga and given to the two bordering locations of Can and Lapsecki for a more accurate border between the Karasids (and later Ottoman's) and the Byzantines.
Above is the location of the town (notice how the town doesn't reach that much southwest as the location would suggest).
There is also this weird salient that makes the border between the Ottomans and Germyanids look really off, that makes the Eskisehir location to be almost surrounded by the Germyanids.
I think a more curved border would look better, taking that red painted area and giving it to the Ottoman's, something like this perhaps?
Basically this!
I still think Kastellorizo should be region in game at Mediterranean sea btw. That location is tiny but strategically important, controlled by Knights
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Please fix ugly Sahibids name. It should be Sahibata or Sahibataids. Sahib is like nickname similar to Sultan or Hünkar. That's my only issue here now as you guys did great job!
Thanks for all fixes you applied. Ahi republic will be interesting.
Thanks for all fixes you applied. Ahi republic will be interesting.
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They're there on the map. Look closely. The coastal areas were just under control of Trebizond, still.
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@Kaspar Osraige i am not an expert on turkish or kurdish history so correct me if im wrong but there is supposed to be an Emirate of Egil right? Which i see but its called something different but the dynasty is Egil? Is that correct? or am i just dumb
Bulduqani is the name of the dynasty that ruled Egil. Currently Egil is the dynasty of Bulduqani
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Hey @Roger Corominas I was thinking wouldn't it make more sense for the city of Philadelfia to be it's own tag vassal to the Byzantines? They are completely separated from the mainland with no connection and we know that historically they pretty much governed themsleves and the only reason why they surrendered was because the Ottomans forced the two Roman co-emperors to face them and tell them so.
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As Kaspar already mentioned before,
Why is Bergama still shown as Saruhanid land?
It is even written in Bergama municipality page that Bergama was owned by Karasids
bergama.bel.tr
Why is Bergama still shown as Saruhanid land?
It is even written in Bergama municipality page that Bergama was owned by Karasids
Bergama Belediyesi | Tarihçe
bergama.bel.tr
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Not every exclave needs to be a vassal. It's fine as is.
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