The romans didn't distinguish between the two, why would you?
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Are those the places where the roman empire started or are those places named after the place where the roman empire started? I would guess the second.
And they're called "Rome", not Roma. So they're not even homonym
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I, as a random citizen of the European Union, by the virtue of the right of free movement of persons am free to move to the city any time. Furthermore, once I have established residence there I have the right to take part in the municipal elections, to vote or be voted for. That's pretty much what citizenship entails. I have no Italian ancestry whatsoever, so how please explain to me, how does moving to another city change my ethnic background?
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Indeed, places that call themselves rome to ride along the "prestige" of "being rome" arent rome, just like the Byzantine Empire
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It doesn't, that's the same reason why a greek born in Athens can't be a roman. I think you all are just trolling at this point, I'm having fun with your fallacyes but I have to go now, maybe I'll get back here tomorrow. Have fun!
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There's even a village in Poland called "Rzym" (Polish name for "Rome") and yeah - from linguistic point of view people who live there are called "Rzymianie" which is the same word as used to call "Romans".
Obviously it doesn't automatically make them "ancient Roman citizens" and it is a bit less grand than the Eternal City, but even Rome wasn't built in a day.
Not only. It happened so many generations ago that almost all people in Europe should be able to trace at least part of their ancestry to Roman Empire.
Roman citizenship of those "Greeks" was granted by the emperor Caracalla, at the (almost) height of the Roman Empire. Who are you to deny priviledges literally given by a Roman emperor?
What about people of Anzio? Are they still Roman as well?
By the way - if you're Italian then you've probably heard about a guy called Mario Balotelli. Is he Italian, or not?
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Does that matter? The criteria, in your words is this:
Are you denying those places don't exist or that they aren't from Rome, just like you are?
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Nope, I'm just trying to point out to you that ethnicity and citizenship are not the same thing. I can become just as much a citizen of Rome as you are without having the previous links to the place you have, genetic or otherwise. It doesn't matter whether the name refers to a city or a whole empire, the concept is the same.
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True. After the Roman Empire was conquered by the Ottomans in 1453 the Roman people weren't all genocided.
I recall a story about an island in the Aegean that was quite isolated that ended up occupied during WW1 or 2 (icr the exact story, my bad) where the citizens still considered themselves Roman.
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Almost, but not quite that simple. One can go and stay for 3 months, after that there's a need to register and provide proof of employment or other means of supporting oneself. So, it's not that anyone can get a municipal citizenship just by moving in.
"Charanis is known for his anecdotal narrations about Greek Orthodox populations, particularly those outside the newly independent modern Greek state, who continued to refer to themselves as Romioi (i.e. Romans, Byzantines) well into the 20th century. Since Charanis was born on the island of Lemnos, he recounts that when the island was taken from the Ottomans by Greece in 1912, Greek soldiers were sent to each village and stationed themselves in the public squares. Some of the island children ran to see what Greek soldiers looked like. "What are you looking at?" one of the soldiers asked. "At Hellenes," the children replied. "Are you not Hellenes yourselves?" the soldier retorted. "No, we are Romans," the children replied."
Peter Charanis - Wikipedia
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That is precisely the one"Charanis is known for his anecdotal narrations about Greek Orthodox populations, particularly those outside the newly independent modern Greek state, who continued to refer to themselves as Romioi (i.e. Romans, Byzantines) well into the 20th century. Since Charanis was born on the island of Lemnos, he recounts that when the island was taken from the Ottomans by Greece in 1912, Greek soldiers were sent to each village and stationed themselves in the public squares. Some of the island children ran to see what Greek soldiers looked like. "What are you looking at?" one of the soldiers asked. "At Hellenes," the children replied. "Are you not Hellenes yourselves?" the soldier retorted. "No, we are Romans," the children replied."
Peter Charanis - Wikipedia
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thanks
76 pages.... wow.... (unrealted to lord zeeland of wowington)
just wow.. a real wow.. no need for a ban wow...
only thing i am missing is that lele talks about going to the gym!
just wow.. a real wow.. no need for a ban wow...
only thing i am missing is that lele talks about going to the gym!
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This reminds me of those Hellenic pagans who continued to practice in the Mani Peninsula until the 9th century or so. I'm pretty sure Paradox even used them as the basis for a Hellenic county in CK2's 769 start date.
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Pagan Rome truly was the best Rome. Really went downhill from there.
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As an American, it is fascinating to see millenia old arguments continue on the Internet, it's like the first time I found a post by an Albanian nationalist.
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When Theodosius closed the temple of Vesta and banned its cult the eternal fire which was protecting the city was extinguished. Merely few years later Rome was sacked by Visigoths, for the first time in about 800 years.
Old gods gave them a hint, but stupid fanatics were too blind to see it.
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