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Random Sinkiang/Communist China fact, after over-purging during the revolt of 1937 Sinkiang ran out of senior people to run the country, so Mao sent over a few cadres including his brother who ended up running the economy (being the puppet while the Soviets ran the economy technically). Entirely appropriately he ended up being purged by Sinkiang few years later. Mao, as one would expect from a man of his character, didn't seem to care.

Anyway, good to see the madness spreading out across the globe. Peru did declare war on Ecuador, but it was in 1941 and the 'war' lasted a couple of weeks, so of course HOI4 has it be a full blown war in 1937, it would hardly be historical otherwise! ;)

I do also like the Communist Chinese being the ones unable to defeat a small faction hiding in the mountains. I am hoping Shanxi break out and end up the eventual winners and I don't think it's impossible, far stranger things have happened already in this AAR.
 
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Random Sinkiang/Communist China fact, after over-purging during the revolt of 1937 Sinkiang ran out of senior people to run the country, so Mao sent over a few cadres including his brother who ended up running the economy (being the puppet while the Soviets ran the economy technically). Entirely appropriately he ended up being purged by Sinkiang few years later. Mao, as one would expect from a man of his character, didn't seem to care.

Sinkiang got a really rough deal in this AAR.

Anyway, good to see the madness spreading out across the globe. Peru did declare war on Ecuador, but it was in 1941 and the 'war' lasted a couple of weeks, so of course HOI4 has it be a full blown war in 1937, it would hardly be historical otherwise! ;)

HOI4's biggest weakness, in terms of a game, I feel, is that there is no such thing as a limited or 'normal' war. It's total war on all sides for the entire country, 99% of the time.

So this border conflict OTL is now a life or death struggle, the winner of which probably getting to dominate the western half of south America (especially if they have more claims, which I think Peru does).

Still unlikely, but we might actually see South America becoming relevant in the world, for this run.

I do also like the Communist Chinese being the ones unable to defeat a small faction hiding in the mountains. I am hoping Shanxi break out and end up the eventual winners and I don't think it's impossible, far stranger things have happened already in this AAR.

There's irony here. The communists emerge from the mountains with Shanxi, become a large Chinese power, and instead of fighting other large powers, joins with them in trying to route out a minot faction in the very mountains they just left.

I doubt Shanxi will break out unless both PRC and China are distracted by a large war against each other or russia or something, but they have so far (a few game months later than this chapter) held out very well. Certainly a lot more enemies are dying than Shanxi.

The strangest thing about this game is not how violent and unstable it is but how the two main players of violence and instability - germany and Japan - were taken out so early that they are uninvolved and irrelevant to all the chaos around them.

Ironically, this is therefore a pretty good timeline for both as major powers surrounded by madmen and ashes.
 
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there is no such thing as a limited or 'normal' war. It's total war on all sides for the entire country, 99% of the time.
Well, the only wars of the period that weren't total wars was that mentioned Ecuadorian-Peruvian war and the Winter War (and possibly the Lapland war - and there's what's missing more in my mind - the ability to turncoat countries faster while their side is being crushed, Finland, Romania etc.- but I guess that's supposed to be handled through collaboration governments)
 
Well, the only wars of the period that weren't total wars was that mentioned Ecuadorian-Peruvian war and the Winter War (and possibly the Lapland war - and there's what's missing more in my mind - the ability to turncoat countries faster while their side is being crushed, Finland, Romania etc.- but I guess that's supposed to be handled through collaboration governments)

I suppose, but it limits the gameplay and roleplays options. Colonial conflicts, border wars and region grabbing without full proper wars were common enough even in the 30s and 40s.
 
I suppose, but it limits the gameplay and roleplays options. Colonial conflicts, border wars and region grabbing without full proper wars were common enough even in the 30s and 40s.
I reckon modders would luurve a proper limited war engine.
 
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I reckon modders would luurve a proper limited war engine.

It would mean you could keep 19th century style colonial adventures going in the 20th. It also means that if you do go alt-history in your run, you aren't going to end up in a massive civil war just because your super isolationist but very strong UK wants to shift some borders and puppets in the Middle East whilst the Europeans are fighting between themselves.
 
HOI4's biggest weakness, in terms of a game, I feel, is that there is no such thing as a limited or 'normal' war. It's total war on all sides for the entire country, 99% of the time.
Question for the older players here: did HOI1-3 have mechanics for limited wars? HOI4 (especially with mods) just handles them through events to enforce peace.
 
In other news, I've figured out the in universe explanation for all the chaos and the final showdown.

Now I'm just waiting to see what form it takes. We are after all, still only a year in...
 
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Chapter 19: Peru does something!
Chapter 19: Peru does something!

5th October 1937

In the great city of Lima, Señor Cheezo surveyed his kingdom. President-dictator Oscar Benavides may sit on the throne downstairs, but he was the power behind it, and now, with his take-over of the inner court complete, Peru was set to expand and reach its potential.

“Mega Cheezo! Mega Cheezo!”

“What is it, Huan?” Cheezo said, wisely.

“Ecuador has been taken completely by surprise by our out-of-the-blue invasion. Despite heavily outnumbering us, we have the advantage!”

“Excellent. What have you heard from Major Calamity?”

“Only good things, Mega Cheezo. Things like ‘I guess their army is on the Columbian border’ and ‘I’ve forgotten my sunglasses’.”

“How is losing one’s sunglasses a good thing?”

“They make him look fat.”

“You are judgemental, Huan. Judgemental and stupid.”

“Yes, Mega Cheezo.”

The leader of the civil service, Cocoawriter, sidled up to the arguing pair. “Mega Cheezo,” he bowed.

“Cocoawriter,” Cheezo nodded back. “Any sign that the Americans are going to intervene and defend Ecuador’s sovereignty?”

“None, Mega Cheezo. It appears President Alf has taken the Monroe Doctrinal view that they only need to intervene if non-American…that is, non-Americas nations are intervening in the Americas.”

“Hmm,” the Grand Commander pondered mightily. “Good. Let me know if they come to their senses anytime soon, alright?”

He went back to staring across the cityscape. “Today is a good day, Huan. Peru has taken her first steps to continental domination.”



Meanwhile, in Italy


“No, seriously. Who the hell is Gordan Janev?”

The Mighty Black Cock rolled his mighty black eyes and clucked.

“Typewriter, Alan,” Cheesolini said absently, trying to read ‘Mental Breakdowns, and how to avoid them’.

“Oh yes,” Alan said sheepishly, pulling out the device and, in lieu of verbal apology, a dishful of corn.

The Mighty Black Cock strutted to the machine and pecked at the keys and the corn till both were finished.

“Apparently he’s a random man Beancounter picked up off the street,” Alan read from the transcript. “I knew it! Beancounter, you turd!”

“Boys, behave,” Cheesolini said, turning over the page and wondering if he might try giving cheese mongering another go. It would surely be less stressful than this, even if the shop did explode again.

The Mighty Black Cock clucked sharply at them all, reminding them that they had initially gotten him to ask how Peru had done a thing.

“Right, first things first,” Cheesolini sighed, putting down the self-help book and standing up. “Alan, what’s Peru’s deal?”

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“A strange combination of assembly, political violence, instability, military overreach, dictatorship, fascism, socialism and democracy. In short, a somewhat typical South American country. Currently led by president-dictator Oscar Benavides. Field marshal, politician, and pretty decent diplomat to Europe. Started his term by ending a pointless war with Columbia, and has now started one with Ecuador.”

“Hmm. Right. And now what they are up to, Mighty Black Cock?”

The Mighty Black Cock clucked and finished their missive.

“Alan?”

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“He says that Peru is trying to flex its muscles whilst the United States is isolationist and boring, the rest of the world is on fire, and because it is surrounded by weaker states it has dubious claims on.”

Cheesolini thought for a moment, then nodded. “Yeah, fair enough. Chances of their success?”

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“Ecuador is, comparatively speaking, democratic, stable and successful. They’ve previously spent decades trying to get border disputes resolved with negotiations rather than fights but have the teeth to defend themselves if needs be. We are fairly certain they outnumber Peru by some margin in terms of soldiers. They are also guaranteed by the United States…although for whatever reason, the US does not appear to have noticed what’s going on.”
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“Funny…I wonder why?”


Meanwhile, in the White House


Alf Landon was at his desk in the oval office, probably thinking about oil or something.

“Mr President?”

“Ah Herpes, glad to see you. Where did you go dashing off to all of a sudden?”

“I do apologise sir, but it appears Peru have declared war on Ecuador.”

“I see,” President Landon said seriously. “And where is that?”

“South America, sir.”

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“Hmm. They don’t tend to do much down there, do they?”

“No sir.”

“Well…good for them, giving action a shot.”

“Mr President? I’m afraid we’ve guaranteed the independence of both countries and vowed to defend their sovereignty.”

“Yeah, against European colonialism, Herpes. Good lord, if we went down there every time one of them had a revolution or a border dispute or a falling out…well…too much work, you understand. Especially as we are isolationists.”

“You are not, sir.”

“I’m not?” Landon checked his notes. “Oh yeah…no I’m not. Funny how they put me down as one.”

“I suppose you are, compared to Roosevelt.”

“Which one?”

“…either, I suppose.”

“Hmm. Well, keep me informed, but I doubt the American people or Congress for that matter will be all that enthused for action or intervention. We don’t do that sort of thing here, you see.”

“I see,” Herpes nodded. “I suppose that’s why the rest of the world rarely hears from us.”

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“And they aren’t likely to hear from us again for some time,” the President nodded definitively.”
20th October 1937

It was Jam Night at the Arcadian once again, and Cheesolini was delightfully sticky.

Alan was busting a move with the flunky monkeys.

The band was on fire, but that was being put out now.

And Beancounter was in the corner, typing away on a portable desk.

“I’d say you need to get out more, but…well…” General Catastrophe looked around the room. “Anything interesting?”

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“Many things. SIM estimate that the two sides of the French civil war are very even in terms of soldiers and manpower overall.”

“Which means our theory about the Commune having the initial advantage was correct, given the Nation side has their troops spread all over the colonial empire too,” Catastrophe nodded.

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“Indeed. Yemen have also once again broken out of the Arab assault and this time really are going all out in a last ditch attempt to end the war on their terms.”
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“How on earth does this keep happening?”
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“I’m not sure for the other times, but this one is probably due to the Persians smashing through Iraqi lines and sharing a border with the Saudis. At least for a while.”

“Ah, so they massively overcompensated in panic. Makes sense.”

“Indeed. Baghdad has fallen to the Persians, though the Iraqi army appears to still be around, given the casualty reports.”

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“Last I heard, Yemen was on the way to the Saudi capital. If they take it, they win. If the Arabs stop them, Yemen are too overextended to defend anymore.”

“Game over either way.”

“Just so.”

“And France?”

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“Corsica has fallen to Commune forces. They’ve also enveloped a Nation French army in between Lyon and Dijon.”

“Convenient how all our French claims are now held by communists…”

“Rather.”

The pair watched Cheesolini let off some steam with another jam sandwich, and the band started playing again, this time with fewer matches.

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“The Estonian Civil war ended this afternoon as well,” Catastrophe said after a while. The fascists never really stood a chance.”
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“It’s hard to feel sorry for idiots like that. I’ve got Berretta to start forging advanced barrels now, which could be interesting.”

Further discussion was interrupted by a flunky monkey bursting into the room, cutting off the music and dancing.

“Oslo has fallen! The Communists are on the run!”

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“Hooray!” roared the room, and the party went back to full swing.

2nd November 1937

Still groaning under a jam hangover, Cheesolini sat face down at his desk, occasionally mumbling things that could be construed as agreement and orders.
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“Well, that looks conclusive for Norway,” Alan mused, perched on the desk and reading through the SIM report. “Finland did Denmark a solid. Will they be maintaining their alliance after the war?”

“I think so…though the Finns may have to resolve the fascism thing first,” Beancounter replied. “Provided the resultant election or civil war goes in the far-right direction, that alliance seems solid enough.”

“Any hint as to what the Danes are going to do with Norway?”

“Not sure. The Norwegian king is still missing in action, and most of the parliament is dead, so I suppose unifying the crowns under Denmark makes sense, given Christian is running the show anyway.”

“That could be suitably wacky,” Alan nodded.

Both men winced as a flunky monkey burst in, very loudly, and was shot by Cheesolini.

“Ook,” the messenger said mournfully, looking down at where its tail used to be.

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“Oh, look,” Beancounter said, gingerly picking up, wiping and reading the letter. “The UK and France have agreed to negotiate East Africa.”

“Mmm,” grumbled Cheesolini, reloading his pistol.

“They have invited us to join the Stresa Front Alliance.”

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“Mmm?” Cheesolini grumbled at Alan.

“Yes, Mighty Cheesare. The Stresa Front was an agreement between the western powers against the Nazis, signed in 1935. You were there. Or rather, your predecessor was. And you yourself were, in our timeline’s 1935.”

“Hmmm,” Cheesolini put his head back down on the desk. Then he waved for Alan to continue.

“Anyway, we broke it when we invaded Ethiopia. And now they want us to sign up again, having conquered Ethiopia.”

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“A bit stupid, but we are dealing with Neville Chamberlain,” Beancounter added. “You’ll also be pleased to know that we have learnt lessons from the Great War and developed inter-war artillery.”
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“Our weapons manufacturers are now advanced enough that we can research improved infantry equipment at little to no penalty, and General Catstrophe informs me we are ready to invade Romania.”

“Ah, I was wondering where he’d gone,” Alan said. “War alright with you, Mighty Cheesare?”

Cheesolini appeared to have fallen asleep.

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“I think that’s a yes.”
 
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Everyone seems to be falling asleep (Alf Landon, Cheesolini to name a few).

As it stands, it looks as if Peru will take over Ecuador but Ecuador will take over parts of Peru.

Is Italy and the French magazine teaming up a good idea when the communists are winning the civil war? (Italy won't get their claims if they help out)
 
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Everyone seems to be falling asleep (Alf Landon, Cheesolini to name a few).

At this point, all the sensible people have clearly bailed or been fired or killed or whatever, because the world is rapidly falling to pieces and doing incredibly foolish things.

The negotiations over Italian East Africa are just one example. It gets increasingly demented from there in regards to what precisely the UK and France are willing to give me for free.

As it stands, it looks as if Peru will take over Ecuador but Ecuador will take over parts of Peru.

Things get really weird really quickly. Technically speaking, no one gets annexed in this rather quick surprise war.

Is Italy and the French magazine teaming up a good idea when the communists are winning the civil war? (Italy won't get their claims if they help out)

I'm thinking if we just declare war on the commune, we can sneak in and steal the stuff we need without annoying anyone who'll be around afterwards?

How exactly does control and war gain work these days? If say, France Commune takes Corsica from France Nation, we declare war on the former, take Corsica, and then the Commune falls, can we take Corsica as loot from them?
 
I'm thinking if we just declare war on the commune, we can sneak in and steal the stuff we need without annoying anyone who'll be around afterwards?

How exactly does control and war gain work these days? If say, France Commune takes Corsica from France Nation, we declare war on the former, take Corsica, and then the Commune falls, can we take Corsica as loot from them?
I'm pretty sure that as long as you don't share a faction or have mil access from a nation, you can take land and control it (That's how the Soviets are able to get Poland as a puppet even if Yalta doesn't happen). I'm not sure though if it works the same for civil wars (Although I think when Italy does its civil war the defeated side ends up in the peace deal).
 
I'm pretty sure that as long as you don't share a faction or have mil access from a nation, you can take land and control it (That's how the Soviets are able to get Poland as a puppet even if Yalta doesn't happen). I'm not sure though if it works the same for civil wars (Although I think when Italy does its civil war the defeated side ends up in the peace deal).

Ah...this may be a problem. Or maybe not, given how...interesting...the UK has been with strategic diplomacy.
 
The jam in those sandwiches was laced heavily with alcohol.

Regarding "Mega Cheezo," it feels like there's a Cheesolini multiverse out there, and that a good chunk of the variants have decided this timeline is the place to be.
Both men winced as a flunky monkey burst in, very loudly, and was shot by Cheesolini.

“Ook,” the messenger said mournfully, looking down at where its tail used to be.
Hasn't Cheesolini learned that you never shoot the messenger. Plus this is the 1930s so I'm imagining some sort of Wizard of Oz flying monkey palace coup.
 
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The jam in those sandwiches was laced heavily with alcohol.

Who are we to judge?

Regarding "Mega Cheezo," it feels like there's a Cheesolini multiverse out there, and that a good chunk of the variants have decided this timeline is the place to be.

I still haven't decided whether the anarchists are also Cheese related or different. The other option is a bit more pop culture though which isn't really my style.

Peru says its historically under the proper presodent dictstor but really...random attacks out of the blue, strange miltiary tactics, followed by even more ambitious wars?

clearly the spirit of cheese is at work here.

Hasn't Cheesolini learned that you never shoot the messenger.

The phrase exists because everyone always killed the messenger. It's satisfying like that.

Plus this is the 1930s so I'm imagining some sort of Wizard of Oz flying monkey palace coup.

The flying monkeys were in the grand finale chapter of the first Imperial Cheese, created by mad nazi science. Immediately improved upon by mad roman science creating hawk men instead.
 
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Regarding "Mega Cheezo," it feels like there's a Cheesolini multiverse out there, and that a good chunk of the variants have decided this timeline is the place to be.
Yea, else I'd have expected El Grande Queso as boss in Peru.
 
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Yea, else I'd have expected El Grande Queso as boss in Peru.

There is on the cutting room floor that entire segment in Spanish, with proper names.

I'm unsure, having not played it, but perhaps a south American country would be a decent, if somewhat uninteresting and limited, tutorial for the game because you'd be starting basically from scratch. Build your own army, navy and airforce. Everyone around you is never going to invade, pretty weak (as are you), and none of the great powers are going to come after you.

I do wonder if this is what peru does without the latest dlc, what can they do with a proper skill tree? And perhaps the interesting game of a Portuguese Brazil empire...
 
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Good lord, if we went down there every time one of them had a revolution or a border dispute or a falling out..
"It would be an accurate description of US foreign policy in the 20s and 30s."
I doubt the American people or Congress for that matter will be all that enthused for action or intervention. We don’t do that sort of thing here, you see.
Cough!
“A bit stupid, but we are dealing with Neville Chamberlain,”
As Austen once told him “Neville, you must remember you know nothing about foreign affairs." Sadly it appears Nev is once again determined to prove him right.
 
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"It would be an accurate description of US foreign policy in the 20s and 30s."

But there are no bananas in HOI4...

As Austen once told him “Neville, you must remember you know nothing about foreign affairs." Sadly it appears Nev is once again determined to prove him right.

Paradox have done some historical research and found out some things about the Stresa Front hitherto unknown to us. As we shall see, next chapter.
 
The grandfather of an Ecuadorian friend fought in that war. He barely fired his weapon, hunted lizards for food, and climbed trees like a monkey, not much like a war, though apparently not as fun as this AAR. The part where people in the U.S. didn't even know where Ecuador was is funny and accurate. At least, that’s how I imagine them talking about our countries during this period!