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Developer Diary | Alt-History Germany

Hallo, wie geht es dir?


Stay tuned for tomorrow, Thursday November 7th, that there will be a Dev AMA over on Reddit!

Paradox_Danne here one last time to guide you through the final German Dev Diary before Götterdämmerung drops and you can experience all of this first hand. Buckle up, because today we’re diving into German alt-history! Before we get started though, let’s have one last look at the old German Focus Tree and then compare it with the new one.

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The Old German Focus Tree has served us well over the years

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But it’s time to let a new German Tree sprout

As you can see, the new German Focus Tree is something of a behemoth and by far the largest Tree in the game. If you’ve read the previous two Developer Diaries about the Historical branches and the German systems (if not, stop reading this and head over there immediately!) most of you will recognize a lot of this, but there’s uncharted territory here as well. Hoist your proverbial sails and let’s see where the current takes us as we explore Germany’s alt-history.
But a word of warning before we cast off; all you are about to see is very much a work in progress, which means things might and will change.

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Germany’s democrats and monarchists have received more to do and are now even accompanied by the communists

As you might be able to tell, the alt-historical branch has been greatly expanded upon and offers a wide range of different playstyles for Germany. One thing that remains the same though is the actual Civil War. We decided very early on not to expand this bit or alter it all that much; we reasoned that if you want to play alt-history you want the Civil War to begin and end as soon as possible. So it’s very much straight to the point still (with maybe one or two new minor surprises). Before moving on to the various political paths, let’s talk about the few Civil War-centric focuses there are.

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After starting the Civil War you have a few focuses to help you through these dark times

With the Civil War tearing Germany apart, you can Rally the Nation to bring down the Nazis faster and Rebuild the Nation to help your industries recover faster, which then can be expedited with Revitalize the Nation. All of this should bolster Germany and help it recover quickly to move on to other things, such as tending to the future and deciding what kind of politics you want to pursue.

Democracy or Monarchism

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The Democratic and Monarchist paths share most focuses but cater to different playstyles while not excluding any of them

You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to quickly deduce that the Democratic and Monarchist branches share almost all focuses between them. This of course means you can be hyper-aggressive as a Democratic Germany, or become the savior of East Europe as the Kaiser and fend off Soviet aggression. This has been done to offer different ways of playing Germany, but it also has a basis in reality. After WW1 Germany never ratified the eastern borders set by the Versailles treaty (it would actually take until 1970 for the eastern borders to be accepted and ratified properly), and it always harbored a desire to regain these territories. Even during the Weimar Republic, Germany coveted these areas and never fully accepted the loss of these lands. You’ll be able to regain these lost parts of Germany through different means - but more on that later. Let’s discuss what exactly sets Democracy apart from a revived Kaiserreich.

Democracy

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After you Re-establish Free Elections you can become a technological powerhouse, secure better relations with your Western neighbors, but also become a beacon of Democracy

The Democratic branch is all about cooperation, reconciliation, and technological advancements. You can Reverse the Brain Drain to kick your research into high gear and then further improve it with Shared R&D Programs to really accelerate the research pace. And by making amends with your Western neighbours you can increase trade with them or even regain some of your old colonies. Depending on what you choose between Embrace Liberal Leanings or Strive for Conservative Values you’ll either make political advisors, Economic and Trade Laws much cheaper or get all political and military advisors at a slightly reduced cost while Conscription Law also gets a lot cheaper.

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Cooperation and reconciliation will lead to technological innovations and more trade

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The Shield of Democracy comes in two different flavours



Monarchism

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After you Revive the Kaiserreich you can start to realize the Imperial Forces’ true potential

The keen-eyed among you will notice that you can now choose which flavour of authoritarianism you want; the rule of good old Wilhelm II or install a Military Dictatorship with Wilhelm III as figurehead, with the Fourth Supreme Army Command as the true power in Germany. This also has a historical background with the Army Command being the de facto authority in Germany during the later parts of WW1. Both options have their own exclusive focuses with the Kaiser geared more toward research and the development of Special Projects while the Supreme Army Command is all about preparing Germany for the next war and strengthening its military. What’s true for both though, is the eagerness and willingness to rearm and demand lost territories and exact vengeance….

Weltpolitik

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With Germany’s old colonies lost, the question is how you will regain them

Now, after having chosen your leader and political course, it’s time to set sail and venture out on the open seas to rebuild your old empire through some good old-fashioned Weltpolitik - which simply means “world politics”. This was the imperial foreign policy under Wilhelm II as Germany aimed to become a global power. There are basically two ways to become a global empire once more; you can either accept British naval dominance and ask nicely (and sometimes not so nicely - looking at you Portugal) to get your old colonies back, or you can simply go to war over your old claims and demand your rightful place in the sun. Wedged in between these two paths you have a third option; to align more closely with China and offer both industrial and military help to bolster them. In the end, you’ll carve up Asia between yourselves in spheres of influence. “But wait, hold up, hold up”, I hear you say after taking a long, hard look at the picture above, “‘Carve up Congo’ doesn’t sound like anything the British would agree on”. Believe it or not, but this also has a basis in history; the then Prime Minister of Britain, Chamberlain, once offered Hitler to carve up Congo between both nations. This was a part of his appeasement strategy (famously working out oh-so-well), and the idea was that this would placate Hitler and his lust for conquest. Lmao. I thought it was a neat idea and put it here instead.

Realpolitik

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What alliances and deals will you strike to strengthen Germany?

If Weltpolitik is all about global power plays on the world stage, then Realpolitik is about how you conduct politics and diplomacy closer to home. The big name associated with the term is of course Otto von Bismarck, who used Realpolitik to achieve the unification of Germany and created a delicate balance of alliances in Europe designed to keep Germany out of a two-front war (which abruptly fell apart as soon as he left office - leading to WW1). There’s quite a lot to go through here actually, so let’s get started - and we’re starting from the far left with:

Mitteleuropa

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Tie other nations closer to Germany by strengthening their industries and exploiting their resources

Mitteleuropa of course means “Middle Europe” and is a German term for Central Europe, but the definition of what Mitteleuropa encompasses has shifted throughout the ages. It is not merely a geographical term, but also a political one. Mitteleuropa envisions a German-dominated central Europe with countries strongly tied to, or even ruled by, Germany. And this is exactly what you can achieve by going down this branch. After the Civil War you stand alone, without allies, but this changes here; this is where you once again can form your own alliance to weather whatever may come. This is also where you decide how to handle poor old Austria; do you invite them into your newly founded faction or do you push for unification, giving Burgenland to Hungary to entice them to join Mitteleuropa? From here you have to decide whether or not to restore the old Central powers (with either Austria or Hungary depending on your earlier choice), but under a much stronger German influence, or try to unify as much of Europe under your leadership as possible while making every faction member stronger until you’re able to form the European Confederation?

See to the Eastern Front

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Who said playing nice can’t be fun? Protect Eastern Europe before the Soviets come knocking on your door

What happens if you play it cool and don’t decide to gobble up other nations? Well, someone else is just going to take your place, aren’t they? There’s a very high likelihood that the USSR will start to eye the countries between them and you with increasing appetite (so not very different from history actually). Who’s going to stop them anyway? You? Ravaged by Civil War you can’t possibly hope to save the countries of Eastern Europe from their fate. It is sealed. A done deal. The Soviets will have these nations for breakfast. Well, I guess you can always try to help them. Offer them guarantees, construct forts, build up their industries, train their militaries - do whatever you can. There’s even a possibility that you can invite them into your faction and further boost their industries….

Restore the Brest-Litovsk Borders

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Coerce your eastern neighbours into giving up lands so you can restore the borders set by the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk

Well, what if you don’t want to play nice? Oh, there are options for you too (the Weltpolitik branch notwithstanding)! Many of you may already know this, but Germany signed a separate peace deal with the Russians towards the end of WW1, the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, where the Russians lost ⅓ of their population and over 50% of their industrial lands. So, a pretty severe blow. Well, all of this was undone by the Treaty of Versailles which annulled the treaty, and all of the lands Germany had gained became free nations. It is now within your grasp to restore these borders and German honour!

Reject the Locarno Treaty

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If you are of the mindset that the Treaty of Versailles was unfair you can Reject the Locarno Treaty and reclaim Elsass-Lothringen

The Locarno Treaty was signed between Germany and a whole bunch of other nations to secure and guarantee Germany’s new WW1 borders with France and Belgium. If you have chosen to bring back the Kaiser from his exile or appoint a military dictatorship, you have the option to first bully the Danes into giving back southern Jutland (another piece of land lost with the Treaty of Versailles), before you can Reject the Locarno Treaty and have at it with France one more time. As you may have noticed, this path is also accessible if you Accept British Naval Dominance in the Weltpolitik branch; the caveat being that France has to fulfill certain criteria first, much like the old focus with the same name.

But what if you don’t want to play a fascist, democratic, or monarchist Germany? Well, there are slim pickings then, but you can always start;

The Proletarian Revolution

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Throw off the shackles of capitalism and free workers around the world as Communist Germany

Welcome to the revolution comrades, it’s been a long time coming. It’s time to establish the Proletariat and bring it to the masses all around the world. There are two ways of doing this, one more aggressive than the other, but neither is peaceful (those damn capitalists just won’t see common sense!), but before we get ahead of ourselves we have to discuss how to turn Communist in the first place. You didn’t think you’d do it by the press of a button, did you? No, you need to press several buttons!

Some of you may deem this the most unrealistic path for Germany to take, but they had several socialist uprisings just after WW1 and some even broke away from Germany and proclaimed their own, independent Soviet republics. In fact, it was the Kiel Mutiny of November 1918 that sparked the following revolutions and uprisings and the downfall of the monarchy in Germany. This mutiny had clear socialist undertones, and while the Left was finally defeated in the German Revolution of 1918 and all German Soviet republics abolished, the Weimar Republic emerged from this turbulence helmed by the Social Democrats. Ok, why am I giving you this quick history lesson? Because this is kind of how you turn Communist; by mimicking history.

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Spread the Proletarian Revolution to new states to gain momentum for your cause!

For each state you spread the revolution to the stronger the Communist movement grows, but so does the instability of Germany. And be mindful that not all states are equal; the more industries a state has the more workers you can sway to your cause, and the bigger the impact in loss of stability and increase in Communism support you’ll get. You might also have noticed the Imminent Proletarian Revolution that’s ticking down. So what happens if you reach 0 days?

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The Second German Civil War

The states you manage to spread the Proletarian Uprising to will join you in any potential Civil War. Luckily, this Civil War is avoidable - if you play your cards right. For each state you spread the Proletarian Uprising to, you'll add days to the Imminent Proletarian Revolution, postponing the Civil War by a few days. This can also be achieved by completing certain focuses. It’s a race against the clock, but one which you should be able to win - especially if you plan ahead just a little bit.

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With The People’s Victory, you have finally become a true socialist nation

So, you’ve emerged as a Communist nation - what now? How will you secure the Revolution, or even spread it elsewhere? There’s a lot left to cover so let’s do a blitz through the various shared branches the Communists have.

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If you like the spy game, a Communist Germany is what you’re looking for where you can form the infamous Stasi

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Get Communist militias and upgrade Ernst Thälmann’s advisor trait in the Nationale Volksarmee branch (where you might have to sack some generals but also get new ones)

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Nationalize Industries to improve August Thalheimer and your factory output before expanding your Recruitable Population with Women’s Rights and Equality

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Sign the Second Treaty of Berlin to boost your and the Soviet’s industries and maybe trade some of your factories for resource rights

And that’s it for this blitz round. Let’s turn our attention to more intricate stuff, like how you-

Spark the Flame of Revolution

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You have had your revolution, comrades, but what about everyone else?

If you like flipping countries Communist, this is the path for you! Here you can Bolster Communist Sentiment in countries, and in doing so eventually trigger a Civil War in said nation. But to secure the Revolution and guarantee that your side comes out on top, you can send Infantry Equipment to countries embroiled in a Communist Civil War, or even send boots on the ground with your volunteer forces. By completing Spark the Flames of Revolution you’ll also create your very own faction: the Proletarian International. With Strengthen Proletarian International you’ll automatically invite any country you helped turn red to your new faction (so those pesky Soviets don’t sweep right in and reap what you’ve sowed by enlarging the Comintern).

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Turn all of Europe Red to bolster your faction in ever-growing numbers and put an end to Fascism in Europe


Root Out Imperialism

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You might have ended Fascism in Europe and turned all of your neighbors into docile allies, but what about the rest of the world?

If you want to spread the Proletariat beyond Europe’s borders you’ll have to Root Out Imperialism and increase resistance and autonomy in African and Asian countries suffering under the boot of colonialism. After that, you can spread the word of Marx to South America or the Middle East before facing off against the forces of Capitalism (which we all know resides in the USA) and the remnants of corporatism in Japan (we don’t care if they’ve turned their backs on their emperor or not - to us they’ll always be fascist sell-outs unless they’re actually Communists, which makes them waaaay cool).

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Communist hegemony won’t be realized until we have Hegemony over Europe


Legacy of the Spartacus League

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Look toward the past and follow in the footsteps of the Spartacus League

The roots of the German Communist movement and the German Communist Party (the KPD) can be found in the Spartacus League, a breakaway group of the Social Democrats. The Spartacus League was founded and led by Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg (both murdered during the Spartacist uprising in 1919), who both were very much anti-militarists. Luxemburg in particular believed in Democratic institutions and that Communism should use those venues to gain power, while Liebknecht believed in the proletarian revolution. This is also reflected in the exclusively Communist National Spirit of Politbüro.

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Politbüro will take on different aspects depending on which Communist path you go down

Honoring the Legacy of the Spartacus League emphasizes the spread of the revolution and embracing Democratic institutions, which all come together in a brand-new type of subjects, exclusive to this path - namely the:

Volkskommissariats

By spreading Communism to neighbouring countries you can subjugate them to Protect the Revolution after you Embrace Democratic Institutions and protect Civil Liberties. This in turn will let you create Volkskommissariats out of these neighbours. The Volkskommissariats will give you a higher percentage of their industries and manpower to their Overlord, namely you.

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The Volkskommissarit will strengthen its Overlord’s industries and military

You can also choose to develop your Volkskommissariats’ industry, which in the end will boost your own production. You can also help Instill German Discipline in your subjects, to make them a more effective fighting force

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Boosting your Volkskommissariats will inevitably strengthen you too

And in the end, you can choose to integrate any Volkskommissariats and create the German Socialist Volksunion. But what if you want more action? What if you don’t like taking your time map painting? What if you’re the impatient kind who just wants war? Welcome to the-

Proletarian Dictatorship

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The Proletarian Dictatorship resembles the other branches more in the sense that you get to gobble up a bunch of nations

This branch is more straightforward and to the point compared to the Legacy of the Spartacus League with its ability to set up Volkskommissariats; here you simply apply superior forces to conquer other nations. Yay! But before you can start your world-conquering rampage you have to sign a Defense Treaty with the Soviets to exchange mutual guarantees with each other, and after that, there’s just one more step; carve Europe into Spheres of Influence. Divide Europe into your respective playgrounds, where you’ll relinquish control over the East but have the West all to yourself. How fun! This will mean that it becomes more expansive for you to try and take any state that resides in the other’s influence.

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The Spheres of Influence will divide Europe between you and the Soviets

Okay, you must be getting tired of reading about how to turn Communist, or thinking about if you want to protect Eastern Europe from the greedy Soviets, or if you want to gobble it up yourself. We’re nearly done, let’s just look at some pretty pictures before saying goodbye.

Country Leaders

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Feast your eyes on some (but not all) of the new country leaders you can get with
Götterdämmerung

There might be some more surprises besides these, but the only way to find out is to play the game once the DLC has been released.

Advisors


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The political advisor roster for Democratic and Monarchist Germany

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The political advisor roster for Communist Germany


The Various Shapes and Colours of Germany

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Germany has a plethora of new formables

Units

Phew, we’re very nearly done! Thanks for sticking around this long (it’s been quite a long read). To finish this Dev Diary off we just want to show off some of the very cool new models we have! This is not all of them, but some of them.

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Some handsome German Infantry

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Some very hot German Infantry

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Some very cold German Infantry

And with that, I would like to say so long, farewell, auf wiedersehen. This is the last Developer Diary about Germany before the release of Götterdämmerung on November 14th, but it is not the final Developer Diary. Next up we have Performance and Modding dropping on November 11th, and after that, the last Dev Diary, Art and Achievements, out on November 12th. I hope you have enjoyed reading about what’s in store for Germany and I can’t wait for you to actually get to play it! See you around folks.
 
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Under what circumstances would Hitler flee to another country in the alt-history path? Will him appearing in other countries be part of the old easter eggs or will there be updated events?
 
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That's very nice! but can you show us eastern Duchy's leaders and territory.thanks early:)
I already did in a different post
is Mackensen still the leader of the Military Junta?
Yes
Can we please See Dome Grand Duchies Flags for poland Ukraine etc. ?
You can't make a puppet out of Poland, and the other Grand Duchies' I've shown of in a post already
I really liked the diary but I have a few Questions.

1. Will you get new scientists with the different Ideologys?(could you show them)
2. Why can't you annex austria and then carve up czechoslovakia. It would make much more sense, because if you try to unite all Germans it would make sense to demand sudetenland too.
3. Do you have to give Burgenland to Hungary. It was nonetheless a majority German speaking Region
4. Is there any way to rename the European confederation in Paneuropa? Especially as Adenauer was A Member of the Paneuropean Union.
5. Does accept British naval dominace still do the same?
You can annex Austria AND Czechoslovakia! You can form the EU through European Confederation. Yes, British Naval Dominance is more or less the same as the old content
Babe, wake up. I'm about to Oppose Moustache Man again for the n-th time!

Damn, I love how you added the Brest-Litovsk Path, as well as the "nicer" option of gathering more allies as Democratic and Imperial Germany.
Speaking of Democratic, very good to add the SPD instead of just having good 'ol Konrad Adenauer.
Volkskommissariats is nice.

The only thing I would have wanted to be added as well is a Strasserite Path.
Oh he might be there somewhere ;)
 
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What's the state of the German Generals after the civil war, particularly after the communist one? Any new ones to fill in the gaps that are left behind?
The Communists can get new ones, I've posted a picture of Communist and Monarchist generals elsewhere in this thread

Distinguishing is one thing, but the point is not about Germany having an Empire, but the internal structure of said nation, with a German Emperor ruling over several German Kings (Bavaria, Saxony etc.) and other duchies. If the Empire were to return, they wouldn't a) have a German King or b) call themselves Kaiserreich.
But perhaps the monarchist compromise is all about abolishing the title of emperor and empire and reach a compromise with the military to settle for a kindgdom instead? The German Kaiserreich is what Germany is called after you take the Military Dictatorship - if you go with the Kaiser it's still called the German Empire
So we can do both Realpolitik AND Weltpolitik?
Why of course! Why settle for little when you can have a lot? ;)
Some questions:

1. Will it be possible for Monarchist Germany ( Kaiser path ) to ally Monarchist Russia?

2. Why does Gerd von Rundstedt have the old guard trait? Wasn’t he an able commander who could adapt quite well to the changes on the battlefield? Or am I completely mistaken?

3. Is Monarchist Germany AI «forced» to use the pickelhaube 3D models, or will they use the regular german 3D?

4. Will old «Willie» and Wilhelm III get new portraits and traits?
1) There's nothing prohibiting you from inviting them into your faction
2) We changed von Rundstedt from a Field Marshal with a Defensive Doctrine trait, to making him a general (whom you can promotoe to a FM through a focus) and given him the trait Brilliant Strategist - which is more offensive oriented (because like you said, you was quite adaptable). We gave him the Old Guard trait to reflect his defensive abilities as well, not just his offensive capabilities
3) They're stuck with the Pickelhaube models
Please show all the portraits of the leaders of the duchies.
Already showed a pic of the Eastern Duchies elsewhere in this thread
And will there be events with chancellor elections every 4 years?
If you go Democratic, yeah
Germany looks awesome, cant wait to play it.
What does the Ally White Russians focus do?
Worth asking because the ROVS (along with most of the White emigrees) was very anti German, and the ones that did collaborate with the Germans were fascists.

To off on a tanget, it's weird that the ROVS, the largest White emigree organization and intact successor to the 1920 Russian Army was absent from NSB, including their generals and units.

Also, has the fascist China focuses been changed to no longer demand Qingdao? It's completely ahistorical and a fundamental misunderstanding of the Sino-German cooperation and why they chose each other as allies.
Very neat! What does they focus “Align the Russian White Movement” do if you don’t mind me asking? Also can we see portraits for the new communist generals please?
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But perhaps the monarchist compromise is all about abolishing the title of emperor and empire and reach a compromise with the military to settle for a kindgdom instead? The German Kaiserreich is what Germany is called after you take the Military Dictatorship - if you go with the Kaiser it's still called the German Empire
ok fair enough but then the flag kinda makes no sense,
on the war flag the prussian eagle was used because Prussia basically controlled the whole coastline (should be still not used for the kaiserreich flag imo), but for a whole kingdom of Germany they should still use the German Eagle instead on their national flag.
it is kinda weird that they compromise using the republican colors of germany but then using the prussian eagle on it

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edit: the 2nd last, the white flag with the iron cross and the eagle actually had the perfect HOI4 dimensions already
 
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Can we have the choice between the ‘Reichsflagge’ and the ‘Reichskriegsflagge’ as the German Empire (Kaiserreich) (Willhem path)?

It annoys me to see that for the German Empire (Willhem path) not the national flag black-white-red is used but the imperial war flag, i.e. that of the navy and with which the soldiers went into the First World War at that time. But they should fix the flag for the German Empire (Willhem path) or at least give me the option of deciding between the ‘Reichsflagge’ and the ‘Reichskriegsflagge’.
This flag is only if you choose to install the Military Dictatorship - Wilhelm II retains the same old flag and country name
Oops, forgot to ask this one question, what does the focus ‘tributes for guarantees’ exactly do, as opposed to ‘safeguard the Baltic’?
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Can we get a cosmetic tag/flag for Kingdom of Prussia if we got monarchist Germany, please :0
You can Balkanize Germany and start as Prussia, fighting to unify Germany once again
as a bavarian myself i formaly thank your for Rupprecht.
a bit sad to not be able to choose his house as kaiser but still, massive thanks to finally see the last bavarian king in Hoi4
But you can play as Bavaria ;) Just Balkanize Germany!
Then there is still need of better terminology.
The official name of the German Empire as well for the Weimar Republic was "Deutsches Reich", which you can translate as German Reich into english.
Why consider Germany not an Empire if their monarchist advocates for an Emperor and it's subdivisions have Kings (Prussia, Bavaria, Saxony, Württemberg)

Also i may haven't stressed enough, why the term "Kingdom of Germany" / "Königreich Deutschland" is so controversal.
The persons who proclaims today the Königreich Deutschland are part of the 'Reichsbürgerbewegung'.
The same guys, who quite recently had failed coup attempt against the German government two years ago.
Hmmm that is good information! I'll think it over, thanks for pointing it out to me

can communist germany go and obtain colonies as well? Such as in Africa? Or is that only for the other ideologies? Stupid question I know. Sorry
Not per se, but they can spread Communism far and wide with Spark the Flame of Revolution decisions.
 
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1) There's nothing prohibiting you from inviting them into your faction
2) We changed von Rundstedt from a Field Marshal with a Defensive Doctrine trait, to making him a general (whom you can promotoe to a FM through a focus) and given him the trait Brilliant Strategist - which is more offensive oriented (because like you said, you was quite adaptable). We gave him the Old Guard trait to reflect his defensive abilities as well, not just his offensive capabilities
3) They're stuck with the Pickelhaube models
Thanks for answering! Really appreciate it.

1) You’re right there isn’t, it’s just that it would be nice with a hidden focus path involving a rapprochement between the empires of Germany and Russia.

2) I feel like the cautious trait already represents Rundstedts defensive abilities really well. Also I think we have a different interpretation of the trait. For me the trait Old Guard means that the General/Admiral is stuck with military doctrine that is out of date, and inability to adapt to new doctrine. An example is Semyon Budyonny and his belief that the horse was superior to the tank in creating and securing breakthrougs.

3) This the one thing that I really don’t like. The Pickelhaube was already obsolete by WW1, and the German Empire was already replacing it with an early version of the Stahlhelm. The idea that Germany would replace excellent helmets, with obsolete headgear, it is not believeable. Please let monarchist Germany use the normal 3D models!
 
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Hmmm that is good information! I'll think it over, thanks for pointing it out to me
i dont agree really with the problem of the term "Kingdom of Germany" while it is true that some Reichsbürger use that term it shouldnt affect this game, especially because "Deutsches Reich" is used aswell by those idiots and you can literally play as Hitler in this game.
when i hear "Kingdom of Germany" i think about the kingdom of germany after the treaty of verdun, or East Francia and the time when the HRE were ruled by the German King as the HRE was basically a PU between the Kingdom of Germany and the Kingdom of Italy (burgundy was there somewhere aswell and no that is not a reference to anything)

so the term "Kingdom of Germany" should be fine if the story behind is good enough (why it is not an empire anymore, etc) and if it gets a different flag
 
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Can the names of cities change if they are occupied by Germany? For example, Torun to Thorn or Poznan to Posen without a decision, just like the Swedes can do with the Finnish cites. If they can, is that dependent on ideology or can any ideology do it? Will the names of the Reichskommisariats change as well, Tartu to Dorpat and Tallin to Reval?
 
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Thanks for answering! Really appreciate it.

1) You’re right there isn’t, it’s just that it would be nice with a hidden focus path involving a rapprochement between the empires of Germany and Russia.

2) I feel like the cautious trait already represents Rundstedts defensive abilities really well. Also I think we have a different interpretation of the trait. For me the trait Old Guard means that the General/Admiral is stuck with military doctrine that is out of date, and inability to adapt to new doctrine. An example is Semyon Budyonny and his belief that the horse was superior to the tank in creating and securing breakthrougs.

3) This the one thing that I really don’t like. The Pickelhaube was already obsolete by WW1, and the German Empire was already replacing it with an early version of the Stahlhelm. The idea that Germany would replace excellent helmets, with obsolete headgear, it is not beliebeable. Please let monarchist Germany use the normal 3D models!
im fine with a different model, but yes the pickelhaube would be kinda wrong, atleast some ww1 Sturmtruppen outfit or so would be nice
 
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term "Kingdom of Germany" should be fine if the story behind is good enough
I think it can work "King in Prussia" style, albeit with different reasons for the "in". Say Germany is still called the Deutsches Reich or (more mildly sounding) the Deutscher Bund; just "Germany" as on map name would be ok then for English localization. I.e. the name of the state not reflecting the government form. And then Willy titled as "King in Germany", basically recognizing him as royalty but telling very clearly he has no real power.

Would be absolutely memey but kinda cool, and not nearly as deranged as some other things currently in the game.
 
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-Which Territories are transferred in "Danzig for Guarantees", the whole pre-1920 territories or only Danzig (and West Prussia)?
-Does the "See to the Eastern Front" Path include the Returning of Memel?
-I guess "The Austrian Question" is essentially Anschluss, is "Carve up Czechoslovakia" only available after "Brothers in Arms" or after "The Austrian Question" as well? And how exactly is Czechoslovakia carved up here? I guess it is about the Sudetenland, Is that the only way to get the Sudetenland?
-Can you get cores on (northern) South Tyrol (aka Alto Adige/Bolzano) (BTW are you ever going to fix that border? Or did I miss that in the Austrian Dev Diary?)
-With the monarchy compromise, will we get the Nazi-Crownprince (Wilhelm "III") or his son (Wilhelm "IV") as Emperor? Wilhelm "III" wasn't particularly popular, in 1918 before the monarchy was abolished he was to renounce his inheritance in favour of his son, and whenever there were talks to restore the monarchy Wilhelm III's sons were the candidates and never Wilhelm III himself.
-Considering you won't have German East Africa, how will "Carve up the Congo" look like?
-Will there be a possibility to get Alsace-Lorraine back (or at least cores on it) if France goes non-democratic? (The loyalty of the Alsatians always laid with those who offered the most liberties for them, between a fascist France and a democratic Germany, especially one without the whole Nazi-Baggage, that would be Germany) Or will "Reject the Locarno Treaty" be bypassed if France changes its ideology. It should definitely be bypassed if France claims its "natural" Borders.
-Any chance we might get Otto Braun as Chancellor?
Territories from Danzig/Tributes for Guarantees I just posted a pic about those focuses, see it in a few posts above
You can do either Brothers in Arms or The Austrian Question and still do either on of the following focuses. You'll end up with either Austria or Hungary as a potential ally.
There are plenty of cores to get! Coring Alsace Lorraine is done in the focus above this one:
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Carving up Congo:
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How does "Demand lithuanian integration" work? Do you force them to be annexed or do they become a puppet?
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just want to highlight here the messed up borders of South tyrol and i also really hope they are getting fixed (same for french basque country)

and if Wilhelm IIIs son gets crowned he should be called Wilhellm III instead because you cant be Wilhelm IV if there was never a WIlhelm III, and the Son of WIlhelm II was never crowned, neither king of Prussia nor Emperor of Germany. If someone today would be crowned Emperor whose name is WIlhelm he would be technically also WIlhelm III
It's weird that there's a Napoleon III but not a second ;)
Thanks for answering! Really appreciate it.

1) You’re right there isn’t, it’s just that it would be nice with a hidden focus path involving a rapprochement between the empires of Germany and Russia.

2) I feel like the cautious trait already represents Rundstedts defensive abilities really well. Also I think we have a different interpretation of the trait. For me the trait Old Guard means that the General/Admiral is stuck with military doctrine that is out of date, and inability to adapt to new doctrine. An example is Semyon Budyonny and his belief that the horse was superior to the tank in creating and securing breakthrougs.

3) This the one thing that I really don’t like. The Pickelhaube was already obsolete by WW1, and the German Empire was already replacing it with an early version of the Stahlhelm. The idea that Germany would replace excellent helmets, with obsolete headgear, it is not beliebeable. Please let monarchist Germany use the normal 3D models!
The Cautious Trait will just make him less likely to get wounded and doesn't really make him better in defensive roles, unlike Old Guard which gives +1% Entrancement - which is why he received that trait
yeah, I know - it's just to add some nice flavor. You're not forced to use it as a player
 
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Can the names of cities change if they are occupied by Germany? For example, Torun to Thorn or Poznan to Posen without a decision, just like the Swedes can do with the Finnish cites. If they can, is that dependent on ideology or can any ideology do it? Will the names of the Reichskommisariats change as well, Tartu to Dorpat and Tallin to Reval?
Yes, the states change names!
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Where is Otto Strasser and his path? There is no way to bring Weimar Republic back? (No Democratic Republic Path?)
Democracy was not very popular at that point, and the non-fascist parts of the army dominated by monarchists.

Imagine having them fight a civil war to get rid of the fascists, and afterwards telling them "By the way, we decided the monarchy shouldn't return.". That would just lead to a coup. The figurehead monarch compromise would be the absolute minimum they'd be willing to accept.
 
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I disagree with parts of the effects, as no Polish government would survive giving up Poznan for any reason at all, especially not a guarantee, and would likely face a coup trying to oust it.

The Poznan region, or Greater Poland, is one of the three Polish historical heartland regions (next to Lesser Poland and Mazovia), the birthplace of Polish culture and where the first Polish Capital was. Giving up Danzig and Gdynia? Very ahistorical but sure. Maybe even Katowice. But giving up Poznan without a war, for guarantees of all things, would be political (and probably actual) suicide for any politician. It's as if France asked the UK to give up London.

I'd ask to remove Poznan from this list. For guarantees Gdynia, Danzig and possibly Katowice are enough. Poznan would have to be taken with the threat of war if lucky, or more likely with an actual wargoal and resulting war.

Edit: Funny how 3/4 people who downvoted this so far, all had Wilhelm II profile pics. Care to elaborate what is wrong with what i wrote, and why, in your opinion, a country would willingly give up its culutral birthplace?
 
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It's weird that there's a Napoleon III but not a second ;)
wikipedia:
When Napoleon I tried to abdicate on 4 April 1814, he said that his son would rule as emperor. However, the coalition victors refused to acknowledge his son as successor, and Napoleon I was forced to abdicate unconditionally some days later. Although Napoleon II never actually ruled France, he was briefly the titular Emperor of the French after the second fall of his father. He died of tuberculosis at the age of 21.

that is already more than the Son of Wilhelm II ever was, he wasnt even titular Emperor of Germany. Wilhelm II abdicated at it was done
 
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I disagree with parts of the effects, as no Polish government would survive giving up Poznan for any reason at all, especially not a guarantee, and would likely face a coup trying to oust it.

The Poznan region, or Greater Poland, is one of the three Polish historical heartland regions (next to Lesser Poland and Mazovia), the birthplace of Polish culture and where the first Polish Capital was. Giving up Danzig and Gdynia? Very ahistorical but sure. Maybe even Katowice. But giving up Poznan without a war would be political (and probably actual) suicide for any politician. It's as if France asked the UK to give up London.

I'd ask to remove Poznan from this list. For guarantees Gdynia, Danzig and possibly Katowice are enough. Poznan would have to be taken with the threat of war if lucky, or more likely with an actual wargoal and resulting war.
well there is even a focus in the polish tree where Nazi-Germany just gives Poland all its eastern territory for free, so ....
 
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I now thought of the Dual Monarchy of the Great Germans Empire (covering the area of the German and Austro-Hungarian Empires) - joint rule of the Hohenzollerns and the Habsburgs. By conquering the Scandinavia, Great Britain and Northern France, the Magna Germania could be formable + the possibility of creating satellite states such as Kingdom of the Vandals (Northern Africa), Kingdom of the Suebi (Portugal), Kingdom of the Franks (France), Kingdom of the Burgundians (Southeast France), Kingdom of the Lombard (Italy), Kingdom of the Visigoths (Spain), Kingdom of the Varangians (Grecce, Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Serbia, Montenegro, Turkey, Levant and Caucasus) or the Kingdom of the Goths (huge Eastern European Germanic state, cover: Poland, Baltic States, Belarus, Ukraine and European part of Russia).
This is what i think someone should do for a mod. It would be fun to have both monarchies work together in the same country and have a national spirit that reflects that.
 
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well there is even a focus in the polish tree where Nazi-Germany just gives Poland all its eastern territory for free, so ....
I doubt it's part of a deal with receiving a guarantee.

What would the guarantee even be for then? It would boil down to, "You give us the territory you want to keep the most, so that we can guarantee that you can keep the territory which you want less."
 
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This is what i think someone should do for a mod. It would be fun to have both monarchies work together in the same country and have a national spirit that reflects that.
i mean the mechanic sounds interesting, the names just makes no real sense for the puppet kingdoms.
Lombards, suebs and vandals simply dont excist anymore really and i dont think the german empire would simply call the french "kingdom of the franks" while the majority of austrasia was still located in germany and they also had a frankish claim (just not all germans obvioulsy)

but i think something like a germanic empire where the nordic and english kings are forced to swear loyalty to the Kaiser would be intersting.
a monarchist Greater germanic Empire
 
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