Crusader Kings III: Chapter IV

[Cyhort]

Sigh.

I will forever say that expanding the map to Asia is a bad idea. I think it's going to cause more issues with performance and undercooked regions and I don't see a need for CK to ever go that far outside of Europe. I'm not even a fan of India, but I get that the map just looks weird if you add in the steppes and nothing else.

That said, please, please, please don't give Japan and Korea the shaft in favor of China. I know China is the big focus, but you have a real opportunity to do something unique in the strategy game world and have a strategy game where you can play Japan that isn't set in or around the sengoku period and I really hope you take advantage of that. Don't just throw them on the map with light mechanics the way so much of the eastern map is now. And don't pull an Administrative Government where you just copypaste Chinese government mechanics onto Japan and call it a day. I hate being negative this early in the process because it always annoys me when people crap on a piece of DLC before the first DD even goes up, but if you must add Asia, please add it properly. Asia is more than just China.

 

[Juneba111]

Why call the new higher title tier "Hegemony"? Why not simply "Mandate"?

I am appalled at the extent of the content you guys claim to be making, especially the Chinese content!
But "Hegemony", with all respect, sounds like a silly and misplaced name... Sounds a lot more like a unique system fitting of any realm that is empire-sized and has a regional grip, similar to the "Dominance" new system that is being added for Nomads.
The name "Mandate", on the other hand, sounds a lot more like something that would actually be sitting higher than an "Emperor", like the divine itself held that title, therefore fitting in a lot better with the "Celestial" government type y'all are going for. Besides, Celestial government aside, imagine restoring the Roman Empire and growing so large and powerful that it becomes a "Mandate"! The "Mandate of Rome"!!! Sounds a lot cooler than "the hegemon of Rome", y'know.

 

[Cassilda]

I'm very happy to see the map expanded to include China and Japan, but I hope that can be done without tanking the game performance, that's my big worry.

 

[StJimmyRocks92]

I suggest redrawing the image of the general on the far left of the visual, because this is a kind of clothing that only appeared after the 17th century.
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In the time period of CKIII, the clothing of Chinese generals usually looked like this
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Not even just for historical accuracy, that armor is just cooler in general

 

[Weyird]

I'm a little scared that ALL of Asia is being added... China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia... that's a lot. It could be great, but it makes it easy to drop the ball.

It makes me scared that they won't get the detail that they need. I think I'd have preferred china now, and the others in later DLC's.

 

[The Shacks]

China shouldn't be added. It should be its own game. It would be an instant buy.

We are just going to see huge slow down in performance now, for no gain. The same happened for me when India was added in CK2, my laptop struggled from then on.

Kind of find myself agreeing. I'd buy a Paradox: Three Kingdoms or Warring States game in a heartbeat but I kinda have no interest in playing Crusader Kings in Vietnam or Malaysia or Korea or China *shrug*. As others have pointed out India has been a flavourless drain on resources and computational power that could have been put to better use on a deeper simulation and smarter AI that actually make the game interesting....all of Asia added just furthers this problem. If I hadent just bought a new PC i'd also be very concerned turning Ck3 on after this update will blow my computer up. ~

All that aside, it will make the simulation slightly more realistic and make the Steppe much more realistic as all the nomads wont just be funnelled into Europe and the Tamaklan. Could just be its own game though. A more limited scope would make CK3 much better.

 

[Dathremo]

I am a bit curious what the point of adding Sub-Saharan Africa for CK3 was if after 4 and half years nothing has been done with it and we are now adding new areas to the map before addressing the bits that already exist that have not been touched (Sub Saharan Africa and India being the two glaring examples)

Dev Diary 26 had an entire section that went into detail dedicated to how expanded the map was compared to CK2.

Are there any plans to do anything in these regions moving forward?

Coronations finally being added is great although they should have been in the game at launch I am not going to give credit for readding a feature that existed in CK2 only to be added in to CK3 years later as a paid DLC

 

[Dathremo]

I'm a little scared that ALL of Asia is being added... China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia... that's a lot. It could be great, but it makes it easy to drop the ball.

It makes me scared that they won't get the detail that they need. I think I'd have preferred china now, and the others in later DLC's.

Considering the treatment Africa has gotten thus far... you should be scared

 

[brantodb01]

"China"
And
"Cruaader kings"
Are a dangerous combination. I wish you the best of luck but adding the far east is incredibly hard to do right

 

[LamarckianEnterprise]

Okay so, longtime SEA player here (specifically Indonesian), could I ask y'all to tell me more about what performance improvements y'all are implementing that specifically justifies the map expansion? Or are there ways to just cut that shit down in the middle by default?

Because right now ironically I'm looking at this and not thinking about finally doing that Javanese colonization of Netherlands game, I'm thinking about how my laptop can't handle Rajas of Asia and despises AtE with south america enabled and wondering if most people from irl Asia could even still play the nearly 5 year old game they bought full game price DLCs semi regularly for.

At least the indonesian dev diaries would be neat though, nice to finally get literally any pre dutch colonization history recognized, I went to a Majapahit history book signing a while back and the author said some people he know thought that was a kind of candy.

 

[ClarkStuff]

Will there be fixes to the performance so the game can still run well with all these new provinces?

 

[Kazanov]

In late CK2 they improved a lot the performance of the game, wonder if they can do that in CK3 because adding a few thousand provinces sounds like a gamebreaker to me.

We will have tributeries in Steppe DLC?

 

[Videogames]

I'm really looking forward to this. I thought Southeast Asia content would have to wait until later, and that Japan perhaps wouldn't come at all. Here are my questions for the Q&A:

-Chinese government looked very different between the orderly civil rule of the Song dynasty and the military governors and warlordism of the late Tang and Five Dynasties periods. Is the celestial government type going to be able to represent both aspects? Or is it a job of something like the Mandate system to show that?

-Vassal play for Byzantine admin did a good job letting us play as provincial governors, but for China I'm hoping for the central government to play more of a role. Will players be able to compete to rise up the ranks in a ministry, or perhaps join the Censorate and root out corruption in other characters?

-For Southeast Asian mandala government, will it be possible to take on the aspect of a dharmaraja as an alternative to devaraja? I'm imagining playing as a humble and scrappy Ramkhamhaeng and standing up to the might of Angkor and its god-kings.

-For Japan, it sounds like the emperor, kampaku, and shogun will pull the government in different directions depending on who's ascendant. I imagine the shogun would pull the realm in a more feudal direction. Is there also an option to also push for the proper implementation of the Ritsuryo system and end up achieving a Chinese-style government in Japan?

 

[Vicarun]

My reaction was literally to pinch myself. I honestly still don't believe it, and I know other people have a similar reaction, in that it actually sounds TOO GOOD. I mean, no offense guys I like your games, but we are used to things like... Spain expansion! Now with more Spain! Hats expansion! Buy our new hats! And now we're getting ALL of East Asia? China, Korea, Japan and Khmer? And all for €30? If you guys pull it off it's going to be the best DLC of its kind, but until then I actually just don't believe it lol

 

[Meshal of Arabia]

Will there be performance improvements to accommodate this chapter? I think this DLC will be quite heavy on most systems if there is no optimizations to the engine

 

[Empocariam]

My questions for the Q&A


Anything specific to share about the new models for animals like Horses and Sheep we've seen?


Does the map expansion come with the Steppe of China DLC? Or partially in on and the rest on the other?

 

[raistlin_wizard]

After some further thought, the best I can currently come up with might be to use the current system to represent the upper ranking concubines and then allow the player to assign single, eligible women in the court as concubines, granting them modifiers and a relationship similar to lovers so that they can bear your child. These lesser concubines could use potentially use hooks or a scheme or such to elevate their position into one of the three and jostle with one another.

Concubines should be a way for small governors to send their daughters and if they do well in court get more influence for them and their family. It should be a key part of Chinese court politics.

 

[cybrxkhan]

A few questions:

1. How will Vietnam, Korea, and other regions in the Sinosphere be represented in terms of government? That is, will they have some variation of the Chinese Admin government, to represent their own historical processes? Additionally, how will the process of Sinicization culturally be depicted? For instance, Vietnam's history especially during the CK3 period during the ethnogenesis of the modern Viet identity is closely tied to the rise of a mixed Sinic-Viet elite.
2. Will the Khitan have some sort of nomad + admin blend at some point? A lot of their legitimacy IRL when they came into Central Asia in the 1100s was because their Muslim subjects saw their Chinese administrative apparatuses as enlightened and just.
3. Although there's been talk about representing the rest of the "Old World," I assume much of the focus will be on Asia obviously. Will we see anything for the rest of the Old World for Africa? I assume we won't really see anything that far down, but I'm hoping we get a bit of a bone for example with the Swahili.

I'm sure I will have more questions lol but these were the big ones that came to mind for me at the moment.

 

[ClarkStuff]

In late CK2 they improved a lot the performance of the game, wonder if they can do that in CK3 because adding a few thousand provinces sounds like a gamebreaker to me.

We will have tributaries in Steppe DLC?

Yeah it was mentioned in the video

 

[zweihander]

Question:

The Steam page of All under Heaven says:
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  New historical starting bookmarks bring fresh perspectives and historical challenges. Play as iconic characters from the past or forge your unique paths „

May I ask does it include new start date? Or just bookmarks of existed start dates?