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Uriel Blackwing said:
I mean, ultimately this all quite subjective. And obviously, my headcanon of Yaka is NOT at all what he is actually like. And you are obviously right that one has to separate gameplay and story a bit, at the very least.

That why I wanted to know what you guys' ranking are. Thats the fun, after all.
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Ok, I will make a list. But it will be some kind of all time ranking.

1. Merlin in his prime / All-Devourer

Going by achievements and capability, those two should be pretty high. Merlin managed to beat the traitor wizardkings (even if he got some help) while still learning all the magical spheres. Stuff like beating Yaka "God of fire" when being an apprentice fire wizardking is quite impressive. After beating the traitor wizardkings he got captured by the All-Devourer but despite being constantly tortured by it he managed to gather allies to fight the shadow demons and ultimatively managed to beat him in a final showdown with his allies.

All-Devourer is up here, because so far he seems to be more capable than Lithyl. He did menage to enslave the syrons for aeons and nearly conquered Athla. Seemingly by first seducing some wizardkings into using shadow demons what led to their doom and later on with some kind of invasion, but his machinations fell short in the end. Though, no true immortality for him it seems, which is a bit weird I think. He should have had godir powers at that point.

2. Sundren

Started as a little rebellious princess, uncovered the plot of Werlac with merlins help, created the torchbearers, won the big war (I think it was kinda vs elves and empire in the end) and managed to barter for peace after uncovering the evil plot.
Then when Werlac succeeded anyway she managed to fight of Lithyl and even captured her even if it took decades. Then was essentially manipulating the two major factions of Magehaven and managed to open the worldvault to aid in the eternal war against the shadow demons. If it was a good idea still is not yet clear. But she managed to break a prison that is older than Athla.

3. Lithyl - Eldritch Sovereign

As humanoid she clearly failed. She was one of the first to invade Athla (havent seen anything about leading anyone) but clearly got beat up by Sundren at some point. Got captured by her and corrupted into an Eldritch Sovereign then freed by Merlin, which she promptly corrupted. Is now in control of the Umbral demons and nearly managed to destroy Athla, similar to the All-Devourer. She has some scarry powers it seems but it is hard to gauge how common those are so far.

4. Werlac - Aow3

Not very powerfull on his own but managed to essentially control the whole of Athla from the shadows. Got stopped by the torchbearers but somehow found another ally to help him reinvite the wizardkings of old. From then on it only went downhill for him. Nobody gave him the "thank you" he hoped for, no wizardking gifted him powers or immortality and he resorted to allying up with Urrath, becoming an unimportant minion as jailor in some distant umbral corrupted realm.

5. Afred Elderstone

A young godir that managed to unite the humans of Athla against the Wizardkinginvasion to fight back. He helped repell Lithyl and shows great potential to become a key asset in fighting Urraths corruption.
 
So Yaka is deranked because he is manipulated. Fair enough
Merlin on the other hand has a penality for getting help ? I'd say it's the other way around. He was very charismatic and could rally people under his banner.

I really think you overestimate werlac, alfred and sundred. They came along in a time when the legendary wizard-kings were sealed by merlin. They were in awe and fear of the wizard kings in thouse times. This to me indicates they are no on par with the wizard kings of old.
Sundred pretty sure got a power boost after the wizard kings opened the gates sealed by Merlin again.

Power wise aow3 they are weaker then the wizard of previous games because they no longer have acces to that magic.
 
STARSDragoon said:
Ok, I will make a list. But it will be some kind of all time ranking.

1. Merlin in his prime / All-Devourer

Going by achievements and capability, those two should be pretty high. Merlin managed to beat the traitor wizardkings (even if he got some help) while still learning all the magical spheres. Stuff like beating Yaka "God of fire" when being an apprentice fire wizardking is quite impressive. After beating the traitor wizardkings he got captured by the All-Devourer but despite being constantly tortured by it he managed to gather allies to fight the shadow demons and ultimatively managed to beat him in a final showdown with his allies.

All-Devourer is up here, because so far he seems to be more capable than Lithyl. He did menage to enslave the syrons for aeons and nearly conquered Athla. Seemingly by first seducing some wizardkings into using shadow demons what led to their doom and later on with some kind of invasion, but his machinations fell short in the end. Though, no true immortality for him it seems, which is a bit weird I think. He should have had godir powers at that point.

2. Sundren

Started as a little rebellious princess, uncovered the plot of Werlac with merlins help, created the torchbearers, won the big war (I think it was kinda vs elves and empire in the end) and managed to barter for peace after uncovering the evil plot.
Then when Werlac succeeded anyway she managed to fight of Lithyl and even captured her even if it took decades. Then was essentially manipulating the two major factions of Magehaven and managed to open the worldvault to aid in the eternal war against the shadow demons. If it was a good idea still is not yet clear. But she managed to break a prison that is older than Athla.

3. Lithyl - Eldritch Sovereign

As humanoid she clearly failed. She was one of the first to invade Athla (havent seen anything about leading anyone) but clearly got beat up by Sundren at some point. Got captured by her and corrupted into an Eldritch Sovereign then freed by Merlin, which she promptly corrupted. Is now in control of the Umbral demons and nearly managed to destroy Athla, similar to the All-Devourer. She has some scarry powers it seems but it is hard to gauge how common those are so far.

4. Werlac - Aow3

Not very powerfull on his own but managed to essentially control the whole of Athla from the shadows. Got stopped by the torchbearers but somehow found another ally to help him reinvite the wizardkings of old. From then on it only went downhill for him. Nobody gave him the "thank you" he hoped for, no wizardking gifted him powers or immortality and he resorted to allying up with Urrath, becoming an unimportant minion as jailor in some distant umbral corrupted realm.

5. Afred Elderstone

A young godir that managed to unite the humans of Athla against the Wizardkinginvasion to fight back. He helped repell Lithyl and shows great potential to become a key asset in fighting Urraths corruption.
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Werlac is ranked pretty high for you. I suppose, its because he actually won AoW3 in a sense? I can see the argument, for sure, and he definitely has this main-villain material, but he did get a rather hefty reality check later on. Though, I wonder if perhaps they will do something with that story-wise?

Personally, I would love a storyline where Werlac has enough being a lackey and starts being a threat again. He has everything he needs to flip the proverbial table, really. Then again, his whole character has this theme of "be careful what you wish for".
 
DragonZee said:
Are there any canon Giant King or Dragon Lord Godirs? Because that would make them a level above all others imo...
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Sumuskira the Grovetender might be one, given her appearance in Eldritch Realms. Not sure about the other Dragon Lords. As for Giant Kings… their expansion isn’t even out yet, so we can’t really say anything on that front.
 
Sumuskira is one of the Primal Dragons, of which there is one for each Sphere of Magic, basically. Think, like, the oldest dragons around.

She is at the very least powerful enough to protect the Player Character from Lythils attempt to corrupt them. Not to the level of Alfreds rebound on her, but I thinks thats less because Alfred is powerful and more because he is more of a natural enemy to Lythil in particular.
 
DragonZee said:
Yeah but is this canon like Sundren, Yaka etc as in - were any of the dragons mentioned in the lore? Most of the pre-made Dragon Lords were created for Ashen War.
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Sumuskira literally pops up in Arcalot, aka the (currently) last Story-Realm. So, yes, they are canon. Ashen War is too. All the Challenge-Realms are canon.
 
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Honestly i kinda hate the story so far in aow4. Don't get me wrong this game is turning up to be the best aow ever in spite of it's shaky release. The DLCs have made it amazing.

I hate the sundred/lythil reveal. It was forced and felt like here's a plot twist and a big reveal for the sake of a plot twist to exist. Also you go on this long search for Meandor for him to do not much.
Same for Merlin showing up as a squid. It was not cool or fun it was just another plot twist that was forced and bad for the sake of having plot twists.

And the bug lythil is basically all-devourer 2.0 from alibaba and nobody cares about her. I actually cared way more when "she" was a wizard king and the leader of the shadrai before the plot twists ruining it.

PLEASE stop it with these plot twists you don't need them at every corner. Just make it fun and cool !


Edit: this is MY oppinion !
 
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Uriel Blackwing said:
Werlac is ranked pretty high for you. I suppose, its because he actually won AoW3 in a sense? I can see the argument, for sure, and he definitely has this main-villain material, but he did get a rather hefty reality check later on. Though, I wonder if perhaps they will do something with that story-wise?

Personally, I would love a storyline where Werlac has enough being a lackey and starts being a threat again. He has everything he needs to flip the proverbial table, really. Then again, his whole character has this theme of "be careful what you wish for".
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Yes, mostly that. He somehow still won 3. But its ironic he got nothing he hoped for and basically became a minor minion in the end.

Currently i wouldnt even place him in a best of list. But this is mostly going by hight of Power comparison. Werlac in 3 Was the secret Mastermind, instigating a war for his own benefit, mostly without getting found out. In 4 he is some annoying roadbump at best.
 
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aerothgow said:
So Yaka is deranked because he is manipulated. Fair enough
Merlin on the other hand has a penality for getting help ? I'd say it's the other way around. He was very charismatic and could rally people under his banner.

I really think you overestimate werlac, alfred and sundred. They came along in a time when the legendary wizard-kings were sealed by merlin. They were in awe and fear of the wizard kings in thouse times. This to me indicates they are no on par with the wizard kings of old.
Sundred pretty sure got a power boost after the wizard kings opened the gates sealed by Merlin again.

Power wise aow3 they are weaker then the wizard of previous games because they no longer have acces to that magic.
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Was that aimed at me? Because werlac sundren and Alfred are fully fledged godir now. I take that into account and wouldnt list them if they werent. Sundren for example played the wizardkings of old in the basegame Story. Which is more umpressive than what werlac did. While also stopping werlacs original plan.

Though, i suspect if athla Was still like in 2 with the wizardkings, werlac might have been able to manipulate them too for his goals and would have stolen their secrets for Power like inioch did (but inioch couldnt use them in time).
 
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Uriel Blackwing said:
Sumuskira is one of the Primal Dragons, of which there is one for each Sphere of Magic, basically. Think, like, the oldest dragons around.

She is at the very least powerful enough to protect the Player Character from Lythils attempt to corrupt them. Not to the level of Alfreds rebound on her, but I thinks thats less because Alfred is powerful and more because he is more of a natural enemy to Lythil in particular.
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It was actually merlins attempt. I checked the Screenshots lately.
 
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