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Many names work without "empire". Byzantium, East Rome, etc. So, there's no agreement on that.
But the distinction between empire and non empire names can be good for UI design. All the possible names make a long list, lots of scrolling, so perhaps the game could ask some preliminary questions like "Do you want the name for the state that in 1337 controls Constantinople to be endonym or exonym" and "Do you think the name should include the word Empire or its equivalent in some other language" and use those to limit the list so the player only sees a few dozen of the names.
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Choose your own adventure Constantinople:
"If you believe that this state is Rome, please go to game rule #14, otherwise go to game rule #7"
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*If you believe that this state is Rome, please go to game rule #14, otherwise go read a book you ignorant pleb
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Yes, when you start PC for the first time there should be a quiz with ten questions on Byzantium, if you fail you need to restart the game and try again.
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In reality there weren't any Eastern Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire. There was only the ROMAN EMPIRE until the 15th century, and the people were called Romans (Ρωμαίοι) which later became Romanoi/Rhomanoi (Ρωμάνοι) and later the shortened version used for the Hellenes/Greeks to this day "Ρωμιοί". Which means Romans. Ρωμανία is another name used, which means the country of the Romans (Ρωμαίων/Ρωμιών) and shouldn't be confused with Romania (Ρουμανία) the country in North of the Aimos Peninsula.
Βυζάντιο (Latin: Byzantium) is the name of the City-State of the Classical Era, which Constantine the Great expanded and became Constantinople.
Βυζάντιο (Latin: Byzantium) is the name of the City-State of the Classical Era, which Constantine the Great expanded and became Constantinople.
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Welcome to the pro-Roman club, here's your
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Cannot see myself wearing the crowns or hats of emperors.
But no problem with these.
But no problem with these.
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Is that the proper place to wear a sword? Seems that you'd knock your knee on it on every step.
It came to me last night. The perfect compromise... When you load the game... it randomizes between all the names for it. Byzantine Empire, Eastern Roman Empire, Empire of the Romans, Basiliea ton Rhomaion, Rhomania, Greek Empire, etc etc etc etc etc... on game launch you get selected one randomly.
Then everybody will be happy
Then everybody will be happy
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I would guess not much they preferred other ways of indicating the date. I found the passage in the long world chronicle by the Byzantine historian John Zonaras, and he only says: "ὁ δέ γε Καῖσαρ ὑπὸ τῶν περὶ Βροῦτον καὶ Κάσσιον ἐν Ῥώμῃ κτείνεται" i. e. "Caesar is killed in Rome by those around Brutus and Cassius" and he moves on immediately. I also tried to look for any mentions of the Ides of March together with the name of Caesar in a database of medieval Latin texts and they are rarely mentioned together, the same goes for classical texts with the exception of Cicero. From what I found it kind of seems like the hype around Ides of March was started by Shakespeare, but I could be wrong.
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My knowledge on the subject is nonexistent. Wiki claims that Julian calendar still used the system of Kalends, Nones and Ides, and that "The Julian calendar is still used as a religious calendar in parts of the Eastern Orthodox Church". If it's still used, I would've thought that it would have been known in Byzantium.
I thought the issue would have been whether they had any remembrance of Caesar, and that could have lead to a few pages of "it's not Rome" "yes it is"
Well I used the system of Kalends etc. for a few months when I was at high school even though I used Gregorian calendar; the Gregorian and Julian reform were mainly about the length of the year so I did not feel like I was doing something super unnatural. Julian calendar was used in Byzantium, but according to Wiki: "dates were seldom, if ever, reckoned according to the kalends (καλανδαί, kalandaí), nones (νωναί, nōnaí), and ides (εἰδοί, eidoí) of the months in the Roman manner, but simply numbered from the beginning of the month in the Greek, Syrian, and Egyptian manner". Καῖσαρ i. e. Caesar remained a honorary title in Byzantium, but they had so much of Roman history to remember with other arguably more epic events than the murder of Caesar (which were also more relatable as they were lived by Christians) that I don't think that they cared much about Ides of March specifically.My knowledge on the subject is nonexistent. Wiki claims that Julian calendar still used the system of Kalends, Nones and Ides, and that "The Julian calendar is still used as a religious calendar in parts of the Eastern Orthodox Church". If it's still used, I would've thought that it would have been known in Byzantium.
I thought the issue would have been whether they had any remembrance of Caesar, and that could have lead to a few pages of "it's not Rome" "yes it is"
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For example here on page 298 the late 6th century historian Euagrios describes how in the late 6th century a patriarch speaks to Byzantine soldiers about their Roman ancestors including Manlius Torquatus a hero from the republican era and I bet you almost no one here knows Manlius Torquatus, unless they are massive Romaboos.
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I for sure don't. Wiki lists 6 Manlius Torquatuses.
How much did 14th or 15th century Byzantines reminisce Rome from before the split to East and West Romes?
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He clearly means this one.
I don't know, from this period I only read texts that dealt with the present. I think people in the West tended to care about the events around Cicero, Caesar, Hannibal and other classical Rome stuff which is now famous in the West, because the texts that were used to teach Latin either come from that period of time or they talk about these events. For example take the Catilinian conspiracy, which would be a completely random event, that no one would probably remember if it happened like in the 3rd century, but Sallust, one of the greatest classics wrote a book about it and Cicero, the number one classic, wrote multiple speeches about it and kept ridiculously boasting about how he stopped it and saved the polity until the end of his life, so it is quite well known and it even became inspiration for the awful Megalopolis film today. But Byzantines wrote in Greek so they had other authors to study as examples of excellent style and those mainly cared about stuff happening in classical Greece, so for them the events that we consider as super important would not matter as much (because honestly many of them were not very important) and they would probably remember other people more, Constantine for sure, and maybe Justinian, Heraclius and so on.
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