Tinto Flavour #10 - 14th of March 2025 - Scotland

[SAmaster]

if we end up with these “zombie nations” that just hang around forever, the game could get messy instead of staying challenging. an underground resistance shouldn’t be so easy to bounce back after a loss. It needs to feel like a real comeback, not just a free pass.

it kinda misses my point. I mean, if you can just flip a civil war loss into an easy second shot, it really cheapens the whole struggle and campaign

I'm very sure it's going to be much harder to win a war after you've lost way more resources and faced off against a much weaker enemy.

 

[blabax]

I can't wait to unify the island, playing as England

 

[bokorthedust]

Also- another easter egg to throw in could be how Hogwarts is in Scotland. Like just have an event fire regarding people think witches and wizards are hanging out in one of the castle buildings in Scotland. You could tear it down to appease the peasants, or leave it up with a minor research bonus. If such meme events are allowed.

Umm, akshually, muggles can't really get near Hogwarts because there are spells repelling them, and even if they did, all they'd see are some nice ruins, so even as a meme event this wouldn't be very plausible.

Source: I am a wizard.

 

[matfer13]

I feel a bit bad for dissing other people's artwork, but does anybody else feel that all the character faces look kind of Monty Python-head-esque? They all have "dead eyes."

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They said that they blink in game, so they probably move around a bit like in ck3 and it looks like that because they take screenshots and like most people they are probably not very photogenic

 

[matfer13]

Any culture, or just cultures that make up over 50% of the stated population?

There are game rules, check the culture dev diary

 

[H.A.S.E.V.I.R.]

Adam Smith keeps on getting away with that unlawful ripoff of Anders Chydenius original work in granted low language power finnswrdish?

 

[RichZcukini]

Scotland's name changes to Alba if their Court Language or Primary Culture's language is Gaelic.

Will there be any in-game tool to track what influences conutry's name? In CK3 it was not very obvious why my country is called after my dynasty at first, until I saw at wiki that it's because of my religion.

 

[Fawr]

The standard we use for the game is the American spelling

Why isn't this localised? Surely you don't use American spelling for French players (using French words), so why are British players different?

 

[GDQuirm]

There are game rules, check the culture dev diary

The culture dev diary says,

You can swap your primary culture with an accepted culture if it fulfils the requirements, such as if it becomes the dominant culture in your country or if it is the culture of your ruler. There is also a game rule for it to be of the same Culture Group.

It does not say what the ‘requirements’ are, or that there are game rules that remove them, only that there are game rules that add more restrictions. “If it becomes dominant” implies that you can’t swap unless a culture is most of your country however, like in EU4. But in EU4 you can convert provinces of your primary culture to different cultures. So far, it’s been implied that you can only encourage ‘assimilation’ of unaccepted cultures, not conversion away from your primary.

And if you can’t convert your primary, and you need 50% to swap your primary, then do you have to sell your Scots provinces to get a Gaelic Scotland? Do you spend the game developing your Gaelic provinces to encourage population growth in the highlands, while avoiding population growth in the lowlands? That seems possible, albeit impractical, but the same can’t be said for most other minority cultures in countries with larger primary cultures. You can’t swap to Cornish as England, for instance, or spread Gothic after conquering Theodoro, unless I’m missing something here about the mechanics.

I’m not saying you have to be able to adopt or spread small cultures, but it was kind of fun to do in EU4. They seem more like speedbumps in EU5 that exist to be assimilated.

 

[FanFive]

Scotland Forever!

 

[Raspberries69]

Firstly thank you for giving Scotland great flavour, really appreciate the effort you & the team have put into it. As a Scot I have a few points I'd like to add if it'd be of use:

Language Critique:
-Use of "Scotch", may sound pedantic but its typically seen as a derogatory term even if used correctly as an adjective. It's viewed as a word created by non-Scots to class our goods differently, which we generally dislike, whilst I don't imagine anyone being too angry over it I'd raise it all the same

Military:
-Schiltron Units: if this has been covered disregard, but Schiltron units although starting to date by game beginning were still heavily employed e.g. Battle of Otterburn

Work of Art:
-Basilikon Doron: which we know already from EU4, but I think it would be a great flavour addition and add to the idea of Scotland's growing interest in spreading education & literacy pursuits
-Orygynale Cronykil of Scotland: This is just a nice piece of poetic history of Scotland, it doesn't really add much value to the game but its a good read!

Historical Writings:
-Treaty of Arbroath: An incredibly relevant document for the start of the game and the civil war, The Declaration made a number of points: that Edward I of England had unjustly attacked Scotland and perpetrated atrocities; that Robert the Bruce had delivered the Scottish nation from this peril; and, most controversially, that the independence of Scotland was the prerogative of the Scottish people, rather than the King of Scots.
-Rerum Scoticarum Historia: George Buchanan's final work and a very important piece of work to disregard the great English PR work on Scotland at the time that it was a barbaric place, whilst also removing embellished tales of Scotland from the people itself it provided a more critical and humanist approach to Scottish history which was shared across continental Europe. I feel it could give a boost to cultural impact or at least remove negative stigma
-De Jure Regni Apud Scotos: Another Buchanan piece of literature, this again further pushes the thought of personal freedom of the people to resist against tyranny and is a treatise on constitutional monarchy of Scotland as a whole. I read this in uni so I can't provide much in depth content (its been a while), but hopefully it can be a useful piece to push forward again the emerging thought of liberty within the country

Scientific:
John Napier’s Mirifici Logarithmorum Canonis Descriptio (1614) – The invention of logarithms and by extension Napier's bones, a device that simplified arithmetic.
Waulk Mills (1400s): Could provide a bonus to cloth or wool production, but due to the landscape in many areas waulk mills were established in the Lowlands emulating the traditional practice of women walking on the cloth (source below). Preston Mill is a surviving example of one of these mills
Edinburgh's Medical School (1590s): I'm not sure what to add here but its one of the oldest surviving in the world but was unique in combining mathematics, philosophy and practical medicine into teachings over classical teachings about medicine.

Monuments:
Linlithgow Palace (1500s): "It was a pleasure dome on the European model: vivid, pretty, colourful and compact around a courtyard tinkling with its gorgeous fountain." Although a ruin now, I think it deserves a spot over other monuments such as Edinburgh Castle
Scone Abbey (1100s): Famous for its place as the place of coronation for Scottish monarchs and hosting the stone of destiny


Some flavour for events you could source for the civil war (?):
-John Barbour's The Brus: Poetry

 

[Raspberries69]

Firstly thank you for giving Scotland great flavour, really appreciate the effort you & the team have put into it. As a Scot I have a few points I'd like to add if it'd be of use:

Language Critique:
-Use of "Scotch", may sound pedantic but its typically seen as a derogatory term even if used correctly as an adjective. It's viewed as a word created by non-Scots to class our goods differently, which we generally dislike, whilst I don't imagine anyone being too angry over it I'd raise it all the same

Military:
-Schiltron Units: if this has been covered disregard, but Schiltron units although starting to date by game beginning were still heavily employed e.g. Battle of Otterburn

Work of Art:
-Basilikon Doron: which we know already from EU4, but I think it would be a great flavour addition and add to the idea of Scotland's growing interest in spreading education & literacy pursuits
-Orygynale Cronykil of Scotland: This is just a nice piece of poetic history of Scotland, it doesn't really add much value to the game but its a good read!

Historical Writings:
-Treaty of Arbroath: An incredibly relevant document for the start of the game and the civil war, The Declaration made a number of points: that Edward I of England had unjustly attacked Scotland and perpetrated atrocities; that Robert the Bruce had delivered the Scottish nation from this peril; and, most controversially, that the independence of Scotland was the prerogative of the Scottish people, rather than the King of Scots.
-Rerum Scoticarum Historia: George Buchanan's final work and a very important piece of work to disregard the great English PR work on Scotland at the time that it was a barbaric place, whilst also removing embellished tales of Scotland from the people itself it provided a more critical and humanist approach to Scottish history which was shared across continental Europe. I feel it could give a boost to cultural impact or at least remove negative stigma
-De Jure Regni Apud Scotos: Another Buchanan piece of literature, this again further pushes the thought of personal freedom of the people to resist against tyranny and is a treatise on constitutional monarchy of Scotland as a whole. I read this in uni so I can't provide much in depth content (its been a while), but hopefully it can be a useful piece to push forward again the emerging thought of liberty within the country

Scientific:
John Napier’s Mirifici Logarithmorum Canonis Descriptio (1614) – The invention of logarithms and by extension Napier's bones, a device that simplified arithmetic.
Waulk Mills (1400s): Could provide a bonus to cloth or wool production, but due to the landscape in many areas waulk mills were established in the Lowlands emulating the traditional practice of women walking on the cloth (source below). Preston Mill is a surviving example of one of these mills
Edinburgh's Medical School (1590s): I'm not sure what to add here but its one of the oldest surviving in the world but was unique in combining mathematics, philosophy and practical medicine into teachings over classical teachings about medicine.

Monuments:
Linlithgow Palace (1500s): "It was a pleasure dome on the European model: vivid, pretty, colourful and compact around a courtyard tinkling with its gorgeous fountain." Although a ruin now, I think it deserves a spot over other monuments such as Edinburgh Castle
Scone Abbey (1100s): Famous for its place as the place of coronation for Scottish monarchs and hosting the stone of destiny


Some flavour for events you could source for the civil war (?):
-John Barbour's The Brus: Poetry

I did have a list of sources but it highlighted it as spam / inappropriate content

 

[Pls fix HRE]

Will the language/culture divide between scoottish and highlander play a role in the flavor?

 

[Katana500]

Some idea's for more unique units for Scotland

Age of Tradition

Gallowglass

From Norse Gael Culture

Heavily armored trained infantry. They were largely recruited from the West Coast of Scotland such as Argyll and the Western Isles. The Gallowglass were renowned for their mastery of weapons, particularly the two-handed sparth axe and the claymore. They were also armed with throwing weapons. They organised themselves into groups known as a corrughadh, which consisted of about 100 men and had a reputation for being an elite fighting force and for holding there ground.


Age of Discovery

Border Reivers

From Scots/Northumbrian (or alternatively English) Culture.

Highly mobile, light cavalry units skilled in swift raids, ambushes and skirmishes. They raided the Scottish-English border with no regard to their victims nationality.



Age of Reformation

A Scots Brigade unit recruitable by any major european states Scotland is friendly with.

During the late 1500's and 1600s, one of Scotland's biggest exports would be men. Scots engaged in foreign service with consent from their monarch and under warrants issued by the Privy Council but in armies commanded by their European allies. The Scots Brigade in the Dutch Republic lasted from 1586–1782. While thousands of Scots served in Swedish & Danish service before, during and after the 30 years war. Up to 50,000 Scots served in Europe during that war under warrants from there king. France of course had the most famous Scottish unit the Gardes Écossaises though I would argue it should be a unique unit for France earlier than the age of reformation. Numerous Scots also served in the armies of Russia and Poland-Lithuania

It could be interesting if during the Age of Reformation Scotland allies or major states could request Scottish participation allowing them to recruit a Scots Brigade special unit from Scottish manpower. It could also transfer them some scottish generals to represent the number of famous Scots who served in European armies during the period such as John Hepburn under France, Alexander Leslie under Sweden, or Donald Mackay under Denmark-Norway.

This unit could have a flavour name depending on the country.

Dutch Republic - Scots Brigade
Denmark - Scottish Brigade
Sweden - The Green Brigade

 

[king.kaiser7]

I'm actually warming up to the 2D/3D style of characters. Probably the best way to utilise characters in this game. Since well Characters don't need to be as detailed as CK3, and honestly Vic3 could've done better with this style too...

 

[Nikicaga]

No. There are simply too many cultures in Project Caesar for that to be feasible

Could you at least add the possibility for modders to do it? I can definitely imagine a lot of mods, especially major overhauls, using it

 

[Enkidou51]

Ironically, the King of Scotland is in exile in France while the King of England, of French origin, supports a pretender to the Scottish throne from... Bailleul in Picardy, a French duchy.

 

[Azgabeth]

Ironically, the King of Scotland is in exile in France while the King of England, of French origin, supports a pretender to the Scottish throne from... Bailleul in Picardy, a French duchy.

Well the best part is; Edward the 3rd had no interest in the french throne.

But because the King of Scotland was in France, he took Robert of Artois to the English court.

And because he took Robert of Artois to the English court the French king tried to confiscate Aquitaine…

Which is what caused the HYW.

 

[Kipsta]

Did you do something to how portraits are rendered? They feel a lot better here than earlier renders.

 

[keaswaran]

Would you still get it if you formed a country like Celtica that included Scotland? Or are things like that restricted to 'the historical formable of this country only'

It really seems to me that things like “Scottish enlightenment” and associated works of art should happen as long as there is a sizable city of primarily Scottish culture during the enlightenment, regardless of whether it is in Scotland, Great Britain, England, or some other weirder alt history.

I really don’t like so much of the flavor being locked behind particular countries, making alt-history runs much blander.