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Tinto Flavour #12 - 4th of April 2025 - Ilkhanate & Persia & Chagatai & Rise of Timur

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Fridays in which we take a look at the flavour content of the super secret Project Caesar!

Today will be an interesting day since we will be taking a look at the content we have for the Persian/Iranian region, including the Ilkhanate IO, and also at the content related to the Rise of Timur situation, which includes the flavour for the Chagatai Khanate.

Let’s start a bit differently today by first looking at the Īlkhānān, the in-game flavour name of the most commonly used Ilkhanate IO:

As usual, take all UI, 2D and 3D Art as WIP.

Ilkhanate Tooltip.png
All IOs have a quick-access button, a feature we call control groups, with their own icon (which, in the case of unique IOs, is unique, as you may see). This is the overview tooltip of the Ilkhanate.

Ilkhanate Panel.png

This is the Ilkhanate IO panel, where you can see its status, members, and possible actions.

Ilkhanate Map.png

And this is the starting situation of the Ilkhanate, with the three main contenders (Jalayirids, Hüleguids, and Gurgan) in blue, and all its members in green color.

The reign and death of Abu Sa'id Bahadur Khan, last Ilkhan of the Borjigin dynasty, led to a power vacuum in the Ilkhanate, with several contenders trying to claim the title of Ilkhan for themselves while also trying to restore the old order over the lands ruled by the Ilkhans.

We’re portraying this convoluted political situation through different mechanics.

In order to be able to restore the Ilkhanate in its full glory, you need to be one of the Claimants to the Īlkhānān, a ‘Special Status’ (a feature available for all IOs; more about this next week, in the HRE TT):
Ilkhanate Claimants1.png

Ilkhanate Claimants2.png

Ilkhanate Special Status.png

This is a good example of our lovely nested tooltips. The yellow texts are hoverable features, while the blue texts are game concepts. I took the screenshots in the same sequence, but you could go even deeper, and hover over the International Organization game concept, for a further explanation.

There is a way to become a Claimant to the Īlkhānān, through IO action Claim the Īlkhānān:
Ilkhanate Claim the Ilkhanan.png

By being Claimant to the Īlkhānān, you will get access to this special CB, which can be used against other members of the Ilkhanate, making it easier and more straight-forward to conquer them:
Ilkhanate CB Unify Ilkhanate.png

All members of the Ilkhanate also have access to this other CB, that in case of victory, allows to remove the Claimant to the Īlkhānān to the status from the objective country:
Ilkhanate CB Refuse False Claimant.png

If you end up being the only Claimant to the Īlkhānān, you will automatically become its leader (this is something that we want to change, so it becomes an action in the Main Actions panel, to make it more clear for the player). By becoming Leader of the Īlkhānān, you may be able to unify the IO into a proper country once again:
Ilkhanan Form Ilkhanan1.png

Ilkhanate Oldschool.png

There’s a broken tooltip there, which has already been reported as a bug; the second condition is that there aren’t any countries with the status Claimant to the Īlkhānān. You also need to control 75% of the locations owned by all the members of Ilkhanate IO in order to form the country; the IO will disappear the moment you form it, too.

On a different track, ff you are a Persian member of the Ilkhanate, you also have the opportunity to fight your way towards unifying the region in a completely different way, with this CB:
Ilkhanate CB Shed the Shackles.png

The Ilkhanate may cease to exist if:
  1. All its members are conquered by a country not a member of the IO.
  2. There aren’t a Leader or Claimants of the Ilkhanate.

These are the main contenders for the Ilkhanate at the start of the game:
Country Selection Jalayirids.png

Country Selection Huleguids.png

Country Selection Gurgan.png

The Persian/Iranian countries that are part of the Ilkhanate have their own flavour content available:

The lands of Persia have always been situated in a privileged position, serving as a point of contact between the West and the East and on the path of many trade routes. These lands have thus also served as a hub for exchange of ideas, cultures, and faiths, with Zoroastrianism, Islam, Christianity, and even Buddhism permeating among its population.

The Iranian peoples are thus world people, and Persia has also been the birthplace of many great empires in the past, from the Achaemenids to the Sasanians. The recent Mongolian invasion and the establishment of the Īlkhānān have imposed on them foreign rule, but the Iranian peoples are ready to rise once again.

For instance, you have advances like these:
Advance Sasanian Heritage.png

Advance Silk Road.png

There are in total 21 different advances for the Persian countries.

There are also special buildings like the Ṣafawiyya Order Hall and the Ḡilmān Barracks, and special units like the Kızılbaş Skirmisher and the Ḡilmān.

This is the formable for Persia, and how it would look like:
Persia.png

Persia2.png

Let’s now take a look at one of the main contenders in Central Asia, the Chagatai Horde:

The great Činggis Khān managed to forge a great empire for all Mongolian peoples, bringing into his fold great swathes of land from Europe to China. All people learned to fear the sound of the Mongolian armies galloping and the might and power of the Great Khān.

As heirs of his legacy, the dream of bringing back the glory of the greatest Mongolian Horde is still alive.

Country Selection Chagatai.png

Mongolian countries (which also include countries involved in the Ilkhanate IO, such as the Jalayirids or the Hüleguids) have a ton of content available, both for being Steppe Hordes, and also specific Mongolian content. We aren’t going to reveal today most of it, since this is already a meaty Tinto Flavour, and we still have to take a look in the future to the Golden Horde, which also has unique content; but this is an overview of it:
Government Type Content.png

These are some of the most relevant features for the early game:
Advance Steppe Slave Raiding.png

Reform Legacy of Cinggis Khan.png

Advance Horse Lords.png

Unit Horse Archers.png

Unit A Urughs.png

Let’s now take a look at the content for the Situation The Rise of Timur. It can happen to you if you start the game with Chagatai or any of its subjects. But if you start the game with Barlas, one of these subjects, you will find this lovely baby in your court:
Bay Timur1.png

Baby Timur2.png

Trait Prodigy.png

Apparently this baby might be a Prodigy!

There are some events about the childhood and adolescence of Temür, and if he gets to the adult age, this event will trigger:
Rise of Temur.png

This event can fire initially not only for Barlas, but for Chagatai or any of its subjects, firing then a follow-up information event for all the rest, in which the player will get the chance to choose to change into the Timurids country if there were not initially playing the chosen country and the Timurids is AI. This gives a bit of variation on the starting situation of Timur while also ensuring that the player can always follow the Timurid path if they are playing in the area.

Temür has several traits, but this is the most important:
The Scourge from Central Asia.png

The chosen country will change, becoming the Timurid Horde:
Timurid Horde.png

And the Situation itself will appear:
Rise of Temur Panel.png

The counters for enemies kills and cities razed are there just for flavour, they don’t have any mechanical purpose.

The End Requirements make the situation likely to last for the entire life of Temür:
Rise of Temur End Requirements.png


These are the requirements to form Mongolia, BTW:
Form Mongolia.png

The first of the actions, Plan Invasion, has this effect:
Plan Invasion.png

Plan Invasion2.png

Rise of Temur CB.png

If you are able to unify a region, the second action, ‘Select Core Region’, will appear:
Rise of Timur Select Core Region.png

Rise of Temur Select Core Region2.png

Rise of Temur Select Core Region3.png

After having selected a Core Region, a third action will unlock:
Rise of Temur Reform into Monarchy.png

Which, in case of being selected, will make you a Settled Country, with the Monarchy Government type, and the Rank of Empire. This might potentially be the result:
Timurid Empire.png

A successful Timurid Empire, across Central Asia and Persia!

There is more content and events triggering during the situation, but these are its core features. From here, there’s also more flavour content for the Timurids, related to the historical events and situation that happened to the Empire. This is probably the most important event for them:
Event Integration Iranians.png

Event Integration Iranians2.png

Which unlocks this Major Reform:
Timurid Diwan.png

The Governorship is a unique mechanic of the Timurids, that allows them to have a unique type of subject, for members of the ruling dynasty. This may have its cons, as there might several claimants to the Timurid throne…

…And much more, but that’s all for today! We hope you enjoyed it! Next week will be intense, since on Monday we will have the Tinto Maps Feedback for the Horn of Africa, on Wednesday we will have the Tinto Talks for the Holy Roman Empire, and on Friday we will have the Tinto Flavour for Saxony! Cheers!
 
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I'm sorry, but Timur definetly can't be Khorezmian. At least, he should be from a transoxiana culture, wich was the culture of the timurid empire. He should'nt be ouzbek too, ouzbek culture only appearing after the conquest of Transoxiana by the Chaybanid hord.
And Timur is not a Borgijin, and as you show it, beeing a Borgijin could be important in the game. He should start as Barlas, and then forming his new dynasty after conquering some land.

But I'm very excited about this content anyway, and I can't wait to play at it !
 
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Fertile crescent capital to join ilkhanate you say? Hmm Jerusalem kniggets?
Just need a genghisid wife from somewhere to then leave a kid in charge of the holy land. Got to switch country i guess to get it right.

Crusader state ilkhanate :D Enslave all the unbelievers!
 
I love how this system can function as a framework for the dynamic collapse and rebirth of empires throughout gameplay.

Imagine if during a game, a major power like China or a united Spain fragments due to rebellions or foreign interventions. This IO mechanic provides a ready-made system to simulate the path to reunification.

This system would need some adjustments to prevent fragmentations from persisting indefinitely. Adding time limits or escalating constraints could make reunification increasingly difficult over time. A 'legitimacy decay' mechanic where claims to the original empire gradually weaken unless actively maintained would reflect how historical claims lose potency across generations. Maybe the IO should have multiple potential fates, such as partial reformation, complete dissolution, or even permanent decentralization like the HRE.

It could also incorporate some kind of 'nostalgia' (for a lack of better word) modifier, where memories of imperial unity strengthen early reunification efforts but fade over time. This would create compelling dynamics where initial attempts at restoration enjoy more popular support than later ones, making regional diplomatic agreements or conquests easier, similar to how realm struggles function in CK3 but DYNAMIC.
It would really depend on how that empire blows up. But its good modding potential

If the ottoman empire blew up and spits out realms ruled by locals who were tired of being ruled by invaders. They probably wouldn't dream of an empire rising up to replace it.
If the ottoman empire blew up and spits out realms that are ruled by ottoman nobility (or just Turkish nobility in general). All of them would likely join some sort of Ottoman empire shaped IO with the hopes of unifying their former realm. Maybe states whose primary culture were accepted in the former empire would join the IO as well as they were part of the ruling class and enjoyed its benefits.

Then maybe after a couple hundred years, if the balance of power stays dead locked with no one able to unify, the idea of the former empire essentially dies and the IO is destroyed.

(Modders please make it happen)
 
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@Pavía is the decision to have Georgia in the Ilkhanate final? As we've proven in past posts, Georgia had left the empire by 1337 (no longer sent armies to help the emperor since 1325, paid taxes since 1330).

Thank you.
I'm so confused right now.

What does he mean by this:

"No, as we haven't yet reviewed the feedback from the Tinto Maps Feedback for Persia. ;)"

They posted the feedback before this tinto talks didn't they?
 
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I'm so confused right now.

What does he mean by this:

"No, as we haven't yet reviewed the feedback from the Tinto Maps Feedback for Persia. ;)"

They posted the feedback before this tinto talks didn't they?
As far as I can tell, the feedback on the original post was only received incrementally, hence our latter proposals not making it to the feedback thread (natural harbours, raw goods, partly political map, etc.)

Either way, the devs have access to the information, and are free to use it to model the region further.
 
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According to his claims, he was descendent of a common ancestor of the Borgijin dynasty. But we could create an event so when Temür becomes a ruler, the Gurkahni dynasty could be created from him.
iirc he didnt claim that but he did claim he was the succesor state to Genghis Khan because he married a Borgijin princesess so his children were decendents
 
@Pavía a sudden idea, but what about making the Mongol Empire (and also China) tier 5 formables like Europa is? The Mongol Empire would certainly deserve it, as even its rump states were massive empires
 
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Cant wait to see OP modifier crap for Ottoman Empire if Timurid Empire government bonuses after death of Timur are these lol
 
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Actually, we're simulating this dynamically. On the one hand, you can elevate your country to Empire rank, using the country rank feature. On the other hand, we have a disaster called 'Decline of Empire', used to simulate the instability and decline of historical empires under certain conditions; the illustration of the last Tinto Talks was the illustration of this disaster.
Can this be something that will actually fuck up AI blobs? Like them fragmenting in random dynamic states?
 
I'm so confused right now.

What does he mean by this:

"No, as we haven't yet reviewed the feedback from the Tinto Maps Feedback for Persia. ;)"

They posted the feedback before this tinto talks didn't they?
They haven’t yet reviewed the feedback from the feedback thread.
 
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Any chance that you'll have Timur have his iconic crown-hat piece? The one that you have on his situation's background art and in its icon?