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Tinto Talks #62 - 7th of May 2025

Hello everyone and welcome to another Happy Wednesday! Today we will show off some more things related to our very super secret game Project Caesar.

Lets do a quick start as the Teutonic Order, as they currently start at war, and I want to go through a bit how a battle works in detail. Background information about the country can be found in the latest Tinto Flavor about the Orders at https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...5-25th-of-april-2025-military-orders.1737515/


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Our tax base is low, even if we have a decently sized population.


But how is that population then?

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Fairly diverse eh?

While over 70% are Catholics, only 26% belong to our Prussian culture, so we can not raise a large amount of levies. And considering I have nine different provinces, it would take centuries to make them all Prussian.


However, I also have other problems, in that I don’t have great control over most of my country, and Masuria in the southeast is particularly low.

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Roads are too expensive during a war, but soon...

So my early decision is to try to promote the Prussian culture in our capital, and increase control in Masuria.

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It seems all my leaders have a nice platemail uniform!


So let's take a look at this war then, how should we handle it? We have about 100 regulars and about 3.8k levies, and while we have a numerical superiority on our side, Poland and their allies have a rather large army as well.

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This is the war mapmode, and you can see our armies in green, allied in blue, and what is not hidden by fog of war, the enemy armies in red.


Ideally, as we have a nice amount of manpower from all of our Order Commanderies in Europe, I’d like to raise some more regulars. Luckily, we earn some money from the trade in our cities, even though our tax base is so weak.

I give the order recruit two more Crusader Knights, at 100 men each in Marienburg, and while I gather my levies and regulars in Osterode, I notice that the army of one of the Polish vassals, the County of Sieradz, have moved across the border and started sieging our Castle in Thorn.


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The red/green bars under the section numbers of regiments and men indicates how much frontage is filled.

While my morale is a bit low after marching across my lands, I have just appointed a new general with some great stats, and decided to adjust my army to maximise my chances in the battle.

I put my 192 men strong noble levy cavalry on the right flank together with 1,000 feudal levies. The center gets 2,000 feudal levies, but my left flank has my 2 armored horsemen, and the remaining 524 feudal levies. I have high hopes that they will engage quickly and shatter the opposition flank. There are some tribesmen, footmen and clergy levies in the reserves, but I don’t expect much of them. My commander still needs 10 more days to give an effective bonus to the army, which I really want, as his 84 diplomacy is another +16.8% of morale.

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Yes, the 15 tribesmen will be useful…

I finally give the orders to march to my army, and a few days later, we reach Thorn.

They have a slight edge in morale, as their commander has an even higher diplomacy than ours. Their military tactics are 1.18 compared to our 1.09, due to a stronger noble estate and privileges granted in exchange for that. We do have the edge in discipline though, at 13.10% vs 2.37%, for which we thank the Crusader Discipline advance and the Military Orders estate privilege for the Clergy…

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White numbers at the top of the sections are currently engaged men, while the grey at the bottom is men still not fighting.

At the first hour, our plan to use cavalry on the flanks paid off, as they with the slightly higher initiative got lucky and engaged immediately. As there is no enemy engaged, they’ll do morale damage to the entire opposite section.

A few hours later..

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Green numbers on brown at the top there is WiP

Our left flank is not engaging fast enough and our 50 armored horsemen are getting destroyed by the enemy levies, and they are way too outnumbered to rout 1000 levies. In the center the enemy have their mailed knights engaged, so this should now be interesting.


Lets check the tooltip for our Cavalry. 19 men remained, but they killed 42 enemies last hour, while losing 12 of their own. We had hoped that the rest of the cavalry had engaged at the same time.

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Yeah, need to show as multiplicative numbers, not as +percentage.




The mailed knight levies in the center shatter on our feudal levies, while our horsemen are destroyed. Luckily they bought enough time for the rest of that flank to engage.

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You can also tooltip a battle-widget on the map and see morale and how many are fighting..

Quite a few hours later, fighting is still going on, and most regiments have engaged, while some of our reserves have joined our weakened flanks. We also have better dice rolls, so now it looks really good.

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This battle is now won, and it's just a matter of time until the enemy collapses and flees.

Next week, Pavia is back and will be talking about some more religions: Hinduism, Jainism and Sikhism. Tomorrow though, is the big day!


Don't forget to join us for the stream at May 8th, 6PM CEST / 9AM PDT at https://pdxint.at/CaesarAnnouncement !!
 

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Is it not a tad odd to have an at that point still living culture called “old” and thinking about possibilities what if “old Prussian” had a rebellion and a few centuries later had out populated the Prussians that would make an even weirder situation, while I do think you complaints on the name Pruthenian are reasonable I don’t think old Prussian is a good alternative, maybe if it was already dead and only for like historical characters like old Saxon in CK3 but for a culture still living it just feels weird, so ultimately to me Pruthenian feels like the least of two evils
The whole reason for this debate is because of stupid limitations of the English language. Both people, the baltic prussians and the germanic prussians can technically both be referred to as prussian, AND THERE IS NO OTHER CORRECT NAME FOR THEM. I just think that is utterly wrong to steal the name of an entire language group worth of people and then use some other, awkward, 3 times translated word to then refer to them.

P.S. sorry, I am just a bit mad at this
 
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better with this than "prussian" and "old prussian"
They are still both prussians, it just feels wrong to steal the name of one group of people and then give them some awkward translation in its place.
In this time period the baltic people inhabiting prussia were very much referred to as prussians, even by the invading germans themselves.
 
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I'm Polish and the fact that this war exist and even If it already exists, It is made in completely ahistorical way possible lol. Lithuania stopped being a Polish ally even before current king's of Poland father's death. Bohemia was at war with Poland only in 1331 as part of 1 sortie to take Poznan. Remaining independent silesian dukes were allies to Poland particulary Bolko's II stubborn stance at the siege bought time for Poland to deal with Teutonic Order at battle of Płowce 1331 before they could link up with bohemians. To my knowledge also Livonian order wasn't involved.

Casimir's III the Great first action after ascending on the throne was to prolong the truce between Poland & TO because it was due to expire within 3 months.

Also I want to remind you about the bordergore that is Duchy of Inowrocław which shouldn't exist. Check here the link to my comment to know why.

Would be cool for a western studio to get the Polish history right at least this time.
 
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I think you said earlier into the tinto talks that there was a "plain" mapmode to showcase the information better, but is there a mode where we get to see a sprite of a little man marching like in eu4? It may be clearer to spot where units are or what is being seiged instead of that number in a rectangle, but it just may be something to get used to.
 
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Didn't you mention that to make a core on province it would take up around 50 years? Teutonic Order conquered (illegally) Gdansk's Pomeralia in 1308, so the controll over Pomorze Gdanskie/ Pomerelia should be much, much lower.

Also, Masuria didn't exist back then. Then these lands were known as Galindia
 
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If they are buttons, I'd suggest switching to a drag-and-drop approach to change positions, and removing the buttons altogether.
Drag and drop is a problem for players with limited mobility.
It would be nice to add it, but not to replace the buttons, they should stay (although I dearly hope they'll look better, this looks like Windoxs XP)
 
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They are still both prussians, it just feels wrong to steal the name of one group of people and then give them some awkward translation in its place.
In this time period the baltic people inhabiting prussia were very much referred to as prussians, even by the invading germans themselves.
Although I too prefer pruthenian to "old prussian" (simply because I would want to play as baltic prussians, and it would be weird if I completely assimilated the germans into my culture, but I'm still called "old" prussian), I agree it feels wrong to take the name of "prussian" from the actual first "prussians"

But making them "baltic" and "german" prussian wouldn't sound too good either.

Another option would be to have 3 cultures, low prussian and high prussian (german prussian cultures, there were two german dialects spoken in prussia, so it might make sense to split them), and just normal "prussian", which would represent the baltic prussians. But that might be too confusing to explain (low and high prussian are related, but neither to "prussian").

I don't think they will change it unless there's a good alternative, and I don't think "old prussian" is the answer either.
 
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One more thing:

County of Sieradz should be Duchy of Sieradz, and in fact no country of any Polish culture should be a county, they were all duchies, even when tiny.
Unless general rules of the game demand the smallest countries to be ranked as counties.
But the title of a count is foreign to Poland (if you see a Polish family with a title of a count - that title was bought in HRE or granted after partitions).
 
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the County of Sieradz
Why county? It was a duchy ruled by a duke from Piast dynasty not some local baron. The Duke of Sieradz moved to this duchy in 1327 after he exchanged his former Duchy of Dobrzyn in Kuyavia/Kujawy region to Polish crown.
 
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As many people have asked many times, Teutonic Order and Poland should not start at war

We know. Its also trivial to fix. however, it also is a great testcase for military issues for now, saving dozens of hours each week.
 
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