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Tinto Maps #6 Great Britain & Ireland Feedback

9 September 2024 12 May 2025​


What an exciting week we have had, and best of all I finally get to say the name Europa Universalis V. It still feels weird in my mouth after carefully saying Caesar for what feels like a lifetime.

But lo, the day is finally come for the British Isles feedback thread. This short update was supposed to come out a few months ago, but I just had to teach some of you a lesson. Also I had a lot of other things on, like appearing in the announcement show last week.


Here we see the updated topography:

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The updated vegetation:
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Many impassable barriers have been added, for example the various peaks of the Pennines and the Wicklow Mountains. The Shannon also now poses a more significant barrier between east and west Ireland, with only a few crossing points often guarded by stockades.


Here we have the Locations map, bear in mind they are only showing the default English names but many places have Gaelic or Brythonic versions.

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Every country has had a general increase in density.

England, in particular the south, has had a big revamp at Location and Province level to more accurately reflect the historical counties, many of them pre-Norman in origin and many of them still in use today in some form. Westminster as a capital has been killed and rolled into a monolithic London.




Provinces:
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Areas:

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And political mapmode (with overlord colouring off):
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And Dynasties:
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We have added the Earldom of Orkney in the northern isles as a Norwegian vassal. Meanwhile the Palatinate of Durham and Chester have both been promoted from a special set of buildings to vassals under England. Wales has also been limited strictly to the Principality of Wales, with the marcher lords existing as very low control locations under England.

Ireland has had a major rework in terms of locations and tags. Mostly there have been minor Irish chieftaincies added. As always we are grateful to the many suggestions that have come from the forumers.



Culture:
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The most obvious culture change is that English has had Northumbrian split off, to represent the divide between southern and northern dialects and attitudes. A practical example of this is how in the south the English are more friendly to Normans, whereas the Northumbrians hate them (the northern shires still bear the scars of the Harrying of the North). Northumbrians and Scots also spoke a similar form of English in this period, so it helps to set them up as a sort of middleman.

Norwegians in northern Scotland and the nearby North Atlantic have also been split into Norn.


As a bonus, Court Language, showing 3 main worlds: Gaelic, Anglo-French, and Roman Catholic Bishoprics.

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There have also been some changes to Raw Goods, as you can see here:

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We still have time to make some changes, so let us know what we can do to push this even further towards where it needs to be.

I won’t show Population numbers right now, as it’s pending a proper rework. Among other things, the idea is to reduce the population numbers in England.
 
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Will we be able to merge the various Anglo cultures into one British culture like was shown off for the Russians, maybe not completely accurate to have the Scots, Anglo-Irish, Southerners and Northerners combined together but feels useful for game play purposes.

Also will Scots have an equivalent to Anglo-Irish to represent their Colonization efforts?

edit. feels weird to have have Northumbrians and English as 2 different cultures, wouldn't it make more sense to also rename Southern English to another name, though I suppose there isn't a great one other than Southerner
 
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Is this the welsh word for hills? :p

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Welsh is a truly silly language
 
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@SaintDaveUK now that the 3D terrain can be shown, can you post screenshots of the 3D map of the Isles aswell?
 
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Thank you for returning Dorset's appendage (Portland). I still think the bottom location should be Dorchester or Weymouth as they are only 7 miles apart (take your pick they are both historically relevant for different reasons although Dorchester is of Roman origins) and the west location currently named Dorchester is nowhere near Dorchester and could be Lyme or Bridport (Bridport was a historical market town).
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Poole should stay as it is though as it became much more important after Norman conquest.

Also, could we see a current version of natural harbours please :)
 
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Is there something representing the Cinque Ports? Could they be an extraterritorial country similar to the Hanseatic League?
Also what about the City of London's "ancient liberties"?
Cinque Ports are a special building that starts in some southeastern port locations and there;s some additional content surrounding them. The City of London also has a special building to represent the ancient liberties of the guilds.
 
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Imo the Isle of Skye should be mountains. They have some really difficult mountains to get up (the hardest in Scotland imo) and it feels weird to have them be the same as the rest of the isles/lowland uplands
 
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Nice, and congrats of course! I have two comments:

Shouldn't two or three of the wheat in England be replaced with sturdy grains? In the previous thread, I posted some statistics for crops by sown area:
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While wheat was the predominant grain for human consumption, it wasn't everything.

I won’t show Population numbers right now, as it’s pending a proper rework. Among other things, the idea is to reduce the population numbers in England.
Sounds good! My suggestion for it would be to use the numbers in this post as a base to determine distribution, but scale the total number from 4.75m to 4.25m. England's population in 1337 was lower than in 1290: the great famines of the 1310s killed at least 10% of the population and English agriculture at this time just wasn't able to support such a large population.
 
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Hi SaintDaveUk Thank you so much for the long awaited feedback.

I think mostly its a really good job for Ireland. Two Gripes I still have that there is only 4 Farmlands locations on the whole Island of Ireland? Seems a tad low IMO.

And again with "Irish" culture. Especially what was shown in youtuber demo videos, Ríocht of Éire can be formed and the Kingdom of Ireland as well. This is so Jarring having "Irish" culture. This really should be called Gaelic I can link my post here. The long and short of it being

1. Its what the Native People of Ireland called themselves
2. The Anglo-Norman Lords called themselves Irish as they integrated into Gaelic Society. If you have that distinction why not properly describe it as such?
3. Other indigenous peoples such as the Iroquois as known in common parlance have their Native name used as shown in teaser map posts
4. Other Gaelic cultures like Norse-Gael are used why cant we accurately describe the people Gaels in Ireland as such
5. Highland should be renamed to Highland-Gael so we can see that all three cultures are deeply connected to each other

Thank you for addressing the feedback and the flavour that you have personally worked on for Ireland it's genuinely amazing, but, this is still a bone of contention for me. Is there a reason why this was ignored?
 
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Really disappointed that Welsh marcher lords and Scottish highland earls don't have their own tags. They had significant independence and fought well known feuds amongst themselves.

Also, the Isles still holds Arran in 1337, which they should not hold for decades yet.
 
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