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Tinto Flavour #17 - 13th of May 2025 - Vijayanagar & Indian regional content

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Fridays Tuesdays & Fridays in which we take a look at the content of Europa Universalis V!

Today we will talk about three topics: the generic content available for most of the countries in India; the unique content of Vijyanagar; and other regional content available for other Indian countries. A meaty TF, so let’s start without further ado!

Let’s start by talking about the generic content available for Indian countries. There are some reforms, policies, and units that are available to most countries, like these:

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The Paik System unlocks three types of levies, depending on the age:

Early Paik.jpg

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There are also Elephant units:
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And a building that produces Ivory from Elephants - For those of you not so tuned into the Tinto Maps series, we’re representing African elephants with the Ivory resource, and the Indian elephants with the Elephants resource, so it can be used for units (as Elephants), or for other economic purposes, by transforming it first into Ivory with this building:
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Advances like:
Saqiyah.jpg

And a unique type of vassalage - The Samanta System, with 3 different subject types:
Samanta Feudalism.jpg

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Maha-Samanta.jpg

Pradana-Maha-Samanta.jpg

Finally, let’s take a look at the flavour naming of the states in the Hindu Indian countries:
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Let’s now take a look at the unique flavour content of Vijayanagar, a country that in 1337 was leading the resistance against the Sultanate of Delhi in Southern India:

The newly founded Mahārājya of Vijayanagar stands strong after the momentous defeat of Delhian troops in the Deccan, with Mahārājā Harihara Sangama and his brother Crown Prince Bukka Raya Sangama leading the fight against the Muslim rulers of India.

Although the Vijayanagari rule has only recently been established, the current situation in the Deccan promises us a rapid rise to power if we can utilize our momentum correctly, as we can secure control over important trade routes between China and Europe, and profit from exporting valuable goods from our resource-rich lands.


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Vijayanagar has a unique policy for the Administrative System law:
Vij Rajya.jpg

It also has unique advances, as usual:
Vij City of Victory.jpg

Vij Bunds.jpg

Vij Bund.jpg

Vij Carnatic Music.jpg

And it also has several flavour events, such as:
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Arirayavibhada.jpg


Administration of the Realm.jpg

Multilingual Court.jpg


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Another country with unique content is Orissa, which has a very interesting setup, with some countries as Samanta subjects:
Ori Country Selection.jpg

Orissa1.jpg


Ori Anka Year.jpg

Ori Elephants.jpg

Ori Elephants 2.jpg

Ori Odia.jpg

We also have unique content for countries such as Bengal, Bahmani, and Pandua. For example, in the first case, it starts as three independent countries, which in the case of unifying the region and forming the Sultanate of Bengal:
Bengal.jpg

Would get contents and events such as:
Pandua.jpg

Finally, we also have a bunch of content for other formable countries, that will work as ‘regional powers’ with unique content such as advances, etc. This is a list of these formables:
  • Deccan
  • Gujarat
  • Hindustan
  • Marathas
  • Mughals
  • Nepal
  • Punjab
  • Rajputana

…But since this Tinto Flavour is already long enough, you’ll have to find out about it when playing our game, as that’s all for today!

Remember that tomorrow there will be a Tinto Talks about Hinduism, Jainism & Sikhism; on Friday a Tinto Flavour about Delhi; and next Monday we will have the Tinto Maps Feedback for India. Cheers!
 
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Oh this is meatyyyy....

1) Are there any events, flavour or situation which will allow the 3 Bengali warring states to unite the region or does it have to happen organically? Does the Ilyas Shahi dynasty of Saptagram get any benefits while trying to form Bengal?

2) How do the Samantas get upgraded to Maha-samantas, and what would incentivise an AI country to keep samantas around and not have them integrated as quickly as possible into a maha-samanta? Do the Muslim states get access to the samanta vassalage system as well?

3) ABSOLUTELY NO FLAVOUR for the integration of Hoysala lands by the Vijayanagar Kingdom upon the death of the former's king?
 
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Mapping the estates to the castes is also an iffy thing, because:
a. The caste system was so insanely different everywhere. Bengal, for example, didn't follow the "four-fold system", technically there were only Brahmins (Brahmins, duh) and Shudras, both Sat Shudras (Kayasthas etc) and Asat Shudras (Ahem)
b. All nobles were not necessary Kshatriyas, and so on.

Just make them local equivalents no? I suppose Brahmins is fine enough, though.
We discussed about how to handle the caste system when creating the Indian content, and taking into account that Medieval India is extremely complex, we decided to just keep it simple, and attach them to the flavour estate naming. But we're open to tweaks, because we want to favor immersion with that feature, so feel free to make suggestion about which the most immersive names per country religion/area would be. This is how it looks like in an Indian Islamic country as Delhi, BTW:
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PS: This is not only unique to India, we have similar problems in other regions with those societal groups that do not fit entirely into one of our pop or estate categories. But, again, we need to try to make as gameplay-consistent and flavour-immersive as possible, at the same time, which is not always easy.
 
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Its interesting to note that the nayankara system wasn't introduced into Vijayanagara's Tamil holdings until after the Valangai-Idangai Revolt (which I hope you guys have content for).

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Also, most of the post-Kakatiya Telugu states should probably have the Nayankara system as well.
 
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Why? Delhi and the Mughals are different historical tags, it would be like saying that Ottomans and Mamluks are the same tag. And Hindustan is a historically plausible, so also a different thing.
The Mughals did refer to their country as Hindustan, so I think the difference between those two tags is a little fuzzy. I suppose it could be a situation where you can have a “Mughal Empire of Hindustan” the same way there is the “Mamluk Sultanate of Egypt” seeing as there’s also a difference between Mamluks and Egypt as tags.
 
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The Mughals did refer to their country as Hindustan, so I think the difference between those two tags is a little fuzzy. I suppose it could be a situation where you can have a “Mughal Empire of Hindustan” the same way there is the “Mamluk Sultanate of Egypt” seeing as there’s also a difference between Mamluks and Egypt as tags.
There is (or was, actually) also, coincidentally, a Mamluk Sultananate of India too. :p
 
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Can you show me the different flavors of Nepal ? Also, please refer to Nepal as an Ādhirājya of Nepal? Historically, Nepal was referred as such after its unification.

I'm curious why the term Mahārājya is used instead of just Rājya. Is Mahārājya meant to indicate a kingdom-level realm, while Rājya is more like a duchy or smaller principality?
 
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Is the Sāqiyah-advance also abailable to Persian tags? That would be great
It's available to countries with capital in Iberia, North Africa, Middle East, Western and Eastern Khorasan, and India.
 
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We discussed about how to handle the caste system when creating the Indian content, and taking into account that Medieval India is extremely complex, we decided to just keep it simple, and attach them to the flavour estate naming. But we're open to tweaks, because we want to favor immersion with that feature, so feel free to make suggestion about which the most immersive names per country religion/area would be. This is how it looks like in an Indian Islamic country as Delhi, BTW:
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PS: This is not only unique to India, we have similar problems in other regions with those societal groups that do not fit entirely into one of our pop or estate categories. But, again, we need to try to make as gameplay-consistent and flavour-immersive as possible, at the same time, which is not always easy.

What is the gold coin button you have added next to the + one to add privileges? I swear that wasn't there before in the build the YouTubers played! :O
 
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Also, the Eastern Ganga Kings referred to their Kingdom as "Trikalinga" rather than "Odisha". I feel like most players are familiar with "Kalinga" as a term, so it shouldn't shock non-Indian players too much if you change it to that.
 
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Hindustan might be the north India tag (more appropriate than an all India tag) while Bharat would be the all India one.
Hindustan is the Islamic-unified Indian tag, while Bharat is the Dharmic-unified Indian tag.
 
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Hindustan is the Islamic-unified Indian tag, while Bharat is the Dharmic-unified Indian tag.
Bharatvarsha is the historically and Dharmic term for a unified Indian subcontinent. Used in ancient texts like the Mahabharata and Puranas, it refers to the entire subcontinent, including India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka. Unlike Bharat, which is confused with modern India, Bharatvarsha embodies the Dharmic unity of the region, reflecting its cultural and spiritual heritage rooted in Dharma. This makes Bharatvarsha the most fitting term for a unified Dharmic subcontinent.
 
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Bharatvarsha is the historically and Dharmic term for a unified Indian subcontinent. Used in ancient texts like the Mahabharata and Puranas, it refers to the entire subcontinent, including India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka. Unlike Bharat, which is confused with modern India, Bharatvarsha embodies the Dharmic unity of the region, reflecting its cultural and spiritual heritage rooted in Dharma. This makes Bharatvarsha the most fitting term for a unified Dharmic subcontinent.
Bharatvarsha means the land of Bharat, though
 
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Do you guys plan on standardizing the names of countries in the region? Seeing Vijayanagar and Delhi (name of their capital city), and Hoysala (name of their dynasty) next to each other is strange. I'd suggest replacing all dynasty names with place names. For the Hoysalas, the "Kingdom of Karnata" would be a better fit for example, and that would also be more immersive.
 
Bharatvarsha means the land of Bharat, though
You're right that Bharatvarsha translates to "the land of Bharat." It would make more sense and create a clear distinction if, hypothetically, there were a unified Dharmic country. In similar context, Pakistan means the "Land of Paks" Bangladesh as the "Country of Bangals" .

Edit:This is me assuming there was never a unified Indian subcontinent named "Bharat" .If there was then surely it should be simply Bharat.
 
Why? Delhi and the Mughals are different historical tags, it would be like saying that Ottomans and Mamluks are the same tag. And Hindustan is a historically plausible, so also a different thing.
Because the Mughals called themselves Hindustan, which is a word of Persian origin which was also used by the Delhi elite to refer as their domains in northern India, in other words Hindustan is the name for a "Persianized" elite ruling over a muslim India which can apply for all three countries even if they may not be related, that said I can undrstand Delhi and the Mughals being separated, but Hindustan as a separate tag is just weird because it's just the Mughals
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Will the Hyosala have anything for their sacrifical Garuda warriors? while you said that the flavor is focused on Vijayangar as they did win the conflict. The Garuda warriors of the Hyosala are cool. Where there seems to have been a tradition of them comitting suicide when the lord they served died. plus they are mentioned in CK3(though given to all Kanada culture instead of just the Hyosalas)

A minor advancement or unique unit or something for the age of traditions would be neat to reference them and give them a tiny bit of flavor.
 
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Pakistan actually comes from Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh and Baluchistan. And Bangladesh is also called Banga, so it's not a hard and fast rule that it must have varsha added.
Yes, there's no hard and fast rule. My suggestion is to differentiate it from modern India (Bharat) by showing that the name Bharatvarsha makes sense in a unified Dharmic context. Since this is a hypothetical scenario, there's no strict requirement for it to be named "Bharat" either. The goal is to create a meaningful and immersive name that fits the historical and cultural narrative.

P.S :Bharat itself was inspired name from bharatvarsha ( king bharat).
 
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