I do agree that the tooltip promotes the idea that the ERE is the 'wrong name'
It is unnecessary and easily could have been left out
It is unnecessary and easily could have been left out
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I think it should be Empire of the Romans unless you play as them. If you play as them the country name becomes “Greek Pretender State” and there should be no way to mod this out.
This should please everyone and lead to no outrage at all
This should please everyone and lead to no outrage at all
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100% i see no issue with this solution, simply cannot be argued against, IT CANNOT!!
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The best part is this is the schizo thread so there is no way to know our true opinion on the Greek Pretenders
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They should obviously be called the Palailogan Empire, or the Palaloilogans, to imitate their successor state the Ottomans!
(I am certain I butchered the name, but I will not double check)
(I am certain I butchered the name, but I will not double check)
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In serious though I do agree with the second part, whilst the Byzantines are undisputably Roman they are also indispensably distinct from the earlier Romans, and as such calling them a different (if erroneous) name is useful
Especially in game terms because because otherwise what do you call the revolter tag for Rome itself if not Rome (and my schizo opinion is it should just be the Roman empire tag as the revolter tag for the ultimate hard game)
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what cant u believe?
oh i see what u did, im downloading the game now so excited for my first Roman Empire game
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Calling them a different name is arbitrary and confusing rather than useful. It leads people (and was invented) to think they were not Romans. As to distinction from earlier Romans, why not stop calling it Rome when it converted to Christianity? That was very distinct. Or when the capital moved to Milan? If it is about language, why do we call Hellenic/Kemetic/Aramaic etc speakers Romans before 476?
Like the timeline is (Pagan, Hellenic language, self-ID Roman) = (Roman), (Christian, Hellenic language, self-ID Roman before 476) = (Roman), (Christian, Hellenic language, self-ID Roman after 476) = (Byzantine). What changed so much from 475 to 477, the temporary loss of a city that hadn't been the capital in decades?
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Pavía was so real for this. I am having a blast playing EU5 right now. Thank you Pavía. Byzantium is really fun to play!
Anyway, back to it!
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Is there an obvious point when it changes? No, but as you yourself have just said there are clear differences between the different points. Is it just as accurate to say the late Roman empire, the Greco-Roman Empire? Yes
But names are not logical things and Byzantium is a nice name that means a reasonably specific thing. And in regards to what the Romans themselves referred to themselves, it's important but not the most important thing. The game uses the modern English name style for basically every other state in game, the Romans already get the exception.
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If I call it the ERE then I pass up on some easy trolling, and why would I do that?
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I’ve had this one cooking in the “572 years ago” thread, but idk if I could survive that many disagrees
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Man with all this arguing about the name of the Roman cosplayers I think it'll be a great idea for every patch to introduce increasingly nonsensical names for Byzantium.
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I did really enjoy to read this thread. It was full of important questions and information, full of hope and craziness. What happend here? What happend to you, to us all? Is this a revenge of the fallen Romans?
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i think calling byzantium macedonia would be funny
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