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Tinto Flavour #30 - 4th of July 2025 - France

Hello, and welcome one more Friday to Tinto Flavour, the happy days in which we take a look at the flavour content of Europa Universalis V!

Today, we will take a look at France! Let’s start without further ado:

The death of King Charles IV without a male heir in 1328 marked the end of Capet rule over the Kingdom of France, resulting in the coronation of King Philippe VI de Valois, a relative from a former cadet branch of the dynasty. However, it has been contested by King Edward III Plantagenet of England, on the pretext that while the Salic Law of France forbids the passing of the throne to a female successor, it does not forbid the inheritance through a female line. As the son of Dame Isabelle ‘the She-Wolf’ Capet, the last living sibling of King Charles IV, King Edward III might claim the throne of France as his birthright.

The tension over both countries has worsened over the past years, as our hospitality of the exiled young ruler of the Scots, King David II de Bruce, has enraged the English court, whose Balliol puppet seeks to seize that crown. As a response, King Edward III has also recently granted refuge to Sire Robert d’Artois, who escaped calls to face trial in Paris for his attempts to seize the County of Artois. There are rumors that Sire Robert is even encouraging the disgruntled King Edward III to press his claim to the throne of France militarily.

Should relations continue to deteriorate towards a boiling point, King Philippe VI may require the support of his subjects, although more than one ambitious Appanage hailing from the old royal line may seize on the opportunity to demand greater privileges, proving a greater threat to the stability of the crown than any invading claimant. The upcoming years will be consequential for the future of France, having to face the external English menace and the proud French lords at once. Will the country fall to the fake pretenders, or emerge as the main power in Europe?
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A cool new feature of EU5: We have a ‘fixed DNA’ system, so certain important historical characters have their faces pre-scripted to look as close as possible to their historical portraits. We have already implemented this for important starting historical rulers, such as Philippe VI of France, and other important characters that can appear via event, e.g. Martin Luther.
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As usual, please consider all UI, 2D and 3D Art as WIP.

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France is already the biggest country in Europe in 1337, so I’ve opted to share with you 3 zoom levels today. In the second one, you can see how the forts look like at this moment.​

The diplomacy of France is quite interesting at start:
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Some of the subjects are regular vassals, while others are a unique subject type, Appanages:
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As its the starting situation of its government:
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The French Nobility is a bit powerful, isn’t it?​

These are the starting unique reforms and privileges of France:
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Its flavour-named Parliament, the États Généraux:
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A bunch of unique advance, of which I’m going to show one per age, as usual:
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As a Tier 1 country, France has a proper number of Dynamic Historical Events:
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Here you have some of them:
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This event will start an event chain about the fate of Étienne Marcel, Provost of Paris…

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And this one another event chain about Bertrand du Guesclin.

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France may also suffer a unique disaster in the Age of Reformation, the French Wars of Religion:
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More actions and events will pop up after some time.​

It will also open this Reformation Edicts, a unique Law for France, as one of the means to resolve its disaster:
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And here are some more events for the late game:
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Another guy who will have his own event chain.

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… And much more, but that’s all for today! Next week we’ll have a Tinto Maps Feedback on Monday, a Tinto Talks on Wednesday, and Tinto Flavour on Friday:
  • Tinto Maps Feedback for South East Asia.
  • Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about Tonalism, the new Mesoamerican religious group.
  • Friday -> Tinto Flavour about the Aztecs.
And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!
 

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“subject can be annexed if they got”

What sort of English is this? It was bad enough when you switch to “vassalization”!
 
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PHV said:
I hope the war of religion is represented by a whole situation allowing the intervention from external powers, England played a very important role historically especially in the infamous siege of La Rochelle.
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I mean the siege of La Rochelle occured a bit after the end of the wars of religions... But true, I hope it is represented as well. It's true foreign powers intervened, but I was more thinking it was spain and Hollandia that supported the league and the Huguenots. Ofc in game it should be dynamic based on religion and strength of neighbours imo.
 
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I am reminded of Louis the whatever's finance minister...de Something. He built this chateau — Nicole and I saw it when we went to Paris — it even outshone Versails, where the king lived. In the end, Louis clapped him in irons.
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In case you're not joking, the name you're looking for is Fouquet, he was the surintendant of finance (basically proto economy minister) and the castle was Vaux le Vicomte. After he gave a lavish feast to which the king (who was none other than Louis XIV) was invited, and thought the castle of his minister was more beautiful than his and this needed corrections. Which he did by imprisoning the minister and replacing him with Colbert (under charges of corruption iirc), AND building Versailles. I hope this can be represented in game indeed. Both could be characters, and the choice of the king could have various effects on the degree of absolutism France is going for. A sentence resuming the situation of that feast that I love is :

" Le 17 août, à 6 heures du soir, Fouquet était le roi de France ; à 2 heures du matin, il n'était plus rien"

A common myth is that he was the prisonner with an iron mask, but tbh that is mainly speculation. Since that man was a mystery he was a source of a lot of speculations and myths.
 
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titan.bevel said:
I mean the siege of La Rochelle occured a bit after the end of the wars of religions... But true, I hope it is represented as well. It's true foreign powers intervened, but I was more thinking it was spain and Hollandia that supported the league and the Huguenots. Ofc in game it should be dynamic based on religion and strength of neighbours imo.
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Regarding the disaster or situation I think a disaster with foreign interventions fits better, unless we consider the huguenots and league as full tags, and then it becomes a struggle for power between various tags, which would warrant a situation. Maybe a disaster that as soon as it triggers becomes a situation may make sense then, indeed.
 
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Why are the English descriptions for the events so poorly written?
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Take this description of Cardinal Richelieu and his historical prominence, for instance. It is written in such a way that feels unnatural. Cardinal du Plessis' name does not need to be mentioned four times in one paragraph. It should instead be he/his after the initial mention of his name.

This is especially poor English. "Dr. Armand's court as a minister and close advisor to the King..." - if it were trying to use court in the sense of how a noble might hold a court a better phrasing would be "He holds court as a minister and close advisor to the King..." If it were not then it should be something like "He holds the position of a minister and close advisor to the King..."

Again, awkward. It should surely be along the lines of: "he has socred major domestic victories that have seen the weakening of the political privileges of the nobility." This just flows better.

This makes no sense as a sentence. Firstly, the Cardinal Richelieu's status as minister has already been established so there is no reason to mention it again. Secondly, "Dr. Armand is seeking to expand the influence of France further welcomes his influence." Is just a nonsense sentence. Who further welcomes his influence..?

Would work fine.

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This is poorly written. There's no genitive and you probably don't need to use his full name here. You've already given his full name in the event descriptor and how he is commonly known in the event title. You could have simply written "Cardinal Richelieu's influence may prove useful in the times to come."
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This is... sort of just gibberish.

Seeking to demonstrate what? And overall it would be better written along the lines of "Seeking to demonstrate French magnificence, we have laid down the foundations for the creation of a great palace."

The dynasty part kind of makes it harder to see the problem, so let's assume the Valois dynasty is ruling:

It doesn't make much sense, does it? For what they were going for, it would be better to write it instead as:

This would then read as:

There's some tweaking to be done still, but this would read more naturally.


I have to ask if some of these events are written by AI or are outsourced. I understand that Paradox Interactive is a Swedish company, but previous games were written with correct English. I also understand that the game is still under development, but these are very elementary mistakes and certain event descriptors make little sense. If many of the events are written with this level of English then how many will be missed during QA and so be shipped with the final product?
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Inexperienced human translators or non-native writers under pressure will make the exact same mistake. In fact, AI can be a powerful tool — when used responsibly.
 
Someone mentioned it but I don't find the post again, if we use "Noblesse" and "Bourgeoisie", "Commoners" should be "Petit Peuple"

And on top, "Clergy" should be "Clergé"

PS: and of course "Crown"->"Couronne" so we don't have a language mix anymore
 
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  • I am having issues squaring the 'no Heir' annexation Rule with the entirety of the Annexation Rules. Does this mean...
    • Do I need to still follow the annexation rules if the 'no heir' rule triggers?
    • Can you annex an appanage in the normal way providing you follow the 'annexation rules'?
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Pavía said:
The ruler is John, son of King Philip VI, as he was bestowed with that title in 1332, along with Normandy and Maine; all these 3 territories are subjects (appanages) of France.
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If that is John II, his heir, will those territories be integrated into France upon his ascension to the throne?
 
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Can we make France go on a crusade again and have advances that correspond to the crusading legacy? As in, what if France did not go colonising Africa and the New World, they doubled their efforts on crusading instead?
 
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Pavía said:
It's a unique feature. Maybe in the future we can take a look at adding something similar for Georgia. ;)
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I assume you have also seen this other forum thread about appanages. 100 years flavour start promising but I feel there is something missing about Burgundy. I know tou don't want to railroad it too much, but it will be difficult to balance the region without something like the prince du Sang (Burgundy, Orleans, Berry....) taking advantage of the war. Besides the international situation, the narrative options another user proposed in that thread may solve part of the issue IMHO.
 
Why is Richelieu having the Dr prefix? He was an évêque. Not a doctor?
 
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Could we play as a released vassal or appanage (like Poitou, Champagne or Toulouse) and have the same diplomatic interactions as other french vassals (Particularly during the Hundred Years War) ?
 
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How fast does France generally tend to centralize? From previews it seemed to me like they integrate all their largest vassals within a couple decades of game start and never release any Appendages, which seems very odd since historically France didn't meaningfully centralize until after the 100 years war, so mid-15th century, and undermines the HYW's focus on French vassals being generally treacherous and switching between England and France frequently.
 
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