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Well i don't want any more exotic nations out in the east, clearly that didn't work well in Uni I. So it'll either be Persia or Mameluks.

We may have many players interested at the moment, but as we have seen to many times before, a few players drop during the campaign and it is pretty hard to get new players. So i prefer having a few players extra that can take over as subs or perms if we need it.
 
If there are at least 4 human nations in far east it might work, but I bet we will not have so many people there.
 
Wari Bana said:
we could all play eastern nations...
if there's four eastern nations, i suggest having an Indonesian Java-based maritime power, they're always fun in SG, if properly boosted with conqui's & explorers and a decent tech group.
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Aladar pretty obviously said no. And it's called Europa Universalis after all.

Aladar, what about my rule questions?
 
Mats_SX said:
But they will still be isolated from the rest of Europe. Might as well become another Hyderabad, albeit not as powerful. We want players to interact with eachother. What nations would conflict/cooperate with Persia? What nations would conflict/cooperate with Mamluks? I think the latter has more.
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actually i'm sure persia could be more powerful as hyderabad was tbh
considering persia doesn't have 100years of events at the start to slow it down, has more cores, has better cultures probaly has better morale so can annex ai easyer
 
admiral drake said:
actually i'm sure persia could be more powerful as hyderabad was tbh
considering persia doesn't have 100years of events at the start to slow it down, has more cores, has better cultures probaly has better morale so can annex ai easyer
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But as PJL pointed out, they are Shiite, and the number of Shiite provinces is vastly inferior to the number of Hindi provinces => slower economic growth from conquering. Cultures and cores are less valuable since they are dynamic. They are also bound to fight wars with the OE, something Hyderabad did not have to do. No, I think Persia would not become another Hyderabad.

But I am still in favour of Mamluks.
 
However, Persia gets the political fragmentation events through the game so whatever favour it gets from being left alone does come back and bit it in teh ass. And it have leaders/monarchs through the game so it's a better nation since it doesn't need to be edited as much.
 
I'm for mameluks, I have some arguments backing it up but I'm too lazy to write them down
 
so we take 'em both? Persia and Mamluks and OE in the East.
The other 5-7 in Europe. (I'm not aware if anything has been decided about Eastern Nations)
So this game happens on a modded WATK, right? Is it the version with the cultural fragmentation (4 cultures in germany, 3 in France etc.) or the other ?
 
admiral drake said:
actually i'm sure persia could be more powerful as hyderabad was tbh
considering persia doesn't have 100years of events at the start to slow it down, has more cores, has better cultures probaly has better morale so can annex ai easyer
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Persia would have to worry about OE a lot more...
 
Wari Bana said:
btw, with how many can we play this maximum? 17! people have shown their interest so far: that would be super!:cool:
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17 people means lot's of them not being ontime, and pain in the ass if you are looking for subs. Add connection issues and possible lag from the amount of players.

Mix these up and voila, you got a bad game.

Also, wouldn't Persia and Mameluks would just band together and bang the OE?
 
bluelotus said:
17 people means lot's of them not being ontime, and pain in the ass if you are looking for subs. Add connection issues and possible lag from the amount of players.

Mix these up and voila, you got a bad game.

Also, wouldn't Persia and Mameluks would just band together and bang the OE?
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Indeed. The max limit I think would be 12 perms, but that would only be possible if there are a couple of "permanent subs" that are available most sessions to sub the people who are late/can't make it.
 
well i'm intrested if the game isn't on wednesday or thursday
preference
austria
bb (if no poland)

this time i'm not adding anything else just to be sure i'm not stuck in mamlucks or persia :p

and i'm only intrested if we play with locked land slider tbh
 
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i reckon the course to take in mamlucks vs persia is the following

offlimit persian culture or put a cap on where anybody can expand in asia with a connection to his capitol

make north africa european this results in
1 mamlucks can recruit mercs like anybody else
2 everybody can fight over north africa without having to add straits
3 mamlucks won't gain benefit from colonise that are not connected to his capitol in terms of manpower & navalsupport

now the advantage of this mostly is 3, it will make mamlucks have great potential as it already has, but will be kept in chek better then ottos is now in uni 1

the other advantage of having a mamlucks and no persia is if it ends up allyng ottos or becoming uber people are in range to do something about it unlike persia where 2 people can reach it only
 
Well, with just looking at the OE in the WATKgame I still see a need for some sort of bumper in the east of OE. It just keeps diploannexing and can cut of Russia too apparently.
 
Monkii-sama said:
Well, with just looking at the OE in the WATKgame I still see a need for some sort of bumper in the east of OE. It just keeps diploannexing and can cut of Russia too apparently.
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alot of games used to have a simple rule to prevent that tbh
persian provs offlimits

just do that again and add some border so russia can't do the same thing(that way you also prevent that ottos go trough russia to get acces)
 
wel, in the WATKABAOI game we had a 1337 start, that + annexing Constantinople, gaining orthodox culture gave OE a sunni freeway halfway through Asia before the Russians even formed. I guess in WATKABAOI Byzantium should be offlimits until 1450, but that's another matter.
 
admiral drake said:
make north africa european this results in
1 mamlucks can recruit mercs like anybody else
2 everybody can fight over north africa without having to add straits
3 mamlucks won't gain benefit from colonise that are not connected to his capitol in terms of manpower & navalsupport

now the advantage of this mostly is 3, it will make mamlucks have great potential as it already has, but will be kept in chek better then ottos is now in uni 1

the other advantage of having a mamlucks and no persia is if it ends up allyng ottos or becoming uber people are in range to do something about it unlike persia where 2 people can reach it only
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about .2, won't Mamluks take and hold that quite easily?
 
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