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Anyway - as mentioned earlier, I am convinced that AOK and EUROO7 were packmates as of the below reasons that I took EUROO7 down:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9567015&postcount=242

Furthermore AOK's continuation of trying to save EUROO7 until the deadline.

The refusal of the wolves to join the bandwagon on AOK would also strenghten my case.

If that is not enough I did keep an very close eye on AOK yesterday and he did PM someone at times in this game, which can be proven by the PM I sent to punkbob. Though this means that he is either in the JL or a werewolf, the latter most likely.

I also sent this PM to punkbob:
Skarion said:
As you were the last to join the EUROO7 bandwagon I guess you are the least likely werewolf.

AOK is PMing lots and messing about with his earlier posts.

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Either he is a werewolf or a part of the JL.

If I die today and of some strange reason AOK survives, plz post this PM.
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Though as punkbob has read the PM, been reading through the game since deadline and not responded I am not considering him safe enough to keep it as it is and therefor I posted this PM here.

To not vote for AOK would be bloody crazy. I could probably line up 4-6 more arguments if I had the time and wished to do so.


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As that is concluded I will inform you that I won't be online at deadline. If I have not posted a vote before 4 PM tommorow GMT+1 I hope the GM can find a temporary sub that can for me that day.

I will most likely not be able to come online on sunday so TT has promised to play as me and make my vote on sunday.

Ill will be back (if I am still alive) to play on monday.

If I have the time Ill post an analysis with the most likely two remaining wolves later.
 
unvote teep,
vote AOK. 11

A bit meta reason to check their activity, but I guess we should check it out.
 
From what I can see, to vote AOK. 11 is the best option available.
 
Geez. Has my reputation died so much that you think I would pull such a stunt? Well, I give Euro credit for one thing. He may bring me down with him.

I would advise the Seer to scan me. We all know it will happen. In addition, the progress of werewolf zombieism is worse than I thought. To conclude that someone, AOK no less, is a baddie because he is PMing is pathetic to the extreme.

I have always PMed and will continue to do so. Working the PM box is one of my favorite parts of the game. When I get home I can drag out my PM log of past games and show you the extent to which I do PM every game no matter the role. Taking that as a sign of anything on my part is incredibly idiotic. In addition, Skarion, your reasoning is pathetic. You claim that PMing is a sign of baddieness. Then you prove that I was enguaged in the treacherous practice of PMing....by quoting one of your own PMs. You thus clearly showed that you yourself were doing the same thing. Do you see the problem with that? :rofl:

Skarion said:
AOK EVIL! HE DID PM! ONNLEEE BADDIEES PMM! I HAVE PROOF HE WAS PMING!!! MY PROOF IS MY OWN PM!!
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Reminds me of a story my Dad told me. It was about someone who testified that he witnessed a robbery..... at the same time he was trying to steal a car. Utterly brilliant. Anyway, I will post my thoughts soon. Again, look at my history. I will cite game numbers if you like. It is not necessary to make this mistake to be reminded of how I play. Look for yourselves.
 
AOK. 11 said:
Geez. Has my reputation died so much that you think I would pull such a stunt?
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Classic veteran argumentation, TT did the same thing when I accused him of being a wolf.
 
Well Skarion is as close a goodie as we get after yesterday. And I see his arguments and I think we should try it out. On the other hand this is AOK and it's his 1st game since a long time and we don't want to spook him now do we?:p

tough choice... just curious does anyone checked who was online during the last minutes yesterday?

I think we should go for either HJ Tulp who nearly saved EURO on the last minute or one of the people who ware online but did nothing...

edit: I think we should scan aok :) <nod>
 
Ok, so we've got a few votes on AOK - fair enough - but as some of the "evidence" involves Punkbob I would really like to see his thoughts.

Did anyone else notice AOK's baddie tell? ;)
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AOK - 4
Skarion [294], Byakhiam [Teep 320 > 322], Mr. G [323], Lalalilo [324]

sbr - 2
Teep [313], Lemeard [319]

Lalalilo - 1
Heimdall [315]


Not voted: Punkbob, Jonti, Steed, hdk, AOK, HJT and sbr [Skarion 295 > unv 306]
 
Heimdall said:
Judging from the lack of activity, maybe the top candidates include a baddie, or what do you think?
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VOTE HEIMDALL

Theory:

That comment was just too weird. I think he knew Euro was a baddie and made that comment to make himself look smart in case Euro was lynched. Also, he made a showcase vote against Euro early, but switched as soon as he had the chance. My push against him was not as sucessful as I had anticipated, probably because some of the people watching were his packmates.

Mr. G said:
Classic veteran argumentation, TT did the same thing when I accused him of being a wolf.
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Of course he did. He is a good player. It is still a valid argument, even if it turned out to be a wolf smokescreen in that instance.

Skarion said:
AOK, you just said you weren't part of the JL and didn't explain your PM.

You are a werewolf. Please vote AOK ppl.
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I was talking to sbr. I was feeling him out as I found some of his posts strange. Nothing more. Also, Skarion, if you do get me lynched, I hope you learn your lesson from it. There will be alot for you to take note of. You did good yesterday, but lynching me today will be a terrible relapse into your tendency to be a rather catastrophic villager.

Heimdall is the best name today. If I die, there will be much information to be gained. If that is the case, do not take it out on Skarion. He is just being a useful idiot for the wolves as he tends to be sometimes. Watch those who quickly bandwagoned me. Make them explain themselves. Hold them accountable tomorrow if I go to the gallows.
 
AOK. 11 said:
Post a theory as to what exactly you believe as Skarion and I have. Then try and get some votes.
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Really? Is that how we play this game.... who would have known :p

It's simple really he broke the tie in favor of humancalc really late.
He nearly saved EURO.
 
AOK. 11 said:
VOTE HEIMDALL

Theory:

That comment was just too weird. I think he knew Euro was a baddie and made that comment to make himself look smart in case Euro was lynched.
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Hm, let's see. I was quite right, was I not?

AOK. 11 said:
Also, he made a showcase vote against Euro early, but switched as soon as he had the chance. My push against him was not as sucessful as I had anticipated, probably because some of the people watching were his packmates.
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I also made a vote against you, jonti and Skarion so that part of the argument is lacking.

Also, do you think it is wise to let a bandwagon proceed unchallanged on the first day?

the_hdk said:
Maybe I missed something but does nobody think Tulps vote yesterday was strange as in he tried to save euro strange? no nobody? :p
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Could you please point us to it?

There were also others who did similar things...
 
Vote sbr

I don't have a great amount of time to spend on this, but when ever Teep votes on someone it raises my suspicions. I also like bringing in a 2nd candidate for contention besides AOK and that's who it happens to be.
 
the_hdk said:
Really? Is that how we play this game.... who would have known :p

It's simple really he broke the tie in favor of humancalc really late.
He nearly saved EURO.
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He did it as AOK told him to. He is a likely wolf (and was also PMing yesterday though I dont take it as any evidence as he was PMing while watching OT while AOK was PMing while he was watching this thread). Though AOK is a definite werewolf.

but lynching me today will be a terrible relapse into your tendency to be a rather catastrophic villager.
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:confused:

I always catch wolves (except 1 game there I played 10 minutes each day until I finally resigned as of time restraints).

Sometimes I have strange arguments as to get reactions, though I usualy at the end switch to take the wolf down.

Sure, I get lynched/eaten a lot, though seldom I as a villager is to blame.
 
Further thoughts:

I now think Teep, Skarion, and sbr are likely innocent. Byak also looks possibly innocent but he could have made that vote for Euro on purpose to throw us off. He is certainly capable of that. I guess Teep could have also been coldhearted and followed suit, but I doubt it, as it was unecessary at that point.

I think Lala is a possible wolf as well. Cap voted him, and died shortly thereafter. If Heimdall is indeed a wolf, Lala is the next target I think. Heim's votes for Lala are textbook showcase votes and are meaningless. Lala's immediate willingness to bandwagon me is also suspicious, or will be if I am lynched and found innocent.

Heimdall said:
Hm, let's see. I was quite right, was I not?
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Yes, and thats the point. There was nothing at all to indicate that a baddie was one of the vote leaders, I have been playing this game a very long time and there was no way to tell that at that point. Yesterday unfolded just as most first days do. A few main candidates get bandwagoned at the same time as there are alot of meaningless throwaway votes on third parties. You never explained yourself as to what exactly led you to believe a baddie was among the vote leaders. Yes, you were right. However, I think it is much more likely that you knew that there was a wolf among the leaders because he was your packmate.
 
Teep said:
My hunch was that EURO was evil, or at least very devious and he was to be my first day vote no matter what anyway. And no I did not vote on my packmate as I am not in the pack. Anyway I am still analysing but I will place a placeholder on sbr for thinking I am a wolf.
Vote sbr
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I never even voted for you, just asked a question. Are you always this defensive? :wacko:
Byakhiam said:
Vote Teep

Who's probably evil.
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Byakhiam said:
unvote teep,
vote AOK. 11

A bit meta reason to check their activity, but I guess we should check it out.
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That didn't take much convincing did it?
punkbob said:
Vote sbr

I don't have a great amount of time to spend on this, but when ever Teep votes on someone it raises my suspicions. I also like bringing in a 2nd candidate for contention besides AOK and that's who it happens to be.
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Why?

This is to everything in this post. Why sign up if you don't have the time to play properly? Why does Teep voting on someone raise your suspicions? Everyone in a game has to vote for someone every day, does Teep have some crazy wolf sensing ability I am not aware of or are you just half-0assing this, or trying to hide and blame things on others?
 
AOK. 11 said:
Further thoughts:

I now think Teep, Skarion, and sbr are likely innocent. Byak also looks possibly innocent but he could have made that vote for Euro on purpose to throw us off. He is certainly capable of that. I guess Teep could have also been coldhearted and followed suit, but I doubt it, as it was unecessary at that point.
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Skarion: Obvious
sbr: OK by me, not sure of your reasoning though :)
Teep and Byak: I don't think their votes on Euro clear them, maybe move them down the pecking order a notch or two but no more than that. I doubt they are both wolves but one wouldn't shock me.

I think Lala is a possible wolf as well. Cap voted him, and died shortly thereafter. If Heimdall is indeed a wolf, Lala is the next target I think. Heim's votes for Lala are textbook showcase votes and are meaningless. Lala's immediate willingness to bandwagon me is also suspicious, or will be if I am lynched and found innocent.
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Possible but far from the best suspect. Anyone else find the hunt of Capibara odd? He just seems strange as a first night hunt.

Yes, and thats the point. There was nothing at all to indicate that a baddie was one of the vote leaders, I have been playing this game a very long time and there was no way to tell that at that point. Yesterday unfolded just as most first days do. A few main candidates get bandwagoned at the same time as there are alot of meaningless throwaway votes on third parties. You never explained yourself as to what exactly led you to believe a baddie was among the vote leaders. Yes, you were right. However, I think it is much more likely that you knew that there was a wolf among the leaders because he was your packmate.
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I prefer Teep as a suspect to Heimdall but at this point I don't think either of us can be too picky. :(

Vote Heimdall
 
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